The Great Nitpicky Live Blog of El Goonish Shive

Mr AHR

Strips 76-96 (Elliot X Sarah, Elliot vs. Nanase)

So first things first, thanks to everyone reading this, do not be afraid to violently disagree with my nitpickings, or just nitpick my nitpicking.

Then I can nitpick your nitpicking of my nitpicking

Now back to the good stuff.

Well, bad stuff.

You know what I mean.

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Strip 76

Art:

Purple was a bad choice for Sarah. It makes it seem like she's ALREADY in a gi, especially since there is no way to tell the difference in materials.
I must say, looking over the inside of that karate school...Shive has probably most definitely been to one before. The fact that the floor is the color of those puzzle piece mats that most karate schools tend to use strikes me as shown your work to an almost creepy level.
Shive is mixing it up this time, gradients AND backgrounds with attempted perspective. How edgy.
It's amusing that in the eleventh panel, Justin's hair seems to be all windy for no good reason. I call FORESHADOWING! Of what? Fuck you.
And now we have Nanase.
Oh Nanase. You. If you had shown it to me without context and without any knowledge of EGS, I would have thought she was some Naruto Bitchy-Witch Sue. I swear, that design is so...
See, Naruto sueness imagery aside, if it was just ripped sleeves, and the general black on red, but something about it strikes me as...fappish, I guess?
I don't know if it's just because she is wearing a tube top (right term?) or if it's the cleavage showing. I know I've drawn both of those before and never really saw it as 100% sexual all the time, and I've seen others drawn in that style and never really saw it as sexual there either. It's not that I even see it as sexual, but I think I get the same 'wat' vibe that I got when later on in the series, when a certain someone dresses in a suit. It's not sexual, it's just...out of place, and I want to say that author appeal is the reason.
Oh, and still with the Oda waists.

Content:

So, we have Nanase and Justin. Two very well written characters with deep complex motivations and backstory, as well as interesting and engaging personalities.
But nobody really cares about silly things like that. What's MUCH more important is who they are fucking and what gender they are. Not that that's relevant.
Yet.

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Strip 77

Art:

Justin hit that finger with a hammer, pay no mind.
Other than the smaller eyes, Justin and Sarah pretty much look EXACTLY the same. Well, that and the hair. What would artists do if they suddenly had to write a story where everyone was bald?
Dear god, my eyes. The gradient. Greg might be having no luck, but I'm pretty sure the background just went super saiyan.
Ew...what in the WORLD is wrong with that man's shoulder? It looks like someone dislocated his arm and then taped it on top of his collar bone.

Content:

BEHOLD! THE BLACK MAN! Fear the power he has as one of the few people to actually be black! A token minority if there ever was one.
That carrot top joke is...
Random humor is one of the lowest forms of humor. Period. He could have said ANYTHING. Anything. Lindsay Lohan, Bill Clinton, Carl Rove, Paul the Octopus, Douglass Adams, Judy Blume, Akira Toriyama, Fred from down the street, anyone. Now, noodle incidents can do the randomness well, but this is NOT how to do it well.
And then Elliot ruins it even MORE by explaining the erfin joke! Jeezus.

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Strip 78

Art:

Justin has one hell of a wonky elbow. Look at that thing. It looks like it belongs to an ostrich.
Creative use of a gradient, Shive.
Hey, what happened to that perfectly good background you were using 2-3 strips ago?
Also, there is a LOT of text in this page. That's more of a context thing, but if you blur your eyes and look at the comic as a whole, It's like the entire top half is all TEXTTEXTTEXTTEXTTEXT.

Content:

I have one giant nitpick, so lets go with the minor stuff first.
I could see Shive justifying this in his head, but it seems more likely he did it when the three people reading his strip got confused.
Also, bad lampshading is bad lampshading. Not AS bad, but still not great.
Time for the mega-nitpick! Well, not really.
I know that this comic was still in Rule Of Funny back in 02. I do not care. This is personal. To master one kata (as in, one form), you need to practice it for about an hour a day for five years. Something like that. To make it to yellow belt, you usually need to know one form. To orange, two.
Now, it does NOT take a person five years to make it to one belt. Usually to get from white to yellow it takes about six months, and you never go every day, and you never focus on just one kata.
What does this mean?
It means you could be a fifth dan/degree black belt and you STILL have not mastered that one art. You could spend twenty YEARS, and you still will not have mastered it. Mastering isn't as simple as knowing the forms.
It's like saying that in order to master drawing, all you need to do is know the lines to sketch.
Now, to be fair, he is NOT saying that, but to be honest, having a black belt does not mean shit. Not even three. My sister is a black belt. She took tae kwon do and got her black belt...I'd say at age ten? nine? Something like that. I would have gotten it too, but you had to write an essay to do it and at that age I refused to do something so laborous as to write an essay. My sister, and no disrespect to her, has no skill in karate. She is rather weak, lacks torque, and can't fight very well. Black belt does not mean anything.

