History Fridge / Ben10UltimateAlien

* As Shocksquatch shows that the Ben 10/Generator Rex crossover is canon with the series, this means that Ben has nanites in his system. As they revealed he has a fresh batch of them in his body, this could mean Ben could go EVO in his world. Now...think about it; an Evo with the power of over 60 aliens making them into mindless monsters...without Rex there.

** Ben never did visit his future, otherwise Ben 10,000 would've remembered this adventure, which Ben himself points out. Plus, Future Max said that Gwen finally got her time spell working. It's very possible that Future Gwen made a mistake in her spell since this is her first time using it. So instead of going backwards in her own timeline, she went backwards in our Ben's timeline. And considering what happened in what happened when Gwen time-traveled in Time Heals, Future Gwen would've created a bad timeline.

* Vilgax feigned weakness to make the Dagon think he wasn't worth his time. The Dagon knew that Sir George was a threat ||and killed him relatively quickly.|| Vilgax also needed to stall for time to make sure Psyphon could arrive with his machine. Vilgax was more than capable of destroying the seal, but it would be an exceptionally dumb idea to free the Dagon without being prepared to absorb his power. Vilgax even berates Psyphon's truancy, stating that he "took his time."

* WordOfGod has Ben having regained Heatblast and Ripjaws by scanning Alan and natives of Pisciss[[labelnote:note]] this troper believes he's seen some Word of God implying the same with Four Arms and Manny, but can't find it again[[/labelnote]], so one may wonder why he never scanned Helen to regain a Kineceleran/XLR8 transformation. Simply put, imagine Ben trying to tell a girl he 'needs to scan her genetic material so he can transform into her species'. There are many ways that can be phrased ''badly'' by mistake.
** Why didn't he ever scan a Galvan despite running into Azmuth and co a lot? A few reasons: the Ultimatrix had enough glitches that he could also scan Azmuth's oldness, he may not see the form as one he necessary ''wants'' to have again being one of his least favorites as a kid, he might not want to let Albedo easily access his real form, he might see it as necessary between Brainstorm's more combat-effective super intelligence and Nanomech's smaller size alongside flight and stinging making the form somewhat obsolete, and with the Ultimatrix mistransforming again he probably didn't want another 'dud' form he could accidentally become.

** And then, [[spoiler: Ben happily turns into the alien's species while announcing the name Overkill, to the dismay of everyone present]]. TooSoon, indeed. Though Ben, being Ben, was probably just trying to lighten the mood.

* WordOfGod has Ben having regained Heatblast and Ripjaws by scanning Alan and natives of Pisciss[[labelnote:why]] this troper believes he's seen some Word of God implying the same with Four Arms and Manny, but can't find it again[[/labelnote]], so one may wonder why he never scanned Helen to regain {{XLR8}}. Simply put, imagine Ben trying to tell a girl he 'needs to scan her genetic material so he can transform into her species'. There are many ways that can be phrased ''badly'' by mistake.

* In "Fused," Ben is having nightmares. When lightning strikes and thunder rolls, he tries to calm himself down. Perhaps he is having nightmares of the "[=DNAliens=]" and how their disguises were ruined when lightning struck shown in the episode "Max Out" of Alien Force?

* In "Fused," Ben is having nightmares. When lightning strikes and thunder rolls, he tries to calm himself down. Perhaps he is having nightmares of the "DNAliens" and how their disguises were ruined when lightning struck shown in the episode "Max Out" of Alien Force?

* In "Fused," Ben is having nightmares. When lightning strikes and thunder rolls, he tries to calm himself down. Perhaps he is having nightmares of the DNAliens and how their disguises were ruined when lightning struck shown in the episode "Max Out" of Alien Force?

* In "Prisoner 775 Is Missing", we discover Colonel Rozum has been keeping aliens imprisoned for decades in horrible conditions, many for likely no good reason. The one we see has been driven insane and is ''suicidal'' [[spoiler:[[TearJerker to the point he breaks down and begs Ben to kill him]]]]. It's terrible to imagine what the other prisoners have gone through in that hell hole. Ben even describes the conditions in the prison as "inhuman" (Rozum's response is [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman it's because they're not human]]).

* In "The Ultimate Enemy, part 1", Dagon turns the entire population of Earth, save the heroes and Julie (who was protected by Ship's PoweredArmor) into Esoterica soldiers. Given that they all look male, 3+ billion people just got subjected to involutary GenderBender on top of everything else.

* In-verse, the reason each alien Ben turns into announces its name, is the Ultimatrix loading the file for the DNA sample. Ben isn't doing the announcing himself, as evidenced by his surprise when he hears the name of the alien he got.

