Erhm, thanks, ^///^; . Good to know people are reading!
Also, I disagree with Tedd not doing perverted things. Most of them seem to consist of using the ray gun so he may do perverted things unto himself.
However, yes, for the most part it's mostly talked about.
I find it interesting that Grace's eyes are visible. It makes me wonder what Tedd put on his so that no one can see his girlish man eyes.
Not only did Shive use a gradient, Shive ALSO used black paint lines! Oooooooh!
That are crooked!
You know, I can see why Shive ended up sticking with black and white. He's not good with coloring. Yeah, he can do it, but for the most part, other than finding out that someone you thought had black hair and it turned out to be red, I'd say it's pretty pointless. However, at the same time, it's not like it stays colored for very long, so there is not much to do there.
I think this is one of the few times we see Grace's lack of antennae when it has not been transformed away.
...WHOAH! The last panel! It's an honest to goodness wrist!
I find it hilarious that Sarah considers Grace wearing Tedd's clothes an emergency. Mostly because she is wearing EXACTLY what Elliot is wearing, and a color swapped version of what Sarah is wearing.
Bad Grace. How dare you try and like video games. Be a girl! A girl damn it!
Tedd's lesbian joke is just forced. I won't comment on how good it is, but it just seems like that Shive was desperately trying to get a way to either inform Tedd that Sarah wanted to boink Elliot, or a little time for Grace to actually be changed.
In the penultimate panel, we see the fossil that is Elliot's dead pan snarker tendencies. I honestly do think he was intended to be the Only Sane Man in this webcomic at first.
It's a good thing she's disguised guys! It would have been REALLY bad if...
If her brothers saw her? I guess? See, that online shopping idea is just getting better and better.
The mental image of Grace's head rising instead of her jaw lowering amuses me greatly. Can you imagine talking to someone whose upper skull rose up ever time they talked?
No Shive, writing the mall in tiny letters up top does NOT make up for the lack of backgrounds that we know you are PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF DOING!
Sarah's jacket confuses me. It looks wayyy too much like a bath robe. Or the gi's that Greg's school has.
Warning! Upcoming Nitpicky Rant:
When I reread this comic, I had one clear picture in my mind. Konata from Lucky Star. Now, I don't like Lucky Star. Nothing against the show, I never was a Seinfeld person much either. However, one thing that always struck me as a bit...creepy... was how Konata seemed...inhuman. Not really a character. A bag of references and jokes with no real substance to her other than to make the male watchers watch one handed. To me, she was not a real person. You may disagree with me, I am not here to start a debate. However, the reason I mention this otherwise unrelated opinion, is because that is what this comic felt to me. Grace did not feel like a real person, or a character at all, and the title only made it worse. I am not going to go in depth on why I viewed the strip this way, for I am not quite sure myself, but that was my gut reaction.
Waists are not bad this strip, but still not very well done. Can't wait until I can start complaining about this sort of thing when it's intentional (Looking at YOU sketchbook!)
Shive does not know how to draw the looking-down-at-a-book view. At all. Seriously, try reading a book in that position!
Lines bled a bit from shirt to Sarah's jacket in the first panel.
There are many things I dislike about Grace. There are many things I dislike about Tedd. However, their relationship is not one of them. In a strange way, I think that they are the best couple in the series. Now, whether that makes it a GOOD relationship remains debatable, but in the series, I say they are easily the most compatible.
The reason I bring this up is because of this joke. I once commented on Tedd getting sexual gratification thanks to an unknowing Grace, which could be seen as some sort of very morally ambiguous dillemma. However, at the same time, Grace has shown here no PROBLEM with nudity, or even pervertedness. THAT, is why I think Grace is a good match with Tedd. Tedd is a kinky guy, and Grace does not mind in the slightest, and probably enjoys it just as much as he does.
Meh joke is still meh joke though.
I would like to see this scenario gender bent. I don't know why, I just do.
Shive, you are no longer allowed to draw people holding things for at least four years. Or at least, not allowed to show people.
Third panel, Sarah now only has two fingers. I'd make an obscure reference to the Season 0 Yu Gi Oh Abridged Series here, but it would just come out badly.