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Strip 79

Art:

I would like to see Nanase posed without the gradient. Could you imagine if you saw someone dressed like that in that pose? She would look utterly ridiculous.
Greg's neck...dear lord, he might want to get that checked.

Content:

Meh. Meh-ity meh meh. What's there to say? Obvious build up is obvious.
Just wanted to point out something, to win a fight, you don't actually have to —win— a fight. Not in real life anyway. You just have to hit them first, and run like hell. Not a real criticism, just a thought.

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Strip 80

Art:

No comment, but Sarah looks rather devilishly awesome in that last panel. I think I like this infection. Pity she won't last.

Content:

I...I'm confused. What...what just happened? What...is...so...bad...about what...he did?

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Strip 81

Art:

I am going to let this one be. Nanase's eyelids in the middle panel tell me that the art is improving, albeit slowly.
No idea what I mean? You're probably not an artist.

Content:

OK, I'll admit it, I can't help but like this gag. Short, sweet, to the point.

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Strip 82

Art:

Shive, I think it's time you killed off your black token. Then get raped by a guy, become gay, fetishize hard gay archetypes, draw nothing but them for about six months straight, get raped by a girl, become straight again, and resume this comic.

Content:

Shive forgot about socks. Those things will make ya slip.
Thank you for the arrow detailing what Sarah was doing. I could not have guessed from what Greg was ordering her to do.
I can't decide if this is bad filler, or a shown their work filler. Both, I suppose.

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Strip 83

Art:

Justin looks rather...doofus esque in those first three panels.
I do like Greg in the second panel that he is in. He looks incredibly psychotic, although that might not have been Shive's intention.
I am sure there is some symbolism behind those color choices. Yep.

Content:

Ah man, I really hate this segment. In a good way, mind you, it makes me want to rant about it till my fingers bleed.
In this first part, nothing too annoying, but I do wonder why Nanase tells him to not go easy on her. Aren't they kinda dating? And implied fucking? And supposedly perfect matches minus teh ghey of Nanase? Don't you think they would have already said that about fifty times, and then just sort of had a mutual agreement?
Also, Greg's lines to Elliot is amusing, even if they are retconned.

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Strip 84

Art:

I find it incredibly sad that this fight scene is actually pretty fluid and easy to understand (although motion lines are desired). It means that somehow, Shive got WORSE at motion.

Content:

Pay close attention to the hit count. The physical ones.
- Nanase: 1
- Elliot: 0

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Strip 85

Art:

You know, that red blue perspective thing could have been a neat idea, if done correctly.
The magic of copy and paste. Shive must be proud.

Content:

What happened to no magic?
Elliot lampshading does not make the pain go away.

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Strip 86

Art:

MOTION LINES SHIVE! MOTION LINESSSSSS!
Elliot, don't position your arms like that. It's stupid in a fight.

Content:

Exposition is done...OK...I guess...
Hit count:
- Nanase: 2
- Elliot: 0

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Strip 87

Art:

That last the panel...Nanase...the fu up with her left foot? For that matter, why has Nanase seemed to become a tiny curled up ball as a result?

Content:

Oh, so that's why. Man, Elliot really is a douche.
This is not a physical hit, thus no hit count for Elliot. Also keep in mind how for Elliot being hit we saw him being in full pain. For Nanase, we do not.

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Strip 88

Art:

The...the backgrounds! Oh happy day! Promise me you won't leave me again baby! I have no one except for that creep, Cakman.
In other news, Elliot has no armpit hair.
I want to see someone try this in real life. Just rip off their shirt, take the belt and wrap it around their head. Ever see karate belts? They are not that skinny, trust me.
Also, most gi's usually have more to them then 'bathrobe' when it comes to staying together. Most have knots that need to be tied. But thats more of a content thing.
Elliot's shoulder was manufacture in the same place as Greg's.
And now we have chibi black man.

