Line #4 YMMV/SecretWars2015


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2	* ArcFatigue: With the announcement of issue #9, many readers started to feel this burn, mostly due to the fact that it seemed to just take ''so long'' and they wanted it over.
3	* ArchivePanic: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars_(2015_comic_book)#Titles_involved Here's a list of the titles that are a part of the event.]] And that's not even getting into all the stuff Jonathan Hickman's wrote setting up ''Secret Wars''. Even hardcore collectors have their work cut out for them with this one.
4	* BaseBreakingCharacter:
5	** [[spoiler:Doctor Doom]] is the godlike ruler of Battleworld. Fans are split between if it's cool and makes sense, considering the character's status in Marvel history or they are annoyed that it's basically handling all the glory and honors to him and in the tie-ins everyone has to bend their knee to him.
6	** Sheriff Strange. You either think it makes sense or you are annoyed that a cool character like ComicBook/DoctorStrange has been reduced to basically [[spoiler:Doom]]'s First Asskisser. In Issue 3 it is revealed that [[spoiler:Strange is indeed aware of what Earth was like before the event, and is simply acting as Doom's lackey to fill the role, which may make this better or worse depending on the viewpoint.]]
7	* BrokenBase: TheReveal of Doom's face under his mask. While some praise the looks of the face, some also have rallied because it was expected, after all of these years, to be worse (and some even think that it shouldn't have been as scarred -- Doom being Doom, he probably would have exaggerated how bad it was as another reason to hate Richards).
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9	* CatharsisFactor: Sure, Doom is no saint either and uses their power to rule Battleworld as a tyrannical deity, but to see him outsmart and kill the Beyonders, who were destroying all of the multiverse purely out of boredom, is nothing short of satisfying.
10	* ContinuityLockout:
11	** Even people familiar with Marvel might have trouble understanding everything about this series and its many tie-ins without doing some research beforehand. This was inevitable, considering how the event pulls so much of multiple Marvel continuities into it. As far as the comic itself, there are those who can justifiably get confused between the many variants of each character running around.
12	** The series itself, while pretty accessible, was being set-up by literally ''all'' of his previous Marvel work, ''and'' the original ''Secret Wars''. Marvel seems to have understood this and published a ''Prelude to Secret Wars'' trade collecting relevant issues of ''Secret Wars'' and Hickman's works.
13	* DracoInLeatherPants: A number of people have been of the idea that Doctor Doom is the real hero of ''Secret Wars'', having killed the Beyonders and saved what's left as Battleworld and the only reason people are going against Doctor Doom is because "he's Doctor Doom and thus, he's bad and shouldn't be in control". This is despite the fact that he actively suppresses people's memories, sends his Thors out to kill people who don't bow down and kiss his butt and literally commands everyone to fight to the death in their worlds just because they might have crossed him wrong one random Sunday in September.
14	* EnsembleDarkhorse: Faiza Hussein in ''Captain Britain and the Mighty Defenders''. From her accidental DynamicEntry to her SingleStrokeBattle with Big Boss Maria Hill, fans just loved her and were quite disappointed when it turned out the series was only ''two'' issues long.
15	* FanNickname: Annie Parker's gotten two - "Menace", due to her BadassBoast as she pummels the Sinister Six, and "Anime Parker", when some fans realized saying her full name, Annie May, real fast leads to that. The former is endearing, the latter is derogatory.
16	* FanonDiscontinuity: For some odd reason, the Marvel Comics Wikia treats the ''Spider-Girl'' back-up stories not as a continuation of Mayday's story post-''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'', but as another part of the whole ''Secret Wars'' saga. This is despite the fact that ''ComicBook/WebWarriors'' features Mayday as a main character and sporting the costume she dons at the end of her back-ups.
17	* HarsherInHindsight: The ''Captain Britain and the Mighty Defenders'' and its version of Toni Ho shows her as having a loving relationship with her father. Then during her appearances in ''ComicBook/NewAvengers2015'', the mainstream reality's version is shown to be angry at the mere mention of her long deceased dad.