Grace's hair seems to fluctuate between flowing and choppy. One minute it's cascading down her shoulders, the next it seems to be just barely touching it.
Grace's glasses are weird. One lens seems to be circular, and the other...not.
that nobody cares about yettttttt
This is what we call exposition. It is, however, not badly done exposition. Something is happening and we learn alongside with Sarah.
At the same time, this strip annoys me due to the fact that even when done well, exposition is annoying as all hell to sift through. Especially foreshadowy exposition like this. The trope I am specifically complaining about is Writing for the Trade. This is a problem that affects ALL webcomics. Mostly this is averted by either having very long paged updates (like Order Of The Stick) or not having an entirely serious plot where as long as there is a joke, everyone will be fine. This makes large panel'd semi serious comics such as this one, a bit of a pain in the ass.
160. I don't weigh that much. Anyone here do? I have no problem with Shive making it all sciency. My one issue is how that weight is distributed. There is nothing wrong with making a BBW, Shive. I know that Sarah is just as shocked as we are, but if you're going to try and have a Magic Ais Magic A sort of thing going on, you need to keep the OTHER factors plausible as well.
Apparently, Shive is semi-OK with drawing hands holding handbags.
Here we see Grace 1 and Grace 2. Normally, Grace is the cheerfully cheerful Grace from panel 2. Panel 1 Grace is some sort of infection that snuck in, and was not eradicated until...the painted black arc? Maybe?
Shive, if you are going to make a joke, don't lampshade how over used they are. If they are over used, don't make the joke.
The next five should be up later today. We finally get to that seventeenth update I was referring to! Yayz!
What is with these alleyways? They are so...generic.
Once again, Shive tries to set up something with a lampshade. It's a slightly more amusing lampshade than normal, but it's still nonsensically done. Yes, I am aware the nonsense was the joke. I still don't like it. Hello! Nitpicker here.
...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Of call the clichéd, overdone, overused plot devices EVER, Shive not only manages to play it one hundred percent STRAIGHT, but also not even have a JOKE at the end of the strip, instead deciding to have super serious Grace of doom. Because this is a super serious situation. Not only is he dressed like a BANK ROBBER, (mask and everything), he has a knife too. Now, OK, I have not ever been mugged before, so I am not a valid source. However, neither is Shive, which means I get to mock him for it regardless! First of all, dark alleyway, what's up with that? Where in the nine hells is Moperville? Never again do we see ANYTHING that even CLOSELY resembles a city like place AT ALL. Another thing, from what I can tell from what my karate teacher who grew up in the Bronx, people don't go knives immediately. It's two defenseless girls for pete's sake! Why take out a knife, when you could probably beat them to a pulp no problem? I imagine he was some new thug. It was an initiation process and he had to shiv some people in order to get in or something. Then he's going to show up in the year 2013, with a name, a face, and all of these problems retconned and explained, and Shive is going to smugly state how this was totally foreshadowed back in 02.
And that is all I have to say about that.
One thing I do find interesting, Tedd's shirt is now all wrinkly, implying Grace is even MORE skinnier now, and that all of that extra stuff went to that tail. Don't know if it was intentional or not, but if it was, props to Shive for keeping with the soft science, and a slap across the face for making her even more inhumanly skinny.
I think Shive saw this action happening animé style. Or at the very least, animated. Why else do a 360?
In the last gradient filled panel, Grace is not only cross eyed, but she also has a gap in her mouth, hillbilly style. Not very terrifying.
The mugger now looks like he is wearing underwear over his head, as opposed to a ski mask.
...who holds a knife like that? Is that backhand? Normal? I can barely tell!
You know, I am beginning to see why Shive avoids drawing muscle-y characters.
Sarah's eyes have gotten REALLY huge lately. Dunno why.
I hope Shive was fapping to thinking of this when he made that tranformation:
You know, we BARELY see those telekinesis powers. Why did Shive add those? She has a giant erfin armored squirrel tail. She don't need no kinetic abilities.
I will admit, the repent joke always gets a chuckle/smirk out of me.
OH DEAR GOD NO! WHYYYY?????
NO! I REFUSE! I GOD DAMN REFUSE!
STRIP 49! BAD STUPID JOKE!
