| 1 | Separated into each season for coinvent reading for those catching up but beware of spoilers: |
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| 3 | [[foldercontrol]] |
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| 5 | [[folder:Pre-Release & Season 1 WMG]] |
| 6 | [[WMG:Homelander Didn't actually rape Butcher's Wife in this version]] |
| 7 | [[spoiler: Unlike the comic version, there's evidence that Homelander, while still an evil sociopathic monster, did not rape Rebecca Butcher. As Season 1 showed the events of her disappearance, all of it can either be seen as the actions of a rape victim, or someone who's reeling from the act of infidelity. The fact that she's apparently spent the past 8 years raising Homelander's illegitimate child who (for the most part) seems far more well adjusted than Homelander gives credence to this]]. |
| 8 | * [[spoiler: Confirmed! (JOSSED, read below)]] |
| 9 | ** [[spoiler: More like half confirmed. Yes, Rebecca is still alive, yes she had Homelander's child. However, it is not confirmed if the sex she had with Homelander was consensual or not. Considering how The Deep forced Starlight to perform oral on him, and apparently him being a repeat offender (and even Translucent was a pervert), there's nothing saying that Homelander believes it was consentual while in fact it wasn't. And seeing that she was pregnant with Homelander's child, she took an offer from Vought to give birth and raise the child instead of facing her husband and telling him that she had been raped by someone who is considered the most honest superhero.]] |
| 10 | *** [[spoiler: it is worth remembering - Billy is presented as an abuser and a volcano of toxic masculinity. His hyper masculine persona and aggression, the way he controls and manipulates The Boys (he charms and 'seduces' Hughie, he leans on MM's OCD and need for closure, he basically just forces Frenchie) and the fact he was previously a torturer at Gitmo are all part of what makes him so frightening and sees him edging into villain territory more than once. Billy wants Hughie (and by proxy the audience) to believe he used to be a good man who was turned bad by the trauma of losing Becca and years spent fighting the Supes - he even accuses Grace Mallory of basically turning him into the volatile man he is. But...in his own flashbacks to his time with Becca, Billy mocks and derides her interests, he undermines and questions her job, mocks her place of work (despite the fact working for Vought would be pretty major considering the scale of the company) and is even a bit cheeky to Homelander, to his face, which Homelander clearly picks up on. And Becca has to ask him not to drink too heavily. We may yet find out that as charming as Billy thinks he is in these flashbacks, the truth doesn't line up).]] |
| 11 | *** Turns out to be fully {{Jossed}}. Not only did Homelander rape her and leave her traumatized and pregnant, but also the only reason she did not go to Butcher and inform him was that Becca feared he would get himself killed trying to avenge her. [[BreakHisHeartToSaveHim So to save him from himself and because she loved her husband, she left with Ryan to raise home away from both men.]] |
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| 13 | [[WMG:The Deep will get a redemption arc...but still be a pathetic joke]] |
| 14 | [[spoiler: The last few episodes have been one karmic punishment after another for the creep. He's been outed for his sexual assault, demoted from the Seven to a dead-end position in Ohio with no chances of a comeback, is essentially raped by a disturbed fan who fans his body image issues over his gills, and his last moments of the season showing him having an utter mental breakdown. I think come season 2 it will be about him finding himself, realizing the actual weight of his crimes against Starlight and other women, and goes on a journey to actually better himself...But he will remain the butt of everyone's dolphin fucking jokes.]]. |
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| 16 | OR |
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| 18 | [[WMG:The Deep will get a redemption arc, but it won't earn him forgiveness from those he's hurt]] |
| 19 | [[spoiler: The Deep is clearly on the cusp of a mental breakdown after his own brush with sexual assault & all but in name losing his position in The Seven. He may instead try to reinvent himself in repentance, leaning more towards the Namor styled Warrior and Eco-terrorist, instead of the chummy Aquaman analog he's put on so far for the public. However even though he's clearly apologetic, Annie and others (some could be other smaller female superheroes) aren't forgiving because they believe it's all PR or think he's just try to get back into their pants.]]. |
| 20 | * Sort of Confirmed. The Deep comes to understand his actions were wrong, but instead of changing his image, he joins a ChurchOfHappyology. He also makes his assaults more about his FreudianExcuse of body image issues, rather than the actual women he hurt. Starlight has made it very clear he is unforgiven. |
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| 22 | [[WMG:had Series/TheTick2016 not been cancelled, there would've been a crossover episode]] |
| 23 | * Doubtful, thematically the two shows are far too different. Also while the Boys supes were regulated by the company who covered up their crimes the Tick supers where regulated by ARGUS who were more strident. Also the different styles would have clashed too much to make sense. The Boys [[DarkerAndEdgier had ultra- violence, cursing, and sexual assault]]. The Tick [[LighterAndSofter had a sentiment mama lobster, a punisher like anti-hero and his maybe girlfriend flossing ]]and lovable camp. Also both comics are owned by different companies. |
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| 26 | [[folder:Season 2 WMG]] |
| 27 | [[WMG:Prospective season 2 developments]] |
| 28 | * The Boys will be backed unofficially by the arms industry. |
| 29 | * New characters will fill out the Seven, and will include some of the more Marvel-inspired characters like Tek Knight, Nubian Prince, Crimson Countess, Stormfront (with more Norse influence), etc. |
| 30 | * Stormfront will alternatively be a one of the new super terrorists. |
| 31 | ** Or alternatively, Stormfront will still be a superhero, but he will also secretly be LEADING a group of Neo-Nazis to start a coup against the US government. |
| 32 | ** The second one is semi-confirmed. Stormfront is still a superhero and she's also Translucent's replacement in The Seven. |
| 33 | ** Meanwhile, Homelander begins his own coup against the US government, leading to a civil war between Homelander's {{Super Supremacist}}s, Stormfront's Neo-Nazis, Naquib's Radical Islamic Terrorists, and the US government. |
| 34 | ** And A-Train will start his own coup, namely starting a superhuman cartel behind everyone's backs that ships Compound V to rival companies. |
| 35 | ** With the Boys themselves caught in the middle. |
| 36 | *** Thus leading to a genre shift where it basically becomes Game of Thrones with superheroes. |
| 37 | * Jossed in regards to Naqib since he dies in Season 2 judging from the Season 2 trailer. |
| 38 | ** However, there could still be other superpowered Radical Islamic Terrorists in The Boys TV Show's setting, so a war between Homelander's super supremacists, Stormfront's Neo-Nazis, Radical Islamic Terrorists that have Supes of their own in their ranks, the US government, and a potential superhuman cartel A-Train could start could either be a Season 2 plot or maybe saved for a possible Season 3. |
| 39 | ** Could they be heading towards Frenchie being able to figure out how to fuck with Homelander? In the comics his past is only hinted at but the show appears to have given him a more developed back story that is somewhat similar to Kimiko and for them, is why they have bonded. Because it's The Frenchman you have to take a lot of what he says with a pinch of salt, but his entire reaction to Kimiko, plus his scars, suggests he's being honest with her. Assuming he's being truthful, the show has made him a sort of inversion of Homelander. Both of them had childhoods that saw them ripped from their mothers and raised in abusive isolation, only allowed out when their abusers decided it was okay. Plus, Frenchie pulled off, in the midst of a high stress situation, easily lying directly to Homelander's face. Homelander being a man whose super senses let him detect people's stress and fear. That can't be left to lie. |
| 40 | *** Kimiko's brother will enter the story as an active character and possibly another newly made Supe. He might be The Boys version of Bucky Barnes, turning up with powers and an initial enemy to the heroes, before Kimiko is able to get through to him and he joins the cause for good. It fits the comic conventions the show is examining, it would help continue to add to and flesh out Kimiko. If he's kept on, it could mean the addition of a new Supe to the team which bolsters the possibility of beating the Supes without resorting to the whole team taking Compound V. If he's in the US and Kimiko's image is in the news, he could have seen her and tracked them down. |
| 41 | * Mostly just a prediction; Season 2 will open with the badly wounded Frenchie and sedated Kimiko needing medical attention. Given their lack of resources they'll end up somewhere incredibly questionable and dangerous and the injured Frenchie will become endangered. Kimiko will go HAM to save him and kill a lot of people, leading to her continuing to struggle with who she is and what she's become. Part of her journey will be learning to fully embrace both sides of her nature, the soft side and the strong, violent Supe one, helped along by Frenchie. |
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| 43 | [[WMG:The G-Men will be heavily altered from the comics, if they ever do appear.]] |
| 44 | * Because portraying them as all victims of Godolkin's sexual abuse as kids would be a bit too far, unless the show is planning to go ''really'' DarkerAndEdgier in upcoming seasons. Instead, they may make the narrative Godolkin developed for his "kids" (that he's taking in orphaned Supes and giving them a safe place to grow up in) his actual MO. They could still be a close-knit, insular community, regarding Godolkin as a father-figure and having an almost or outright cultish devotion to him, and they could still have difficulties functioning in regular society after their isolated upbringing, no child abuse required. |
