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3	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
4	** Just for a moment, let's look at the movie from Kruge's point of view. His talk about Kirk being ''"an enemy of intergalactic peace!"'', and his fears that ''"The Federation, in creating an ultimate weapon, has become a gang of intergalactic criminals!"'', both sound like loony rants. But what if he ''believes'' that? What if Kruge is doing the wrong things for the right reasons? If he is under the mistaken belief that the top secret Project Genesis is really a super-weapon, then everything he does could be interpreted as a loyal subject of the empire trying to protect his people from their sworn enemy. Remember that the Klingon/Federation conflict was always intended to be a allegory of Cold War tensions, and that this movie came out at arguably the height of those tensions.....
5	*** Kruge is absolutely correct— the Federation HAS developed a horrific weapon, regardless of intent. We have now weapons that could destroy the planet if we wanted, so, obviously, these Trek powers can do that as well. What if our nuclear weapons turned what was nuked into a flower garden, without any of that pesky radiation... well, that seriously raises the cost to of using them, doesn’t it? And from the Klingon point of view, Genesis went far from terraforming a planet to destroying a nebula, one truly terrifying power.
6	*** Particularly since the previous film [[NoManShouldHaveThisPower had both David and Dr. McCoy pointing out its destructive potential]], with David doing so even before Khan got involved.
7	** Similarly, Kruge's killing of the gunner who "accidentally" destroys the ''Grissom''. Was it a Darth Vader-style casual execution of an underling who screwed up? Or were his actions genuine outrage at the needless slaughter of those aboard a defenceless science vessel, only made worse by the gunner's unrepentant attitude and killing of potentially valuable prisoners?
8	*** The latter is certainly possible given what we know about the Klingon honor code. He even insults the gunner as an "animal" meaning that the gunner acted in an uncivilized manner by obeying his bloodthirst rather than obeying Kruge's commands.
9	*** Alternatively, Kruge knows that his actions, if successful, will mean he is hailed as a hero of the Empire. However, if he fails, he will be branded an outlaw and possibly a war criminal, depending on how badly it goes. His desire to disable rather than kill the ''Grissom'' was likely a desire to avoid casualties in case everything went bad. Once he had the deaths of 80 Starfleet officers on his hands, he knew there was no going back, win or lose, and started going all out.
10	** In his review of the comic adaptation of the film, [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] notes that, while some may not find Kruge as memorable a villain as others, he finds a lot more subtlety and depth in his actions than others see, and believes that, after the Klingons had begun to be depicted as a race of bloodthirsty barbarians, Kruge helped move them into the more restrained and intelligent ProudWarriorRaceGuy behavior they became in the rest of the franchise. He particularly points out the scene of Kruge holding his head in his hands after the ''Enterprise'' self-destructs as a powerful moment: Kruge ordered his men into a trap he did not see coming, and for it he not only got them all killed, but their deaths were meaningless. He not only dishonored them, but himself, and is in pain over his failure. When Kirk radios him and offers the secret of the Genesis Project, Kurge seizes it on the hope he can still redeem himself by completing his mission alone.
11	** It’s also worth noting that Genesis became known to everybody in the quadrant because it destroyed an entire nebula. This could very easily be read by the other powers as a massive show of power by the Federation. And David and Saavik trying to assure Kruge that Genesis is a failure because the planet is falling apart is hardly convincing if you believe the creation capabilities of the device are a ruse to begin with.
12	** Was David's HeroicSacrifice motivated solely by a desire to save Saavik, or was he hoping that with his death, the Klingons would have no chance of getting information on Genesis?
13	* ContestedSequel: It is generally not considered as big of an adrenaline hit to the franchise as ''The Wrath of Khan'' and will run into complaints about the use of a ComicBookDeath for Spock, but Kruge is seen as a satisfactory follow-up villain and it hits some emotionally high moments including the sacrifice of the Enterprise.
14	* CrossesTheLineTwice: After the USS ''Grissom'' is inadvertently destroyed, Kruge calls out the gunner for insubordination. The gunner's response? "[It was] a lucky shot, sir." [[YouHaveFailedMe Kruge doesn't take it well]].
15	* EndingFatigue: One probable cause for the film's middling reputation is that it peaks way too early. The crew stealing the ''Enterprise'' is largely considered one of the greatest moments of the entire franchise... and then there's still an hour to go. The rest of the film would probably be better regarded if it wasn't in that shadow.
16	** The last half hour is especially lethargic at times. The destruction of the Enterprise feels like it should be the climax point, but the final showdown between Kirk and Kruge is still to come, and the film peters out with a lengthy Vulcan ritual to restore Spock.
17	* HarsherInHindsight:
18	** On the Special Edition DVD release, in the text commentary by Mike Okuda for the scene where the Starfleet commander tells Kirk the ''Enterprise'' is to be decommissioned because she's twenty years old, he remarks that NASA has less trouble with old spacecraft, as the Space Shuttle ''Columbia'' was still flying despite being over twenty years old. Shortly after the DVD's release, the ''Columbia'' burned up on re-entry, killing all on board. To make things worse, the shot of the ''Enterprise'' burning up in the atmosphere resembles the ''Columbia'' disaster.
