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* fluffything: The episode of ''Series/FullHouse'' where Kimmy Gibbler ends up drunk is by far one of the most wanna-smash-my-head-against-the-nearest-hard-surface inducing episodes of any series ever. The episode starts out fine with Kimmy and DJ fighting after a party because Kimmy had one-too-many to drink. Kimmy thought she was the life of the party, and DJ points out that Kimmy was doing nothing more than making an embarassment of herself and others with her drunk antics. This in-and-of itself could've made for a great message of [[AnAesop "Drinking alcohol doesn't make you look cool."]] But... Then they go and pull out the "Drunk driver cause of death" card. This is where the DMOS comes in. DJ goes off on Kimmy on how her mother was killed by a drunk driver. I'm sorry, what? Look, I understand that DUI is a major cause of death for millions of people each year and it's a very tragic subject many people end up going through. But, this was just handled so poorly in this episode. It felt so forced in. As if they were trying to make the situation more serious than it was. What was wrong with the "Kimmy made a drunk ass of herself" conflict? That was just fine and it set up the moral of "why drinking isn't always a good thing" without the contrived "A drunk driver killed my mom/dad/uncle" cliche. It's just so utterly jarring compared to the tone of the rest of the episode.

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* fluffything: The episode of ''Series/FullHouse'' where Kimmy Gibbler ends up drunk is by far one of the most wanna-smash-my-head-against-the-nearest-hard-surface inducing episodes of any series ever. The episode starts out fine with Kimmy and DJ fighting after a party because Kimmy had one-too-many to drink. Kimmy thought she was the life of the party, and DJ points out that Kimmy was doing nothing more than making an embarassment of herself and others with her drunk antics. This in-and-of itself could've made for a great message of [[AnAesop "Drinking alcohol doesn't make you look cool."]] " But... Then they go and pull out the "Drunk driver cause of death" card. This is where the DMOS comes in. DJ goes off on Kimmy on how her mother was killed by a drunk driver. I'm sorry, what? Look, I understand that DUI is a major cause of death for millions of people each year and it's a very tragic subject many people end up going through. But, this was just handled so poorly in this episode. It felt so forced in. As if they were trying to make the situation more serious than it was. What was wrong with the "Kimmy made a drunk ass of herself" conflict? That was just fine and it set up the moral of "why drinking isn't always a good thing" without the contrived "A drunk driver killed my mom/dad/uncle" cliche. It's just so utterly jarring compared to the tone of the rest of the episode.
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* rastanley: Episode 6x23 "Body Language." This episode was horribly uncomfortable. For some reason, after Pam returns from maternity leave, she has decided she must set Michael up with a partner at all costs. Donna, a bar manager Michael had met in the previous episode (after another attempt by Pam to set him up with one of her friends, no less!) visits the office to discuss business, with Jim and Pam as the lead salespersons for the deal. Michael believes she is interested in him, so he asks Pam let him do the deal alongside Jim. Jim, understandably, thinks this is a terrible idea (given that the previous night of Pam trying to set Michael up with one of her friends resulted in Michael hurting the woman's feelings and disrupting the bar by acting like a fratbro, and also given Michael's entire history of harassing women in the office). Pam, for some reason, is still totally on board even as Jim grows more horrified by Michael's attempts to seduce her, including a PowerPoint presentation with a FreezeFrameBonus of the word "SEX" and Michael licking mints off of the manager's hand. It gets to the point where even Kevin thinks Michael should back off. This ultimately leads to Michael trying to corner the woman against a wall when she's leaving the office in order to kiss her (read: sexually assault her). The worst part is that at the end of the episode, after Michael desperately runs off to return a barrette that Donna left in the office (against the advice of everyone, with his behavior being directly compared to that of a stalker), it turns out Donna is interested in him after all, making this episode an asinine case of ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Making this even more {{Squick}} is that Pam and Phyllis present very victim-blamey arguments to support Michael in pursuing her so constantly, including her wearing a shoulder-cut shirt and Phyllis' usual argument that women are teases (with herself as the example). Furthermore, Pam's behavior in this episode and the previous one require her to suddenly have been forgotten all the years of sexual harassment she herself was subjected to from Michael's words (and, if Michael had had his way, his hands). She has also apparently forgotten that Michael was a total jerk to her mom, who Michael had broken up with this season, resulting in Pam slapping him across the face. Never mind how utterly unreasonable the whole thing makes Donna. Later episodes try to salvage this plotline by explaining that Donna is [[spoiler: cheating on her husband with Michael, but this leads to a plotline in which Michael behaves so sociopathically that the entire office shuns him for continuing to knowingly sleep with another man's wife.]] Overall this episode was emblematic of many of the issues that would plague the series in the rest of its run, including some bad issues of DesignatedHero, Michael having rubbed off on Pam to her overall detriment, and the characters' personal lives becoming increasingly complex and inane, while also behaving like total jerks. Never mind that the episode does not age well in today's climate regarding sexual assault.