| 45 | ** If they wanted to go the cult angle Godolkin could be coercing the older G-Men into sex like a polygamy cult. The shows made it clear they want to do a lot of TakeThat! at organized religion while toning down the grimdark shock value aspects of the comic so it would make sense. |
| 46 | ** Also could take the angle of him using their vulnerabilities due to fear of their powers and orphaned status to mentally exploit them and gaslight them into doing what he thinking and that he's always correct. To the point he may not even have powers of his own but is so good at manipulating them it seems like he's reading their minds and Vought recruited him because he's that damn good. |
| 47 | *** Or, even worse, he can be very manipulative in terms of psychological and emotional "games", he can use the G-Men as a sex cult, AND he can be a literal mind-reader, and unlike Mesmer he does NOT need touch to read minds, he can just read minds just by thinking of doing so. |
| 48 | *** Also, as part of the sex cult thing, he can also bring up a sob story that the G-Men are all "victims of anti-mutated human bigotry". |
| 49 | *** Groundhawk could also have some characteristic not too dissimilar to a house pet. |
| 50 | ** Confirmed, the Spin off confirmed during second season is said to be putting a Hunger Games twist on the G-men and will only be 'loosely' inspired by the comics versions. Full details here: [[https://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1150818-the-boys-spinoff-loosely-inspired-by-x-men-parody-g-men-from-the-comics X]] |
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| 52 | [[WMG:Vought will create a supervillain team [[EngineeredHeroics for the "new" Seven to defeat]] to gain public support]] |
| 53 | * And these "supervillains" would be a metaphor for Heel/Rulebreaker wrestlers. |
| 54 | ** {{Jossed}}, but that appears to be Homelander's line of logic regarding why he leaked Compound V. Though [[spoiler: with Compound V going public, it may end up going that way with state or corporate sponsored supervillains from other companies/countries meant for The Seven to fight.]] |
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| 56 | [[WMG:Official versions of the in-universe movies and TV shows will be made.]] |
| 57 | |
| 58 | [[WMG:Season 2 will reveal that A-Train died anyway.]] |
| 59 | He was overdosing on Compound V, and his heart had already been stopped for a few minutes by the time Starlight called the ambulance. Another death among The Seven will ratchet up the tension in Season 2. |
| 60 | * {{Jossed}} with the season two promos and episodes themselves, He is very much alive and has several key points. Though his heart does cause issues [[spoiler: he ultimately lives, though Stormfront probably would have killed him if she got the chance.]] |
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| 62 | [[WMG:Payback will debut in Season 2 as well, and due to the turnover rate The Seven are dealing with, Vought will begin to rely on them more and more.]] |
| 63 | Primarily because Tek Knight was mentioned twice in Season 1, and Stormfront has been cast. |
| 64 | * {{Jossed}}, while both Stormfront and Eagle the Archer appear they don't mention Payback being active or the other members aren't shown beside a statue of soldier boy from the 1940s, who was casted as Jensen Ackles. Maybe Season 3? |
| 65 | |
| 66 | [[WMG:The first episode of Season 2 will have The Boys are Back in Town by Music/ThinLizzy playing over the credits]] |
| 67 | Why not? |
| 68 | * Sounds more like a first-look teaser thing. |
| 69 | * {{Jossed}}, unfortunately no use in show or for credits. |
| 70 | |
| 71 | [[WMG:A-Train will be transferred to Superduper]] |
| 72 | Since A-Train will not be as fast anymore and unable to take more Compound V without dying, Vought might transfer him to the show's version of Superduper as a PR move of adding an A-lister to their roster instead of outright sacking him for failing to perform at his top. |
| 73 | * {{Jossed}}, A-Train is still a member of the seven throughout the season [[spoiler: though he almost lose it due to a mix of his heart and Stormfront's racism, after joining the ChruchOfHappyology he's able to help them blackmail his way back especially since it's evidence of Stormfront being a Nazi science experiment and willing member of the party.]] |
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| 75 | [[WMG:An In-Universe Explanation for a Plot Hole]] |
| 76 | [[spoiler: In Episode 2, Translucent is killed by Hughie, who detonates a C4 lodged in his anus. Despite his invulnerability, Hughie is splattered by his viscera. It can be explained by Translucent's skin having certain "weak spots" which would have caused slight localized shattering by explosives. This also explains why part of Translucent's body is still intact.]] |
| 77 | * [[spoiler:Rather than "weak spots", why not the actual orifices like eyes, ears, nostrils, where the bomb went in...]] |
| 78 | * [[spoiler:His skin might be indestructible, but not unbreakable - i.e. tears can opened in it, specially when it involves a very strong blast from the inside ([=C4=] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKkK1n7bfhQ enough to break a steel beam in half]], the blast is pushing the innards towards all directions, and also raises the temperature) and there is already a hole to begin with...]] |
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| 80 | [[WMG:Lamplighter's lamp has Compound V in it.]] |
| 81 | Because Compound V is the source of superpowers in The Boys. |
| 82 | * {{Jossed}}, Lamplighter's arc doesn't have him giving any Compound V to the boys nor his blood [[spoiler: as he commits suicide right in front of the Statue of the Seven inside their HQ]] |
| 83 | |
| 84 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Lamplighter's lamp is simply made from Vought technology.]] |
| 85 | Since Vought uses a glorified steroid to create their superhumans, the idea of Vought creating a device that grants the user some kind of power is not that far off. |
| 86 | |
| 87 | Both {{Jossed}}, Lamplighter has pyrokinesis and can control Fire from anything that can produce it including a simple lighter. |
| 88 | |
| 89 | [[WMG:Compound V is actually AlienBlood.]] |
| 90 | |
| 91 | [[WMG:Characters that could appear in future seasons and how they could be changed for the series.]] |
| 92 | * Love Sausage/Vasily, played by Oleg Taktarov: The character could be changed from a Russian Superhuman to a regular human who served as the leader of a powerless Supe team that served as a propaganda tool. This would justify why Butcher would be working with him despite his utter hatred of Supes. |
| 93 | ** Alternatively, Love Sausage can still have powers, but it would be from a different variation of Compound V that the Russians made that is more stable than it's American-owned counterpart. Butcher would still tolerate working with Love Sausage because from Butcher's point of view, this would make Love Sausage more likely to be stable. |
| 94 | ** Also, another advantage of Love Sausage keeping his powers in that way is that he will become subject to a million dick-jokes thanks to the nature of his powers (in that being erect is literally his weakness in that being erect immensely slows him down and even causes him to pass out). |
| 95 | *** Seemingly Jossed as of Season 2, as there was an appearance of someone who fits Vasily's description with a large penis but [[spoiler: they were a nameless Mook who's penis can grow and is prehensile, that almost strangled Mother's Milk until Kimiko knocks him out.]] But may come back around. |
| 96 | * Tek Knight, played by Creator/JoelMchale: Modified somewhat from his comics incarnation. Have him primarily be wracked with guilt over his DestructiveSavior nature that a few lines in the first season alluded to. But he can still have his powered armor, with the explanation that it was made by Vought or a Vought-affiliated company. |
| 97 | ** Alternatively, Tek Knight could be a hero with Technopathic abilities. |
| 98 | ** Or he could even have both his PoweredArmor AND technopathic abilities. |
| 99 | ** Somewhat confirmed. Tek Knight does appear in ''Series/GenV'', though portrayed by Derek Wilson instead of [=McHale=], and mostly does not resemble his counterpart in the comics; he does not seem he possess any sort of powered armor or technopathic abilities, instead coming across as more of a LivingLieDetector type (like ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}) and is the host of a true crime reality series. |
| 100 | *** Although he has no known power armor in Gen V, his dialogue with Cate implies he does have superhuman strength, so he apparently at least has his comic book counter part's super-strength, just NOT from power armor this time. |
| 101 | * The Legend: Reduced to a cameo, by none other than Creator/BruceCampbell. |
| 102 | ** Confirmed by his appearance in ''Gen V'', but he is portrayed by Creator/PaulReiser instead of Campbell. |
| 103 | * Starlight's DisappearedDad: she's fallen out with her mom so this is the most likely person for her to reach out to for moral support. Good money's on Creator/MichaelKeaton (alluding to how he spearheaded the superhero movie boom by ironically playing a BadassNormal). |
| 104 | * Crimson Countess, who, due to the more grounded universe, has slightly less flashy powers, and more something along the lines of gravity manipulation. She'd be portrayed as a CloudCuckooLander with a slight bit of AxCrazy to tease a bit more of an arc later. Creator/MargaretQualley would be perfect for the role. |
| 105 | ** Alternatively, she still has her Heat Generation, Energy Projection, and Flight, but with gravity manipulation added to the mix, as a double-reference to MCU Scarlet Witch becoming more and more powerful in the MCU timeline, with the in-universe explanation being that her doses of Compound V and taking new strains of Compound V cause her to gain new powers. |
| 106 | *** However, Vought propaganda will be used to lie to the public that Crimson Countess' powers are "evolving naturally". |