18	* HoYay: In a ''Secret Love'' issue with [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Captain Marvel]][=/=]ComicBook/SpiderWoman and ComicBook/{{Magneto}}[=/=][[ComicBook/XMen Charles Xavier]]. Really, it isn't subtext anymore with these ships as they can be seen dancing with each other in the crowd with the other Marvel couples ([[ComicBook/YoungAvengers Speed]][=/=][[ComicBook/NewMutants Prodigy]] doesn't really count as they are [[AdaptationalSexuality blatantly kissing]]).
19	* JerkassWoobie: Elsa Bloodstone in ''Marvel Zombies''. Her upbringing and tutelage under her father was GoodIsNotNice taken to the furthest extreme, which both [[FreudianExcuse explains her present attitude]] and makes her treatment of Shut Up seem almost warm and fuzzy by comparison.
20	** Karl Kaufman, the Phantom Eagle. Sure he experienced the horrors of World War 1 and his original plan to present himself as a hero during that time blew up in his face, but feeling like he was 'owed' something for his struggles really shows that he's kind of a jackass.
21	* JustHereForGodzilla: Some fans tuned in simply to check out the absolutely insane shit that happened during the event, like Captain America and Devil Dinosaur fighting an army of Hulks.
22	* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt:
23	** So they are destroying '''everything'''? Loki [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall leans on the fourth wall]] about this implasubility.
24	--->'''Loki, Goddess of Stories''': The day of ''last battle''. The ''end'' of this universe -- the ''final death'' of the ''world tree''. The end of all ''stories''...
25	--->'''Verity''': [[BeatPanel beat]] Wait a second. You're ''lying'' to me.
26	--->'''Loki''': Well, I was ''exaggerating''. Dramatic effect. How'd you ''know''?
27	*** The final issue of ''Captain America And the Mighty Avengers'' has a similar scene, where Dave laments that the world is about to end, only for Luke to state that he thinks this isn't really the end.
28	--->'''Luke Cage''': Just the end of the '''chapter''', man. Wait and see what comes '''next'''.
29	** ''Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows'' is being advertised as the last ''Spider-Man'' story '''ever'''. [[BreakoutCharacter Yeah]], [[WolverinePublicity sure]].
30	** The first issue of the event is essentially a massacre but given the premise of the series, a lot of people have to come BackFromTheDead to fight on Battleworld. Doom also saved the New Yorks of both the marvel and ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universes, along with all their local heroes, before the explosion; and merged them into a single domain in ''ComicBook/UltimateEnd''.
31	** For a lot of fans, Marvel's bragging of a "smaller" multiverse. The entire problem here is that there's really no way to "destroy" a universe in a way that sticks, just like a character. Case in point, many universes have been professed to be "destroyed" at some point or another (for example, the Comicbook/AgeOfApocalypse reality) but still showed up later at some point or another. And then there's books like ''Comicbook/{{Exiles}}'' and ''Comicbook/SpiderVerse'', where a vast multiverse is the whole draw. Like Creator/JoeQuesada and Creator/DanDidio both saying "Dead means dead" years ago, good luck making this stick.
32	** Alas, as predicted, everything is more or less back to normal. Even the multiverse is being rebuilt by Franklin Richards.
33	** Issue 8 has [[spoiler:Doctor Doom casually killing Thanos, who is one of Marvel's largest villains. It didn't take long for solicits to reveal Thanos' return.]]
34	* MemeticMutation:
35	** For the end of issue #6: [[spoiler: "[[Manga/AttackOnTitan On that day, Doom received a Grimm reminder..."]]]]