Content:

Compare Nanase's reaction to pain as opposed to Elliot's in the doppleganger strip.
Elliot is even more of a douche. Not just a real life douche, a gary stu douche. I mean...lordy, I am at a loss.
Also, I suppose this COULD be used to justify Elliot's wapanese back when fighting the goo, but originally, I believe that Elliot was being 100% serious, and not trying to be 'cool' in any way.
- This might have been retconned (since that whole 'no summoning inner demons' was retconned, it was originally supposed to be a form of uncontrollable super fighting skills, but Shive got rid of it and I suspect this is a remnant of it) so that Elliot is just being a little drama queen. If that's the case, he's probably even MORE of a douche than previously suspected.

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Strip 89

Art:

Panel 2 Nanase stares into your soul. She does not like what she sees.
That third panel...is actually well done. It's not a good picture, but compared to the other faces, this one is actually pretty well drawn. I really hope we get to see more of this sooner than later. One strip a day...what the hell were you ON Shive?
And so Sarah's eyes keep getting bigger.

Content:

...wow...I honestly can't tell...is this supposed to be serious or joking? I...I can't tell anymore. I honestly can't. I GUESS it's supposed to be hammy, it being animé and all. I guess but...the problem there is...it's not really very funny.
Also, Justin likes penises.

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Strip 90

Art:

WHY IS BUNNY NANASE THE BEST DRAWN THING ON THIS STRIP?

Content:

And here we see it IS indeed them hamming it up. This once again, never really comes up again.
Now, once again, the last strips dialogue wise could all be taken as jokes, but they were still done BADLY. The fact that I completely forgot that is a joke despite several rereadings does not help matters. At all.

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Strip 91

Art:

Panel 1 Nanase looks different. Not bad, just different. Pity she never shows up again.
MOTION LINES DAMN IT MOTION LINES! DAMN YOU SHIVE TT__TT DAMN YOUUUUUUUUU!

Content

Hit Count:
- Nanase: 3
- Elliot: 0
Do you see where I am getting with this?
Also, we have the introduction of ANOTHER reocurring gag, this one of the demonic duck. And you know what the worst part is? He probably is going to be important to the plot somewhere down the line.
Fun fact, one is able to sweep the leg without going down like that. If you really wanna make someone go down, try having your hand go from one shoulder to the other, and push him down as you trip him.

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Strip 92

Art:

Oh u. I know what you are doing. Hair covers mouths. Shive no have to draw awkward pose. Shive is smart. He no look bad.
Nanase has a rape face going on in that first panel. I think I like it in ways I was not meant to.
Unfortunately, Rape face Nanase is replaced by a L'Oreal actress in the next two panels.

Content:

Elliot...you know that...you could easily throw her off right? Like...REALLY easily! She's rather twig like, and is attempting to hold you down with only your arms in place. You have testosterone Elliot. Use it.
Wait...if Elliot forgot about this tradition...was he NOT planning on telling Sarah? I mean, jesus cripes kid, make up your fucking mind! Do you want to lead Sarah on or passive agressively show that someone else has the deed to your sexual adventures?
Nanase, dear, your boyfriend is freaking out. Don't you think you should make sure he is OK?
But you know what the worst part is? Elliot never hit Nanase. Not freaking once. Yeah, you had the weird ki blast, but...just...DAMMIT SHIVE! Making the girl win does not inherently equal feminism! Especially when she is wearing an outfit like that, and seems to only be there for a love interest! You...BLARGH... at least in 2010 I had to complain about the implications! This is downright blatant! Boy you have a thing or two to learn about strong female characters.
Why are none of the (lazily undrawn) students or Greg annoyed by this? Don't you think some people would find PDA a bit...rude?

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Strip 93

Art:

Nanase's hair fluctuates a LOT. Not in consistency, just...style. It's weird.
Hoshit. An actual 3/4ths view that has an indent and everything. Looks freaky and unnatural, but nothing a little practice won't fix. Stick to close ups Shive, please.
Greg's hands scare me. They are either these huge meaty pistons, or large inflated tentacle balloons.