| 107 | * Jack from Jupiter, who will replace either A-Train or The Deep. Unlike the comics version, this one is a powerful telepath working directly for Vought. Homelander places him on the Seven in an attempt to undermine Stan Edgar. Jack agrees, on the condition that he be given the opportunity to kill Frenchie, whom he believes killed his also superpowered sister. While Jack's attitude is as unpleasant as his comics counterpart, he has a sympathetic motivation and rounds out the Seven by being a true AntiVillain. |
| 108 | ** Somewhat jossed, as the only reference of Jack in Season 2 was a porn parody that [[spoiler:Lamplighter wanted to watch while couped up with Hughie, that the latter see the cover of.]] Neither person mention him being a real supe, though the former would probably know him personally and the latter would have heard of him since they were a fan before getting tied into this. |
| 109 | * Soldier Boy will appear. That being said, the myth surrounding him will turn out to be largely exaggerated. His super strength and toughness were the only reason he even survived the war: His leadership was atrocious and got them men under his command killed, his fighting style is basically punching until the other guy goes down, and he's wracked with PTSD and a nasty guilt complex and won't leave the house. To make matters worse, the Compound V is utterly wrecking his body, keeping him alive, but in constant terrible pain. The Boys will attempt to use his situation to expose the hazards of Compound V. |
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| 111 | [[WMG:A subplot in the second season will involve Starlight developing a [[GoodSmokingEvilSmoking Nicotine Addiction]].]] |
| 112 | * The throwaway banter about cigars in the seventh episode of the first season will prove to be foreshadowing, as Starlight starts smoking to deal with the stress and strain that being on The Seven is causing her. Further complicating the situation will be Vought leaning into it, due to Main/SmokingIsCool. |
| 113 | ** Partly confirmed, partly jossed, and directed at the wrong character. Queen Maeve is shown smoking quite a bit as a result of the stress of being on The Seven, but Vought never does anything with it, and it's portrayed more as SmokingIsNotCool. |
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| 115 | [[WMG:In a future season, Butcher, Hughie, Frenchie, and Mother's Milk with get injected with a different version of Compound V, with a slightly different formula that in some way causes it to be a more stable version.]] |
| 116 | * So that they would have a better fighting chance against the Supes, so that Billy Butcher can help discipline the laser-eyed baby should he meet the baby again and when the baby gets older, and to also invoke the EmpoweredBadassNormal trope. |
| 117 | |
| 118 | [[WMG:Alternatively, the rest of the Boys at least get a HourOfPower variant that not only doesn't create addiction, but eventually the body adapts against it's negative side effects...]] |
| 119 | * So basically, Hourman's power? (His power was superhuman strength for an hour whenever he ate a pill that granted him said power). |
| 120 | |
| 121 | [[WMG:If Creator/SethRogen does appear in the show himself he can only be one character...]] |
| 122 | * [[GagPenis Love Sausage]]. Rogen's bread and butter in his comedy routines is penis jokes and a large bearded Russian whose power revolves around his member is too far up his ally to ignore. |
| 123 | ** {{Jossed}}, he appears as himself in a blink and you miss it cameo where he's talking about working with Vought. |
| 124 | |
| 125 | [[WMG:Stormfront will still be a superhero, but he will secretly be forming a Nazi group within the US government, referencing HYDRA.]] |
| 126 | * {{Jossed}}, any semblance of a plan [[spoiler: focuses on slowly pushing out non-white supes from the lime light, as she starts with A-Train, and raising Ryan to believe in the concept of White Genocide/Supremacy.]] |
| 127 | |
| 128 | [[WMG:The unnamed female superhero with wings who was in the Believe Expo will play a bigger role in Season 2]] |
| 129 | * {{Jossed}}, while there's an undercurrent of female characters/supes getting a larger spotlight in this season, with both [[spoiler: the masterminds of the season being female (Stormfront & Victoria Neuman) and the biggest hero moments coming from the female characters.]] The specific character mentioned doesn't seem to have much of a bigger role. |
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| 131 | [[WMG:In terms of in-universe movies, Popclaw is supposed to be the Margot Robbie of The Boys Universe]] |
| 132 | * Margot Robbie is an international superstar who is filthy rich and has an Oscar nomination. Popclaw couldn’t afford rent in her basic apartment. |
| 133 | * I don't mean in terms of money, I mean in the sense of the type of role they are most known for, from what little we know about Popclaw's in-universe movies, they seem to be a series focusing on a sexually attractive female anti-hero, similar to how Margot Robbie became well known thanks to playing the DCEU's incarnation of Harley Quinn. |
| 134 | * Margo Robbie was mainstream famous before she played Harley Quinn and her role as Harley in Suicide Squad really only mattered to nerds. Also lots of attractive actresses (and actors) star in movies that take advantage of their good looks. |
| 135 | ** Okay then, maybe that was a bad comparison in retrospect. Here's the alternative: |
| 136 | |
| 137 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Popclaw is supposed to be the Lindsay Lohan of The Boys Universe.]] |
| 138 | * In terms of her drug problems, the fact that her fame seems to be fading, and that her attempts to get back into the spotlight apparently fail judging from her financial status. |
| 139 | |
| 140 | [[WMG:Season 2 will introduce Suicide Squad Expies.]] |
| 141 | And in a fit of irony, they will be genuine heroes in this setting. |
| 142 | * {{Jossed}} there's seemingly no attempt by the government to make a squad-like team nor is there a team of villains who team up revealed. |
| 143 | |
| 144 | [[WMG:Frenchie wants to be a chef]] |
| 145 | * The abandoned lots he habitually squats in appear to be abandoned restaurants, including the place they take Translucent. He chats to Homelander about opening a Brazilian Steakhouse, which seems like small talk to throw Homelander off, but later Frenchie is shown preparing food for Kimiko and then eventually teaching her to bake. Part of Frenchie's character journey could be his secret desire to become a chef and get away from the life Billy keeps dragging him back to. |
| 146 | |
| 147 | [[WMG:Billy Butcher actually wants to have Compound V....]] |
| 148 | * But ONLY as a last-ditch effort to take down the Supes. |
| 149 | ** {{Jossed}}, the few times Butcher is around it and supes who can offer, he makes it clear he doesn't want it nor does he attempt to obtain it. |
| 150 | |
| 151 | [[WMG:Deep down, Billy Butcher really DOES want to be an FBI agent, or at least a police officer.]] |
| 152 | Too bad his hostile personality makes it hard for him to pursue either career. |
| 153 | |
| 154 | [[WMG:Another super-powered being who actually IS a hero will show up to help The Boys and Starlight.]] |
| 155 | * And this will lead to a revelation that there is a new variation of Compound V with more beneficial results that acts more like a vitamin than a steroid like the most common Compound V does. |
| 156 | |
| 157 | [[WMG:Becca [[spoiler:is a Supe but doesn't know she's a Vought prisoner]].]] |
| 158 | * [[spoiler: Becca would arguably have to be have Super Powers to safely raise a child as powerful as she and Homelanders son. She might have been given Compound V during or after the pregnancy but it's also possible she was a Supe all along and never felt like she could tell Billy. If she did indeed have an affair, maybe her inability to be her true self with him is part of why she strayed with Homelander. If she was given it later on, she may have volunteered, or been told it was the only way she could safely take care of her child so he DIDNT end up in a lab like Homelander. Becca may think she's there freely but doesn't know she's part of a Vought experiment. Or she does know and it's a huge character turn for her.]] |
| 159 | ** {{Jossed}}, Becca [[spoiler: is a normal human and dies a normal human from what is shown from her physical fitness and combat ability before she's killed by her son, Ryan, on accident.]] |
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| 161 | [[WMG:Becca was pregnant but with Billy's child. Homelanders 'son' is a clone and was implanted into Becca without her knowledge]] |
| 162 | * [[spoiler: There's a few layers to this. In the comics, Black Noir is a clone of Homelander who was created to kill Homelander in the event he ever went completely insane. Bored of waiting for this to happen, Black Noir himself goes insane and starts committing atrocities as 'Homelander', including the rape of Becca which Billy believes was Homelander. In the TV show, it does appear to be Homelander who took part in the assault, and the existence of the son suggests Black Noir is not a clone of Homelander. How ever, that doesn't mean there is no clone of the big man. His son could be a clone, who has similarly been created and given powers to ensure he can defeat and kill Homelander as the man becomes increasingly unstable. Madelyn, as Homelanders probable bio mother, was likely the original choice to carry the new Homelander to term, but her age and fertility issues ruled her out. When Becca came along, thinking she is, or actually being pregnant but not sure if it was Billy or Homelanders, they seized the opportunity to implant the embryo, told her it WAS Homelanders and then manipulated her into running away to raise him.]] |
| 163 | ** Somewhat jossed as of Season 2, [[spoiler: there's no indication that Vaught did anything to Becca during the pregancy and from her own words she sought them after she was sure she was pregnant with Homelander's child, wishing to make sure the child didn't turn out like him.]] |
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| 165 | [[WMG:''The Boys'' takes place in the same universe as the 1987 film ''Bad Taste''.]] |
| 166 | Essentially, every government has a group named The Boys. It started in 1987 when a bunch of aliens landed in Australia, where the government agency The Astro Investigation and Defence Service sent in a special group of ass-kickers, nicknamed The Boys. After the word of the group's success in dispelling an alien threat, each government agency would create their own group of dedicated ass-kickers of paranormal/supernatural/extraterrestrial/superhero threats they would dub The Boys. The Boys we see are just the CIA version of said ass-kickers, but were disbanded due to superheroes taking over those duties. |
