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Mr AHR

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e X:

Hm I don't really get your problem with the clear result of the fight between Nanase and Elliot. Justin says before the fight that she is better than him. For me, this was always just to establish her as the best fighter (and magic user) in the group. Not that it matters, because, despite being filled with magic and shape-shifters and anime martial arts, there isn't much fighting in this comic.

Also, regarding what Cakeman said, rereading it, Grace and Tedd have almost no exclusive interaction with each other before mysteriously hooking up. Worse, she shows never any interest at all in him, and yet is deemed "teddsexual" in later comics!
Cakman 11th Dec 10
AHR:

Mainly that despite Nanase being better, Elliot is not exactly horrible either.

They are probably fairly close, but with an obvious gap.

That means that while it might be an inevitable fight, it won't be a clean fight. Clean as in, OHKO, not cheating. Elliot used a move that caused harm, but unlike EVERY move that Nanase did, it was not a physical move. That is what makes it even worse.

I just feel that it's veering into 'Would Not Hit A Girl' territory. I consider the whole 'she's too fast to be hit' Lightning Bruiser / Fragile Speedster thing to be this as well, albeit that's more of me seeing unfortunate implications than anything.
Cakman 11th Dec 10
Silver 2195:

I see your point about the fight; I have similar issues regarding the fights in One Piece. OK, Luffy hit Alvida and Usopp hit Miss Merrychristmas, but both of them were Gonks to the point that they barely looked human, let alone female.
Cakman 11th Dec 10
AHR:

It's interesting that you mention One Piece. It's one of my all time favorite stories of all time, but I do have a vehement hate streak for it.

To the point I wrote my college essay about it I kid you not.

So, quite literally, I had two streams of thought there:

'RARGLEFLARGLE SEXISMMM!'

and

'RARGLEFLARGLE DON'T INSULT ONE PIECE!'

It was amusing.

In all seriousness, yes. More importantly, you would never see Nami or Robin go through...say, what Usopp did when being hit with the bat Mr. 4 had.
Cakman 11th Dec 10
e X:

Without derailing this too much, it is nice to see someone who share my view when it comes to fights involving woman in One Piece. I really love it, but the length to which Oda goes out of the way and avoid putting them in actual, physical fights is nerve-grinding. Just see how he had Usopp defeating Perona! It seems to make huge difference for authors to not only put female characters into fights, but also to get them roughed up once in awhile.

So i guess, I can see your point, AHR, I just don't think that was Shive's intention.
Cakman 11th Dec 10
I do not think it was either. I do think that it's still there though. There is a reason Unfortunate Implications is a trope. There is no doubt in my mind Shive NEVER had the intention to EVER be even REMOTELY sexist.

He still tends to do things that are not exactly, well, free of double standards. It's probably a subconcious thing. We all have stuff like that.

Still enjoy nitpicking it.
Cakman 11th Dec 10
G Ilphon:

You kind of linked to the wrong strip for 100 there.

But remember when I said I've always hated the relations arc? Yeah, this is why. This strip, and the consequences thereof. This strip is the absolute worst strip in all of EGS for me. The ones that follow it would be decent by his current standard if not for the fact that they show he's playing this completely seriously. At the risk of getting over-dramatic, my inner writer howls in pain every time I review this part, mentally or otherwise. Just… ugh. That's not how human interaction works. It's just not.
Cakman 11th Dec 10
Silver 2195:

I think it's believable if we accept that Sarah is too immature to understand her own feelings, but that's a very charitable interpretation, considering that Shive probably wasn't much more mature than Sarah when he wrote that strip.
Cakman 11th Dec 10
Cakman:

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82 "TAKE OFF YOUR SHOES."

"Oh, okay. Sorry."

End of comic strip. The world is a happier place.

Cakman 18th Dec 10 (edited by: Cakman)
AHR:

Cakman had to go and chase pussy. He will be back at some other point. Or not.
Cakman 18th Dec 10
Cakman:

She was grinding on my dick all night.

In addition to 82, I should also add:

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Cakman 18th Dec 10
Blazing Hydra:

To nitpick the nitpicking, I have to point out Cakman that Elliot IS NOT a blackbelt. Or at the very least, he's not wearing his belt; it's quite clearly blue in the second colored comic. Blue is indeed a high belt rank, but it's not black; it's either two or three steps below highest rank depending on your school.
Cakman 18th Dec 10
AHR sockpuppeting as Cakman:

Lolno.

Justin = blue

Elliot = black

Blackity black black.

I am the EGS MASTER. You cannot do battle with me!
Cakman 18th Dec 10
Cakman:

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99/100 Why is there confusion.

Cakman 18th Dec 10
On 76: How the hell did you both fail to point out the gigantic HOLE in Nanase? Seriously, it looks like it would've been a perfectly normal picture except that he erased a good portion of her jacket in the area under her left arm (or more likely, accidentally blasted it with a paint can tool and caused it to get turned into part of the gradient). Or are you telling me you think he meant to have her be only six inches deep at the waist? I'm willing to give him at least a tiny smidge of credit.

Cakman's comment on 79 is hilarious, just gotta say. Especially how he links it back to the strip.

Nanase in strip 94's last panel... How on earth did that escape your judgement? Ignoring the dislocated arm, her head has to be turned at least 100 degrees to the right right now, and moreover it looks as though her head stayed in place while the rest of the body swiveled under it.

Ironically the art in strip 95 is some of the best yet, especially the last panel. Too bad he wasted it on a strip with THAT MUCH TEXT.
Brickman 17th Feb 11
I had assumed it was a One Piece waist. My eyes are a bit more accustomed to it, unfortunately.

Art wise, there are things I tend to be desensitized to. For instance, I didn't even realize sidemouths existed for a very long time. So sometimes I miss some anatomically incorrect things. My bad. Feel free to yell at me for it.
MrAHR 20th Feb 11
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Morgikit 19th Jul 13
88-89 Take a note from Superman, kid. A "world of cardboard" speech isn't cool unless you actually hit something.

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Morgikit 23rd Jul 13
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