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* rastanley: Episode 6x23 "Body Language." This episode was horribly uncomfortable. For some reason, after Pam returns from maternity leave, she has decided she must set Michael up with a partner at all costs. Donna, a bar manager Michael had met in the previous episode (after another attempt by Pam to set him up with one of her friends, no less!) visits the office to discuss business, with Jim and Pam as the lead salespersons for the deal. Michael believes she is interested in him, so he asks Pam let him do the deal alongside Jim. Jim, understandably, thinks this is a terrible idea (given that the previous night of Pam trying to set Michael up with one of her friends resulted in Michael hurting the woman's feelings and disrupting the bar by acting like a fratbro, and also given Michael's entire history of harassing women in the office). Pam, for some reason, is still totally on board even as Jim grows more horrified by Michael's attempts to seduce her, including a PowerPoint [=PowerPoint=] presentation with a FreezeFrameBonus of the word "SEX" and Michael licking mints off of the manager's hand. It gets to the point where even Kevin thinks Michael should back off. This ultimately leads to Michael trying to corner the woman against a wall when she's leaving the office in order to kiss her (read: sexually assault her). The worst part is that at the end of the episode, after Michael desperately runs off to return a barrette that Donna left in the office (against the advice of everyone, with his behavior being directly compared to that of a stalker), it turns out Donna is interested in him after all, making this episode an asinine case of ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Making this even more {{Squick}} is that Pam and Phyllis present very victim-blamey arguments to support Michael in pursuing her so constantly, including her wearing a shoulder-cut shirt and Phyllis' usual argument that women are teases (with herself as the example). Furthermore, Pam's behavior in this episode and the previous one require her to suddenly have been forgotten all the years of sexual harassment she herself was subjected to from Michael's words (and, if Michael had had his way, his hands). She has also apparently forgotten that Michael was a total jerk to her mom, who Michael had broken up with this season, resulting in Pam slapping him across the face. Never mind how utterly unreasonable the whole thing makes Donna. Later episodes try to salvage this plotline by explaining that Donna is [[spoiler: cheating on her husband with Michael, but this leads to a plotline in which Michael behaves so sociopathically that the entire office shuns him for continuing to knowingly sleep with another man's wife.]] Overall this episode was emblematic of many of the issues that would plague the series in the rest of its run, including some bad issues of DesignatedHero, Michael having rubbed off on Pam to her overall detriment, and the characters' personal lives becoming increasingly complex and inane, while also behaving like total jerks. Never mind that the episode does not age well in today's climate regarding sexual assault.
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Whether it's awful endings, contrived plots, derailed characters or other bad writing, these are the moments that should have been taken off the air.

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Whether it's awful endings, contrived plots, derailed characters or other bad writing, these are the moments that should have been taken off the air.
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* Guy01: I've been teetering on the edge of dropping the show for a while now but the moment that utterly killed Cobra Kai to me was the *** goddamn *** swirly scene. Season after season the Cobras have been getting away scott free with being the most insufferable bunch of goddamn *** ever put to screen but this was the moment that killed the show. The Cobra Brats, lead by Kenny, gang up on Anthony, grab him, kicking and struggling and screaming into a bathroom, and then, deliberately, force his head into a *** filled toilet. And then....that's it. It's never followed up on beyond a joke later by Anthony. WHAT. THE. FUCK?! So, assuming those psychotic little fuckheads let him live, Anthony would've had to make it out of there, tall order considering he was surrounded by more of those psychotic sacks of bastard, go home, change his clothes, clean off, clean his clothes, and no *** telling how long that would've taken, and then...what? That's it? That's it? No *** mention of it again? BULL! What? Was nobody home? He didn't run into any of the Miyagi-Fang students on the way home? How *** convenient for the Cobra Brats. By all accounts, Anthony should've and would've brought this to Daniel and Sam's attention immediately which should've resulted in Miyagi-Fang kicking down Kenny's door and tearing that little brat apart and doing the same to the others. But NOOOOOOOO! Can't have the Creator's Pet Villain Sues face any consequences can we? So instead, it just gets forgotten about and at the end of the season we're expected to sympathize with Kenny because he made an uwu sad face after Silver got arrested. Fuck that. Anthony should've punched him out on the way home. I guarantee next season is going to be more of this. The 'Heroes' will be reduced to pathetically kissing the Cobra Brats' feet and begging them to join their Dojo while the Cobras continue to act like the psycho brats they are because this is Cobra Kai and the Brats can't face any consequences. I'm done. It felt good to rant and get all of that out of my system but I am just done with this show. There's no recovering from this.

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* Guy01: I've been teetering on the edge of dropping the show for a while now but the moment that utterly killed Cobra Kai to me was the *** goddamn *** swirly scene. Season after season the Cobras have been getting away scott free with being the most insufferable bunch of goddamn *** ever put to screen but this was the moment that killed the show. The Cobra Brats, lead by Kenny, gang up on Anthony, grab him, kicking and struggling and screaming into a bathroom, and then, deliberately, force his head into a *** filled toilet. And then....that's it. It's never followed up on beyond a joke later by Anthony. WHAT. THE. FUCK?! What the fuck?! So, assuming those psychotic little fuckheads let him live, Anthony would've had to make it out of there, tall order considering he was surrounded by more of those psychotic sacks of bastard, go home, change his clothes, clean off, clean his clothes, and no *** telling how long that would've taken, and then...what? That's it? That's it? No *** mention of it again? BULL! Bull! What? Was nobody home? He didn't run into any of the Miyagi-Fang students on the way home? How *** convenient for the Cobra Brats. By all accounts, Anthony should've and would've brought this to Daniel and Sam's attention immediately which should've resulted in Miyagi-Fang kicking down Kenny's door and tearing that little brat apart and doing the same to the others. But NOOOOOOOO! noooooo! Can't have the Creator's Pet Villain Sues face any consequences can we? So instead, it just gets forgotten about and at the end of the season we're expected to sympathize with Kenny because he made an uwu sad face after Silver got arrested. Fuck that. Anthony should've punched him out on the way home. I guarantee next season is going to be more of this. The 'Heroes' will be reduced to pathetically kissing the Cobra Brats' feet and begging them to join their Dojo while the Cobras continue to act like the psycho brats they are because this is Cobra Kai and the Brats can't face any consequences. I'm done. It felt good to rant and get all of that out of my system but I am just done with this show. There's no recovering from this.
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* Guy01: I've been teetering on the edge of dropping the show for a while now but the moment that utterly killed Cobra Kai to me was the *** goddamn *** swirly scene. Season after season the Cobras have been getting away scott free with being the most insufferable bunch of goddamn *** ever put to screen but this was the moment that killed the show. The Cobra Cunts gang up on Anthony, grab him, kicking and struggling and screaming into a bathroom, and then, deliberately, force his head into a *** filled toilet. And then....that's it. It's never followed up on beyond a joke later by Anthony. WHAT. THE. FUCK?! So, assuming those psychotic little fuckheads let him live, Anthony would've had to make it out of there, tall order considering he was surrounded by more of those psychotic sacks of bastard, go home, change his clothes, clean off, clean his clothes, and no *** telling how long that would've taken, and then...what? That's it? That's it? No *** mention of it again? BULL! What? Was nobody home? He didn't run into any of the Miyagi-Fang students on the way home? How *** convenient for the Cobra Cunts. By all accounts, Anthony should've and would've brought this to Daniel and Sam's attention immediately which should've resulted in Miyagi-Fang kicking down Kenny's door and tearing that little brat apart and doing the same to the others. But NOOOOOOOO! Can't have the Creator's Pet Villain Sues face any *** challenges can we? So instead, it just gets forgotten about and at the end of the season we're expected to sympathize with Kenny because he made an uwu sad face after Silver got arrested. Fuck that. Anthony should've punched him out on the way home. I guarantee next season is going to be more of this. The 'Heroes' will be reduced to pathetically kissing the Cobra Cunts' feet and begging them to join their Dojo while the Cobras continue to act like the psycho brats they are because this is Cobra Kai and the Cunts can't face any *** consequences. I'm done. It felt good to rant and get all of that out of my system but I am just done with this show. There's no recovering from this.