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| 168 | [[WMG:Becca and her kid will both die at the start of Season 2.]] |
| 169 | Though Becca is alive as well as Homelander's bastard kid, the thing that will set off the continued feud between Billy and Homelander will be that Becca will tell Billy she was raped by Homelander, which Homelander will continue to deny, saying it was consensual (as it's not clear if what happened between Becca and Homelander in her office was rape or not. Homelander claiming it was could be seen either as the truth, or due to how he's presented, the truth as he sees it). Eventually, Homelander will get pissed off and kill Becca in front of Billy. Billy, pissed off, will kill Homelander's kid (who will not be as immune to everything as his father is) as retaliation, and their deaths are going to be what drives both Billy and Homelander into an ongoing conflict. |
| 170 | * {{Jossed}}, [[[spoiler: Ryan lives but Becca dies at the very end of the season, with Ryan becoming Butcher's ward after Ryan realizes his genetic father's insanity and how evil the people he surrounds him with.]] |
| 171 | |
| 172 | [[WMG:Black Noir is the Female's brother.]] |
| 173 | His official description calls him a ninja, his VA promo shows him undertaking a Japanese tea ceremony and he's a match for the Female in combat. |
| 174 | * Jossed, Kimiko's brother Kenji appears in Episode 2 and has different powers and there are several scene where Black Noir and Kimiko's brother are shown to be in notably different places at the same time. On top of all that [[spoiler: he dies during a fight/execution from stormfront, but Black Noir is still around.]] |
| 175 | |
| 176 | [[WMG:If Ice Princess DOES show up, she will be an Ice Expy.]] |
| 177 | * And her boyfriend will be an Expy of Guy Gardner. |
| 178 | ** For added measure, those two will be among the few superheroes that actually believes in being heroic. |
| 179 | |
| 180 | [[WMG:Alternatively, if Ice Princess DOES show up, she will be a Killer Frost Expy...]] |
| 181 | * With the backstory that she was a villain at first but became a hero afterwards. For irony, she's one of the few superheroes who genuinely BELIEVE in doing the right thing. |
| 182 | |
| 183 | [[WMG:Queen Maeve actually DOES have an island with a bunch of women living in it....]] |
| 184 | ....of course, they're all superhuman due to Compound V, of course, and they're secretly planning to take down the corrupt superheroes with the very hidden help of Queen Maeve. |
| 185 | * This potentially wasn't true at the beginning of season, but actually has a higher possibility at the end of the season. |
| 186 | |
| 187 | [[WMG:The Crossed from Garth Ennis' the Crossed will show up as villains in this series....]] |
| 188 | * As a part of a story arc parodying multiverse stories, which are very common in comic books. |
| 189 | |
| 190 | [[WMG:We'll eventually learn about civilians who have access to Compound V forming secret resistance groups against Vought.]] |
| 191 | |
| 192 | [[WMG:Stormfront is much older than she appears.]] |
| 193 | * The old beer advert that Mallory received featuring an old Supe called Liberty has her face suspiciously covered with a hood. |
| 194 | * Stormfront's (supposed) hero is Pippi Longstocking, a character in books published between 1945 and 1948. |
| 195 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed. She ''was'' Liberty.]] |
| 196 | ** [[spoiler: Not only that, she was the wife of the founder of Vaught Industries and was the first person injected with Compound V back in Nazi Germany, and a believer in the ideology. She is about 100 years old at the time of her death at the end of the season.]] |
| 197 | |
| 198 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Liberty is Stormfront's grandmother.]] |
| 199 | * And when Stormfront was a child, Liberty would read Pippi Longstocking stories to Stormfront. |
| 200 | * {{Jossed}}. |
| 201 | |
| 202 | [[WMG:Butcher will [[spoiler:try manipulate Ryan to push him further away from Homelander, but will genuinely start to care the boy and become a ParentalSubstitute for him.]]]] |
| 203 | * Butcher will use whatever he can to take down Homelander physically and emotionally, so what better method than the turn [[spoiler: Homelander's own son]] against him. Seeing as Butcher occasionally has a soft spot for kids, and [[spoiler:Ryan]] made it clear he wants nothing do with Homelander after their second meeting and Homelander blatantly seeing him as property. At the same time, it could help kickstart character development for Butcher and get the revenge he wanted in the most ironic way possible: [[spoiler: Homelander losing his kid to last man he'd want his son to view as a father.]] |
| 204 | |
| 205 | [[WMG:Butcher will end up raising both Ryan and the laser eye baby as his children, resulting in character development where Butcher becomes a CompositeCharacter expy of both Punisher and Jonathan Kent Sr.]] |
| 206 | |
| 207 | [[WMG:The reason why Kenji was able to survive Stormfront's lighting and being flung to a surface by said lightning was because he used tactile telekinesis to temporarily give himself superhuman strength and durability]] |
| 208 | * Which would make him an expy of Connor Kent in terms of tactile telekinesis. |
| 209 | |
| 210 | [[WMG:Like the comics, Maeve will pull a HeelFaceTurn if/when Homelander finds out about Elena and murder her.]] |
| 211 | * In the comics, Maeve, turned tail when she found she wasn't having sex with Homelander, but instead Black Noir. Which... given her absolute disdain for Homelander and we still don't know what Black Noir's deal is, isn't the likely cause. Here, given her ArmouredClosetGay status and doing everything she can to hide Elena from him, her's bound to find out eventually and skewer her to keep Maeve for himself. This will likely be the last straw for Maeve who decides to stop being an ExtremeDoormat and fight back. |
| 212 | ** Semi-Jossed/Confirmed [[spoiler: Maeve turns tail while Elena is still alive. But she is doing it to keep both of them alive]] |
| 213 | |
| 214 | [[WMG:Ashley will be set up as the counterpart to Jess Bradley in the comics and will be the used as the scapegoat by Edgar for anything that blows up with Vought and the Seven.]] |
| 215 | |
| 216 | [[WMG:The meaning behind the Fresca beverages.]] |
| 217 | * Fresca is a bit of an obsession to those under the Church of the Collective. Not only do Eagle the Archer and Carol introduce themselves by offering The Deep one, but Eagle is also hauling an entire package of it for later. This could mean many things: |
| 218 | ** Their leader is a Supe or has close connections to Vought and other powers, and the Fresca could be connected to their abilities. |
| 219 | ** Their leader alternatively has a sponsorship deal with Fresca and the like, using the product in tandem with its teachings and rituals. |
| 220 | ** The Fresca is spiked with something, though if Eagle wanted to make The Deep [[HigherUnderstandingThroughDrugs hallucinate]], he'd just give him mushroom-laced drinks at face-value. |
| 221 | ** The Fresca is normal, but it's being used as a "treat" of sorts in order to condition The Deep and the organization's other members with positive reinforcement. |
| 222 | *** This last one seems to be the most correct assumption after Season 2's finale, but much of this WMG is {{Jossed}}. It's simply Alastair imposing his tastes onto the church members, but it does get used as a "treat" of sorts. |
| 223 | ** WordofGod confirmed that it just an in-joke that took off as it seemed like the prefect harmless and inoffensive, non-alcoholic drink that one could offer and easily draw to DrinkingTheKoolAid without being so on the nose as using Kool-aid or an in-universe knock off. |
| 224 | |
| 225 | So you want a fresca? |
| 226 | |
| 227 | [[WMG:Gecko will turn on Vought.]] |
| 228 | |
| 229 | [[WMG:The Deep will be killed by an angry mob of civilians.]] |
| 230 | * Because they will somehow obtain specialized bullets that can penetrate The Deep's skin. |
| 231 | |
| 232 | [[WMG:The Boys and The Seven will form an EnemyMine against an even bigger threat.]] |
| 233 | * [[spoiler:Semi-confirmed. Half of The Seven conspire with The Boys to take down Stormfront (and partially Homelander).]] |
| 234 | |
| 235 | [[WMG:Stormfront was an actual German Nazi, like her comics counterpart, and the first Supe to boot]] |
| 236 | Vought was founded by an ex-Nazi scientist brought to the states presumably as part of Operation Paperclip. With the reveal that Stormfront is [[OlderThanTheyLook older than she looks]], it will turn out his very first successful test subject came along with him: Stormfront. |
| 237 | ** [[spoiler:Confirmed, she was Frederick Vought's wife and first test subject for V, as well as a believer in the Nazi ideology.]] |
| 238 | |
| 239 | [[WMG:Homelander will eventually turn all of the Season 1 Seven members against him and they'll work to take him down.]] |
| 240 | * Starlight's already working with Boys to tear down Vought, Homelander kicked A-Train out of the Seven just because he makes the team, more specifically Homelander, look bad, and outed Maeve's sexual identity to the world. While we don't know what Black Noir is planning, he may play out similarly (but not identical) to his comic book purpose. The Deep would likely go along with taking down a corrupt leader for publicity and looking good if the others decide to turn tail. Homelander's slowly giving all of them motivation to take him out, even if it'd be difficult to do. |
| 241 | ** [[spoiler: confirmed for Mauve, as she turns against him after fearing for her and her lover's safety for most of season 2. She forces him into a position where he must publicly apologize to Starlight for labeling her as an enemy of the state]] |
| 242 | ** [[spoiler: While not directly turning against them, The Deep appears to be fed up with a lot of the politics behind the seven.]] |
| 243 | |
| 244 | [[WMG:Stormfront is Lamplighter who underwent sexual reassignment surgery.]] |
| 245 | * The entire 'Liberty is Stormfront' is a red herring. Liberty is not Stormfront, she is Lamplighter/Stormfront's mother who passed her racism down to her child. |
