Line #45 YMMV/Mother2017


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2	* AlternateAesopInterpretation: A number of critics don't see the movie as a neo-Biblical allegory about environmentalism, as Creator/DarrenAronofsky insists, but as a symbolic take on how artists commit MuseAbuse for their art, and are trapped in cycles of exploiting their world for material for their art.
3	-->'''Richard Brody:''' Aronofsky has long strained after art of a vast mythopoetic magnitude. In "Mother!," he achieves it--[[DeathOfTheAuthor but not at all in the way that he thinks]]. This morning, on Website/{{Twitter}}, someone asked me, "What was the point of the biblical references if the movie is basically about how much it sucks to be in a relationship with a male artist?," to which my response was, "Exactly." In other words, "mother!" isn't an allegory except [[WordOfGod by directorial decree]].
4	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
5	** The biggest debate -- is Him genuinely remorseful for what he's put mother through or is it all part of the sadistic game he's playing to [[TrueArtIsAngsty fuel his ability to write]], especially since the film makes it clear he's willing to [[EternalRecurrence let it all happen again]]? Did he ever really love her at all? And, as she brings up, does he even truly love the houseguests or does he merely love the adoration they give Him, and have a gossip-hound's interest in hearing their "stories" above caring for their welfare? (Keep in mind Him letting the guests run wild causes them immense suffering -- disproportionately so for the women -- and, assuming he is aware of the cycle, leads to them all dying horribly by fire.) Who is truly to blame for the atrocities in the story, the houseguests or Him? (Given the central metaphor of the film, this ties in to RealLife theological arguments about how a supposedly benevolent God could create a world filled with suffering and demand worship from its inhabitants.)
6	** Along these lines, how much do the guests really deserve what they get? Quite a few of them are monsters, clearly, but we see that at least some of them were children brought there by their parents, and many of them are abused, enslaved and even raped and murdered by other guests. We see that some of the guests, at least initially, are willing to help mother -- one soldier protecting her from the others, a doctor helping her through labor. Are we meant to take the ending as a straight HumansAreBastards message or is it more of a tragedy that [[GaiasVengeance mother's vengeance]] falls on the guilty and innocent alike? Obviously this also ties in with RealLife theology and questions of collective vs. individual guilt as well as the concept of original sin. Note that while the inhabitants of the house are at war prior to the baby's birth, afterwards they seem to be at peace and united -- and all participate in the wild mob that ends up killing the baby, and everyone that we can see also participates in the TwistedEucharist and in giving mother a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown for interrupting it. Aside from fitting the final arc of the film this sudden unity may reflect the Christian doctrine that all humans bear the spiritual guilt of the Crucifixion.
7	** The Woman. Is her advice to mother inappropriately familiar and demeaning, part of a {{Jerkass}} habit of putting down the younger woman to make herself feel better? Or is it genuinely well-meaning advice from someone with greater experience of the world -- especially of men -- that mother just doesn't want to hear? How you feel about Woman may depend on the degree to which you see the film's message as specifically feminist.
8	** There's some theories in regards [[spoiler:what the baby represents]]. Some argue it [[spoiler:represents Jesus Christ and his eventual death and humanity's involvement in his death (which would explain the TwistedEucharist)]] but others [[spoiler:argue the baby represents the essence of life created by Mother and the baby's brutal death representing humanity destroying the last living resource it has]]. Do [[spoiler:the house guests truly feel regret on killing it? Was the killing accidental or was it just them being twisted? The accidental part tends to come in due to the fact they were crying after it was killed and beforehand they seemed to be worshipping it but the twisted part comes with the fact ''they proceeded to gut and eat its remains]]''.
9	* AluminumChristmasTrees: Many reviewers mention the odd-looking octagonal house in the middle of a mysteriously isolated meadow as contributing to the surreal atmosphere of the film. Of course, the house wasn't built for the film -- it was an existing abandoned house found by location scouts in Yonkers, NY, and it turns out both the design of the house and layout of the grounds were fairly typical of country homes in the Victorian era.
10	* {{Anvilicious}}:
11	** It's hard for a movie this confusing to be accused of this, but people agree the houseguests are such monsters that the movie's condemnation of whatever they represent -- misogyny, capitalism, organized religion, pollution -- is really over-the-top. Indeed, it is specifically comparing them to doing the worst thing most people can imagine doing ([[spoiler:killing and cannibalizing a baby]]).
12	** The movie is also very clear about its message about how humans are bad and takes this to the absolute extreme. The film gets to the point where it is outright cheering on mother who is [[spoiler:instigating a species-wide genocide]].
13	* AudienceAlienatingPremise: SurrealHorror that uses elements of everyday household drama as a complex allegory for Literature/TheBible and the darkness of human history is not a new genre. It's been the premise of acclaimed works as diverse as ''Theatre/TheSkinOfOurTeeth'' and ''VideoGame/TheBindingOfIsaac''. It has, however, generally been a tough sell to ordinary moviegoers, which motivated Creator/{{Paramount}}'s questionable decision to market it as a "regular" horror movie.