Content:

Did I mention that Nanase is japanese?
You know, most people tend to have more tact than that Sarah, just saying. What is it with Shive and people running out on each other? He REALLY likes doing this.
- Case and Point:

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Strip 94

Art:

What? Not even gray backgrounds? Shive, you suck.
Nanase's eyes suck any emotion out of that face she could possibly have.
So Shive CAN draw motion lines! That jackass.
I bet that star is only so big so Shive did not have to draw Elliot's face.

Content:

Yeah Nanase! Slap him again! Only this time do it in a policeman outfit and with a chain!
Now, this is also a bit of a doublestandardish violence, but I think this one is probably the most justified out of all the violence seen so far.
Don't Nanase and Elliot talk or anything? You'd think he'd talk to his girlfriend about the things that were bugging him. They had AIM and Email back in 02 right?

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Strip 95

Art:

What art? All I see is text.

Content:

I...have nothing to say. Touché Shive. Touché indeed. A good What The Hell Hero moment, and it would only be better if Nanase really DIDN'T have anything to worry about when it comes to that.
The more cynical side of me likes to think that the 3 readers noticed the same thing I did, and Shive tried to justify it as fast as he could.

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Tune in next time for true love and...uhm...well, there is a 100th strip! How about that?

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Well, glarg. I was doing a count. As it turns out, the 100th strip is 4 strips away.

I forgot to review one. Crud.

I went back and eventually found this one:

Fuck

It was supposed to be Strip 31.

But now it's strip 96.

Strip 96

Art:

Fantastic
Unbelievable
Creative
Kinky

Content:

Yikes this is tense
Only time will tell what happens
Uhm...yeah.

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comments

e X:

Hm I don't really get your problem with the clear result of the fight between Nanase and Elliot. Justin says before the fight that she is better than him. For me, this was always just to establish her as the best fighter (and magic user) in the group. Not that it matters, because, despite being filled with magic and shape-shifters and anime martial arts, there isn't much fighting in this comic.

Also, regarding what Cakeman said, rereading it, Grace and Tedd have almost no exclusive interaction with each other before mysteriously hooking up. Worse, she shows never any interest at all in him, and yet is deemed "teddsexual" in later comics!

Cakman 11th Dec 10

AHR:

Mainly that despite Nanase being better, Elliot is not exactly horrible either.

They are probably fairly close, but with an obvious gap.

That means that while it might be an inevitable fight, it won't be a clean fight. Clean as in, OHKO, not cheating. Elliot used a move that caused harm, but unlike EVERY move that Nanase did, it was not a physical move. That is what makes it even worse.

I just feel that it's veering into 'Would Not Hit A Girl' territory. I consider the whole 'she's too fast to be hit' Lightning Bruiser / Fragile Speedster thing to be this as well, albeit that's more of me seeing unfortunate implications than anything.

Cakman 11th Dec 10

Silver 2195:

I see your point about the fight; I have similar issues regarding the fights in One Piece. OK, Luffy hit Alvida and Usopp hit Miss Merrychristmas, but both of them were Gonks to the point that they barely looked human, let alone female.

Cakman 11th Dec 10

AHR:

It's interesting that you mention One Piece. It's one of my all time favorite stories of all time, but I do have a vehement hate streak for it.

To the point I wrote my college essay about it I kid you not.

So, quite literally, I had two streams of thought there:

'RARGLEFLARGLE SEXISMMM!'

and

'RARGLEFLARGLE DON'T INSULT ONE PIECE!'

It was amusing.

In all seriousness, yes. More importantly, you would never see Nami or Robin go through...say, what Usopp did when being hit with the bat Mr. 4 had.

Cakman 11th Dec 10

e X:

Without derailing this too much, it is nice to see someone who share my view when it comes to fights involving woman in One Piece. I really love it, but the length to which Oda goes out of the way and avoid putting them in actual, physical fights is nerve-grinding. Just see how he had Usopp defeating Perona! It seems to make huge difference for authors to not only put female characters into fights, but also to get them roughed up once in awhile.

So i guess, I can see your point, AHR, I just don't think that was Shive's intention.

Cakman 11th Dec 10

I do not think it was either. I do think that it's still there though. There is a reason Unfortunate Implications is a trope. There is no doubt in my mind Shive NEVER had the intention to EVER be even REMOTELY sexist.