| 246 | ** Lamplighter's weapon is a staff. If he could simply create fire with his hands, why does he need the staff? The reason is that his true power is to create lightning, which will ignite whatever is in the staff. |
| 247 | ** Stormfront is far too powerful to be considered a 'B-list' hero like Liberty was, considering a hero as useless as The Deep made it all the way to The Seven. |
| 248 | ** Lamplighter's only established character trait is being a sadistic child-murderer, which would fit Stormfront perfectly. |
| 249 | ** Stormfront mentions her admiration for Pippi Longstocking. If she were truly a 70 year old woman, this would not make sense. The eponymous novels were written in the forties, but did not become popular in America until the late sixties. Even if we assume Stormfront is European, why would she be mocked for dressing up as Pippi for Halloween? Because at the time, she was a he. |
| 250 | ** The scene where Starlight and Stormfront are interviewed together is just packed with foreshadowing for this. Note Stormfront's lack of surprise at being asked to join The Seven and her comments about people caring too much about the genitals of their heroes. |
| 251 | ** In the flashback where Liberty kills the young black man, we never actually see her face nor do we see her use her powers. We do, however, see that she wears a hood. Who is the only member of The Seven to wear a hood? Lamplighter. I would go as far as to bet that it is the same hood. |
| 252 | ** Homelander's homophobia has been significantly played-up this season. Would it not be a perfect culmination of that character trait to see him in a Finkle-Einhorn-esq situation? |
| 253 | ** Stormfront is seen talking to Lamplighter over the phone, so it might not be possible. |
| 254 | ** Jossed. They are different people. |
| 255 | |
| 256 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Stormfront and Lamplighter are siblings.]] |
| 257 | * {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: Stormfront is said to be the only success of the Reich's attempts to make a superhero, and Lamplighter never mentions any relation to her or talks about her in any way beside thinking she's who she presented herself as]]. |
| 258 | |
| 259 | [[WMG:Stormfront is also homophobic.]] |
| 260 | I mean, she's racist, so her also being another sort of bigot would NOT be surprising. |
| 261 | ** She'll end up taunting Maeve with homophobic slurs during their fight, just to make the audience hate her even more. |
| 262 | |
| 263 | [[WMG:Stormfront is also ableist.]] |
| 264 | Again, she's racist, so she can very easily be some other sort of bigot as well. |
| 265 | |
| 266 | [[WMG:Billy Butcher will directly commit suicide in the end of the series, ironically using Compound V to die from unstable superpowers.]] |
| 267 | |
| 268 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Billy Butcher will learn to tolerate innocent Supes, starting by adopting the laser baby from Season 1 as a continuity CallBack.]] |
| 269 | |
| 270 | [[WMG:At one point, Gecko acted in an expy of a Geico commercial.]] |
| 271 | |
| 272 | [[WMG:Later in the season Hughie will save Butcher and/or the others from one of the supes and will die in a Heroic Sacrifice]] |
| 273 | |
| 274 | Jossed. |
| 275 | |
| 276 | |
| 277 | [[WMG:In terms of in-universe comics, at one point Vought created a comic that's The Boys Universe's equivalent of DCeased.]] |
| 278 | |
| 279 | [[WMG:The Church of the Collective is connected to the Shining Light, and both of them are a covert attempt by the US government to create their own Vought-style superhero program.]] |
| 280 | |
| 281 | In the real world, several religious organizations have been claimed by conspiracy theorists to be fronts for the CIA or state department, for nasty things like human experimentation. |
| 282 | |
| 283 | [[WMG:Ryan will become the protagonist in a spin-off titled Ryan: The War On Vought.]] |
| 284 | |
| 285 | [[WMG:Stan knows [[spoiler: Stormfront is a virulent racist.]]]] |
| 286 | [[spoiler: And he's planning on using it to stage a FalseFlagOperation. His plan is to manipulate Stormfront into perpetuating a race massacre, and setting the Seven up to fight and defeat her, all to make the reality of supervillains clear to the American public and to get them on his side to avoid litigation from the government.]] |
| 287 | * [[spoiler: Partially confirmed. The finale makes it clear that he is well aware of Stormfront's bigotry, and while the exact events in this WMG aren't what happens, the twist at the end of the season implies that Stormfront was being used as a scapegoat to further some kind of goal.]] |
| 288 | |
| 289 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Stan Edgar is a self-hating racist against black people, and he still plans on getting Stormfront to stage a FalseFlagOperation.]] |
| 290 | |
| 291 | [[WMG:Adele is not Stormfront's grandmother but a close relative who's the same age or younger.]] |
| 292 | * [[spoiler:Confirmed, the woman in the picture is actually her daughter, Chloe together with Frederick Vought.]] |
| 293 | |
| 294 | [[WMG:Compound V isn't just a scientific formula--it's supernatural]] |
| 295 | |
| 296 | There's just no way any kind of gene-altering but fundamentally naturally produced serum could bestow the vast array of powers we see among the supes (telekinesis, invisibility, super-speed, weather manipulation, shapeshifting, all the shit Homelander can do, etc.). Compound V is probably something like Wotan's Blood from ''Über'' ; some kind of eldritch substance drawn from God-knows-where by some kind of desperate Nazi occult ritual in the dying days of the war. In all likelihood Vought himself hardly understood what it was, and his company today doesn't understand it any better. It would also explain why with a very few exceptions, pretty much all supes are rather detestable human beings. The stuff rots the soul as it enhances the body. |
| 297 | |
| 298 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Compound V is both scientific and supernatural/mystical/magical, but it's still up to the individual granted powers by Compound V to decide what he or she does with that power.]] |
| 299 | Hence why we still have genuinely heroic Supes such as Starlight and Blindspot, anti-hero Supes such as Kimiko/The Female, morally innocent Supes such as Ryan, or at least genuinely remorseful Supes such as Queen Maeve. |
| 300 | |
| 301 | [[WMG:Lamplighter actually regrets killing Mallory's grandchildren]] |
| 302 | |
| 303 | Lamplighter was likely sent after them by someone at Vought (most likely Edgar) in order to intimidate Mallory but the ordeal [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone traumatized him]] hence why he retired and expresses hesitation at [[spoiler:Stormfront asking him to kill a seventeen-year-old]]. |
| 304 | ** He does seem reluctant [[spoiler: to follow through on Stromfront's kill order]], like the others he has no trouble killing if need be but it seems he has limits. It is possible that the Mallory situation was a assignment that went wrong. Lamplighter was just to strong-arm her to back off, but something went wrong and he ended up incinerating her grandchildren unintentionally. Leading Mallory to go after [[NiceJobFixingItVillain Vought with more determination]] and Lampligher to "retire" and even end up working in a hospital to try and make some [[TheAtoner amends for that.]] It is even possible that the event that Mallory believes as an action of some psychopathic child murderer was a simple mission that for him went horribly wrong. |
| 305 | *** This is exactly what this troper had in mind when posting this theory. |
| 306 | * Confirmed. |
| 307 | |
| 308 | [[WMG:Adele, the woman that figures prominently in Stormfront's backstory is actually Liberty.]] |
| 309 | * {{Jossed}} [[spoiler: It's reveal stromfront is a 100 year old Nazi who believed in the Reich's mission, Adele is actually Chloe and Stromfront's daughter.]] |
| 310 | |
| 311 | [[WMG:Stan Edgar plans to use the Boys to help out Vought]] |
| 312 | * Black Noir letting himself get spotted, avoiding actually killing any of the Boys and Edgar watching the whole time and letting them go on some very weak blackmail feels more like probing a potential asset than a legitimitate attempt to remove them from the board. |
| 313 | |
| 314 | [[WMG:Blindspot with cybernetic implants in his ears, Ryan, Hugh Campbell with Compound V inside him and his name cleared along with his innocence proven, Starlight, and Queen Maeve start a new generation of superheroes who actually BELIEVE in doing the right thing.]] |
| 315 | |
| 316 | [[WMG:After getting psychiatric treatment, earning a high-school equivalency, earning a college degree in criminal justice, and being recruited into the FBI, Kimiko will grow up to be a Asian and superpowered Expy of Amanda Waller.]] |
| 317 | |
| 318 | [[WMG:If Superduper shows up, not only will they be a LaResistance opposed to Vought, but they will undergo an AdaptationalNameChange and be called "The Rebellion" instead.]] |
| 319 | |
| 320 | [[WMG:Black Noir is Soldier Boy]] |
| 321 | An incredibly dangerous combat-oriented supe who still has his military training hardcoded into his brain. But he's forcibly been kept alive past his due date by regular Compound V infusions, leaving him warped physically and mentally. |
| 322 | |
| 323 | [[WMG:Susan wasn't killed by Stormfront]] |
| 324 | She was taken out by someone else. |
| 325 | ** Confirmed, [[spoiler: It was Victoria Nueman, a rework of the comic's Victor Neuman.]] |
| 326 | |
| 327 | [[WMG:Lamplighter will be arrested by the CIA.]] |
| 328 | I mean, even though he did not intend to murder Mallory's grandkids, he still was targeting Mallory for assassination, so it can NOT just be local PD arresting him. |
| 329 | * And he will either be apprehended with high-tech technology meant to counter his powers, Tek-Knight-like PoweredArmor, or he simply surrenders to the CIA. |
| 330 | ** Furthermore, the FBI are also tailing Lamplighter. |
| 331 | * {{Jossed}}, he's captured but never formerly charged in season 2 and [[spoiler: commits suicide in front of the Seven's statue and Desk in their HQ]]. |
| 332 | |
| 333 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Lamplighter will join The Boys.]] |
| 334 | * Half confirmed/Half Jossed, helps them but [[spoiler: commits suicide after helping Hughie sneak in to free Starlight]]. |
