History DethroningMoment / Torchwood

* @/{{MrThorfan64}}: The story in ''Series/TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth'' about a Catholic Woman who committed suicide after she realised aliens existed and left a note saying "Science won." Are we still going upon this route that the Church hates science and they have always been at war? There are even Vatican officials who support looking for alien life and they even run a centre looking for this. At best, it's an absurd line by poor researchers; at worst, a piece of bigotry. And of course the line in ''Miracle Day'': "I used to be a Catholic. I got better." [[SarcasmMode Not at all bigotry!]] For more go [[http://thewhostorian.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/torchwood-children-of-mirth.html here]]. It's like that line in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E2TheEndOfTheWorld The End of the World]]" where we hear religion is banned in the future, which rather than showing they have OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions creates some very UnfortunateImplications. I get religion has encouraged some very intolerant things but that doesn't give the writers a right to be just as intolerant themselves.
** @/{{JadeEyes1}}: ''Children of Earth'' had so many poorly-written moments that it's hard to pick just one. I'm going to go with Gwen's line in Episode 3: "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet, and look away in shame." This is supposed to be the canon explanation for [[SupermanStaysOutOfGotham why the Doctor doesn't show up to intervene during the 456 crisis]]. Yes, we're supposed to believe that the same Doctor who routinely stands up for the marginalized and downtrodden -- who has such a soft spot for children that he has paused in his travels to assist a single, frightened, crying child -- would allow hundreds of children from low-income families to be sent to AFateWorseThanDeath, in order to punish the classist, morally bankrupt grown-ups running the government. (A government which, by the way, [[ContinuityNod wouldn't be in power in the first place]] if the Doctor hadn't ousted Harriet Jones from power and paved the way for [[TheMaster The Master]] to take over.) [[SarcasmMode Sure.]]

** @/{{JadeEyes1}}: ''Children of Earth'' had so many poorly-written moments that it's hard to pick just one. I'm going to go with Gwen's line in Episode 3: "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet, and look away in shame." This is supposed to be the canon explanation for [[SupermanStaysOutOfGotham why the Doctor doesn't show up to intervene during the 456 crisis]]. Yes, we're supposed to believe that the same Doctor who routinely stands up for the marginalized and downtrodden, who has such a soft spot for children that he has paused in his travels to assist a single, frightened, crying child, would allow hundreds of children from low-income families to be sent to AFateWorseThanDeath, in order to punish the classist, morally bankrupt grown-ups running the government. (A government that, by the way, [[ContinuityNod wouldn't be in power in the first place]] if the Doctor hadn't ousted Harriet Jones from power and paved the way for [[TheMaster The Master]] to take over.) [[SarcasmMode Sure.]]

** @/{{JadeEyes1}}: ''Children of Earth'' had so many poorly-written moments that it's hard to pick just one. I'm going to go with Gwen's line in Episode 3: "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet, and look away in shame." This is supposed to be the canon explanation for [[SupermanStaysOutOfGotham why the Doctor doesn't show up to intervene during the 456 crisis]]. Yes, we're supposed to believe that the same Doctor who routinely stands up for the marginalized and downtrodden -- and who has such a soft spot for children that he has paused in his travels to assist a single, frightened, crying child -- would allow hundreds of children from low-income families to be sent to AFateWorseThanDeath, in order to punish the classist, morally bankrupt grown-ups running the government. A government which, by the way, [[ContinuityNod wouldn't be in power in the first place]] if the Doctor hadn't ousted Harriet Jones from power and made way for [[TheMaster The Master]] to take over. [[SarcasmMode Sure.]]

