Line #8 YMMV/Thunderball


1	!!The film:
2	* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Fiona Volpe's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Bond can come off as SelfDeprecation towards the [[QuestionableConsent infamous]] SexFaceTurn scene in ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' between Bond and Pussy Galore.
3	* AluminiumChristmasTrees: Rather awesomely, the jetpack Bond uses in the opening scene is not a made-up technology, or even special effects -- it was [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderball_(film)#Filming a very real]] Bell Rocket Belt. It still had its sound replaced with a [[RealityIsUnrealistic "more realistic"]] fire extinguisher noise, however.
4	* AssPull: Q never once explains to Bond that the infra-red underwater camera has a built-in Geiger counter (only that the watch does) which comes as something of a surprise when Domino uses it later on in the film. (In the commentary, actor Creator/DesmondLlewelyn complained that his favourite part of the Q scene ended up on the cutting-room floor; perhaps the explanation was part of that bit.) This is an adaption-induced mistake, as the book version of the device had the Geiger counter in the camera and a measuring dial on the watch connected by a thin wire up Bond's sleeve.
5	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Probably the only Bond film to have had ''four'' songs recorded.
6	** Music/ShirleyBassey was the first to record a theme, after the success of ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'', and called [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4m9ptFefwo "Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang"]]. An instrumental version of "Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" is heard at various points during the movie as a kind of secondary leitmotif. After some apparent problems with Bassey's singing, Music/DionneWarwick was brought in to do another take of the same song. The producers planned to use the Warwick version of "Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" over the end credits, until Shirley Bassey sued. The Warwick version of "Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" is featured in its entirety on the secondary commentary track of the ''Thunderball'' laserdisc/DVD/Blu-ray.
7	** The one they eventually went with was [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8DbPSXzvxg&feature=related Tom Jones' iconic "SO HE STRIKES! Like thunderball..." track.]] The film was set to go with Warwick's version "Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", but at the last minute the producers insisted that, no, the theme ''had'' to have the word "Thunderball" in it, so a new song was hastily written to be recorded by Tom Jones and parts of the film were rescored to feature the instrumental version of that song as a leitmotif too. Music/TomJones actually ''passed out'' after holding that really long note at the end.
8	** Music/JohnnyCash ([[CountryMusic of all people]]) also recorded a song, also called "Thunderball", and submitted it to the EON producers. Unsurprisingly, it sounded too like a [[TheWestern western]] for a Bond film. Still, sometimes one likes to imagine that in a AlternateUniverse Cash's music is the theme for a ''[[Series/TheWildWildWest Wild Wild West]]'' movie starring Robert Conrad and Ross Martin...
9	* CompleteMonster: [[TheHeavy Emilio Largo]] is the sadistic, cruel NumberTwo of SPECTRE. Plotting to blackmail the world at large, Largo has a pilot murdered to have an agent steal his identity, leaving the man to drown [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness when his usefulness is expended]], and stealing two NATO warheads. Largo showcases a willingness to [[SharkPool feed failed agents to sharks]], and is an [[TortureTechnician enthusiast for torture]], with one British agent taking cyanide to avoid that fate. Later torturing his mistress Domino, Largo reveals he plans to [[NukeEm nuke Miami]] when his ransom isn't met.
10	* EnsembleDarkhorse: Chillingly insightful DarkActionGirl Fiona Volpe is a frequent fan favourite when [=SPECTRE=] agents are discussed.
11	* FairForItsDay: Having the Bond Girl be the one who actually kills the BigBad seems pretty feminist for 1965. To this day, Domino remains one of only [[Film/FromRussiaWithLove two]] [[BondGirl Bond Girls]] to kill their film's primary villain.
12	* MagnificentBastard: The beautiful seductress [[FemmeFatale Fiona Volpe]] is a dangerous SPECTRE Agent assigned to aid Emilio Largo in his plan to steal two nukes and hold the world hostage. Volpe seduces a French pilot and helps Angelo Palazzi murder and impersonate him, negotiating a deal when Palazzi demands higher pay for his services. Volpe later [[YouHaveFailedMe executes the incompetent Count Lippe]] with a missile loaded motorbike. While investigating Bond, Volpe captures his ally Paula, before seducing and capturing Bond, [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech mocking his attempt to seduce her in turn]]. After a stroke of luck allows Bond to escape her clutches, Volpe is able to follow the blood trail left behind by the injured agent and corners him in a club, an encounter that results in his near death.
13	* {{Narm}}:
14	** Bond clobbering the SPECTRE agent in the opening is a well-staged and hard-hitting fight scene, but it's undermined by the fact that the SPECTRE agent is in '''drag'''.
15	** The sheer amount of furniture destroyed during the aforementioned clobbering can also induce a few chuckles.