14	* BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
15	** The heart Mother finds in the toilet. It's clearly different from the omnipresent heart in the walls of the house. It's implied it belongs to the Woman -- Mother finds it while picking up the mess Woman has left around the house including bloody tissues by the bathroom sink -- but Woman appears to have suffered no change at all to herself from losing her heart and the matter is never brought up again. (Perhaps the message is that there are a lot of women in the world who tear out their own hearts on a regular basis, until such a thing becomes a minor nuisance like defecating or menstruating.)
16	** A frog is in the basement for no other apparent purpose than to surprise Mother.
17	* BrokenAesop: Darren Aronofsky [[https://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/darren-aronofsky-says-mother-is-about-climate-change-but-hes-wrong has stated in interviews]] that the film is a parable for environmentalism and climate change. The problem is that [[spoiler:the ending's theme of EternalRecurrence, where a new mother and new house emerge from the previous one's ashes, seems to undermine climate change activists' warnings of irreversible harm and affirm denialists' belief that climate change is a matter of "natural cycles" that naturally repair themselves]].
18	* BrokenBase: [[spoiler:Over the baby's death and eventual gutting. Most film goers absolutely ''hated'' the scene due to it [[EveryoneHasStandards being incredibly violent and sickening]] while others do feel the scene comes off as fitting with the movie's message, {{Anvilicious}} or not. There's no actual middle ground as most people can't decide if it was just a shock death for the sake of terrifying the audience. Also borderlines into NauseaFuel too]].
19	* CatharsisFactor: Mother [[spoiler:briefly manages to kill some of the fanatics who killed and ate her baby]]. Unfortunately, it's followed by [[spoiler:the cultists nearly beating her to death and verbally abusing her]], but it becomes somewhat cathartic again when [[spoiler:she destroys the house and burns the whole cult to ashes]].
20	* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[GodIsEvil Him]], Mother's husband, is a poet who [[ItsAllAboutMe values only the insatiable adoration of all around him]]. Hungry for the love of his fans, Him lures in numerous fans and allows them to descend into violence, slavery, sexual assault, and murder. [[DomesticAbuse Abusing his devoted wife]], Him takes their child and allows his followers to [[WouldHurtAChild rip the baby apart]] and [[EatsBabies eat it]]. At the end, with everyone dead, Him murders Mother as well and begins the cycle over again, as he has done countless times before.]]
21	* CriticalDissonance: A case where critics for the most part largely ''liked'' the film, with it landing 69% Fresh on Website/RottenTomatoes. Audiences, however, gave it a [=CinemaScore=] of F. Even critics themselves have been dissonant towards it, as the awards have been polarizing: on one hand, it has been nominated for several awards at film festivals, including the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival; on the other, it was nominated for three [[UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward Razzies]].
22	* CultClassic: After the opening weekend, Paramount's marketing seemed to be aiming for this -- the ad campaign acknowledged and even celebrated the extremely polarized reviews.
23	-->"Some people love it"\
24	''screenshots of several five-star reviews''\
25	"Some people... don't"\
26	''disgusted quote from a negative review''\
27	[[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity "But no one can stop talking about it."]]
28	* DontShootTheMessage: Many reviewers, especially female critics, take pains to note that they understand the feminist message Aronofsky is pushing but find the {{Gorn}}, {{Wangst}} and [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory pretentious biblical symbolism]] to all undermine the effectiveness of the message and make the film an unpleasant slog, especially for actual survivors of abuse. As with most movies like this, the question is raised of whether it's worth using such trauma-inducing or otherwise disturbing material without any meaningful catharsis at the end.
29	* EnsembleDarkhorse: Many reviewers who otherwise hated the film loved Creator/EdHarris and Creator/MichellePfeiffer in it. Pfeiffer, in particular, has come in for praise, to the point of people rooting for her character against Creator/JenniferLawrence. One reviewer even called Pfeiffer's performance here "the best of her career."
30	* EpilepticTrees:
31	** Due to the film having few little plot details revealed before its release, theories regarding the characters and setting were everywhere, like one of the theories being that the film is a remake of ''Film/RosemarysBaby'', due to one of the [[http://www.impawards.com/2017/mother_ver5_xxlg.html former's]] [[https://www.instagram.com/p/BYGf2DilgJ3/?hl=en&taken-by=darrenaronofsky posters]] being a homage to the [[http://www.impawards.com/1968/rosemarys_baby.html latter.]]
32	** Post-release, the speculation hasn't let up on what the message of the film is or what it's primarily supposed to be about. There's a broad consensus on what the none-too-subtle [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory biblical allusions]] are, but whether the film allegorizes Literature/TheBible for its own sake or as a metaphor for something else is up for debate. [[WordOfSaintPaul Jennifer Lawrence]] has indicated her impression was Aronofsky's main goal was pushing a GreenAesop, but this is the interpretation [[DeathOfTheAuthor many critics specifically find least interesting]].
33	* HarsherInHindsight:
34	** Creator/JenniferLawrence playing a wife subjected to neglect by her perfectionistic and narcissistic writer husband took on a new edge when Creator/DarrenAronofsky started dating her in RealLife during the course of filming. Many pointed out Aronofsky and Lawrence's relationship having the same MayDecemberRomance dynamic as Him and mother in the film. However, they broke up just a few months after the film's release, considerably easing back this subtext.
