Line #112 WMG/SausageParty


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4	[[WMG: ''Sausage Party'' will feature ProductPlacement]]
5	* It's a movie by Creator/{{Sony}}, after all. Any film they get their hands on, they'll exploit to advertise their products.
6	** First off, Sony Imageworks assisted with the animation, but other than that they just helped finance the film. Secondly, unless the monitors in Shopwell's are Sony brand, then this film is devoid of any product placement. So this is jossed.
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8	[[WMG: ''Sausage Party'' will helm a message critical of religious fundamentalism]]
9	* The plot seemingly works as if the food are raised to believe humans will be their saviors. They end up realizing the truth too late that their saviors actually want to cook them. This is especially evident in the trailer, where Frank mentions that he needs to enlighten the foods about the truth about their "destiny" or else everyone will die. However, per a comment from [[spoiler:a bottle of liquor with a [[UnfortunateImplications Native American headdress]]]] that nobody would believe him, the belief seems to be permeated so deeply that it would be difficult to convince them to realize what's happening.
10	** This is really a YMMV thing. Unless Seth Rogen comments on it, it's open to interpretation. However, it's worthy pointed out that he and several other writers are not atheists but jews.
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12	[[WMG: Creator/AlanMenken is working on the film's score to spite Disney]]
13	* Isn't it bizarre that a composer with a history of musical scores for family films, particularly Disney ones, would actually [[PlayingAgainstType go take a different direction]] and work on this film? Was there a falling out between him and Disney? Is he trying to do something new? Is he in it just for the money? We may never really know why.
14	** It's possible he, like many Disney employees from the "Renaissance" era, got fed up making him work on [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks the same movie over and over]]. Tellingly, there's a 13-year gap [[WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}} between]] [[WesternAnimation/{{Tangled}} projects]] for them, during which there was a huge overhaul in management, and [[Creator/ChrisSanders other]] employees left when they clashed with John Lasseter. If it is spiteful, it's because he's bitter about being put to work on movies he doesn't like. Or, if you want to TakeAThirdOption...
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16	[[WMG: Creator/AlanMenken is working on the film's score because he doesn't want to be known as "the Disney composer."]]
17	* Anyone who's done more than just family entertainment wouldn't want to strictly be known as a family entertainer (just ask Creator/JimHenson), and considering he's spend the last two-and-a-half decades only being known for writing Disney scores, he could see this as his chance to return to his ''Theater/LittleShopOfHorrors'' roots with something that has the same tongue-in-cheek audacity.
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19	[[WMG: Every food in the film dies]]
20	* They're food. They're meant to be eaten and yet are totally unaware of it. And even if they find out the outcome will be the same: the food will accept their purpose and allow themselves to be roasted and thrown into the humans' stomachs.
21	** Even if they avoid that, they're going to get eaten by something else like a pet, a wild animal or simply go rotten (which is essentially being eaten by insects/mold/fungus/bacteria).
22	*** Which they then understand the real reason why the food at the store view the humans in a positive light: They are there to "save" the food from a slow, painful death. Of course, the food at the store view the humans in a positive light, but they have long forgotten why exactly.
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24	[[WMG: There will be a joke about just where the foods themselves come from.]]
25	* Frank would obviously be horrified of their "destiny" and wonders why life would be so friggin cruel only to them. Another food (probably the Native American whiskey bottle) will reply that they're not only the species that gets shit on. When Frank asks who else has it so rough, we then smash cut to a farm with several happy go lucky animals with a belief that parallels the foods beliefs. It's uncertain if they'll show what the animals "destiny" is or if they'll just show a quick scene and have the audience connect the dots themselves.
26	** Jossed. There isn't one.
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28	[[WMG: In relation to the above, one of the food characters will crack a joke about how he/she was something in a past life.]]
29	* Such as ham saying they were pigs in past lives.
30	** Jossed. That doesn't happen either.
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32	[[WMG: Sentient food turns into sentient poop]]
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34	* Because that logically follows right? We'll likely see TalkingPoo in this film.
35	** We might get that on the UnratedEdition.
36	** Actually, [[spoiler:Barry runs into a turd with corn in it. They come to life like zombies would.]]
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38	[[WMG: Frank will pull off a HeroicSacrifice]]
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40	He'll jam himself down a human's throat and allow Brenda to escape while delivering a PreMortemOneLiner of [[DoubleEntendre "Choke on it."]]
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42	[[WMG: They reference some other significant adult animated cartoon]]
43	* Maybe a character will be watching ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' on TV or something. Or maybe some vague reference to FritzTheCat, the first X-rated animated movie.