16	** Bond on the overcranked stretching machine DeathTrap is supposed to be something that has the audience on the edge of their seats, but it just looks ridiculous. Quite frankly, he looks like he's humping the table.
17	** The name "Disco Volante". Yes, it means "Flying Saucer" in Italian, but "disco" has [[DiscoSucks other connotations]] nowadays.
18	** Even then, "Flying Saucer" is hardly an intimidating name for a boat.
19	* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: The plot using a nuclear weapon to extort a ransom was considered a unique idea when this film came out. Now it's become one of the most cliched [[EvilPlan Evil Plans]] in the book.
20	* OneSceneWonder: Patricia Fearing the nurse, especially when she's out of uniform and being massaged. This is true on a larger level, too. Due to a dispute with her agent, Fearing's actress Molly Peters was unable to follow up on the career bump even one-scene Bond girls usually got--she never landed another major film role. An unfortunate waste of such a lovely actress.
21	* {{Padding}}: The biggest criticism that the film receives is for the excess of underwater scenes. As beautiful as they are, it is often agreed that they last longer than they should.
22	* QuestionableCasting: Screenwriter Richard Maibaum criticized the casting of Creator/AdolfoCeli, complaining that he had to create other villains to make Largo look more threatening.
23	* {{Sequelitis}}: After three progressively stronger instalments, this is often seen as the first Bond film to be at least slightly inferior to its predecessor.
24	* SpecialEffectsFailure:
25	** The final battle on the Disco Volante is obviously sped up.
26	** The fighter jet landing underwater floats and bounces a lot more than a jet weighing several tons would do underwater.
27	** The back-projector used to show Paul Stassino as [[spoiler:both Francois Derval and his impersonator Angelo Palazzi is very clear, as the footage is a completely different quality to the standard film. More modern films handled the concept of the same actor playing two roles at the same time in a much less obvious manner.]]
28	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Local agent Paula Caplan is a rare MsFanservice character who seems to have an entirely professional relationship with Bond and makes some good contributions to his investigation, but she isn't fleshed out very much and [[spoiler:dies a completely avoidable death after being abducted for what is largely {{Padding}}.]]
29	* ToughActToFollow: ''Thunderball'' is still well-regarded in its own right. However, it usually isn't considered as good as its [[Film/{{Goldfinger}} predecessor]] either, especially since the latter film is one of the biggest contenders for best in the series.
30	* ValuesDissonance:
31	** Bond blackmails a civilian woman into sleeping with him. The best you can say is he didn't intend to do it, but he's quite willing to take advantage of her misconception. The fact that she's wearing a big goofy grin indicates she's deliberately PlayingHardToGet, but that doesn't make it much less creepy. Even worse in that the book simply had Bond flirt with Fearing, agree on a date, and do it consensually later on.
32	** The cold open has a SPECTRE agent DisguisedInDrag give himself away because there's no way a woman would ever open a car door for herself. This SpotTheThread moment ''really'' wouldn't work today.
33	** These days the filmmakers would never get away with harpooning a real, live shark on-screen.
34	* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The underwater scenes in this movie are revolutionary for the time period, but what's truly impressive is how well they've aged. Most of the underwater sequences, especially the war at the end, still look downright beautiful today.
35	* TheWoobie: Domino. She's the mistress of a sadist, her brother gets murdered and Bond is using her to get to Largo.
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37	!!The novel:
38	* FairForItsDay: As with the movie, having Domino be the one who kills the BigBad and saves Bond (and in this case after enduring hours of torture) seems pretty progressive for 1961.
39	* FetishRetardant: Bond and Domino get turned on by sucking out sea urchin venom. Eew.
40	* MoralEventHorizon: Pierre Borraud, who is Number 12 on SPECTRE's board, establishes himself as a loathsome man by [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping a hostage]] his organization took in exchange for ransom. Thankfully, Blofeld dealt with his henchman's conduct by subjecting him to a HighVoltageDeath during the [[BoardToDeath SPECTRE board meeting]]. In one of his rare PetTheDog moments, Blofeld even returns half the ransom money to the victim's family to compensate for his mook's heinous actions.
41	* OlderThanYouThink: Bond gets sent to Shrublands to "detox".
42	* OvershadowedByControversy: Whenever you hear people discussing ''Thunderball'', it's usually less about the merits of the novel and more about the intense copyright infringement fiasco between Ian Fleming and Kevin [=McClory=], who claims credit for the novel's conceptualization.
43	* ValuesDissonance:
44	** Bond is impressed by Domino, because she "drives like a man". (In the movie, he says she "swims like a man.")
45	** Creator/IanFleming also goes on a very clear AuthorTract about how having four women in a car is bound to cause terrible accidents because the driver will turn around to chat with her friends and probably cause a car crash.

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