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* Guy01: I've been teetering on the edge of dropping the show for a while now but the moment that utterly killed Cobra Kai to me was the *** goddamn *** swirly scene. Season after season the Cobras have been getting away scott free with being the most insufferable bunch of goddamn *** ever put to screen but this was the moment that killed the show. The Cobra Cunts Brats, lead by Kenny, gang up on Anthony, grab him, kicking and struggling and screaming into a bathroom, and then, deliberately, force his head into a *** filled toilet. And then....that's it. It's never followed up on beyond a joke later by Anthony. WHAT. THE. FUCK?! So, assuming those psychotic little fuckheads let him live, Anthony would've had to make it out of there, tall order considering he was surrounded by more of those psychotic sacks of bastard, go home, change his clothes, clean off, clean his clothes, and no *** telling how long that would've taken, and then...what? That's it? That's it? No *** mention of it again? BULL! What? Was nobody home? He didn't run into any of the Miyagi-Fang students on the way home? How *** convenient for the Cobra Cunts.Brats. By all accounts, Anthony should've and would've brought this to Daniel and Sam's attention immediately which should've resulted in Miyagi-Fang kicking down Kenny's door and tearing that little brat apart and doing the same to the others. But NOOOOOOOO! Can't have the Creator's Pet Villain Sues face any *** challenges consequences can we? So instead, it just gets forgotten about and at the end of the season we're expected to sympathize with Kenny because he made an uwu sad face after Silver got arrested. Fuck that. Anthony should've punched him out on the way home. I guarantee next season is going to be more of this. The 'Heroes' will be reduced to pathetically kissing the Cobra Cunts' Brats' feet and begging them to join their Dojo while the Cobras continue to act like the psycho brats they are because this is Cobra Kai and the Cunts Brats can't face any *** consequences. I'm done. It felt good to rant and get all of that out of my system but I am just done with this show. There's no recovering from this.
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* Guy01: I've been teetering on the edge of dropping the show for a while now but the moment that utterly killed Cobra Kai to me was the fucking goddamn shit swirly scene. Season after season the Cobras have been getting away scott free with being the most insufferable bunch of goddamn assholes ever put to screen but this was the moment that killed the show. The Cobra Cunts gang up on Anthony, grab him, kicking and struggling and screaming into a bathroom, and then, deliberately, force his head into a shit filled toilet. And then....that's it. It's never followed up on beyond a joke later by Anthony. WHAT. THE. FUCK?! So, assuming those psychotic little fuckheads let him live, Anthony would've had to make it out of there, tall order considering he was surrounded by more of those psychotic sacks of bastard, go home, change his clothes, clean off, clean his clothes, and no fucking telling how long that would've taken, and then...what? That's it? That's it? No fucking mention of it again? BULL! What? Was nobody home? He didn't run into any of the Miyagi-Fang students on the way home? How fucking convenient for the Cobra Cunts. By all accounts, Anthony should've and would've brought this to Daniel and Sam's attention immediately (Amanda is useless as this season showed so I don't blame him for not telling her) which should've resulted in Miyagi-Fang kicking down Kenny's door and tearing that little shitheel apart. But NOOOOOOOO! Can't have the Creator's Pet Villain Sues face any fucking challenges can we? So instead, it just gets forgotten about and at the end of the season we're expected to sympathize with Kenny because he made an uwu sad face after Silver got arrested. Fuck that. Anthony should've punched his bitch ass out on the home. I guarantee next season is going to be more of this. The 'Heroes' will be reduced to pathetically kissing the Cobra Cunts' feet and begging them to join their Dojo while the Cobras continue to act like the fucking assholes they are because this is Cobra Kai and the Cunts can't face any fucking consequences. I'm done. It felt good to rant and get all of that out of my system but I am just done with this show. There's no recovering from this.

