History DethroningMoment / Shortpacked

* Tropers/{{PrinnyRamza}} I have no problem with the transformers jokes or the rage against really weird fans because well [[SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped honestly...]] but when it was announced that the comic was coming to an end I was ready to see some character development. I mean he just introduced a whole new cast of characters, each of which at this point only had a short storyline which seemed to be the 'beginning' of their character development. Then he came out with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/comic/my-oath-to-you strip]] and immediate with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/comic/running-down-the-clock one]]. And guess what he wasted the last twenty strips [[LyingCreator with?]] Seriously if you wanted to end Shortpacked, you should have ended it with the wedding.

* Tropers/{{deeman45}}: David Willis' ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}'' has many, many problems. Many strips are out-and-out attacks against people Willis doesn't like: the StrawFan, the [[StrawCharacter Strawman Political]], the religious. But I still found many of his strips clever and funny. But [[http://www.shortpacked.com/2012/comic/book-14/03-totally-babies/equaltime/ this]] was really too much. The men's movement isn't about ignoring women's issues; nor does it concern making every conversation center around male problems. Intimidating women is right out. What especially irks me is that he has the douchebag-of-the-week talk about a real problem before setting him up as a whiny strawman. Apparently getting upset over being blamed for your own sexual assault is just a sign that you're a self-centered whiner.

* @/{{Jonn}}: It also contributes to the idea that men should go talk about men problems somewhere where women aren't talking about women problems, and that attempting to do so is necessarily trying to drown women out. The sad thing is that wasn't the last straw for me. That was [[http://www.shortpacked.com/2012/comic/book-14/03-totally-babies/imagine/ when he dismissed people who didn't understand his comics as "imaginary"]]. And the fans agree with him. As if he never could be wrong in premise, delivery, or both. [[http://www.shortpacked.com/2012/comic/book-14/03-totally-babies/treasury/ The very next day]], he seems to have a totally distorted view of the comic, much less the generally positive reaction to it. The comic in question wasn't about "justifying sexist attitudes", it was specifically about how people who don't understand or agree with Willis don't matter, as far as he's concerned. He literally said so. Which means that he doesn't actually care about convincing people or effecting change, just being "right". Unless he honestly thinks that anyone who doesn't understand or agree with him is actually sexist.

* Tropers/{{Leyviur}}: I wasn't a fan of the political stuff because my views of it were way more complicated than the boxes Willis kept hurling at me from beyond the pages, but it was [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=1556/ the infamous False Equivalence strip]] that broke the camel's back. In one fell swoop, Willis managed to a) make broad assumptions about the type of character men of all stripes identify with and revere, b) make broad assumptions about the type of character heterosexual women of all stripes are attracted to, and c) prove with points a and b that he doesn't give half a toss about equality, just being 'right.' As well, the comments section, where Willis would constantly delete comments that disagreed or gave criticism, no matter how constructive or polite while at the same time showering praise on fans and 'allies,' had become grossly hostile to anybody viewed as an 'outsider,' even if said outsiders had been there since the comics' inception. This hostility was largely fomented by Willis himself being a toxic person both in and out of his site.
* [=InTheGallbladder=]: [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2093 This one.]] I don't know what's worse: that he countered accusations of relying upon the strawman argument with a strawman argument, that it didn't promptly hit the cutting room floor the moment he realized he was recycling a premise, or that this was the premise he chose to recycle.

* Tropers/{{PrinnyRamza}} I have no problem with the transformers jokes or the rage against really weird fans because well [[SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped honestly...]] but when it was announced that the comic was coming to an end I was ready to see some character development. I mean he just introduced a whole new cast of characters, each of which at this point only had a short storyline which seemed to be the 'beginning' of their character development. Then he came out with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2171 strip]] and immediate with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2172 one]]. And guess what he wasted the last twenty strips [[LyingCreator with?]] Seriously if you wanted to end Shortpacked, you should have ended it with the wedding.