| 335 | [[WMG:Black Noir is a mole for the CIA]] |
| 336 | Like in the comics, [[spoiler: he was sent to destroy Homelander]]. However, unlike in the comics, [[spoiler: he's not a clone who did many vile deeds while impersonating him]]. From what we've seen of Black Noir so far, [[spoiler: he's nowhere near as monstrous as his comic counterpart]], so he actually wants proof of Homelander's wrongdoings before terminating him. He'll finally step into action when [[spoiler: Queen Maeve exposes him for his role in the Flight 37 crash]]. |
| 337 | |
| 338 | [[WMG:Cindy, the bald test subject in the Sage Grove Psychiatric Hospital, isn't a Telekinetic. She's essentially the show version of Silver Kincaid (with pressure manipulation powers), which may explain how [[spoiler:she managed to stop the gas bomb from spewing gas despite not crushing the valve on the bomb.]]]] |
| 339 | |
| 340 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Cindy will have both telekinesis and pressure manipulation.]] |
| 341 | We've seen Supes with more than one power before. So Cindy having more than one power would not be surprising. |
| 342 | |
| 343 | [[WMG:Lamplighter will be placed in ADX Florence for the manslaughter of Mallory's grandkids and the attempted murder of Mallory.]] |
| 344 | He will have high-tech bracelets, high-tech gloves, and a high-tech neck-brace all made to counter his powers. In addition, his cell has technology in it that also counters his powers. |
| 345 | * Jossed [[spoiler: he dies via suicide after being helpful to Hughie]]. |
| 346 | |
| 347 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Lamplighter will work with the FBI in order to wipe the slate clean.]] |
| 348 | * Half Jossed, [[spoiler: He gives up some information but dies before testifying on record, via suicide after being helpful to Hughie]]. |
| 349 | |
| 350 | [[WMG:The Boys TV Show's versions of Jimmy Fallon, Seth Rogen, and Chris Hansen will eventually inject themselves with Compound V in order to fight against the corrupt superheroes after it's revealed that most of the superheroes are NOT heroic after all.]] |
| 351 | Just to keep up with the BlackComedy aspect of the show, for example a dark comedy scene where The Deep gets his ass kicked by Jimmy Fallon, Seth Rogen, and Chris Hansen working together to take him down. |
| 352 | * Also, the Compound V-enhanced Seth Rogen, Jimmy Fallon, and Chris Hansen will also kick the asses of A-Train, Stormfront, Black Noir, and even Homelander in other dark comedy scenes. |
| 353 | ** This might even get Butcher to change his views on Supes, especially since his views on Supes has been downplayed from the comics version since he let the laser-eye baby live and even told the laser baby, in a friendly tone, to stay out of trouble. |
| 354 | *** Frenchie will be revealed to be a fan of all three Compound V-enhanced celebrities. |
| 355 | *** Jimmy Fallon will become a father figure to Kimiko, to the point that Kimiko even speaks. |
| 356 | *** Mother's Milk and Seth Rogen will become FireForgedFriends after they work together to take down a corrupt Supe that's a more obvious expy of Thor. |
| 357 | *** Chris Hansen will investigate Vought further and succeed in clearing Frenchie, Hughie, Mother's Milk, Kimiko, Billy Butcher, and Starlight's names. |
| 358 | |
| 359 | [[WMG:Stormfront killed Soldier Boy]] |
| 360 | * They were active during the same time period as enemies. |
| 361 | ** {{Jossed}} both are said to be alive and worked together when [[spoiler: Stromfront was known as Liberty.]] |
| 362 | |
| 363 | [[WMG:After Being fired from the Seven, A-Train will have an encounter with Mr. Marathon, the man he replaced.]] |
| 364 | * It's implied that Marathon was SparedByTheAdaptation and it might be interesting for A-Train to see another has-been speedster, whether he's adjusted well to life outside of the Seven, or been reduced to a shell of his former self. |
| 365 | ** Somewhat {{Jossed}} [[spoiler: By season end, while A-train did get fired, he was given his spot back without encountering Mr. Marathon. That doesn't mean he won't in the future]] |
| 366 | |
| 367 | [[WMG:A-Train will redeem himself and become a hero, as will Mr. Marathon, and they will get a spin-off where the main villain is Shockwave.]] |
| 368 | * Seemingly jossed. A-Train is accepted back into the seven very quickly and [[spoiler:Shockwave dies and Mr. Marathon is never seen.]] |
| 369 | |
| 370 | [[WMG:Shockwave will replace The Deep as TheGenericGuy on the Seven like in the comics]] |
| 371 | * Both confirmed and jossed,[[spoiler:[[WeHardlyKnewYe he gets killed before he can really do much there]] or have his personality revealed.]] |
| 372 | |
| 373 | [[WMG:Black Noir is Michael Milk, MM's brother]] |
| 374 | Marvin talks about his background to Valerie, recounting a story similar to his comic book backstory, though he doesn't mention his reasons. Considering he doesn't have powers, it has to be for something different. Rather than Michael dying when his superpowers manifested, something elsa happened and Michael met a more ambigous fate that made Mr. Milk sue Vought, not aware Michael was still alive and would later be made into a new supe. |
| 375 | |
| 376 | [[WMG:Stormfront is Jewish.]] |
| 377 | Stormfront tells Homelander that she was Frederick Vought's first successful Compound V subject. The only reason Stormfront would end up being a test subject for a [[HerrDoktor Nazi scientist]] would be that she was Jewish (or Slavic or Roma or any other race the Nazis deemed inferior). If true, this would make her a BoomerangBigot and possibly BrainwashedAndCrazy. It's worth noting that Creator/AyaCash is Jewish, which would make her casting both [[CastingGag rather humorous]] and [[{{Foreshadowing}} clever foreshadowing]] if the theory pans out. |
| 378 | * This theory does explain why Stormfront still speaks with subtle traces of an ethnic Jewish accent despite being a slow-aging Nazi. |
| 379 | * The big flaw with this theory is the Nazis didn't only imprison people who were part of races deemed lesser, they subjected the same fate to Aryans considered politically unreliable-socialists, communists, members of labor unions, Jehovah's Witnesses, Freemasons and so on. It would probably make more sense for the Nazis to experiment with a super-serum on these groups rather than on people part of races held to be inferior by Nazi racial pseudoscience. There's also the fact Stormfront was married to Vought and marriage between Jews and Aryans in Nazi Germany was illegal even in cases where the Nazis were willing to declare specific Jews honorary Aryans. |
| 380 | |
| 381 | [[WMG:Starlight will be the one to take down Stormfront.]] |
| 382 | Of course she is not powerful enough to take down Stormfront normally, but think about it. Starlight '''''absorbs electricity to fuel her powers''''', something which is Stormfront's primary and preferred mode of attack. Stormfront will blast her with lightning and probably power her up enough in a case of HoistByHisOwnPetard. |
| 383 | * {{Jossed}}, turns out that Stormfront's electrical plasma is not the same as the power that Starlight absorbs. She pretty gets beaten down by Stormfront's power [[spoiler:until Maeve interferes and with the help of Kimiko beat her down forcing Stromfront to flee. Stromfront is ultmately take down by Ryan who snaps and uses his heat vision to destory all of Stromfront's limbs after Stromfront begins choking Becca to death.]] |
| 384 | |
| 385 | [[WMG:Becca lied about being raped.]] |
| 386 | I think she said it to simply spare herself from Billy's wrath, especially since Homelander doesn't show any rapist tendencies. |
| 387 | * Seems highly unlikely, she did not act in fear of Billy but in fear ''''for'''' Billy. Also she begs for protection from Homelander and her constant fear and recoiling from him confirms he did rape her. She has no reason to fear Billy's wrath, she has every reason to fear Homelander the Supe who raped her and could end her and those she loved on a whim. Sidebar, define rapist tendencies? Rapist in general do not walk around with rapist tendencies otherwise it would be easier to spot them. |
| 388 | * {{Jossed}}, she directly tells Butcher she was forced into the position and rape by coercion/intimdation is still rape. |
| 389 | |
| 390 | [[WMG:The Deep's marriage with Cassandra is to secure her loyalty]] |
| 391 | The Deep could have had any woman as wife and it wouldn't have changed a thing about the propaganda they were letting out. No one in their right mind would want to have any relation with a Yandere like her. By arranging a marriage for her with a handsome and well known superhero, they have ensured her gratitude. |
| 392 | * Not explored and potentially going to be left open as [[spoiler: The Deep leaves the church]] at the end of the season, but is still legally married. |
| 393 | * As of Season 3 [[spoiler:{{Jossed}}, she appears to be fully on board with the Vought sponsored lifestyle, even asking Deep to do to several things he'd not normally do to keep himself appearing favorable and loyal to Vought and the Seven, especially Homelander. She has also helped him promote himself as a victim of the church and sell his story, even though it paints the church in an overwhelming controlling light]]. |
| 394 | |
| 395 | [[WMG:Vogelbaum is FakingTheDead. He's responsible for the exploding heads and sent a shapeshifter to die in his place.]] |
| 396 | * Possibly {{Jossed}} It was always [[spoiler: Victoria who exploded the people's heads, who right now is a wild card so it may turn out that it was at Vogelbaum's direction and the person who died was a fake.]] |
| 397 | |
| 398 | [[WMG:Stan Edgar took Compound V]] |
| 399 | The season 2 finale will reveal him as the head-popping Supe who was trying to silence anyone who could expose Vought. |
| 400 | * {{Jossed}} It was always [[spoiler: Victoria who exploded the people's heads.]] |
| 401 | |
| 402 | [[WMG:The headsploding Supe works for the Church of the Collective]] |
| 403 | They need Vought to survive to assist their power base. Which is why they kill those who threaten it. The dead civilians are a smokescreen, and Shockwave was killed to both draw suspicions off from The Seven and make way for A-Train. |
| 404 | * {{Jossed}} It was always [[spoiler: Victoria who exploded the people's heads, and she kills the leader for trying to blackmail her.]] |
| 405 | |