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* Guy01: I've been teetering on the edge of dropping the show for a while now but the moment that utterly killed Cobra Kai to me was the fucking ******* goddamn shit **** swirly scene. Season after season the Cobras have been getting away scott free with being the most insufferable bunch of goddamn assholes ******** ever put to screen but this was the moment that killed the show. The Cobra Cunts gang up on Anthony, grab him, kicking and struggling and screaming into a bathroom, and then, deliberately, force his head into a shit **** filled toilet. And then....that's it. It's never followed up on beyond a joke later by Anthony. WHAT. THE. FUCK?! So, assuming those psychotic little fuckheads let him live, Anthony would've had to make it out of there, tall order considering he was surrounded by more of those psychotic sacks of bastard, go home, change his clothes, clean off, clean his clothes, and no fucking ******* telling how long that would've taken, and then...what? That's it? That's it? No fucking ******* mention of it again? BULL! What? Was nobody home? He didn't run into any of the Miyagi-Fang students on the way home? How fucking ******* convenient for the Cobra Cunts. By all accounts, Anthony should've and would've brought this to Daniel and Sam's attention immediately (Amanda is useless as this season showed so I don't blame him for not telling her) which should've resulted in Miyagi-Fang kicking down Kenny's door and tearing that little shitheel apart. brat apart and doing the same to the others. But NOOOOOOOO! Can't have the Creator's Pet Villain Sues face any fucking ******* challenges can we? So instead, it just gets forgotten about and at the end of the season we're expected to sympathize with Kenny because he made an uwu sad face after Silver got arrested. Fuck that. Anthony should've punched his bitch ass him out on the way home. I guarantee next season is going to be more of this. The 'Heroes' will be reduced to pathetically kissing the Cobra Cunts' feet and begging them to join their Dojo while the Cobras continue to act like the fucking assholes psycho brats they are because this is Cobra Kai and the Cunts can't face any fucking ******* consequences. I'm done. It felt good to rant and get all of that out of my system but I am just done with this show. There's no recovering from this.
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* Guy01: I've been teetering on the edge of dropping the show for a while now but the moment that utterly killed Cobra Kai to me was the fucking goddamn shit swirly scene. Season after season the Cobras have been getting away scott free with being the most insufferable bunch of goddamn assholes ever put to screen but this was the moment that killed the show. The Cobra Cunts gang up on Anthony, grab him, kicking and struggling and screaming into a bathroom, and then, deliberately, force his head into a shit filled toilet. And then....that's it. It's never followed up on beyond a joke later by Anthony. WHAT. THE. FUCK?! So, assuming those psychotic little fuckheads let him live, Anthony would've had to make it out of there, tall order considering he was surrounded by more of those psychotic sacks of bastard, go home, change his clothes, clean off, clean his clothes, and no fucking telling how long that would've taken, and then...what? That's it? That's it? No fucking mention of it again? BULL! What? Was nobody home? He didn't run into any of the Miyagi-Fang students on the way home? How fucking convenient for the Cobra Cunts. By all accounts, Anthony should've and would've brought this to Daniel and Sam's attention immediately (Amanda is useless as this season showed so I don't blame him for not telling her) which should've resulted in Miyagi-Fang kicking down Kenny's door and tearing that little shitheel apart. But NOOOOOOOO! Can't have the Creator's Pet Villain Sues face any fucking challenges can we? So instead, it just gets forgotten about and at the end of the season we're expected to sympathize with Kenny because he made an uwu sad face after Silver got arrested. Fuck that. Anthony should've punched his bitch ass out on the home. I guarantee next season is going to be more of this. The 'Heroes' will be reduced to pathetically kissing the Cobra Cunts' feet and begging them to join their Dojo while the Cobras continue to act like the fucking assholes they are because this is Cobra Kai and the Cunts can't face any fucking consequences. I'm done. It felt good to rant and get all of that out of my system but I am just done with this show. There's no recovering from this.
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* Tropers/TylerFG: ''Series/TheGeorgeLopezShow'': Ok, so George finds out his daughter is dating someone he doesn't like. So after arguing with her a bit, she says she is almost a woman and she can do whatever she wants. What does he tell her? [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech He basically tells her to get out and he won't come looking for her]]. Ok, so she runs away and he starts to feel like crap. What does his wife tell him? It wasn't his fault and he was trying to protect her. If I was her, I would've fucking kicked him out. Let me remind you everyone was acting like it was no big deal, and [[WhatTheHellHero nobody called him out on it at all]]. How he's even likeable as a character anymore is beyond me.
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* {{ViolinMan}}: The entirety of ''Series/{{Heathers}}'' is pretty bad, but Episode 6, "Reindeer Games" has a moment that literally made me want to scream. [[spoiler: In the previous episode, Betty Finn was sexually harrassed and attacked multiple times by JD, and Betty decides to call the police, of course. Instead of keeping JD by her though, so he can be sent to the police, Betty leaves JD alone, letting him get to Veronica, where they get in a car crash, creating an alibi. In the beginning of the next episode, they're at the polices office, and instead of the police standing by Betty, they only care about the sexual harrassment part and don't care about the attacks. They then trust JD only, letting Betty get reasonably mad, as the people she thought she could trust went against her, and we next hear that she's at a military school. Plus, of course, at the end, Betty was taken out screaming and kicking because the person in the room that the police are defending tried to murder her. What the fuck. I legitimately got pissed at JD and the police for this and cried for Betty. It made me feel uncomfortable, which might've been the point, but I really hated it. Then, later in the episode, JD hides a gun in Lizzie's backpack, making her ALSO get thrown out of the school. This episode is INCREDIBLY uncomfortable.]]