STRIP 50! SCIENCE BABBLE AND MORE BAD JOKE!
STRIP 51! BAD VIOLENT DOUBLE STANDARD JOKE AND OOC FOR BLONDE ONE!
STRIP 52! GERHMAN AND AMANDA ARE GIVEN NAMES! APATHY ENSUES!
STRIP 53! THE PLOT RE-
Oh...oh it's back now? —phew—
Shive, what happened to those wrists you were drawing so well before?
Sarah has contracted the 'upper skull goes up' disease from Grace.
I just skipped 4 strips Shive. Me no see no improvement. What is this nonsense?
Elliot finally gets one of his two character traits! Huzzah!
—ehem— Spell it with me guys:
A-L-L SPACE R-I-G-H-T
Now go forth, and never make that mistake again or I will find you, take three doses of adderall, and talk nonstop about my love of gay porn.
Tedd actually makes a valid point here. What if him and Elliot were masturbating together while looking at porn?
I'm gonna be honest with you. When I archived binged this for the first time, I didn't read this. I've NEVER read this. That is the ONE benefit of updating like Shive does. When a page like this first comes out, there is nothing else to do, people read it. But now? Dude, you have eight years of comics to get through. Start skimming.
Wait, I still have to read it? ...fine...
So, they made a project...where people morphed werewolf style...only without wolves...and without moons...and it took them until their fourth try to consider that maybe the transformations should not be so painful.
...Tell me what's wrong with this order:
I thought they were supposed to get MORE deadlier over time.
Oh, and something about a dude name Damien breaking them all free and has never been seen before.
So yeah. Whooooohhhhh. Spooooooooooky. Red eyesssssss. And silhouetteessssssssss.
Shive, you fail at nightmare fuel. Just...just stop it. At least until Pandora goes all beasty. Mmkay?
Hands are improving.
Remember that whole fanfiction handling I complained about? Yeah, this 'time to wake up shade tail' image? Not the least bit of an improvement.
It's just so...lame...and...pathetic...and practically screams to me "PLEASE CARE ABOUT GRACE DON'T YOU JUST WANNA HUG HER SHE'S A WOOBIE YOU KNOW A TOTAL WOOBIE JUST GIVE HER A HUG CAUSE YOU TOTALLY FEEL SORRY FOR HER RIGHT?"
No, Shive, no I do not.
11th Dec '10 8:47:49 AM flag for mods
Fusionman: Horray for foreshadowing!
11th Dec 10
Okay, first of all, I am confused. Is the little half-circle beneath Tedd's glasses suppossed to be his mouth or his nose? If it's his mouth, why does it never open, and if it's his nose, then how does he speak?
I disagree with AHR in that I like the coloring more than the B&W. At the same time though, SOLID COLORS DO NOT COUNT AS BACKGROUNDS.
Also let it be known that the second to last panel went out of its way to explain the joke. For Christ's sake, Shive. Even Not Another Teen Movie didn't explain their glasses joke.
Enough. Peter Molyneux made a game that you enjoyed. Move on.
When did Grace become interested in video games? It seemed as though Black And White was the first one she played.
When did Grace make the character switch from being seriously worried about her safety to an anime girl?
You know, this is actually really cool, because I had just been thinking to myself as I clicked on this strip that El Goonish Shive was an awesome webcomic, but I felt like it could use more jokes that revolve around Tedd being interested in sexual activity, and WHAM! Just like that, Shive reads my mind!
I was curious to understand what book Grace was reading. According to Amazon, this◊ is the strategy guide to Black and White. And it is clearly not the book Grace is reading. Grace appears to be reading either an old hardcover book with no cover picture, or a text book with a book sock.
AHR, might I suggest that you take out the word "yet" from your foreshadowing line above.
Once again those friggin smug title cards are back. You can only pretend that you knowing something we don't is important if we give a damn about it in the first place.
Man, that last sentence I just typed was long-winded.
Speaking of Long winded, when the fuck are we going to find out who Grace is, besides the sister of a Gargoyle silhouette?
A_H_R, I will rape you if you bring up anything relating to Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged series again. Let's deal with one bad series at a time. bringitupgain bringitupagain bringitupagain bringitupagain bringitupagain bringitupagain
I agree with you, AHR. Only fatsos weigh anything more than 160 pounds.