* I was fine with her changing sides, to make it as if she atoned. However, [[spoiler: Charmcaster]]'s HeelFaceTurn is also believable in that she was distracted by her goal to [[spoiler: reclaim her home dimension from an EvilSorcerer (not Hex, but Ledgerdomain)]]. Not convinced? She initially appeared [[spoiler: with her uncle Hex, trying to reactivate magical charms that bestowed power to those who wielded them]]; the next time she appeared, [[spoiler: she tried to take Ben's Omnitrix]]; finally, [[spoiler: she seduced Kevin to her side and attempted to take Gwen's mana for herself]]. The means to those three goals? She was trying to get strong enough to [[spoiler: face her home's usurper]], and would do anything to do it, regardless of rules. However, after her second appearance, her animosity towards [[spoiler: Ben and (especially) Gwen]] had grown to the point that she lost sight of her true goal and [[spoiler: teamed up with the Tennyson team's RoguesGallery (twice) to get back at them]]. Mr. Creator/DwayneMcDuffie has [[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague once again]] proven his great skill in ArcWelding. - Tropers/MetalShadowX

** The main problem with that is that Alien X is locked. If he didn't get any of its powers, it's unlikely he got it's mental issues. How is he even moving if he did?
** Not the OP, but Alien X ''was'' unlocked at the beginning of the episode where Kevin absorbs the Ultimatrix. It may have been re-locked when Paradox turned Ben back to normal, but it wasn't explicitly shown or stated. Besides, getting its mental issues likely ''came'' with the powers, and that's why he isn't shown to use any; Serena and Bellicus are blocking him. But since he isn't ''just'' Alien X, but has DNA from all the other Ultimatrix aliens, which explains why he's still capable of movement.
*** Okay, not citing when and why he was unlocked and giving a horrible explanation for why he's moving. Alien X is the only alien that has a direct effect on Ben's actions. If he would inherit anything from it it would those two personalities always warring with each other. Let's just go with the canon explanation of absorbing energy driving Osmosians insane kay? I'm willing to motion that Alien X simply chose not to be absorbed.
*** Per WordOfGod, Alien X was re-locked in the same episode. So no Alien X absorption.
* Ben 10,000's Ultimate Human form can use the powers of any of his aliens while still in human form. Humans are shown to pretty much be able to crossbreed with a large number of other species of aliens, so the power of Ultimate Human is to combine with the aliens in the Ultimatrix.
** And speaking of that same episode, we finally get a good explaination as to how non-canon stuff like the original series what-if episode "Gwen 10" and the first live-action movie "Race Against Time" fit in the Ben 10 canon via the Multiverse theory; this also Josses the original series Ben 10,000 episodes as being Ben's canon future.
** Another thing from the same episode. Eon was revealed to be [[spoiler:an AU Ben 10,000 gone bad. In ''Race Against Time'', he was an old man who looked nothing like Ben and had a different motivation. This makes sense when you remember his plan involved turning Ben into an Eon clone and he's been moving across the multiverse for awhile. It's easy to imagine that Eon tried again in an AU universe and succeeded, then his victim was this Eon. As for Paradox considering this Eon the same? Simple, Eon considered the Ben version himself, even saying so.]]
* Ben 10,000's Ultimate form can use the powers of any of his aliens while still in human form. It's referred to as Ultimate Ben not Ultimate human, and it's said that the ultimate forms are created through war simulation. So if Ben where to go through a long war, he would eventually figure out how to use the powers on his own which is why Ultimate Ben 10000 can
** Two things. First of all, Ben makes up his aliens' names, he doesn't use their species names. Thus, Ultimate Humungousaur is derived from a Vaxasaurian, Ultimate Cannonbolt from an Arcturan Pelarota, etc., and Ultimate Ben is indeed Ultimate human. Secondly, the war simulations are in the 1,000,000+ years range. So unless Ben's immortal, it's basically saying that, after a one-million-year species-wide civil war, humanity would evolve into something like Vilgax's MechaMooks from the WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce series finale. - Classified
* This also doubles as FridgeHorror but in "Prisoner 775 Is Missing", the title character [[spoiler: has Colonel Rozem at pretty much knife point and yet lets Ultimate Wildmutt charge right at him without so much a threat. This seems like just stupidity, but then the moment Ultimate Wildmutt has him pinned down, he begs him to kill him. It suddenly becomes apparent that 775 was attempting SuicideByCop...]]
* At first, [[spoiler:Kevin going from completely sane to AxCrazy just from absorbing energy for the first time in years]] doesn't quite make as much sense, but then you remember [[spoiler:he sucked Aggregor dry. Aggregor not only fully absorbed 5 aliens, but unlike Kevin had absolutely no qualms about absorbing energy. Since for their race energy = insanity, absorbing all the energy Aggregor already had on top of Ben's aliens drove Kevin completely insane almost instantly.]]
** On top of it, Darkstar describes his [[spoiler:and Kevin's]] hunger for energy like an addiction. [[spoiler:Kevin hadn't absorbed energy for five years. When he absorbed it again for the first time, he had a relapse into his addiction. This also explains why he went full blown [[Series/{{Heroes}} Sylar]] this time. A relapse into an addiction often ends up being much worse than the original addition.]]