35	*** The fact that an apparent reason for the breakup was Aronofsky being unable to understand or accept audiences' criticism and disdain for the movie also makes Him and mother's relationship fall under this.
36	** Related to the above point, the image of Him's new work opening to unanimous acclaim and support sort of becomes this when juxtaposed with the actual film opening to anything but a unanimous response, let alone a positive one.
37	* HilariousInHindsight: One TV spot showed off the film's original "certified fresh" stamp from Rotten Tomatoes. This was before the film's score dropped to less than 70%, thereby removing its certified fresh status.
38	* ItWasHisSled: The "shocking moment" that Paramount hyped up became well-known after release, although it's really hard to argue that [[spoiler:the guests eating a dead baby]] is something people wouldn't talk about.
39	* {{Narm}}: Some might find the climax narm-ful rather than horrifying, especially given the blatant religious symbology throughout the earlier parts. Case in point, [[spoiler:Creator/KristenWiig's character dual-wielding shotguns to execute several people]] is bound to leave some viewers lost in disbelief at the actress PlayingAgainstType as opposed to being scared of what she actually does. People have had similar reactions to the insanely rapid escalation from house-party-going-poorly to an outright dystopian WretchedHive, and the houseguests ending up a not-even-human HiveMind of brainwashed zombies. (The guests instantly switching emotions on cue at the end of the film is either the creepiest or narmiest part of the movie.)
40	* NarmCharm: For those who liked the film and were able to stay emotionally invested in it, the sheer illogical absurdity of the TraumaCongaLine mother is made to endure just strengthens her pathos. The Narm Charm arguably starts with how much Man and Woman (whom most critics liked) play into [[TheThingThatWouldNotLeave comedic "bad houseguest" clichés]]. At least one reviewer explicitly told audience members "It's okay to laugh at this movie" (even if, toward the end, it's MirthlessLaughter).
41	* NauseaFuel: Opinions are divided on whether seeing [[spoiler:the baby's stripped carcass]] was genuinely, meaningfully horrifying or just a cheap way to shock and disgust the audience.
42	* OlderThanTheyThink: Many people noted that an art-house movie about a couple living in a house in an out-of-the-way place filled with heavy themes of Christian and Gnostic allegory existed before this film: Creator/LarsVonTrier's ''Film/AntiChrist''.
43	* SpiritualAdaptation: This film has many similarities in setting, themes and core conceit to the legendarily unfilmable ''Theatre/TheSkinOfOurTeeth'' by Creator/ThorntonWilder.
44	* SpiritualSuccessor: This movie, like Aronofsky's previous film ''Film/{{Noah}}'', is an adaptation of the Literature/BookOfGenesis, albeit an allegorical adaptation rather than a literal one. The themes are also similar -- focusing on humanity's depravity and abuse of the natural world -- although this time the outlook begins quite positive and gets bleaker while ''Noah'' went in the opposite direction.
45	* TearJerker: See [[TearJerker/Mother2017 here]].
46	* TooBleakStoppedCaring: By act two, one might begin to wonder if there's any real positive traits to any of the characters. Many may come from the movie feeling completely unattached to any of them, and that instead of being a arthouse horror examining the cost of art on relationships to instead be an odd narcissistic glorification of Aronofsky's creative processes instead, [[spoiler:especially since Him is rewarded at the end with a younger wife and a brand new house to repeat his cycle of creating things, rather than experience any punishment for arguably driving his wife (and however many other wives in previous cycles) to their deaths.]]
47	** Let's all be honest here: The film becomes a painful watch when it comes to the [[spoiler:abuse and psychological torment [[TheWoobie mother]] suffers throughout the film, treated poorly by the house guests who are either [[{{Jerkass}} assholes]] or [[LoonyFan are obsessed with Him's work]] and disregard her as nobody important, all while [[SmallNameBigEgo Him]] pretty much pushes her aside so he can be better appreciated by everyone around him]]. By the time [[spoiler:[[NeverLiveItDown the baby scene]] comes around, you're basically cheering for her [[GaiasRevenge full blown apocalypse as she wipes out humanity]] '''''[[TakingYouWithMe with herself via fire]]''''' because she definitely deserves to release her rage]].
48	* TheWoobie: Mother is the physical embodiment of the Earth itself as well as the dutiful wife — and muse — of Him. Throughout the film, mother's sanity began to unravel when Him carelessly allows several people to invade the house to sate his ego. Upon becoming pregnant, waves of Him's rabid followers infiltrate the house, indulging in several degeneracies such as mass murder, slavery, and war. Despite tensions softening after mother gave birth, Him pries her son from her and presents him to the crowd. Being forced to helplessly watch her son get ripped apart and eaten by the hordes, mother tries to kill several of Him's followers only to be overpowered and stripped and beaten relentlessly. Even though she succeeds at wiping out the crowds by setting the house ablaze, the ending reveals mother was one of the many incarnations of Mother Nature, meaning she was condemned to suffer endlessly due to the cyclical nature of creation versus destruction.

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