19	** The scene when Kirk meets with Sulu, Chekov, and Uhura in his apartment, all of them toasting "to absent friends," had particular poignance between Nimoy's death in 2015 and Nichols' in 2022, when the four were the last surviving TOS cast members.
20	* HeartwarmingInHindsight: The loss of the original ''Enterprise'' is still one of the most heartbreaking moments in the entirety of the franchise. But in a roundabout way, ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'' did manage to save her, or at least [[spoiler:a version of her, when the crew of the titular ship find the ''I.S.S. Enterprise'' is still intact. In rescuing her and ensuring she'll be saved for posterity, the old gal still got to live after all.]]
21	* HilariousInHindsight:
22	** Admiral Morrow's justification for decommissioning the ''Enterprise'', that she was twenty years old[[note]][[ContinuitySnarl Though, the events of "The Cage" would show she was at least 30 years old]].[[/note]] and "her day is over", comes off very hypocritical when we see on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' and ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' that Starfleet was still using the ''Excelsior'', ''Oberth'' (USS ''Grissom''), and ''Miranda'' ([[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan USS]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Reliant]]'') classes well into the late 24th century, almost ''90'' years after this film's events.[[note]]In the reference work ''Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual'' it was stated that many ''Excelsior''-class starships were still operational than Starfleet had expected them to even though the class was almost 80 years old in 2364. Also the manual stated that ''Galaxy''-class ships were built with a 100 year service life expectancy. In ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'' some of the starships listed on the ''Operation Retrieve'' presentation chart were still active in Starfleet decades later.[[/note]]
23	** Casting Creator/ChristopherLloyd as Kruge almost counts as a CastingGag in retrospect, since Kirk and the rest use his vehicle to [[Franchise/BackToTheFuture travel backwards in time]] in the next film.
24	** It's strongly implied the Enterprise is being decommissioned by Starfleet as damage control due to the political firestorm arising from the detonation of the Genesis device and the destruction of the Mutara Nebula. There was no indication the Enterprise was to be decommissioned in TWOK and this film takes place weeks after the events of that film.
25	** Having both Leonard Nimoy and Christopher Lloyd in the same movie? Are talking about this movie or ''[[WesternAnimation/ThePagemaster The Pagemaster]]''?
26	** Also, the fact that both of them would go on to voice Master Xehanort might be amusing for [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Kingdom Hearts]] fans watching the movie.
27	* HoYay:
28	** Kirk had always put his ship before everything else in his life--until it came down to a choice between his Silver Lady and his First Officer. [[spoiler:He chose Spock.]] And that's not gay... how?
29	** How about the whole conversation between Kirk and Sarek at the beginning of the movie, which implied that Kirk and Spock were once romantically involved.
30	** ''Search for Spock'' holds the trophy for the most HoYay of all the films. How could it not with such gems as:
31	*** Kirk and Superior Officer: "But if there's even a chance that Spock has an eternal soul... then it's my responsibility." "Yours?" "As surely as if it were my very own."
32	*** Kirk (to Sarek): "Your son meant more to me than you can know."
33	*** Kirk and Sarek: "What I've done, I had to do." "But at what cost? [[spoiler: Your ship. Your son.]]" "If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul."
34	*** Spock: "Jim. Your name... is Jim." (It works in context: [[spoiler: the first thing Spock remembers is Kirk. Daww.]])
35	*** Bones' scene with Spock's body. "I don't know if I could stand to lose you again" indeed...
36	*** And then there's Hikaru "Don't call me 'tiny'" Sulu. [[CatchPhrase Oh my!]]
37	*** Let us not forget the scene where Kruge shows his underlings the Genesis presentation, followed by him whispering his plans in the ear of Maltz with an intensity which sounds like he's going to end it with "...and ''then'' you and I will have the most ''epic'' angry sex in the ''history'' of the ''galaxy''."
38	** The whole movie is predicated on Sarek's unquestioned belief that Spock would make Kirk the keeper of his ''katra''-essentially a Vulcan's immortal soul, the very essence of his being. Essentially, he figures Spock regarded Kirk as his ''soulmate''. And for Sarek, a Vulcan, this conclusion is ''only logical''.
39	** The novel only adds to it, Kirk trying somewhat pathetically to get back with Carol (when her lover has been killed by Khan) “now that they’re both alone”, and feeling suicidal over Spock’s death.
40	* InformedWrongness: A mild example, since David's decision to use protomatter in the Genesis Device very definitely ''was'' wrong judging by the EarthShatteringKaboom that ensues when the Genesis Planet destabilizes. However, Saavik also tries to indirectly place the blame for all the deaths that have occurred in this and the previous film on David, which is more than a little unfair. Sure, if the project hadn't gotten so far along then Khan would never have gotten off of Ceti Alpha V... but Khan also wouldn't have gotten off the planet if the crew of the USS ''Reliant'' hadn't massively FailedASpotCheck, and likewise, it's hardly David's fault that Kruge committed an act of war against the Federation in his effort to seize control of the project.