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* {{ViolinMan}}: The entirety of ''Series/{{Heathers}}'' ''Series/Heathers2018'' is pretty bad, but Episode 6, "Reindeer Games" has a moment that literally made me want to scream. [[spoiler: In the previous episode, Betty Finn was sexually harrassed and attacked multiple times by JD, and Betty decides to call the police, of course. Instead of keeping JD by her though, so he can be sent to the police, Betty leaves JD alone, letting him get to Veronica, where they get in a car crash, creating an alibi. In the beginning of the next episode, they're at the polices office, and instead of the police standing by Betty, they only care about the sexual harrassment part and don't care about the attacks. They then trust JD only, letting Betty get reasonably mad, as the people she thought she could trust went against her, and we next hear that she's at a military school. Plus, of course, at the end, Betty was taken out screaming and kicking because the person in the room that the police are defending tried to murder her. What the fuck. I legitimately got pissed at JD and the police for this and cried for Betty. It made me feel uncomfortable, which might've been the point, but I really hated it. Then, later in the episode, JD hides a gun in Lizzie's backpack, making her ALSO get thrown out of the school. This episode is INCREDIBLY uncomfortable.]]
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* [=SorPepita=]: The final scene of the ''Series/ChillingAdventuresOfSabrina'' series finale heavily, and I mean heavily implies that Nick committed suicide in order to be [[TogetherInDeath together forever with the deceased Sabrina]], and isn't that romantic? Err, I beg your pardon? I don't care about the characters knowing for a fact that there exists an afterlife in their universe, that is so disgustingly wrong that I cannot begin to describe how or why is it. For me it's kind of like ''{{Manga/Monster}}'''s Johan on the issue of why you shouldn't go around killing people: either you get it or you don't, and no amount of explaining is going to fix anything. And here I was, thinking that the writers of this series got it, but nooo. Cue the flashbacks of [=SMeyer=]'s ''Literature/NewMoon'' romanticizing suicidal depression! This is so bad that poor Creator/KiernanShipka had to resort to speculating that [[https://www.thewrap.com/chilling-adventures-of-sabrina-ending-sabrina-death-nick-suicide-series-finale-kiernan-shipka/ Nick's true intention was to rescue her from the afterlife]] in order to justify it, which is something that the scene doesn't hint at, like, at all. Oh, and I know that ''Series/{{Riverdale}}'' (which, mind you, is a completely different, previously unrelated series that I don't even watch; I only learned this fact by watching Alex Meyers' reviews) ended up retconning things to make said speculation true, but that's what it was: a {{Retcon}}. Yeah, awesome work, dudes. To quote ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'''s Tin Man in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': "You are like five minutes from gone and you leave with that? You know, it's like cutting a huge fart and then walking out of the room. And that's how we will remember you: as a big fart."

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* [=SorPepita=]: The final scene of the ''Series/ChillingAdventuresOfSabrina'' series finale heavily, and I mean heavily implies that Nick committed suicide in order to be [[TogetherInDeath together forever with the deceased Sabrina]], and isn't that romantic? Err, I beg your pardon? I don't care about the characters knowing for a fact that there exists an afterlife in their universe, that is so disgustingly wrong that I cannot begin to describe how or why is it. For me it's kind of like ''{{Manga/Monster}}'''s ''{{Manga/Monster}}'s'' Johan on the issue of why you shouldn't go around killing people: either you get it or you don't, and no amount of explaining is going to fix anything. And here I was, thinking that the writers of this series got it, but nooo. Cue the flashbacks of [=SMeyer=]'s ''Literature/NewMoon'' romanticizing suicidal depression! This is so bad that poor Creator/KiernanShipka had to resort to speculating that [[https://www.thewrap.com/chilling-adventures-of-sabrina-ending-sabrina-death-nick-suicide-series-finale-kiernan-shipka/ Nick's true intention was to rescue her from the afterlife]] in order to justify it, which is something that the scene doesn't hint at, like, at all. Oh, and I know that ''Series/{{Riverdale}}'' (which, mind you, is a completely different, previously unrelated series that I don't even watch; I only learned this fact by watching Alex Meyers' reviews) ended up retconning things to make said speculation true, but that's what it was: a {{Retcon}}. Yeah, awesome work, dudes. To quote ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'''s Tin Man in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': "You are like five minutes from gone and you leave with that? You know, it's like cutting a huge fart and then walking out of the room. And that's how we will remember you: as a big fart."
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* [=SorPepita=]: The final scene of the ''Series/ChillingAdventuresOfSabrina'' series finale heavily, and I mean heavily implies that Nick committed suicide in order to be [[TogetherInDeath together forever with the deceased Sabrina]], and isn't that romantic? Err, I beg your pardon? I don't care about the characters knowing for a fact that there exists an afterlife in their universe, that is so disgustingly wrong that I cannot begin to describe how or why is it. For me it's kind of like {{Manga/Monster}}'s Johan on the issue of why you shouldn't go around killing people: either you get it or you don't, and no amount of explaining is going to fix anything. And here I was, thinking that the writers of this series got it, but nooo. Cue the flashbacks of [=SMeyer=]'s ''Literature/NewMoon'' romanticizing suicidal depression! This is so bad that poor Creator/KiernanShipka had to resort to speculating that [[https://www.thewrap.com/chilling-adventures-of-sabrina-ending-sabrina-death-nick-suicide-series-finale-kiernan-shipka/ Nick's true intention was to rescue her from the afterlife]] in order to justify it, which is something that the scene doesn't hint at, like, at all. Oh, and I know that ''Series/{{Riverdale}}'' (which, mind you, is a completely different, previously unrelated series that I don't even watch; I only learned this fact by watching Alex Meyers' reviews) ended up retconning things to make said speculation true, but that's what it is: a {{Retcon}}. Yeah, awesome work, dudes. To quote ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'''s Tin Man in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': "You are like five minutes from gone and you leave with that? You know, it's like cutting a huge fart and then walking out of the room. And that's how we will remember you: as a big fart."