44	** Maybe ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce'' will be referenced. The show itself also revolves around anthropomorphic food, so this is obvious.
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46	[[WMG: At some point they're going to address how this has all happened before when the food used to be animals and vegetation.]]
47	* Food used to be animals that were slaughtered, animal products that were boiled or cracked open, or plants that were grounded and baked. It might even be another [[TheReveal big reveal]] for the food to find out they weren't always food.
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49	[[WMG: VideoGame/FruitNinja will be referenced]]
50	* Fruits will be caught, thrown to a ninja, and splattered.
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52	[[WMG: The food will eventually find out that humans need to eat them for survival]]
53	* The food may start out thinking that humans are cooking and devouring them ForTheEvulz, only to learn later that humans eat them to stay alive, adding nuance to the conflict.
54	** Confirmed. Firewater tells Frank that humans eat food because it gives them strength, but still describes it as something needlessly cruel.
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56	[[WMG: The movie is going to [[SoOkayItsAverage leave absolutely no impression on the general public]].]]
57	* Once the hype dies down and everyone realizes that this is [[DancingBear just another doofy studio comedy that happens to be animated]], it will fade into obscurity without making so much as a dent in the medium.
58	** I suppose it's too early to deem this one jossed, but didn't many say the same thing about Ralph Bakshi's cartoons?
59	*** It made a big impression when it was released, but it seemed to vanish from the public eye as soon as word got out about how badly the animators were treated. Time will tell if it will even rebound.
60	** It's been announced by Sony Pictures Animation that more R and PG-13 rated movies in CGI are in the works. Only ''Sausage Party'' could have been the inspiration.
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62	[[WMG: These will be some reference to vorophelia.]]
63	* The movie is about characters who are destined to be eaten alive. It's a raunchy comedy full of sex jokes. At least one of them ''has'' to be a food character getting eaten and [[TooKinkyToTorture thinking it's hot]].
64	** There is the shot of the inside of the "milf's" mouth that shows the baby carrots being eaten alive, so there's that.
65	*** Jossed. It's not sexualized in any way.
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67	[[WMG: Music/WeirdAlYankovic will re-record "My Balogna" for this movie.]]
68	* In May of 2016, Weird Al uploaded [[https://www.instagram.com/p/BFsIS0hGu0N/ a photo of himself and his band in the studio]], claiming that they were re-recording a song from his first album for "an upcoming movie." It would be appropriate if it were this one.
69	** {{Jossed}}. It's not on the official soundtrack, so it's unlikely that it's in the movie.
70	** It was actually "Happy Birthday" for a scene which wound up getting deleted from ''Film/HowToBeALatinLover''.
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72	[[WMG: Parents will accidentally take their kids to see the movie and complain afterwards.]]
73	* As if the DoubleEntendre of the title or poster displaying a hot dog in a sexual pose isn't enough to tip off that this isn't a kids' movie, and parents don't look up the movie's content prior to taking their children, they will [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids mistake it as an innocent family-friendly film]] based on its CGI animation and anthropomorphic food characters, thus resulting in complaints about the movies' inappropriate content after taking their children. The movie will likely maintain an infamous status of being the first R-rated CGI film.
74	** It's not unlikely. [[WesternAnimation/{{Nine}} Other animated films with high ratings]] have been practically forced into the AnimationAgeGhetto despite being much more visibly child-unfriendly. This one has "Rated R" stamped on the posters in great big letters, but with nothing more than a passing glance, it still ''looks'' like a kids' movie, right? Though considering that the movie is intended as [[TakeThat an insult to the AAG]], it's failure to do so may signal to the general public that it does, indeed, exist and is hurtful to the art form.
75	[[WMG: ''Sausage Party'' takes place in an animistic universe]]
76	* Think about it, in the movie universe everything has a soul, but the only way to see the souls of most things is to take drugs like an ancient shaman. In the movieverse, only things in similar catagories have full awareness of each other without drug enhancement. Meaning that the non-food items are likely sentient as well, but can't perceive beings out of their spiritual category. Meaning the pot the foods were smoking probably perceived the food smoking it as Chthulhuesque horrors burning it alive. And the supermarket felt utter madness happening in its insides.
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78	[[WMG: Much like how ''Film/{{Airplane}}'' led to the death of disaster movies for almost a decade, the surprise critical and commercial success of Sausage Party will lead to the death of animated movies. Or at least ones by Pixar.]]
79	* Alternatively, much like how the surprise acclaim and success of ''Film/{{Deadpool\|2016}}'' encouraged DC/WB that there was a market for R rated superhero films, Disney, Pixar, DWA, Blue Sky Studios and Illuminaton will be inspired by Sausage Party to make R-rated animated movies.