41	* MagnificentBastard: [[BigBad Commander Kruge]] is a [[ProudWarriorRace Klingon]] officer who learns of the Genesis device from Valkris and when Kruge learns Valkris has reviewed the Genesis device information, Kruge has her killed to [[HeKnowsTooMuch maintain the secrecy of his mission]]. Kruge's ship goes to the Genesis planet. When Kruge orders his gunner to disable the ''USS Grissom'' in orbit, the gunner accidentally destroys the ''Grissom'', Kruge [[EvenEvilHasStandards kills him in disgust]]. Kruge takes the remaining Star Fleet personal on the planet prisoner. When the ''Enterprise'' arrives and Kruge attacks them, both ships are damaged, but the ''Enterprise'' is left dead in the water. When Kirk tries to bluff Kruge and demands his surrender, Kruge sees through it and demands Kirk surrenders and says he will kill one of the hostages to prove he is serious, with Kruge's underling killing Kirk's son David. When Kruge confronts Kirk on the planet while it is destroying itself, [[NotAfraidToDie not caring if he dies]] while fighting Kirk. Though Kirk kills Kruge, the cost is heavy, with Kirk losing the ''Enterprise'' and his son in the process.
42	%% * {{Narm}}:
43	%% ** Kruge's line about Kirk being "Enemies of Galactic Peace!" is pretty corny when you think about it.
44	%% ** "The Federation in creating an ultimate weapon has become a gang of intergalactic criminals!"
45	%% * NarmCharm: Kruge, with Creator/ChristopherLloyd's rambling [[Franchise/BackToTheFuture Doc Brown]] voice, especially to the nostalgic viewers who originally watched the film as kids--you can't help waiting for him to exclaim ''"Great Scott!"'' after every one of his lines.
46	* OneSceneWonder: Mark Lenard is absolutely incredible in his two brief scenes as Sarek, a character he'd last played onscreen nearly two decades earlier.
47	* RetroactiveRecognition: Creator/MiguelFerrer appears on the bridge crew of the Excelsior. Meanwhile, Creator/JohnLarroquette appears as a Klingon.
48	* ShockingMoments: The destruction of the ''USS Enterprise-'' the very ''icon'' of ''Franchise/StarTrek.'' In a way, even more devastating that Spock's death had been in the previous film- Spock may have been one of the most-popular main characters, but the ''Enterprise'' '''was''' ''Star Trek.'' Watching the bridge shatter, the saucer erupt, and the ruined wreck burning up in the atmosphere of Genesis shook every Trekkie to the core.
49	* SoOkayItsAverage: Despite being listed as an example of the StarTrekMovieCurse where the odd numbered films are considered bad, many would be hard pressed to say much truly negative about the movie. Typically considered a well-liked and decently-executed ''Star Trek'' film (compared to several other entries in the series), ''Star Trek III'' had the very, '''''very''''' bad luck to be sandwiched between a pair of ''Trek'' films which were far-and-away two of the most popular with the general public.
50	* SpecialEffectFailure:
51	** Due to the conservative budget compared to the [[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture first movie]], a lot of the Genesis planet looks like obviously fake once it starts to fall apart. (Though one does have to wonder if there is a way for snow on cacti NOT to look fake.)[[note]]When you actually see a real cactus covered in real snow, the sight is so incongruitous, that it '''still''' looks fake.[[/note]]
52	** The captured Bird of Prey landing on Vulcan doesn't cast a shadow, so it looks as if the landing gear touches down on... nothing. This is pretty common throughout sci-fi though.
53	* {{Squick}}: Saavik having sex ahem ''pon farr'' with de-aged Spock. The squick factor is somewhat mitigated by her dutiful demeanor while doing it, but only somewhat. No wonder they cut the mentions of it in ''Voyage''.
54	* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome:
55	** The destruction of the ''Enterprise'', which involved blowing up models rather than just overlaying explosions. It was so successful, they used the same technique in ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' when the ''Enterprise''-D is ([[ResetButton temporarily]]) destroyed in the GroundhogDayLoop episode "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS5E18CauseAndEffect Cause and Effect]]".[[note]]Because the TNG-era visual effects were completed by less costly companies outside of ILM, many of the exploding ships in the early-to-mid TNG era looked '''''exactly''''' like the exploding models that they were (unrealistic shattering, lack of detail, post-bang starship chunks swinging as if on wires...) This is especially apparent in remastered shots, and on high-def television. Luckily, the onset of the CGI effects era in the late 1990s eventually allowed starship explosions to become far more realistic.[[/note]]
56	** And parts of the blown-up ''Enterprise''-1701 models were used in the aftermath of the Battle of Wolf 359 sequence in "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS3E26S4E1TheBestOfBothWorlds The Best of Both Worlds]]", because they were so detailed they could be shown very close to the camera without looking fake.
57	* WTHCostumingDepartment:
58	** Chekhov's pink jacket is so bad, he changes out of it after a cutaway. Creator/LeonardNimoy points it out in the Director's Commentary.

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