* After thinking over what happens in "The Forge of Creation", I had a moment of Fridge Brilliance regarding something Paradox said to Ben in Alien Force: "You're much smarter now than when I first met you later". It sounds like a simple example of TimeTravelTenseTrouble, but Forge of Creation actually makes sense of it! Ben would have first met Paradox in "The Forge of Creation", back when he was ten years old and temporarily displaced in time. That explains why Paradox said Ben was smarter than he was later on... he was referring to the displaced ten-year-old Ben!

* In 'Fused' Ben is having nightmares. When a lightning strikes and thunder rolls he tries to calm himself down. Perhaps he is having nightmares of the DNAliens and how their disguises were ruined when lightning struck shown in the episode 'Max Out' of Alien Force?
* Ultimate Big Chill and Cannonbolt not changing much from their base forms has some reason behind it. Big Chill's species reproduced asexually, which has a lot less change between generations than sexual reproduction. This means that it takes a lot longer to have anything change between them. Cannonbolt meanwhile had his genetic population undergo a genetic bottleneck via their near extinction. There probably just isn't as much DNA around to make radical changes (the latter one is a bit less concrete than Big Chill, O.P admits).
** Ultimate Big Chill also has biology against him in this regard: due to the way he reproduces, his DNA simulation has a fixed number of time it is able to reproduce per the canonical 'once in eighty years breeding cycle', that being 12,500 times. This is very likely a lot fewer times than most other alien species are able to reproduce and thus pass on more battle ready traits and changes.
** The reason Echo Echo changed so much compared to most of the Ultimates is a side effect of duplication: Echo Echo has a lot more number on his side and thus can reproduce faster and thus the million odd years of simulated battle evolution moves at a much more rapid pace for him than it does most of the other aliens.

* Why is Ultimate Ben 10,000 so much laxer than the other Ben 10,000's seen? Simple, per the analysis of Ultimate Alien it is all in the name of taking steps away from Knight Templar behavior. He never got the new Omnitrix, so he had to take steps from becoming like the original Ben 10,000, or worse. Hence the persona he keeps up.

** Nanomech was scanned from the nanochips in Alien Swarm, which infected millions before being defeated the first time. Kevin at this point was basically infected and they didn't have a simple queen to go beat up to free him. The sickness needed to be contained this time, i.e killing Kevin.
** Way Big's species stands guard at the edge of the galaxy from threats from beyond. Kevin was a threat beyond their means to contain, it could only be stopped. Way Big is also one of Ben's more serious aliens for serious threats, like Kevin at this point. Also note that Way Big did not shout his name when he came out, further heightening just how serious Ben was at the time.
* You can probably infer some idea of the reason the simulated evolution for an Ultimate went the way it did by asking what the form adds or takes away specifically.

** Swampfire, while on top of stronger flames, also gains a harder body. It was probably better over time to be harder to hurt than just regenerating off the damage taken as in regular Swampfire.

* In "Prisoner 775 Is Missing", we discover Colonel Rozum has been keeping aliens imprisoned for decades in horrible conditions, many for likely no good reason. The one we see has been driven insane and is ''suicidal'' [[spoiler:[[TearJerker to the point he breaks down and begs Ben to kill him]]]]. It's terrible to imagine what the other prisoners have gone through in the hell hole. Ben even describes the conditions in the prison as "inhuman" (Rosem's response is [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman its because they're not human]]).
** And then [[spoiler: Ben happily turns into the alien's species while announcing the name Overkill to the dismay of of everyone present]]. TooSoon, indeed. Though Ben, being Ben, was probably just trying to lighten the mood.
* At the end of the aforementioned episode, [[spoiler:775 attempts SuicideByCop and having Ben kill him. Ben doesn't kill him, but 775's last seen being taken by the Plumbers. This kicks in when one realizes nothing happened to change 775's mind that he has nothing left to live for and is openly suicidal...]]

** Speaking of Dagon, anyone who's read H.P Lovecraft should know that Dagon is a pretty minor figure, not even on the same level as the Great Old Ones. If the Dagon [[AdaptationalBadass of Ben 10 is this dangerous]], then how bad is the WesternAnimation/Ben10 version of ''Cthulhu?'' Or worse, '''YOG-SOTHOTH?!'''

* In ''Ben 10,000 Returns,'' [[spoiler:it's shown that the 2nd Eon has kidnapped and brainwashed dozens and dozens of alternate Benjamins.]] Now think about what probably happened to their friends, families, and even enemies. Eon is probably responsible for the deaths of many, many people and broke countless more relationships apart. [[spoiler: Since this is the multiverse, this can apply to alternate versions of any of the canonical characters.]] There's probably 'verses where Ben is hitched with [[DatingCatwoman Charmcaster]] or even [[ScrewYourself Albedo]]. Destroying the [[spoiler: Hand of Armageddon]] returned them to their homes, but how many of the [[spoiler: Benjamins]] still have homes to go back to?
* As Shocksquach shows that the Ben 10/Generator Rex crossover is canon with the series, this means that Ben has nanites in his system. As they revealed he has a fresh batch of them in his body, what could this mean Ben could go EVO in his world. Now...think about it; an Evo with the power of over 50+ Aliens and making them into mindless monsters...without Rex there.