| 406 | [[WMG:Shockwave was killed because he wanted to reveal Stan Edgar's crimes.]] |
| 407 | |
| 408 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Shockwave was killed because he wanted to reveal the Church of the Collective's crimes.]] |
| 409 | |
| 410 | [[WMG:Stormfront will learn that Ryan was conceived through rape.]] |
| 411 | And as an individual for female empowerment, will be pissed off as hell, regardless of whether Becca is a Supe or not. |
| 412 | * {{Jossed}} If she knews the truth, she's seemingly unbothered by the informaiton before [[spoiler: her death, especially after the reveal she's really a loyal member of the Nazi party and likes Homelander for how Aryan he appears.]] |
| 413 | |
| 414 | [[WMG:We'll eventually get a radical feminist villain in The Boys TV Show.]] |
| 415 | Based on this woman: |
| 416 | * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Jeffreys |
| 417 | * https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sheila_Jeffreys |
| 418 | |
| 419 | And also based on this article: |
| 420 | * https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/utopia-what-would-a-womens-society-look-like/?pbj=1 |
| 421 | |
| 422 | They did have a TakeThat on the Far-Left with the painfully forced pandering in the in-universe movie Dawn of the Seven, so it's logical that the show may feature other take thats against the Far-Left. |
| 423 | ** Doubtful, they did not do a TakeThat on the Far-left regarding the Dawn of the Seven, it was more a TakeThat against corporations playing fake social-awareness and acceptance in order to sell a product. Hence Vought trying to sell Queen Maeve as an [[NoBisexuals empowered lesbian despite her being bisexual.]] Because main stream America that they are selling a product to found bisexuals "confusing." Also, it was not a TakeThat against the Far-Left but seemingly a tongue in cheek TakeThat towards the MCU DC movie franchises and their manufactured [[{{Narm}} moments of grandeur.]] Plus they already did a radical female villain this season, albeit more fascist then feminist with this version of Stormfront. With that out of the way they seem to have already set up the main plot for next year, corporate and political conspiracy and Vought's move into the corridors of power.[[spoiler: Especially if Congresswoman Neuman has been working for them the whole time.]] |
| 424 | |
| 425 | |
| 426 | [[WMG:Starlight will eventually regain her faith.]] |
| 427 | * Possibly confirmed, as seeing Butcher act selflessly in the Season 2 finale caused her to semi-jokingly quip that maybe there is a god if he can do the right thing once in a while. |
| 428 | |
| 429 | [[WMG:There are multiple Black Noirs, and they are all clones of different superheroes.]] |
| 430 | |
| 431 | [[WMG:The Headsploder Supe is Congresswoman Victoria Neuman]] |
| 432 | |
| 433 | The Headsploder is Congresswoman Victoria Neuman, secretly working for Vought. Victoria Neuman is the first character shown on screen after the headsploding Supe kills Raynor in S2E1 and the Boys flee, on television screens in Stan Edgar's office. Edgar is shown watching Neuman's television interviews several times this season, which might be a coincidence because Neuman serves as the media opposition figure in-universe, but could also be because they are actually allies and he is watching her performances because her television appearances are part of Vought's plans to take advantage of anti-superhero sentiment. |
| 434 | |
| 435 | Her meeting with the Boys and Lamplighter in S2E7 does not disprove this theory, as she had already left the Boys alive in their conversation with Raynor, and Lamplighter would only have needed to be silenced if he testified in front of Congress. When the Headsploder strikes again at the congressional hearing, Victoria Neuman is there as part of the proceeding. She is shown looking directly at the first congressman when his head explodes, then again shown looking directly at her assistant when her head explodes. |
| 436 | |
| 437 | Her name of Neuman is also important because there was a Vic Neuman in the comics, a politician who formerly worked for Vought. Neuman may also be a reference to Vought's goal of creating a new race of superhumans with Compound V. Stormfront and Homelander's public crusade against super-terrorists might not be successful for Vought, especially because of the collateral damage they cause, so Vought is playing both sides of the public debate over superheroes. Neuman is probably Vought's true plan, while everyone is distracted with culture wars, infiltrate and take over the U.S. government so they directly create the policies they want and answer to no one. |
| 438 | |
| 439 | The Church of the Collective is a red herring, but probably a reference to Church of Scientology's attempt to infiltrate the U.S. government in the 1970s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White ) |
| 440 | |
| 441 | |
| 442 | Girls Get It Done. |
| 443 | |
| 444 | [[spoiler:Confirmed in S2, E8, and now [[OhCrap Hughie is working for her and is unaware of this]]...]] |
| 445 | [[/folder]] |
| 446 | |
| 447 | [[folder:Post Season 2 & Pre-Season 3 WMG]] |
| 448 | |
| 449 | [[WMG:A theory of the Show's ending]] |
| 450 | At the end of the show, Compound V will somehow have been introduced into the population with new Superpowered Humans popping up outside of Vought's control (Vought having been somehow diminished or completely dismantled). To counter this, The Boys will become an official CIA team tasked with regulating the Supes (like in the comics) when they begin to threaten national security in any way. Starlight will officially join the Boys, having decided to focus her drive for justice into helping regulate her fellow Supes. |
| 451 | |
| 452 | [[WMG:Stormfront will eventually return as a villain, with cybernetic new limbs.]] |
| 453 | |
| 454 | [[WMG:The Deep will eventually turn to villainy, although perhaps just on a small scale, out of a combination of the Seven not re-accepting him and his desire to protect marine lifeforms.]] |
| 455 | |
| 456 | [[WMG:Vought will willingly allow some other superheroine to have the Stormfront code-name.]] |
| 457 | * And in a fit of written irony from the writers, this new Stormfront will be a never-aging Jewish woman who was a victim of the Nazis. Her powers will be the first Stormfront's power-set will be superhuman strength, speed, durability, leap, agility, and reflexes, flight using kinetic energy, electricity manipulation, wind manipulation, water manipulation, a healing factor, superhuman immune system and metabolism, self-sustenance, and unlike the first Stormfront who ages slowly, this new Stormfront stopped aging altogether since she was 20. |
| 458 | * This Jewish woman admits that she chose the name Stormfront to take it back from Neo-Nazis out of spite against those Neo-Nazis. |
| 459 | |
| 460 | [[WMG:If Homelander ever hits rock bottom he might try for a RedemptionEqualsDeath moment, not as much out of selflessness but to try to rescue his legacy.]] |
| 461 | |
| 462 | [[WMG:Prior to the events of the show, Stan Edgar wrested control of Vought away from Stormfront.]] |
| 463 | * As Vought's widow, Stormfront very likely inherited stock in his corporation. Vought's push toward militarizing superheroes and developing an adult-safe version of Compound V both fall directly in line with Stormfront's views. |
| 464 | * In contrast, Mr. Edgar is more interested in developing Vought's wider portfolio and concentrates mainly on keeping his superheroes palatable and profitable. |
| 465 | * Mr. Edgar has made offhand references to facing racism in his corporate career and peddling "bullshit to the stockholders." This could mean grappling with Stormfront's white supremacy and continuing the militarization research as a sop to her. |
| 466 | * Finally, he could have put Stormfront on the Seven in order to preoccupy her -- and maybe even hoping to put her in the path of potentially-lethal enemies like Homelander's supervillains or the Boys. |
| 467 | |
| 468 | [[WMG:Season 3 Developments]] |
| 469 | |
| 470 | * The Boys will reunite at the end of the first episode, played out to [[Music/ThinLizzy The Boys are Back in Town]], as a direct result of Hughie piecing together that [[spoiler:Victoria Neuman is the one exploding the heads of Vought's enemies, as a result of spending a year as her staffer.]] |
| 471 | ** {{Jossed}} on [[spoiler: the song choice and reuniting.]] but the rest is correct. |
| 472 | * Black Noir will have lived, OR he will be replaced by a SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute, leading to a scene where Frenchie or Starlight will try to incapacitate him with tree nuts, only to fail horribly. |
| 473 | |
| 474 | * MM's wife and daughter will come to terms with his new status, and the central conflict will be related instead to his widowed mother, as alluded to in Season 2. |
| 475 | |
| 476 | * Tek Knight will replace Stormfront on The Seven, meanwhile Crimson Countess will be the main character of the upcoming spinoff. |
| 477 | ** {{Jossed}}, Tek Knight wasn't in the running. |
| 478 | * The Deep will start working with Eagle the Archer as well as Soldier Boy, his reputation salvaged, and the three will work to expose both Vought and the Church of the Collective. Possible place to introduce The Legend. |
| 479 | ** Half-{{Jossed}}, It appears to be Deep by himself with his wife from the cult attempting to expose the cult while working within Vought's mandates and protocols. |
| 480 | * Starlight's father will come back, and a major subplot of the season is Starlight trying to understand his place in her life. |
| 481 | |
| 482 | * Vought will try to do something with SmokingIsCool, probably with Queen Maeve, and fail horrendously in the process. |
| 483 | |
| 484 | * John Goldokin will have a supporting role as a [[BackDoorPilot lead-in]] for the upcoming ''G-Men'' spin-off. |
| 485 | |
| 486 | [[WMG:The reason why the views on sexuality in the Boys TV Show Universe are the same from the '90s/early 2000's:]] |
| 487 | * Even though society is largely the same as today, the social values for the Fundamentalist Christian characters about sex are still around the same as they were in the 90's/early 2000's. This is most likely because the "religious" superheroes such as an unnamed female superhero with wings helped elevate the Fundamentalists' views as they likely used the aforementioned "religious" superheroes to ease each of their consciousness. |