36	** The three week-old hamburger that changed the Marvel universe[[labelnote:Explanation (spoilers)]] Miles gives Molecule Man a burger he had in his pocket when he hitched a ride on one of the Life Rafts, to which Owen, who is being used as Doom's power battery, says he's in Miles's debt, which he repays by placing Miles and his family on Earth-616 when the multiverse is restored. While already quite funny, the fact that the burger was ''three weeks old'' (technically eight years, three weeks, but it was in suspended animation along with Miles for those eight years), plus Miles and Peter's hilarious argument about giving a man an old hamburger, has cemented it in people's memory.[[/labelnote]]
37	* {{Narm}}: Issue #4 of the main series opens with Thanos battling multiple Thors, which would be an awesome scene... if not for an incredibly [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/how-many-thors-did-thanos-defeat-during-secret-war-1837602/ silly]] look on his face.
38	* NightmareFuel: The initial premise of the story is what happens when the greatest superheroes of two worlds come together to prevent a universal apocalypse... And they find out that there is '''nothing''' that they can do to stop it.
39	* ShockingMoments: Just the announcements alone are chock full of CoolVersusAwesome scenarios: from a post-apocalyptic gladiator Captain America riding on Devil Dinosaur to fight Hulks, to golden age World War 1 fighter pilots battling dinosaurs in the skies, to a death race formed from dozens of Ghost Riders across time and space, a legion of Thors joining together to solve Space-Crime, Zombie Superheroes against killer robots and so on. Even the core concept of the event, all the remaining universes in the comics multiverse being smashed together and forced to fight to the death in Battleworld, is pretty high in the awesome itself.
40	** The entire final battle outside Doom’s castle in the main series, which keeps one-upping itself with the crazy stuff that keeps entering the fray. It started off as a CurbStompBattle between [[spoiler:Maximus’]] followers and Doom’s armies, and soon devolves into a battle royale involving Hulks, Thors, [[spoiler:The Thing, Galactus and at 2 PhysicalGods.]]
41	* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: While fans ''love'' Bendis' ''ComicBook/OldManLogan'' series, the one sticking point seems to be his portrayal of Logan's healing factor. In the original ''Old Man Logan'' story, Logan's healing factor had been slowed by his aging. It took him over two days to fully heal a bullet wound! In Bendis' series, it's back to what mainstream Wolverine has. This is less a problem within the actual series and more to do with the fact that Old Man Logan is confirmed to become a CanonImmigrant, and many readers were hoping he'd have a dialed-back healing factor to avoid the [[InvincibleHero problems the original Wolverine had as a character]].
42	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
43	** ''Ultimate End'', which was marketed as the GrandFinale of the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universe, ended up being a storyline of 616 and Ultimate characters interacting with one another. This led to some fans who had been invested in a decade's worth of Ultimate storylines feeling cheated.
44	** Several of the universes chosen for territories were barely glanced over, such as New Quack City and Egyptia. New Warriors fans were especially bitter about the later since the only story that took place there focused on the X-Men.
45	* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: The Frank Castle shown in Battleworld volume 1. He is Frank Castle with the magical powers of Doctor Strange, and is shown to effortlessly kill a Hulk, Ghost Rider and Spider-Man in a matter of seconds and has an open hatred for Doom, leading you to believe he could be a major threat to Doom's Empire... except he simply lets Wolverine kill him instead for no apparent reason. Even stranger considering Frank's usually a stubborn Determinator.]]
46	* UnexpectedCharacter:
47	** Many people were wondering if the zombies had a leader and if so who it was, they probably were not expecting it to be [[spoiler: Magneto, considering he was never even infected in the original story.]]
48	** ''Secret Wars Journal'' #5 has a story with ComicBook/MillieTheModel... or rather, [[RobotGirl Mill-E the Model Citizen]].
49	** Aside from a very brief cameo in 2008, Weirdworld had neither been seen or even mentioned since ''1982.''
50	** The original ''Days of Future Past'' back in 1980 mentioned Colossus and Kitty Pryde having children who all died, and have never been mentioned again by Marvel since then. ''Years of Future Past'' features a daughter and son of the couple as main characters.

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