He still tends to do things that are not exactly, well, free of double standards. It's probably a subconcious thing. We all have stuff like that.

Still enjoy nitpicking it.

Cakman 11th Dec 10

G Ilphon:

You kind of linked to the wrong strip for 100 there.

But remember when I said I've always hated the relations arc? Yeah, this is why. This strip, and the consequences thereof. This strip is the absolute worst strip in all of EGS for me. The ones that follow it would be decent by his current standard if not for the fact that they show he's playing this completely seriously. At the risk of getting over-dramatic, my inner writer howls in pain every time I review this part, mentally or otherwise. Just… ugh. That's not how human interaction works. It's just not.

Cakman 11th Dec 10

Silver 2195:

I think it's believable if we accept that Sarah is too immature to understand her own feelings, but that's a very charitable interpretation, considering that Shive probably wasn't much more mature than Sarah when he wrote that strip.

Cakman 11th Dec 10

Cakman:

Okay, I think I've figured out what my problem with Shive's lampshading is. I normally love self-awareness and 4th wall breaking, but I despise it in this series, though I never really was able to explain why I hated it. Here goes: When Shive lampshades, more often than not, his lampshades lack cleverness. When you lampshade something, you want it to be done in a sly fashion, or an amusing fashion. For instance, in this strip, he has no joke. The IDEA of a school that teaches "anime style martial arts" could be done quite well. But he doesn't have any substance to it. It's merely his means of being able to have anime fanboy fights there.
Dat waist. It's thinner than her head.
What the hell are the motivations to Nanase for dressing like that. There's no other reason other than her being an attention whore. Besides, karate follows a strict code of honor- she'd never train that hard and then not wear the gi when she hit blackbelt.
And OF COURSE Elliot and his girlfriend ARE THE ONLY blackbelts in the class. Of course they are.

My mind is honestly blown quite frequently by what possesses Shive when he draws some of these comics. What did he expect here? People would read it and say "DAH-HAH-HAH! CARROT TOP!" Did he think that was funny? What's the joke there? Is it an attempt to be like, I don't know... A Monty Pythonesque absurdist-type thing? I know it fails at that, but is that what he was originally going for?
Also, I will point out that this is pretty much EGS's equivalent of a Chef Brian strip.

We have another strip here of lampshading. Dan Shive thought of a backstory for the karate school, but didn't think to add a joke. He still seems to think explaining what his joke ACTUALLY IS counts.
What's he holding in the second panel? It seems to be some kind of carton, maybe ice cream, I guess?
A_H_R's sister talks like a black person. It doesn't really relate, but I just wanted to bring it up.

Scaphism, also known as the boats, was an ancient Persian method of execution designed to inflict torturous death. The naked person was firmly fastened within a back-to-back pair of narrow rowing boats (or a hollowed-out tree trunk), with the head, hands and feet protruding. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing severe diarrhea, and more honey would be rubbed on his body to attract insects to the exposed appendages. He or she would then be left to float on a stagnant pond or be exposed to the sun. The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects, which would eat and breed within his or her exposed and increasingly gangrenous flesh. The feeding would be repeated each day in some cases to prolong the torture, so that dehydration or starvation did not provide him or her with the release of death. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Delirium would typically set in after a few days.

Why is Sarah so smug all of a sudden?
Why does Elliot say that they'll "forget this ever happened"? Is it really that embarrassing?

Seductive eyelids again.
Meh. Nothing to this strip really.

What exactly is the point here? Why does she hesitate to take off her shoes even?
The unrealistic diologe bugs me here. This is how the conversation would actually go:

"TAKE OFF YOUR SHOES."

"Oh, okay. Sorry."

End of comic strip. The world is a happier place.

Cakman 18th Dec 10 (edited by: Cakman)

AHR:

Cakman had to go and chase pussy. He will be back at some other point. Or not.

Cakman 18th Dec 10

Cakman:

She was grinding on my dick all night.

In addition to 82, I should also add:

WHAT ELSE WOULD SHE BE DOING ON THE FLOOR LIKE THAT, DAN? SUCKING HIS DICK!? WE DON'T NEED YOU TO TELL US THAT SHE IS REMOVING HER SHOES.

Third panel contains delicious joke explaining.
Fourth panel contains wondrous lazy eye.
Ninth and tenth panel contain shit that nobody cares about.