I spent five minutes laughing at Grace's eyes in the last panel. Seriously- use your fingers to cover the screen above and below her eyes. It makes her look like Garfield in those old 4chan comics◊
It's not Dude Where's my Car references you need to worry about, Dan. I actually don't even recall the first one. It's Clerks that you need to stay away from. In fact, let go of Clerks, and you can reference Dude Where's My Car all you want. Let us keep the good comedies.
Grace's line in the second panel strikes me as... Conceited. Oh well. At least this arc seems so far to be only boring, and not ass-pullingly contrived and convoluted!
Brb. I'll add my comments on the rest when I get back.
11th Dec 10
I suppose I will actually lump this strip and the next together content-wise, so art first:
What the eff is up with Grace's profile in the last panel? She looks like Droopy Dog.
45 and a half and 46
Okay, allow me, for a minute, to pause, so that I might explain why I made the earlier joke about this arc not being convoluted. I feel that a paragraph form better expresses my disdain for this particular sequence.
Let us assume, for the moment, that the Mall would not let the girls back in just to exit in the proper area. Let us also assume that the Mall has a bizarre gap in the middle of it, I suppose separating its halves. We may also assume that, somehow, that it gets dark at 5:00 wherever this webcomic takes place, as that is the time that Sarah said the mall closed. Assuming all that, at what point do you think the man in the alleyway here decided that a profitable place to mug people would be outside of a mall? Just... Waiting in between buildings. What is his shtick? He waits there after closing and hopes that a maximum of two people take the shortcut? What if there's a group of people? What if no one shows up? And if it is dark out (dark to the point that they could not see the man coming), why is he wearing a ski mask? And if the first panel is to be believed, since he is hiding behind the garbage can, what if someone came from the other side? Would he just sit there, crouching, pretending to be innocent? What if a security officer took a stroll around the Mall grounds, you know, like they always do? Wouldn't they see the guy in the ski mask needlessly brandishing a knife? And why would the mugger even be OUTSIDE the mall when there is obviously going to be a Mall Security team nearby? And moving onto 47, we get even more nonsense. This man, whose head is apparently four inches tall, jumps out of a dark alleyway on what he thinks is two defenseless teenage girls, only to see one of them start crying, and then morph before his eyes into a giant, mutated crossbreed between a squirrel and a human. He SAW this happen. He knows that it isn't a costume or anything. She sprouted fur and teeth in front of his very eyes. And yet, for whatever reason, this doesn't seem to bother him. HE'S STILL GOING TO TRY AND ROB THEM. It is only after the squirrel uses its telekinetic powers to take his knife away that his brain decides that something odd has happened. The animorph routine didn't disturb him at all? And why the hell did Grace even NEED to turn into an animal if she was only going to use telekinesis? Can she not use it when in human form? He could have put SOME kind of action scene in here, but no. We get a needless transformation, only to have her just take away his knife magically. Which, of course, makes him run away, and, being the frail and fragile female that she is, Grace immediately has too much strain on her body, passing out. AC, get your black avatar'ed ass over here and explain what the hell is going on.
You know, South Park did a simaler gag to this when they reenacted Great Expectations, by having Malcom Mcdowell play the narrator, introducing himself as "Hello. I am a British Man." Notice he didn't say "stereotypical British man," because the joke IS that he is stereotypical, and it leaves the audience to figure that out on their own.
And it's a good thing that we have this segment. We certainly wouldn't want anything interesting to happen, right?
LOL WHAT DOES ROLLERBLADING HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT'S SO RANDUM xD
The world is dead to me.
Dan Shive has the comedic abilities of Leukemia.
This woman is the feminist equivalent of Amos and Andy.
"You told me it was soda" adds nothing to the strip. Why add it? It's not a punch line. It's not a joke. It's just an afterthought following the actual punchline delivered by the doctor.
Smug title cards return, and I grit my teeth down another millimeter.
All of my life is blackness. Sometimes, I hold a knife to my wrists, pushing harder and harder, just watching to see how much I can take. I can't feel anything anymore. Even the pain, which used to be the only emotion that seemed to seperate me from a robot, no longer exists for me. A dull, emotionless throb of gray permeates my very existance.
