History DethroningMoment / MarvelCinematicUniverse

* emilethetemplar: The fact that Talos and Nick Fury, the latter supposedly being one of the smartest people in the MCU (and the most paranoid according to Beck), gave EDITH to Peter is so insanely stupid I have trouble processing it. They just gave a 16 years old teenager the equivalent of the super weapon Hydra was trying to acquire in Winter Soldier without an instruction manual or even just telling him what the damn thing do. And after that predictably backfire when Peter almost blow a missile on a bus full of childrens, Talos has the balls to be angry at him? What was he thinking was gonna happen? This single plot point makes me like the whole movie a lot less than I would otherwise.

* [=TylerFG96=]: Not to contradict the previous statement, but I feel Bruce's attempt to murder Wanda counts as one. While I do empathize with him and recognize that his grief towards his actions upon being put under her control is valid, there's just something about having a character whose origin in the comics dealt with him witnessing the death of his mother at the hands of his abusive father suddenly attempting to strangle a woman with no remorse that doesn't sit right with me at all. Not to mention that if she wasn't as powerful as she was, [[FridgeHorror he probably would've gotten away with it and the other Avengers could've easily covered it up.]]

* [=TylerFG96=]: Not to contradict the previous statement, but I feel Bruce's attempt to murder Wanda counts as one. There's just something about having a character whose origin in the comics dealt with him witnessing the death of his mother at the hands of his abusive father suddenly threatening to strangle a woman with no remorse, regardless of her actions, that doesn't sit right with me at all. Not to mention that if she wasn't as powerful as she was, [[FridgeHorror he probably would've gotten away with it.]]

* [=TylerFG96=]: Not to contradict the previous statement, but I feel Bruce's aforementioned threat to Wanda counts as one. There's just something about having a character whose origin in the comics dealt with him witnessing the death of his mother at the hands of his abusive father suddenly threatening to murder a woman with no remorse, regardless of her actions, that doesn't sit right with me at all. Not to mention that if she wasn't as powerful as she was, [[FridgeHorror he probably would've gotten away with it.]]

** [=TylerFG96=]: Not to contradict the previous statement, but I feel Bruce's aforementioned threat to Wanda counts as one. There's just something about having a character whose origin in the comics dealt with him witnessing the death of his mother at the hands of his abusive father suddenly threatening to murder a woman with no remorse, regardless of her actions, that doesn't sit right with me at all. Not to mention that if she wasn't as powerful as she was, [[FridgeHorror he probably would've gotten away with it.]]

** [=Bartzv=]: Agreed. In fact, as a Doctor Strange fan (who also got into the character and his lore through [=MvC=]), I was turned off by how the film seemed to wanna be about anything but Doctor Strange. In addition to what they did to Shuma-Gorath, the fact that the only Mordo we see in the film is an alternate universe Mordo (this one is especially egregious considering the first film had set up MCU-Mordo to become a major villain) and that they introduced The Book of the Vishanti only to make it a RedHerring that gets destroyed in the end sealed the deal for me that the people in charge had no interest in making this a Doctor Strange story and had other priorities- like finishing Wanda's story from ''[=Wandavision=]''. It feels like Doctor Strange and his lore (the few bits of it they used) are only in the film out of obligation since this is ostensibly supposed to be a sequel to his debut film.

** [=Bartzv=]: Agreed. In fact, as a Doctor Strange fan (who also got into the character and his lore through [=MvC=]), I was turned off by how the film seemed to wanna be about anything but Doctor Strange. In addition to what they did to Shuma-Gorath, the fact that the only Mordo we see in the film is an alternate universe Mordo (this one is especially egregious considering the first film had set up MCU-Mordo to become a major villain) and that they introduced The Book of the Vishanti only to make it a RedHerring that gets destroyed in the end sealed the deal for me that the people in charge had no interest in making this a Doctor Strange story and had other priorities (like finishing Wanda's story from ''[=Wandavision=]''). It feels like Doctor Strange and his lore (the few bits of lore they used) are only in the film out of obligation since this is ostensibly supposed to be a sequel to his debut film.

** [=Bartzv=]: Agreed. In fact, as a Doctor Strange fan (who also got into the character and his lore through [=MvC=]), I was turned off by how the film seemed to wanna be about anything but Doctor Strange. In addition to what they did to Shuma-Gorath, the fact that the only Mordo we see in the film is an alternate universe Mordo (this one is especially egregious considering the first film had set up MCU-Mordo to become a major villain) and that they introduced The Book of the Vishanti only to make it a RedHerring that gets destroyed in the end sealed the deal for me that the people in charge had no interest in making this a Doctor Strange story and had other priorities (like finishing Wanda's story from ''[=Wandavision=]''). It feels like Doctor Strange is only in the film out of obligation since this is ostensibly supposed to be a sequel to his debut film.

** [=Bartzv=]: Agreed. In fact, as a Doctor Strange fan (who also got into the character and his lore through [=MvC=]), I was turned off by how the film seemed to wanna be about anything but Doctor Strange. In addition to what they did to Shuma-Gorath, the fact that the only Mordo we see in the film is an alternate universe Mordo (after MCU-Mordo was set up as a major villain in the last film's stinger) and that they introduced The Book of the Vishanti only to make it a RedHerring that gets destroyed in the end sealed the deal for me that the people in charge had no interest in making this a Doctor Strange story and had other priorities (like finishing Wanda's story from ''[=Wandavision=]''). It feels like Doctor Strange is only in the film out of obligation since this is ostensibly supposed to be a sequel to his debut film.