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* [=SorPepita=]: The final scene of the ''Series/ChillingAdventuresOfSabrina'' series finale heavily, and I mean heavily implies that Nick committed suicide in order to be [[TogetherInDeath together forever with the deceased Sabrina]], and isn't that romantic? Err, I beg your pardon? I don't care about the characters knowing for a fact that there exists an afterlife in their universe, that is so disgustingly wrong that I cannot begin to describe how or why is it. For me it's kind of like {{Manga/Monster}}'s ''{{Manga/Monster}}'''s Johan on the issue of why you shouldn't go around killing people: either you get it or you don't, and no amount of explaining is going to fix anything. And here I was, thinking that the writers of this series got it, but nooo. Cue the flashbacks of [=SMeyer=]'s ''Literature/NewMoon'' romanticizing suicidal depression! This is so bad that poor Creator/KiernanShipka had to resort to speculating that [[https://www.thewrap.com/chilling-adventures-of-sabrina-ending-sabrina-death-nick-suicide-series-finale-kiernan-shipka/ Nick's true intention was to rescue her from the afterlife]] in order to justify it, which is something that the scene doesn't hint at, like, at all. Oh, and I know that ''Series/{{Riverdale}}'' (which, mind you, is a completely different, previously unrelated series that I don't even watch; I only learned this fact by watching Alex Meyers' reviews) ended up retconning things to make said speculation true, but that's what it is: was: a {{Retcon}}. Yeah, awesome work, dudes. To quote ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'''s Tin Man in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': "You are like five minutes from gone and you leave with that? You know, it's like cutting a huge fart and then walking out of the room. And that's how we will remember you: as a big fart."
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Character Perception Evolution since this old entry has had a lot of people agree with me that Pepe is great


* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: ''Music/LadyGaga and Franchise/TheMuppets: Holiday Spectacular'' is already terrible; it is a strong contender for the worst thing to come out of the entire Muppet franchise. However, the ending is the icing on this massive shit cake: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TsDKtWILE4 Pepe, basically, in the most G-rated way he can, sexually assaults Lady Gaga]]. As my name suggests, Pepe is one of my favorite Muppets, probably second only to Gonzo, but here, I think I finally realized why he is TheScrappy to so many people. Like, I understand he's TheCasanova -- I, myself, usually find his antics hilarious, and I am a girl. But here, he's straight up implied to be touching her vagina. I almost don't even want to accept that this is the same character I love.

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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: ''Music/LadyGaga and Franchise/TheMuppets: Holiday Spectacular'' is already terrible; it is a strong contender for the worst thing to come out of the entire Muppet franchise. However, the ending is the icing on this massive shit cake: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TsDKtWILE4 Pepe, basically, in the most G-rated way he can, sexually assaults Lady Gaga]]. As my name suggests, Pepe is one of my favorite Muppets, probably second only to Gonzo, but here, I think I finally realized why he is historically was TheScrappy to so many people. Like, I understand he's TheCasanova -- I, myself, usually find his antics hilarious, and I am a girl. But here, he's straight up implied to be touching her vagina. I almost don't even want to accept that this is the same character I love.
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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series (fifth if you count [[DethroningMoment/LiveActionFilms an old live-action film take I still agree with]]). But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still very funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall (I also like it a lot more on rewatch now - "The Hum Song (Hold Each Other's Noses)" has no right to go as hard in its utter borderline-but-just-barely-not-[[BigLippedAlligatorMoment BLAM]] nonsense as it does and, even without the rest, would spare the whole episode the dishonor). No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.

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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series (fifth if you count [[DethroningMoment/LiveActionFilms an old live-action film take I still agree with]]). But series, but ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still very funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall (I also like it a lot more on rewatch now - "The Hum Song (Hold Each Other's Noses)" has no right to go as hard in its utter borderline-but-just-barely-not-[[BigLippedAlligatorMoment BLAM]] nonsense as it does and, even without the rest, would spare the whole episode the dishonor). No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.
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* Tropers/{{happymediocrity}}: As much as I love ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'', they earned themselves a dethroning moment during season five's episode "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E139NightCall Night Call]]," in which a lonely old woman receives mysterious and disturbing phone calls. The calls escalate from creepy silence to unsettling moans and finally speaking, and she tells him to stop bothering her. She attempts to find out where the calls are coming from and finds out they are from her dead fiancé, who died when she bossed him into letting her drive and she crashed. He calls again, only to let her know that he won't be bothering her anymore, and she's heartbroken. This episode seems to be about torturing a lonely old woman and saying women shouldn't drive or attempt to be in control of anything, ever, and its KickTheDog attitude does not help.
** Manwiththeplan: The episode "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS4E107Mute Mute]]" is just awful. It's about a preteen girl, Ilse, with telepathic powers, which she got because her parents raised her as an experiment, never teaching her to talk and never loving her. Well, her parents die in a fire and she's adopted, and has to be reached out to by her new stepparents and school teacher. Now, what should happen here is that her stepparents and teacher should try to show her real love and acceptance, help her open up socially with her telepathic abilities, and teach her how to harness them for good purposes. But that's not what happens. Instead, the stepmother is hysterically intent on using Ilse as a ReplacementGoldfish for her own dead daughter, the stepfather never seems to give a damn, and worst of all, the school teacher decides that Ilse's telepathy must be gotten rid of and Ilse must "be like everyone else", so she instructs all the other schoolchildren to MindRape Ilse by always thinking her name until these thoughts become deafening to her. Eventually, it works. Ilse's telepathy is ruined and she breaks down crying and screaming "My name is Ilse!" over and over. And at the end, the ending tries to be happy saying that Ilse lost her telepathy, but at least she now has people who love her, which is more important. [[EsotericHappyEnding Excuse me, but just how does one confuse incessant mental torture and love!?]]