80	** But Disney/Pixar is significantly a family-friendly company, it's highly unlikely that they'll be allowed to produce any animated films with a rating higher than PG.
81	*** What do you think they use Touchstone Pictures for?
82	** Or, y'know, maybe other studios will jump on the R-rated animated movie bandwagon and Pixar and Disney will keep on making kids movies like they always have? It's not like family-friendly animated films are going to go out of style, there's always going to be people wanting to take their kids to the movies. Deadpool's success didn't cause the MCU to start announcing R-rated movies.
83	** Jossed. Despite it's success no studio seems to be in rush to follow in the wake of the film's success.
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85	[[folder: Post Release (WARNING: Potential Spoilers in here too! Read With Caution!)]]
86	[[WMG: Products of the same type, of the same brand and sometimes even in the same package can come in different genders.]]
87	[[WMG: The food end up going to the wrong world]]
88	They decide to maybe set up a society which lead to the creation of a town [[WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball where a blue cat and his family live]].
89	** They'll probably go to the Family Guy Universe.
90	** Jossed, according to the alternate ending on the digital copy.
91	[[WMG: Brenda and Frank will have a baby.]]
92	* It'll be a pig in a blanket.
93	[[WMG: The sequels will be a BloodierAndGorier Musical War Comedy and a Post-Apocalyptic CrapsackWorld comedy-drama in the style of 2017! Logan]]
94	Well, since Musical films are very popular, why not do a sequel where it's even more DarkerAndEdgier ala The Empire Strikes Back as Douche becomes even more powerful and lends an army of evil foods to kill Frank?
95	* Oh! And maybe, the third and finally installment of the Sausage Party trilogy to be a Post-Apocalyptic grand finale in the style of Logan where almost all of the food are eaten where Frank trains a younger, more brutal and stronger son.
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97	[[WMG: The movie getting flack for abusing their animators is proof that the AnimationAgeGhetto ''has'' affected it.]]
98	Hear me out.
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100	Obviously, it's not a ''good'' thing that the animators were forced to do more work than they were compensated for, and if you know anything about how small the reference pools are for animation, you'd know that a threat of blacklisting is a very, very low blow. And while it's perfectly reasonable to be turned off to the movie because of this, consider the many, many live action movies that have had similar behind the scenes drama and are considered masterpieces: ''Film/{{Titanic\|1997}}'' is widely remembered for James Cameron's out-of-control temper behind the scenes, often screaming at his crew and fighting with studio heads, to the point that t-shirts were maid that said "You Don't Scare Me, I Work For James Cameron." Creator/CecilBDeMille notoriously insulted his casts and famously made his crew dig out two parking lots and a crosswalk at a moment's notice just to get one shot in ''{{Film/The Ten Commandments\|1956}}'', and it's one of the most famous scenes ever photographed. These and other movies couldn't have happened if their directors were anything ''but'' hot blooded to the point of abusive to everyone working under them.
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102	While there have been plenty of animated films that suffered from TroubledProduction that involved less-than-stellar treatment of their animation staff, this seems to be the only one who's [[ConvictedByPublicOpinion reputation was ruined by it]], and it seems to only be because it was a movie that challenged the idea that animation couldn't exclusively be for adults. Whatever one's opinion is of the situation, the fact that the general public reacted the way it did proves that the AnimationAgeGhetto is at work.
103	** Unlikely, as in summer 2020 Sony Pictures Animation announced that they would be making more animated movies rated R and PG-13. Since SPA has only ever made CGI movies, it's a safe bet that they'll be rendered in 3D computer animation. In fact, Creator/GenndyTartakovsky is confirmed to be working on a CGI adult animated movie called ''Fixed'', and has opted out of directing ''Hotel Transylvania 4'' in favor of it.
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105	[[WMG: If there is a sequel, Douche may return and might possibly have a HeelFaceTurn.]]
106	* In a surprising twist, we learn that Douche didn't die, but Darren did. Douche thinks he survived because Darren asshole was "not that tight". Because of this, he easily flew out of Darren's ass, causing and landed in some town far away from the one the film takes place in.
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108	He then goes to the Shopwells in that town and eventually finds the Non-Perishables from that Shopwells (This group of Non-Perishables would be different products from the ones in the original Shopwells in the movie). These Non-Perishables decide to help Douche out after hearing his story, and along the way, Douche learns a lesson about how the way he acted during the Red, White, and Blue Day incident was pointless, and he realizes he needs to apologize to Frank.