** @/{{JadeEyes1}}: ''Children of Earth'' had so many poorly-written moments that it's hard to pick just one. I'm going to go with Gwen's line in Episode 3: "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet, and look away in shame." This is supposed to be the canon explanation [[SupermanStaysOutOfGotham for why the Doctor doesn't show up to intervene during the 456 crisis]]. Yes, we're supposed to believe that the same Doctor who routinely stands up for the marginalized and downtrodden -- who has such a soft spot for children that he has paused in his travels to assist a single, frightened, crying child -- would allow hundreds of children from low-income families to be sent to AFateWorseThanDeath in order to punish the classist, morally bankrupt grown-ups running the government. A government that, by the way, [[ContinuityNod wouldn't be in power in the first place]] if he hadn't ousted Harriet Jones from power and made way for [[TheMaster The Master]] to take over. [[SarcasmMode Sure.]]

** @/{{JadeEyes1}}: ''Children of Earth'' had so many poorly-written moments that it's hard to pick just one. I'm going to go with Gwen's line in Episode 3: "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet, and look away in shame." This is supposed to be the canon explanation [[SupermanStaysOutOfGotham for why the Doctor doesn't show up to intervene during the 456 crisis]]. Yes, we're supposed to believe that the same Doctor who routinely stands up for marginalized beings -- who has such a soft spot for children that he has paused in his travels to assist a single, frightened, crying child -- would allow hundreds of children from low-income families to be sent to AFateWorseThanDeath in order to punish the bigoted, classist grown-ups running the government. A government that [[ContinuityNod wouldn't be in power in the first place]] if he hadn't ousted Harriet Jones from power and made way for [[TheMaster The Master]]. [[SarcasmMode Sure.]]
* @/{{Murdock129}}: ''Series/TorchwoodMiracleDay''. ''Torchwood'' is set in the Franchise/{{Whoniverse}}; everything that happens in ''Torchwood'' is Canon in ''Doctor Who'' and vice versa. So we are supposed to believe that the entire human race went through this horrific stuff, at a point in time which the Doctor visits exceptionally frequently, [[SupermanStaysOutOfGotham and he never once got involved]] or tried to sort out the fact that no humans were dying at all, and in fact given how this is never brought up, it appears he didn't even realize it had happened. And at the same time, we're meant to believe that no alien races decided to invade in any capacity during this point, not to mention overarching situations such as the Silence being scattered around the planet during this period. ''Torchwood Miracle Day'' is an all right concept, but it simply cannot work in the canon of the ''Doctor Who'' universe, and not many things can truly say that, this is even worse than the Orgasm Monster from "Day One" in terms of Torchwood's DMOS

* @/{{MrThorfan64}}: The story in ''Series/TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth'' about a Catholic Woman who committed suicide after she realised aliens existed and left a note saying "Science won." Are we still going upon this route that the Church hates science and they have always been at war? There are even Vatican officials who support looking for alien life and they even run a centre looking for this. At best, it's an absurd line by poor researchers; at worst, a piece of bigotry. And of course the line in ''Miracle Day'': "I used to be a Catholic. I got better." [[SarcasmMode Not at all bigotry!]] For more go [[http://thewhostorian.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/torchwood-children-of-mirth.html here]]. It's like that line in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E2TheEndOfTheWorld The End of the World]]" where we hear religion is banned in the future, which rather then showing they have OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions creates some very UnfortunateImplications. I get religion has encouraged some very intolerant things but that doesn't give the writers a right to be just as intolerant themselves.
** @/{{JadeEyes1}}: ''Children of Earth'' had so many poorly-written moments that it's hard to pick just one. I'm going to go with Gwen's line in Episode 3: "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet, and look away in shame." This is supposed to be the canon explanation for why the Doctor doesn't show up to intervene during the 456 crisis. Yes, we're supposed to believe that the same Doctor who routinely stands up for marginalized beings -- who has such a soft spot for children that he has paused in his travels to assist a single, frightened, crying child -- would allow hundreds of children from low-income families to be sent to AFateWorseThanDeath in order to punish the bigoted, classist grown-ups running the government. A government that [[ContinuityNod wouldn't be in power in the first place]] if he hadn't ousted Harriet Jones from power and made way for [[TheMaster The Master]]. [[SarcasmMode Sure.]]