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* Tropers/{{happymediocrity}}: As much as I love ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'', they earned themselves a dethroning moment during season five's episode "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E139NightCall "[[Recap/TheTwilightZone1959S5E19NightCall Night Call]]," in which a lonely old woman receives mysterious and disturbing phone calls. The calls escalate from creepy silence to unsettling moans and finally speaking, and she tells him to stop bothering her. She attempts to find out where the calls are coming from and finds out they are from her dead fiancé, who died when she bossed him into letting her drive and she crashed. He calls again, only to let her know that he won't be bothering her anymore, and she's heartbroken. This episode seems to be about torturing a lonely old woman and saying women shouldn't drive or attempt to be in control of anything, ever, and its KickTheDog attitude does not help.
** Manwiththeplan: The episode "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS4E107Mute "[[Recap/TheTwilightZone1959S4E5Mute Mute]]" is just awful. It's about a preteen girl, Ilse, with telepathic powers, which she got because her parents raised her as an experiment, never teaching her to talk and never loving her. Well, her parents die in a fire and she's adopted, and has to be reached out to by her new stepparents and school teacher. Now, what should happen here is that her stepparents and teacher should try to show her real love and acceptance, help her open up socially with her telepathic abilities, and teach her how to harness them for good purposes. But that's not what happens. Instead, the stepmother is hysterically intent on using Ilse as a ReplacementGoldfish for her own dead daughter, the stepfather never seems to give a damn, and worst of all, the school teacher decides that Ilse's telepathy must be gotten rid of and Ilse must "be like everyone else", so she instructs all the other schoolchildren to MindRape Ilse by always thinking her name until these thoughts become deafening to her. Eventually, it works. Ilse's telepathy is ruined and she breaks down crying and screaming "My name is Ilse!" over and over. And at the end, the ending tries to be happy saying that Ilse lost her telepathy, but at least she now has people who love her, which is more important. [[EsotericHappyEnding Excuse me, but just how does one confuse incessant mental torture and love!?]]
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* Billlington: While it's an amusing scene on its own, the fire drill that Dwight stages in "Stress Relief" is, to me, the moment the show stopped being able to balance its absurdities and its more grounded, character-driven moments. Dwight failing to be punished in any real way for setting the building on fire, endangering his coworkers, and causing Stanley to have an actual heart attack is ridiculous. He would have been fired immediately at the very least, probably got slapped with at least one lawsuit, and possibly even arrested (arson is, in fact, a crime). After that, it's impossible to take anything that happens in the show seriously - while the show has never been entirely serious, there's nothing in the show's universe that would suggest that Dwight would simply get away with his actions in that episode.

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* Billlington: While The show grinds to a screeching halt every time the [[RomanticPlotTumor Angela/Dwight/Andy subplot]] appears on screen. Worst of all, it's an amusing scene on its own, the fire drill that Dwight stages in "Stress Relief" is, to me, the moment the show stopped being able to balance its absurdities and its more grounded, character-driven moments. Dwight failing to be punished in any real way for setting the building on fire, endangering his coworkers, and causing Stanley to have an actual heart attack is ridiculous. He would have been fired immediately at the not very least, probably got slapped with at least one lawsuit, funny to begin with, where the entire joke is essentially "the show's resident BaseBreakingCharacter and possibly even arrested (arson is, in fact, a crime). After that, it's impossible to take anything that happens in the show seriously - while the show has never been entirely serious, there's nothing in the show's universe that would suggest that resident [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] torment the show's resident NiceGuy," a pretty tough sell for a comedy. This perhaps could have worked over two or three episodes, but the writers clearly thought they were onto something because this plot goes on for ''12 episodes'' (most of the first half of season 5), even though this subplot in every episode is exactly the same (Andy says/does something corny, Angela and Dwight would simply get away hook up, Dwights harasses Andy). Even more baffling, the subplot seems to wrap up in "Crime Aid" with his actions in that episode.Dwight moving on... only for things to return to status quo by the next episode. It seems the writers had no idea what to do with the characters for much of season 5 and it shows.
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** Tropers/{{Freezer}}: For me, the moment came earlier: The infamous Glenn Fakeout. For the uninitiated, one of TWD's biggest hooks was AnyoneCanDie, from "fan favorite major character" to "guy we just met ten seconds ago". Then came the sixth season episode [[Recap/TheWalkingDeadS06E03ThankYou "Thank You"]], where Glen and Nicholas find themselves trapped in an alley, on top of a dumpster, surrounded by [[NotUsingTheZWord walkers]]. Nicholas has a HeroicBSOD, [[TitleDrop thanks Glen]], then shoots himself in the head, falling to the ground and accidentally taking Glenn with him. The show faded out with the walkers pouncing on Glenn, seemingly tearing him apart. Viewers immediately felt something was off about the "death" and assumed it was actually Nicholas being ripped apart but were ultimately willing to give the show the benefit of the doubt. Something that was not helped by it taking another three episodes to resolve the cliffhanger, thanks to the show's use of RotatingArcs. When [[Recap/TheWalkingDeadS06E07HeadsUp "Heads Up"]] finally airs, our worst fears had been realized: Glenn managed to slide out from under Nicholas' body - without a single walker noticing - and hides under the dumpster until the horde of walkers left. Many viewers, me included, considered this a cheap cop out and an unforgiveable breach of trust. Made worse by Glenn dying anyway nine episodes later, at the hands of [[BigBad Negan]].
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Having just watched the episode for the second time ever, yeah, it's easily spared the dishonor compared to the other moment. I was laughing so hard that time.


* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series (fifth if you count [[DethroningMoment/LiveActionFilms an old live-action film take I still agree with]]). But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.