* Tropers/{{PrinnyRamza}} I have no problem with the transformers jokes or the rage against really weird fans because well [[SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped honestly...]] but when it was announced that the comic was coming to an end I was ready to see some character development. I mean he just introduced a whole new cast of characters, each of which at this point only had a short storyline which seemed to be the 'beginning' of their character development. Then he came out with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2171 strip]] and immediate with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2172 one]]. And guess what he wasted the last twenty strips [[LyingCreator with?]] Seriously if you wanted to end Shortpacked, you should have ended it with the wedding.

* DrGonzo: The opening of the final arc, with "Whitney McJority" complaining about diversity, and Leslie and Robin hiring more "brown people" (a term which is an issue in and of itself) out of spite. The whole thing reeked of Willis giving himself a pat on the back for having a (admittedly refreshing) diverse cast.

* Tropers/{{deeman45}}: David Willis' ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}'' has many, many problems. Many strips are out-and-out attacks against people Willis doesn't like: the StrawFan, the [[StrawCharacter Strawman Political]], the religious. But I still found many of his strips clever and funny. But [[http://www.shortpacked.com/2012/comic/book-14/03-totally-babies/equaltime/ this]] was really too much. The men's movement isn't about ignoring women's issues; nor does it concern making every conversation center around male problems. Intimidating women is right out. What especially irks me is that he has the douchebag-of-the-week talk about a real problem before setting him up as a whiny strawman. Apparently getting upset over [[DudeNotFunny being blamed for your own sexual assault]] is just a sign that you're a self-centered whiner.

* [=InTheGallbladder=]: [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2093 This one.]] I don't know what's worse: that he countered accusations of relying upon the strawman argument with a strawman argument,that it didn't promptly hit the cutting room floor the moment he realized he was recycling a premise, or that this was the premise he chose to recycle.

* [=InTheGallbladder=]: [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2093 This one.]] I don't know what's worse: that he countered accusations of relying upon the strawman argument with a strawman argument, or that it didn't promptly hit the cutting room floor the moment he realized he was recycling a premise.

* Tropers/{{deeman45}}: David Willis' ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}'' has many, many problems. Many strips are out-and-out attacks against people Willis doesn't like: the StrawFan, the [[StrawCharacter Strawman Political]], the religious. But I still found many of his strips clever and funny. But [[http://www.shortpacked.com/2012/comic/book-14/03-totally-babies/equaltime/ this]] was really too much. The men's movement isn't about ignoring women's issues; nor does it concern making every conversation center around male problems. Intimidating women is right out. What especially irks me is that he has the douchebag-of-the-week talk about a REAL problem before setting him up as a whiny strawman. Apparently getting upset over [[DudeNotFunny being blamed for your own sexual assault]] is just a sign that you're a self-centered whiner.

* DrGonzo: The opening of the final arc, with "Whitney McJority" complaining about diversity, and Leslie and Robin hiring more "brown people" (a term which is an issue in and of itself) out of spite. The whole thing REEKED of Willis giving himself a pat on the back for having a (admittedly refreshing) diverse cast.

* Tropers/{{PrinnyRamza}} I have no problem with the transformers jokes or the rage against really weird fans because well [[SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped honestly...]] but when it was announced that the comic was coming to an end I was ready to see some character development. I mean he just introduced a whole new cast of characters, each of which at this point only had a short storyline which seemed to be the 'beginning' of their character development. Then he came out with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2171 strip]] and immediate with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2172 one]]. And guess what he wasted the last twenty strips [[LyingCreator with?]] Seriously if you wanted to end Shortpacked, you should have ended it with the wedding.
* DeusDenuo: Hm. I'd like to say it's "the fans" that make the strip a little hard to read sometimes (three entries here sound like they're proud MRA dudes, for example), but no. I think Willis was trying to do too much with the Walkyverse, and the Dumbiverse should have come around years earlier. While he does a good job of creating a world with rules, the Walkyverse simply ran on for too long and for too wide to remain (outwardly) consistent to a new-ish reader. You had to do an ArchiveBinge (the trope image of which refers to the Walkyverse) to be fully caught up on how the world operated, which didn't fully mesh with the OriginalGeneration nature of the main cast. Plus, what character development there was tended to be as unsubtle as a Disneyland. Compare this to DumbingOfAge - new world, familiar characters, actually quite careful character development and subtle background info. He's managed to make his original work look terrible in comparison, and I'm willing to bet it's on purpose - GrowingTheBeard and rendering the Walkyverse into OldShame level stuff (regardless of how he actually feels about it) in the process.