Could you ever imagine yourself saying "WHAT?!" when you threw a punch in a fight but it missed?

Once again. There is no joke here. Just Elliot stating story flaws. That doesn't make it okay. I don't know how many more times I am going to need to say that.

Once again- he is talking in the third and fourth panels. Why? He wouldn't do that in real life.

OH GOD WHY IS HER FOOT BENT THAT WAY.

Why is he tying his belt around his head? What's the point of that?
I won't even go into joke explaining. Not tonight.

A_H_R's comments made me lol.
And now we have a Mary Sue and a Gary Stu, together as a couple. How delightful.

That idea. That idea is what Shive truly desires to draw. And he would be good at it. Shive would be perfect if he were a middle-aged Japanese man.

Cakman 18th Dec 10

Blazing Hydra:

To nitpick the nitpicking, I have to point out Cakman that Elliot IS NOT a blackbelt. Or at the very least, he's not wearing his belt; it's quite clearly blue in the second colored comic. Blue is indeed a high belt rank, but it's not black; it's either two or three steps below highest rank depending on your school.

Cakman 18th Dec 10

AHR sockpuppeting as Cakman:

Lolno.

I am the EGS MASTER. You cannot do battle with me!

Cakman 18th Dec 10

Cakman:

This is actually a funny strip. It's a great strip, actually. Not only is the joke funny, but the characters talk like normal humans. I am willing to hedge a bet, though, that this fucking joke will come back at some point, and be ruined through repetition. Won't it?

How did Elliot forget about the tradition?
Why is Nanase still kissing the clearly freaked out Elliot?
It's not that hard to dodge a kiss. He could do it easily.
Why not say "No, not right now, Nanase," and be done with it?
If her hair is covering her face, how can Sarah see the kiss?
I have tried the "use one elbow to hold down arm while using the same arm to lift head up" when raepkissing before. It is, for the most part, impossible, because your arm will never find a flat surface to pin. So the position doesn't make sense. Either that, or Nanase has three arms.

What does "nani" mean?
If Nanase is Japanese, she sure doesn't look it.
Speaking logistically here, couldn't the teacher just find anime on youtube?
And once again, our characte goes from dumb to god-mode knowlege.
The teacher's hand has turned into a bloomin' onion from Outback Steakhouse in the fifth panel.

Okay! Godmode Sue is gonna tell HIM a thing or two!
The fact that Nanase is so perfect just makes this lesson ham-fisted.

It doesn't make it okay. Instead of getting this over the course of the strip, we have to get a B^U textwall. It's just forced. And it's coming from, as I said, a Godmode Sue.
Nanase has weird arms in the first panel, but it's a new position, so at least he's trying.

Aw shit. Art shift.
Wait, no. Just closeups with an angled Elliot.
WHERE THE FUCK IS TEDD'S MOUTH

The ice cream place has salt and pepper for your ice cream.

Of course. You love him. It's not more than a crush. Unfortunetly, ANYONE with a crush would say that.

99/100 Why is there confusion.

I like the cat.
We still have no indication that Nanase is asian. In any way.

Cakman 18th Dec 10

On 76: How the hell did you both fail to point out the gigantic HOLE in Nanase? Seriously, it looks like it would've been a perfectly normal picture except that he erased a good portion of her jacket in the area under her left arm (or more likely, accidentally blasted it with a paint can tool and caused it to get turned into part of the gradient). Or are you telling me you think he meant to have her be only six inches deep at the waist? I'm willing to give him at least a tiny smidge of credit.

Cakman's comment on 79 is hilarious, just gotta say. Especially how he links it back to the strip.

Nanase in strip 94's last panel... How on earth did that escape your judgement? Ignoring the dislocated arm, her head has to be turned at least 100 degrees to the right right now, and moreover it looks as though her head stayed in place while the rest of the body swiveled under it.

Ironically the art in strip 95 is some of the best yet, especially the last panel. Too bad he wasted it on a strip with THAT MUCH TEXT.

Brickman 17th Feb 11

I had assumed it was a One Piece waist. My eyes are a bit more accustomed to it, unfortunately.

Art wise, there are things I tend to be desensitized to. For instance, I didn't even realize sidemouths existed for a very long time. So sometimes I miss some anatomically incorrect things. My bad. Feel free to yell at me for it.

MrAHR 20th Feb 11