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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series (fifth if you count [[DethroningMoment/LiveActionFilms an old live-action film take I still agree with]]). But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still very funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall.JerkassBall (I also like it a lot more on rewatch now - "The Hum Song (Hold Each Other's Noses)" has no right to go as hard in its utter borderline-but-just-barely-not-[[BigLippedAlligatorMoment BLAM]] nonsense as it does and, even without the rest, would spare the whole episode the dishonor). No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.
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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series (fifth if you count [[DethroningMoment/LiveActionFilms an old live-action film take I still agree with]]. But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.

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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series (fifth if you count [[DethroningMoment/LiveActionFilms an old live-action film take I still agree with]].with]]). But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.
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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series (fifth if you count [[DethroningMoment/LiveActionFilm an old live-action film take I still agree with]]. But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.

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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series (fifth if you count [[DethroningMoment/LiveActionFilm [[DethroningMoment/LiveActionFilms an old live-action film take I still agree with]]. But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.
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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series. But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.

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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series.series (fifth if you count [[DethroningMoment/LiveActionFilm an old live-action film take I still agree with]]. But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.

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** Troopers/{{Freezer}}: Gave up on the show after Susan's death. Having her die in such a spiteful way (poisoned by the envelope glue on her and George's wedding invitations), but the reactions of the quartet (George: Relief, Jerry, Elane and Kramer: Indifference) to her death went too far. Even for such awful characters. There's
"black comedy" and then there's "Take that for having feelings" comedy.

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** Troopers/{{Freezer}}: Gave up on the show after Susan's death. Having her die in such a spiteful way (poisoned by the envelope glue on her and George's wedding invitations), but the reactions of the quartet (George: Relief, Jerry, Elane and Kramer: Indifference) to her death went too far. Even for such awful characters. There's
There's "black comedy" and then there's "Take that for having feelings" comedy.
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** Troopers/{{Freezer}}: Gave up on the show after Susan's death. Having her die in such a spiteful way (poisoned by the envelope glue on her and George's wedding invitations), but the reactions of the quartet (George: Relief, Jerry, Elane and Kramer: Indifference) to her death went too far. Even for such awful characters. There's
"black comedy" and then there's "Take that for having feelings" comedy.
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** Tropers/{{Mullon}}: Years earlier, the season six finale/season seven premier three-parter is where the MythArc becomes too unwieldy for it's own good and TheChrisCarterEffect kicks in. An alien spacecraft is discovered off the coast of Africa, inscribed with passages from the Bible and the Qu'ran, written in Navajo. At this point the aliens that make up the backstory of the show had already been established as originating from Earth millions of years ago as a black goo virus who had influenced human evolution, left, and returned in the 20th century with plans to dominate the Earth. To imply the aliens also had a hand in monotheism doesn't make sense from an alien motivation standpoint. More importantly, it's been six seasons and a movie, the MythArc does not need more backstory it needs to ''progress''. It's apparent that the writers do not know what they are doing and are just adding shocking revelations in the hopes that alone will maintain audience interest. That's not getting into the quality of the episodes themselves; to make a long story short wasting three hours just to go back to StatusQuoIsGod ''again'' is insulting to fans who stuck with the series.
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* Tropers/Numberguy6: ''Series/AngryBirdsOnTheRun'': [[Main/SecondSeasonDownfall Season 2 was always a gigantic step down from S1]]. But the episode of S2 that made me give up on the series was E7 "The World is Ours", where Bomb and Stella suddenly become super-rich celebrities with no explanation as to how. For me, this is the point where the series officially gave up on logic and consistency.
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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series. But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.

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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series. But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she took the JerkassBall. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual, usual and almost got attacked by Sprocket, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.
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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series. But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she [[TookALevelInJerkass took a major level in jerkass]]. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.

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* Tropers/AlmightyKingPrawn: Yeah yeah, I know that this is my fourth entry on a Henson series. But ''Series/FraggleRock'' (and [[Series/FraggleRockBackToTheRock its reboot]] for that matter, cross my fingers I never have to list that here too) has my heart, even above everything else. It's just a masterpiece. One of the reasons why I love it so much is because the Fraggle 5 are such three-dimensional characters that you become genuinely attached to them like close friends. There was one member of the 5 that took some time for me to adore her as much as the other 4, however, and that is Red. This is the fault of two of the earlier episodes I watched (before I watched the series in order). I'll spare [[Recap/FraggleRockS3E1RedHandedAndTheInvisibleThief "Red Handed and the Invisible Thief"]] from the dishonor as while a horrible choice of first-episode-with-Red-as-main-character, it is still funny in a CrossesTheLineTwice sort of way and Red learns her lesson in the end, even though she [[TookALevelInJerkass she took a major level in jerkass]].the JerkassBall. No, the dishonor goes to a line at the beginning of [[Recap/FraggleRockS1E20TheGardenPlot "The Garden Plot"]] where she takes her typical shtick of "ranting about Gobo's accomplishments out of hidden jealousy" WAY too far. Noticing that Gobo is a bit slower grabbing the postcard from Doc's workshop than usual, Red basically bullies and fatshames him, yelling that he is fat and needs to go on a diet! This has NO impact on the plot, which is about Red admitting she is fearful sometimes, Gobo and Junior loving the same nursery rhyme as kids despite their differences, and [[ComedicSociopathy Pa Gorg being as awful as usual]], just serving as a pointless scene at the beginning of the episode where Red's DeadpanSnarker status is distorted into "she bullies her best friends". She never even apologizes, or learns better! It's just a stupid, pointless, throwaway line that, in addition to all the above and at the risk of sounding like a MoralGuardian, is also a TERRIBLE thing to put in a children's show without an anti-bullying aesop, as Gobo is perfectly healthy and the way Red worded things is in just the way bullies cause eating disorders in real life.

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