* DeusDenuo: Hm. I'd like to say it's "the fans" that make the strip a little hard to read sometimes (at least three entries here sound like they're proud MRA dudes, and the rest are the whiniest of faceless critics who arm themselves with facts but not deeper understanding). I think Willis was trying to do too much with the Walkyverse, and the Dumbiverse should have come around years earlier. While he does a good job of creating a world with rules, the Walkyverse simply ran on for too long and for too wide to remain (outwardly) consistent to a new-ish reader. You had to do an ArchiveBinge (the trope image of which refers to the Walkyverse) to be fully caught up on how the world operated, which didn't fully mesh with the OriginalGeneration nature of the main cast. Plus, what character development there was tended to be as unsubtle as a Disneyland. Compare this to DumbingOfAge - new world, familiar characters, actually quite careful character development and subtle background info. He's managed to make his original work look terrible in comparison, and I'm willing to bet it's on purpose - GrowingTheBeard and rendering the Walkyverse an OldShame (regardless of how he actually feels about it) in the process.

* Tropers/{{PrinnyRamza}} I have no problem with the transformers jokes or the rage against really weird fans because well [[SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped honestly...]] but when it was announced that the comic was coming to an end I was ready to see some character development. I mean he just introduced a whole new cast of characters, each of which at this point only had a short storyline which seemed to be the 'beginning' of their character development. Then he came out with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2171 strip]] and immediate with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2172 one]]. And guess what he wasted the last twenty strips [[LyingCreator with?]] Seriously if you wanted to end Shortpacked, you should have ended it with the wedding.

* Tropers//{{PrinnyRamza}} I have no problem with the transformers jokes or the rage against really weird fans because well [[SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped honestly...]] but when it was announced that the comic was coming to an end I was ready to see some character development. I mean he just introduced a whole new cast of characters, each of which at this point only had a short storyline which seemed to be the 'beginning' of their character development. Then he came out with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2171 strip]] and immediate with this [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2172 one]]. And guess what he wasted the last twenty strips [[LyingCreator with?]] Seriously if you wanted to end Shortpacked, you should have ended it with the wedding.

* DrGonzo: The opening of the final arc, with "Whitney McJority" complaining about diversity, and Leslie and Robin hiring more "brown people" (a term which is an issue in and of itself) out of spite. The whole thing REEKED of Willis giving himself a pat on the back for having a (admittedly refreshing) diverse cast.

* [=InTheGallbladder=]: [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2093 This one.]] I don't know what's worse: that he countered accusations of relying upon the strawman argument with a strawman argument, or that it didn't promptly hit the cutting room floor the moment he realized he was recycling a premise.

** Tropers/{{Sunchet}}: It worse that you think. According to this strip, Men's rights activists think that women being blamed for their own sexual assault is just as bad men being portrayed as idiots in commercials. Which simply makes just as much sense as portraying feminist saying "I know its horrible that underaged kid has to pay support if he's raped by woman and she gets pregnant. Its just as bad as movies failing Bechdel test" . MRA movement doesnt claim that these two are equal. Maybe Willis met few douche bags on Internet who said something like this, but its not Ok to portray them as representative faces of movement. Its just gender-reversed StrawFeminist trope. Whatever is your opinion about MRAs this is just wrong to put such disgusting worlds into their mouths.