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110	Eventually, when Douche makes it to the real world after the Non-Perishables from the other Shopwells see that Frank is in danger Douche stands up to the main villain of the sequel, who has a similar personality to Douche's in the original film, and gives a big speech to him (complete with flashback sequences from the first film to illustrate his points) about how what he is doing is wrong, and Douche punishes the villain for his actions by killing him, which shocks Frank and the others. Douche explains what he learned to Frank and his friends, and he introduces the Non-Perishables from the other Shopwells and thanks them for making him a good person again. Douche returns back to the cartoon world with everyone else. The film ends with Douche joining the Non-Perishables.
111	[[WMG: Firewater and co. invented the Great Beyond story some time in the 1950s.]]
112	The 2D flashback sequence is designed in a very flat, graphic way, akin to low-budget cartoons from the era.
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114	[[WMG: After the movie, the food actually entered our world (as in ACTUALLY entered our world), but are completely invisible to everyone (not seen as ordinary food like in the movie, I mean invisible invisible), except people on bath salts.]]
115	* Yeah, jossed. Being realistic here, there's no way that could've happened in real life...
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117	[[WMG: The animators were never mistreated, they just [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere ditched the movie]] because of how insane it was and lied about not getting paid to spite the directors.]]
118	* This seems pretty likely, after all, Seth Rogen seems like a nice guy, not someone who mistreats his animators.
119	** Be that as it may, the accusations were not at Seth Rogan, but one of the directors, Greg Tiernan. Rogan had nothing to do with the animation process. Plus, threats of blacklisting are very common in the animation field, they're just rarely as extreme as getting borderline slave labor out of your artists as Tiernan allegedly did. The fact that the movie was a SleeperHit was probably the last straw for a lot of these people, who were insulted that their abusers were getting credit for their work.
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121	[[WMG: The sequel, if it is ever greenlit, will be titled "Clam Bake"]]
122	A "clam bake" is the DistaffCounterpart to a "sausage party", after all!
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124	[[WMG: Belief in the Great Beyond will continue, even after Frank.]]
125	It will simply be changed to be closer to the Egyptian Duat, where the Gods torment the food for their sins before taking them, or rather their spirits into the pleasant part of the great beyond. Now, nobody will be able to disprove the true oblivion that awaits the food. Initially, it was also thought they were bodily taken to the Great Beyond until they discovered the lifeless waste left behind, which causes them to come up with the part about the spirits. This may be evidenced by the last track on the soundtrack of the movie.
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127	[[WMG: The non-perishables were the first food items ever to become conscious, and the myth of the Great Beyond helped make the other foods self-aware.]]
128	Firewater’s flashback segment makes it look as though the food items once spent their entire existence in unremitting horror, knowing full well what was going to happen, before he came up with the Great Beyond song. However, he might be embellishing that bit.
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130	If they really had that level of awareness of such a horrifying, hopeless fate, they probably would have just lost their will to live, and either offed themselves like Honey Mustard did or stopped being sentient altogether. It’s just not possible to function for very long with that amount of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_anxiety death anxiety]]. Just look at how the other foods reacted when Frank told them the truth.
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132	That’s why many psychologists believe that religion (in some form) has been present in humans as long as consciousness has. For most people, the only functional alternative to having a comforting story about a future afterlife, would be to either lose all will to live, or to completely lack self-awareness and any concept of the future (like an animal). The only exceptions would be a few people with a very atypical psychology, which the non-perishables (a particularly stoic bunch) seem to possess in the film.
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134	Firewater is an alcoholic beverage, so he already has an inherent “mind-altering” quality about him. Thus he’s a natural candidate for the first food item to become conscious. At that time, the other food items were sentient but lacked self-awareness, being more animal-like than human-like. Firewater was lonely and wanted to teach them how to think and talk like he did. But he knew that increased awareness could easily drive them to madness if he didn’t also give them a “noble lie” (as Plato would say) to comfort them.
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136	Firewater thus has similarity with proverbial “philosopher kings”, as well as “first man” figures from world cultures and religions, particularly Native American ones (where the “first man” figure is usually also a trickster figure, like Nanabozho is in Ojibwe lore).
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138	Long story short, while the film is clearly critical of organized religion, it’s definitely ''not'' advocating the snarky New Atheist viewpoint that sees religion as something wholly evil that ought never to have existed in the first place. The viewpoint of the film seems to be more nuanced, viewing religion similarly to how Marx viewed capitalism (i.e. as a necessary stage in the development of society, and in fact preferable to what had existed before, but also as something which society must eventually outgrow in order to continue progressing).
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140	[[WMG: This is all the druggie's DyingDream.]]
141	Yes, even the part that happens before he enters the story.
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