** [=Bartzv=]: Agreed. In fact, as a Doctor Strange fan (who also got into the character and his lore through [=MvC=]), I was turned off by how the film seemed to wanna be about anything but Doctor Strange. In addition to what they did to Shuma-Gorath, the fact that the only Mordo we see in the film is an alternate universe Mordo (after MCU-Mordo was set up as a major villain in the last film's stinger) and that they introduced The Book of the Vishanti only to make it a RedHerring that gets destroyed in the end sealed the deal for me that the people in charge had no interest in making this a Doctor Strange story and had other priorities (like finishing Wanda's story from ''[=Wandavision=]''). Doctor Strange is only in the film out of obligation (since this is ostensibly supposed to be a sequel to his debut film).

** [=Bartzv=]: Agreed. In fact, as a Doctor Strange fan (who also got into the character and his lore through [=MvC=]), I was turned off by how the film seemed to wanna be about anything but Doctor Strange. In addition to what they did to Shuma-Gorath, the fact that the only Mordo we see in the film is an alternate universe Mordo and the fact that they introduced The Book of the Vishanti as a RedHerring that gets destroyed in the end sealed the deal for me that the people in charge had no interest in making this a Doctor Strange story and had other priorities (like finishing Wanda's story from ''[=Wandavision=]''). Doctor Strange is only in the film out of obligation (since this is ostensibly supposed to be a sequel to his debut film).

* Tropers/aster2560 : I’m happy to admit that I really hate this entire movie and say that it began the downward spiral that the MCU is currently in, but if I had to pick one specific moment for Civil War I would have to say that it would be Wanda’s character assassination. Before you say that Wanda character assassination was in WandaVision no it was here when she feels like she shouldn’t be held accountable for letting the Hulk loose on a city that could have killed a bunch of people, helping Ultron acquire vibranium, mind raping the team which prevented Natasha from being able to stop Bruce, and indirectly creating Ultron.

* emilethetemplar: The fact that Talos and Nick Fury, the latter supposedly being one of the smartest people in the MCU (and the most paranoid according to Beck), gave EDITH to Peter is so insanely stupid I have trouble processing it. They just gave a 16 years old teenager the equivalent of the super weapon Hydra was trying to acquire in Winter Soldier without an instruction manual or hell, just telling him what the damn thing do. What in the seven hells where they thinking was gonna happen? And after that predictably backfire when Peter almost blow a missile on a bus full of childrens, Talos has the balls to be angry at him? This single plot point makes me like the whole movie a lot less than I would otherwise.

* emilethetemplar: The fact that Talos and Nick Fury, the latter supposedly being one of the smartest people in the MCU (and the most paranoid according to Beck), gave EDITH to Peter is so insanely stupid I have trouble processing it. They just gave a 16 years old teenager the equivalent of the super weapon Hydra was trying to acquire in Winter Soldier. What in the seven hells where they thinking was gonna happen? And after that predictably backfire when Peter almost blow a missile on a bus full of childrens, Talos has the balls to be angry at him? This single plot point makes me like the whole movie a lot less than I would otherwise.

* emilethetemplar: The fact that Talos and Nick Fury, the latter supposedly being one of the smartest people in the MCU (and the most paranoid according to Beck), gave EDITH to Peter is so insanely stupid I have trouble processing it. He just gave a 16 years old teenager the equivalent of the super weapon Hydra was trying to acquire in Winter Soldier. What in the seven hells did he tought was gonna happen? And after that predictably happen when Peter almost blow a missile on a bus full of childrens, Talos has the balls to be angry at him? This single plot point makes me like the whole movie a lot less than I would otherwise.

* emilethetemplar: The fact that Nick Fury, supposedly one of the smartest people in the MCU (and the most paranoid according to Beck), gave EDITH to Peter is so insanely stupid I have trouble processing it. He just gave a 16 years old teenager the equivalent of the super weapon Hydra was trying to acquire in Winter Soldier. What in the seven hells did he tought was gonna happen? And after that predictably happen when Peter almost blow a missile on a bus full of childrens, he has the balls to be angry at him? This single plot point makes me like Nick Fury and the whole movie a lot less than I would otherwise.

* [=DevNameless=]: I enjoyed this movie just fine, though I can't say it's perfect. For me, the DMOS isn't really about me being enraged by it, but just me feeling like I lament the handling of a character that sold me on the movie, and that would be Gargantos. First off, I would like to say Shuma-Gorath has easily been my favorite villain in comics ever since I got hooked on him thanks to [=MvC=]. He may be a minor character in the scale of not showing up much, but I scream in joy every time I see him. So when I saw he was going to make an appearance in the MCU, It was one of the biggest moments of joy in my life. I didn't even mind if they had to change his name to Gargantos for the film because of rights problems, I figured he'd still be Shuma-Gorath in spirit. The main problem is the fact that he ''didn't'' feel like Shuma-Gorath in spirit when I actually saw the movie. I was hoping he was going to show off his prowess to the world as powerful, multi-dimensional deity and give Strange the fight of his life, being the intelligent and mighty EldritchAbomination he was. What Gargantos turned out to be seemed more like a flat, lifeless monster, a pawn of Wanda, didn't get any real dialogue, and ended up killed by a lamp post to the eye. Unceremonious for me, to see a character of his caliber get reduced that much. I don't necessarily ''hate'' the idea of trying something different with a character, since the reinvention of Mandarin in ''Shang-Chi'' proved you could do it right and then some. It's just such a shame to me, because I don't think Gargantos leaves a good impact on viewers who haven't read the comics, so they won't be able to appreciate Shuma-Gorath like I've come to. And that's why I consider the handling to be a DMOS; Gargantos doesn't seem likely to get people interested in learning more about him or his comic book version.