* Tropers/{{Leyviur}}: I wasn't a fan of the political stuff because my views of it were way more complicated than the boxes Willis kept hurling at me from beyond the pages, but it was [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=1556/ the infamous False Equivalence strip]] that broke the camel's back. In one fell swoop, Willis managed to a) make broad assumptions about the type of character men of all stripes identify with and revere, b) make broad assumptions about the type of character heterosexual women of all stripes are attracted to, and c) prove with points a and b that he doesn't give half a toss about equality, just being 'right.' As well, the comments section, where Willis would constantly delete comments that disagreed or gave criticism, no matter how constructive or polite while at the same time showering praise on fans and 'allies,' had become grossly hostile to anybody viewed as an 'outsider,' even if said outsiders had been there since the comics' inception. This hostility was largely fomented by Willis himself being a toxic person both in and out of his site.

** Tropers/{{Sunchet}} It worse that you think. According to this strip, Men's rights activists think that women being blamed for their own sexual assault is just as bad men being portrayed as idiots in commercials. Which simply makes just as much sense as portraying feminist saying "I know its horrible that underaged kid has to pay support if he's raped by woman and she gets pregnant. Its just as bad as movies failing Bechdel test" . MRA movement doesnt claim that these two are equal. Maybe Willis met few douche bags on Internet who said something like this, but its not Ok to portray them as representative faces of movement. Its just gender-reversed StrawFeminist trope.

* Tropers/{{Larkmarn}}: Honestly, I was pretty sick of the political stuff, but I accepted it. It's his work, if he wants to shove in an AuthorTract or AuthorFilibuster that has nothing to do with toys, so be it. But the Faz/Palin ass shove was just so juvenile (and treated as a CMOA) and pointless that it almost made me sympathize for the GOP. Almost. Okay, not really, but still. It was bad and made me stop reading the comic altogether.

* {{EchoingSilence}} - I tend to avoid political stuff now. But Willis is wrapping up his Webcomic and one of his plans is getting Robin and Leslie to have a kid. Perfectly fine. But how he's going about this just reeks of "easy way out". The plan for two lesbians to have a kid is to go to their regular super scientist, Joe, who deals in robotics and purely robotics by the way, and ask him for how they can have a baby, he spits out some data on a tablet instantly and says that because Robin was augmented by aliens, she can give birth easier and quicker (within 3 weeks), my issue is that Joe was never revealed to have anything within in genetics in the first place so this feels like a cop out. Secondly, Willis could have had the two go for adoption and have them adopt a kid and go through the trials of being two lovers in a society that says that "Gay people shouldn't adopt kids" and even finding the kid perfect for their family, but instead they go the super science route to make it easier. Third, where did the info that Robin can have a kid a lot quicker come from? Like when was that a concept? Why is this a concept? Willis is just going for the AssPull to make his webcomic end a lot faster and make it end on a "high" note.

** @/{{Jonn}}: Unfortunately, a lot of feminists tend to and describe abuse (and rape) as "(men's) violence against women" and "(M>F) gendered violence". Willis' views' aren't particularly abnormal for feminists or society in general[[note]]which generally acknowledges that women can have sex with men against their will, but doesn't take it as seriously as "real" rapes. In fact, the UK says women can't commit rape, legally speaking. Similarly, many police policies are instructed to assume a woman who hit her male SO was probably acting in "(preemptive) self-defense". These laws were often pushed for by well-intentioned feminists trying to keep women from being arrested for defending themselves.[[/note]], and are right in line with the sort of [[SoapboxSadie social justice warrior]] he seems to be pandering to now.
* {{PeiraIssaNoid}} - Willis has been on a non-stop tangent about issues that don't effect him in anyway whatsoever and seems out-right enforcing his opinions on everyone. The issues range from feminism, representation of minorities in media, and now, religion. He's got his head up his ass so much that it's apparent that he's not actually doing these to make a point; he's doing this to get more views and money. Further more, any arcs that arise during this period ''still do this'' despite the fact that they should be developing the characters that now have to fill in the gap that Ethan, Amber, and Mike have left.

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