Actually, the joke is delivered well here.
And the title card calls attention to the joke. You know. In case you didn't fucking read it.
HEY GUYS. TEDD HAS A PENIS. WERE YOU AWARE?
From now on, whenever a joke involving Ted being a pervert is made, I will post a link to El Goonish Shive porn,◊ as I find it to be quite hilarious. Oh God, Grace's face in that picture. If I run out of picture, God damn it, I'll make my own.
LOLOLOL Shive, that's silly, you shouldn't make bad words when playing scrabble.
Ted makes a great point here. What if him and Elliot were masturbating together while looking at porn like John and I did that one time?
Way to spoil an awesome plot twist, A_H_R. I would pothole to sarcasm mode, but my sarcasm is so heavy in that sentence that I do not believe the internet could sustain it.
Also, what kind of asshole is Tedd's father that he let Sarah leave with Grace knowing full well what might happen?
...ARE YOU FUCKING WITH ME?
THIS IS, WITHOUT A DOUBT, HANDS-DOWN, THE WORST FUCKING WAY YOU COULD POSSIBLY DEAL WITH A BACKSTORY. Rather than letting us learn the information over time, Shive decides to fucking textwall us in a single strip. And you know what? Fuck him. I'm not reading this. Grace has magic powers and spookables are out to get her. That's all I need to know, and I figured that out just by guessing, as it's the same god damn storyline used to make it deaden any female's strength as an independent character. Jesus. Moving on.
The character in the first panel looks like he'd be interesting. Let's have a webcomic about HIM.
Man, this is invigorating. I feel so alive. Then again, I suppose I'm being a giant hypocrite criticizing Shive for textwalling.
11th Dec 10
Oh, Cakman, I was not referring to Little Kuriboh's Abridged Series. I am referring to the abridged series made of the separate Yu Gi Oh series, called 'Season Zero' by most fans.
11th Dec 10
Well, I'm glad you feel so keen to be raped, A_H_R. Eager Beavers, no pun intended, are always appreciated
11th Dec 10
Good lord, some of those are terrible. That is an absolutely awful Wall Of Text on the exposition page. I'm really glad that the Painted Black arc, which is where I've always thought things started getting good, ends up going over it in proper detail, actually coming close to Ret Conning parts of it, and IIRC, it's not particularly important until then.
How the hell did I suffer through that page the first time? I mean, Shive still isn't great at working in exposition organically, but geez.
11th Dec 10
Pretty darn late here, but in strip 53, 'Alright' is a perfectly legitimate way to spell that word.
Hey Cakman, where'd you find that picture? Got any more like it?
27th Jan 11
Wait...Elliot knows Sarah is interested in him?
Cakman: I'm pretty sure she always was an anime girl.
I guess there really is someone for everyone.
Wait...Shive can mention the game "Black and White" by name, but he had to use an expy for Roger Ebert?
Lampshading overused jokes makes me think of a line from a Nostalgia Critic video: "If you say you're doing something painful and stupid, it's immediately no longer painful and stupid."
15th Jul 13
I'm with the mugger. Pretty sure John mentioned this in the Book of Revelation.
"And the eighth seal was opened, and lo I saw a teenage girl transform into a hairy squirrel woman with telekinetic powers. And I did vow from that day forth never to eat that kind of mushroom again. Amen."
49 - 50
I got nothin'.
15th Jul 13
I guess threatening a woman with a knife isn't offensive?
I thought it was funny.
Hey Shive, I don't suppose you'd be kind enough to tell us what the hell Sarah is talking about...alright fine, stop crying. I wasn't that interested anyway.
Sorry, but I don't remember the last time I saw it spelled "all right".
A cat? Not exactly the most tragic fate in a transformation comic. At least she got better.
To quote Jake from Adventure Time, "Drama bomb!"
Normally I don't comment on the art, but this color scheme and font size literally hurts my eyes. Thank goodness for the zoom function.
I know when I think "deadly assassin", I think guinea pig.
Oh my god the webcomic is turning into Jack! *gasps* Oh, just a dream.