| 488 | ** Also for the Fundamentalist Christians in The Boys Universe, their regressive views are reinforced by how they believe that their version of God gave the superheroes their powers, further helping in easing themselves about their anti-gay beliefs. |
| 489 | |
| 490 | [[WMG:Homelander's gloves.]] |
| 491 | The reason why Homelander wears gloves, besides not wanting to get his hands literally dirty, is because the fingerprints might incriminate him for murders due to DisproportionateRetribution and Vought will have a more difficult time covering up for him. |
| 492 | |
| 493 | [[WMG:Soldier Boy will be placed on the Seven as a way to redeem the team after the Stormfront scandal]] |
| 494 | Whate better way to erase the stigma of having the team involving a Nazi (who was sleeping with the leader) than to replace her with a greatest generation war hero? The difference may be that he'll be sold as the real deal, rather than the legacy character he truly is. |
| 495 | |
| 496 | [[WMG:Dakota Bob will appear in season 3]] |
| 497 | In season 3 Neuman will be running a succesful campaign to win the DNC nomination for President, and the team will learn early on that she is a supe. To stop a supe and possible Vought plant from becoming POTUS, Mallory and the Boys will work to get someone else chosen; Robert Schaeffer (the role Jeffrey Dean Morgan was cast as pre COVID) from one of the Dakotas, who is genuinely anti-Vought. Neuman will still be chosen as his running mate. Season 4 will open with Schaeffer winning the election. |
| 498 | ** Confirmed, in a way [[spoiler: it's mentioned that people have started calling Secretary of Defence Robert Singer "Dakota Bob", meaning he is the series version, and he is running for president. He's mentioned in episode 2 by Gunpowder at a gun convention speech as a left leaning candidate. ]] |
| 499 | |
| 500 | [[WMG:Neumann will eventually offer brain damage, possibly as the result of a fight or assassination attempt, and become more like the comic version of Vic the Veep]] |
| 501 | |
| 502 | [[WMG:Why Hughie did not notice the corruption in the superhero community before.]] |
| 503 | Hughie as an AudienceSurrogate with AdaptationalIntelligence. In the comics, he was barely even aware Supes existed until A-Train chunky salsa'ed his girlfriend, while in the series, he's a big fan. Seems odd, since the comics used the excuse of Hughie's ignorance about Supes to InfoDump about them and how they work in that world. Hughie already being a fan would seem to eliminate that. . . except most people interested in the series are probably already superhero fans, especially of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse and/or Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse, so have a working knowledge of the superhero genre just like Hughie. . . and just like Hughie, get their expectations subverted as we learn, along with him, what the Supes are ''really'' like. |
| 504 | |
| 505 | [[WMG:A legitimately heroic Supe will get introduced in season 3]] |
| 506 | Because they refuse to get their hands dirty, Vought saw them as a liability and blacklisted them. Instead, they fight crime from the shadows. The difference between them and the Boys is that they put justice above all and [[ThouShaltNotKill refuse to kill their enemies]]. |
| 507 | Possible Superheroes they'll be Expies of could include: |
| 508 | * Spider-Man: His blacklisted status could be a nod to the hell it was for Disney to get to use Spidey in the MCU. He's somebody even Vought can't buy. |
| 509 | ** Doubtfull, since the comics already had their own version of Spider-Man, called Webweaver, and he is the first Supe actually killed by the Boys (Mallory and Butcher, at that point). |
| 510 | * Shazam / Captain Marvel: [[spoiler: Ryan]] could very well fit the role, minus the ability to alter his physical age. |
| 511 | * Iron Man: His power could be super intelligence. |
| 512 | ** Again, doubtfull, because Tek-Knight is basically their version of Iron Man and he does in fact exist in-universe (as confirmed by the group therapy scene in season one). However, he still might become a neutral/positive Supe since in the comics he was one of the few actually decent Supes who actually wanted to help people [[spoiler:sexual brain-tumor not withstanding]]. |
| 513 | * The Hulk: It'd be ironic that a parody of the superhero known for being powered by his anger and has a monstrous appearance is actually a NiceGuy both in and out of his beastly form. Instead, his transformation is fueled by fear. |
| 514 | * [[Manga/MyHeroAcademia Deku]]: Bit of a stretch to expect an anime character getting parodied, but Deku is as genuinely heroic as they come. In contrast to Deku, who was a big superhero fanboy, this guy started off as a cynic who believed Superheroes care more about their image than justice. However, his worldview changes when he develops a heart condition, and a Supe who is an Expy of All-Might donates his to save his life. The Supe's sacrifice makes him realizes that superheroes can be good people. Since this was before the truth about Compound V got out, the transplant caused him to develop powers. |
| 515 | |
| 516 | [[WMG:Alternatively, legitimately heroic Supes will be willing to use lethal force, but ONLY against irredeemably evil people]] |
| 517 | And for added irony, they'll be heroic expies of anti-heroes and supervillains. Guesses can be added here: |
| 518 | * A former marine loses his wife and kids to a corrupt Supe, so he gathers up various high-tech weapons that can hurt Supes and becomes an EmpoweredBadassNormal superhero in order to combat the corrupt superheroes and the supervillains Homelander created (Based on Punisher). |
| 519 | * A federal agent with Compound V-induced superhuman speed and the additional power to copy non-powered skills that he sees uses his powers and his skills as a fed in order to combat the corrupt superheroes and the engineered supervillains (Based on Taskmaster). |
| 520 | * A man with Compound V-induced super-speed and is dedicated to inventing high-tech items to prepare for the future using his super-speed brain uses his super-speed and his inventions to combat the corrupt superheroes and the Homelander-created supervillains (Based on Professor Zoom). |
| 521 | * A scientist who lost his wife to Homelander creates a high-tech suit that grants him ice manipulation and superhuman strength and also created an ice gun and uses his suit and ice gun to combat the supervillains and corrupt superheroes in order to avenge his wife (Based on Mr. Freeze). |
| 522 | * A woman who was a marine is injected with a completely different formula known as Compound S (the S standing for 'solution'. Compound S has been secretly created by the US military and has been kept so secret, even Vought is unaware of Compound S) who's Compound V-powered husband was murdered by A-Train and one of A-Train's other superpowered friends (NOT a member of The Seven) out of jealous spite. Now she uses her military skills and her Compound S powers of superhuman strength, durability, speed, and leap, superhuman senses of smell, taste, touch, hearing, and sight, a healing factor, superhuman pain resistance, immune system, and metabolism, slowed-down aging, self-sustenance, and water manipulation in order to fight against Vought, supervillains, and corrupt superheroes (Basically, what if Rachel Cole-Alves had superpowers?). |
| 523 | |
| 524 | [[WMG:An established geniunely heroic Supe who wishes to bring down the whole production of compound V]] |
| 525 | To build off the legitimately heroic supe [=WMGs=] above, there may those who feel like the idea of being able to make a superhero or terrorist/villain in a vial is too much for humanity not to be corrupted by and takes it on themselves to try and take down those producing it separately from the Boys or the Seven's member who are against Homelander's and Vought's schemes. |
| 526 | |
| 527 | [[WMG:The Crimson Countess is Shockwave's twin sister]] |
| 528 | * Seeing as A-Train, the primary Quicksilver expy, already has his family background established, why not Shockwave? |
| 529 | * In fact, why not take it a step further, and make her father a "super-terrorist" working against Vought? |
| 530 | ** Maybe they're recruiting these two as effectively "hostages" against their father... |
| 531 | ** Maybe more of this would be built on in the G-Men spinoff |
| 532 | * {{Jossed}}, it's confirmed that she's old enough to have been an adult who was Soldier Boy's ally and publicly known as his lover during the 80s while both were on the team '' Payback'' helping the Sandanitas in South America. |
| 533 | |
| 534 | [[WMG:The G-Men spinoff will involve an X-Men: The Last Stand-esque conflict against a supe cure]] |
| 535 | [[WMG:Shockwave was killed because he's too clean.]] |
| 536 | Whether Victoria works for Vought or not, as a politician she needs dirt to use against others, and her primary campaign is blaming Vought. Shockwave, unlike A-Train has no bad rep which she could use to political benefit. |
| 537 | |
| 538 | [[WMG:An in-universe NoCelebritiesWereHarmed stand-in for Tom Cruise will show up in Season 3.]] |
| 539 | And he will take over as leader of the Church of the Collective. |
| 540 | |
| 541 | [[WMG:A radical feminist villain will show up in Season 3]] |
| 542 | And she'll be a deconstruction of [=SJWs=]. In the sequel comic Dear Becky, there was an off-mention of "woke people" (another term for [=SJWs=]), where the comic book version of Hughie calls them virtue-signallers who only want to look good before they "fuck off" back to their suburbs. So this would not be surprising. |
| 543 | * Seem's highly unlikely because there would be no reason to add such a character, no point. Not only that they already had such a character and devoted time to such a character, who used fake feminism to dogwhistle their racism. Also while the Boys is more [[PragmaticAdaptation practical in the adaption of the comics]] they do have characters and themes from the comics to use to further the story. Adapted for the modern age and used more practically and organically. There is no such character in the comic so no need to have one again. The show has only nine episodes, and a lot of characters. The show runners so far have shown no interest in such a TakeThat, instead targeting alt-right, branding, mega corporations utilizing movements for profit and utilising faith based organizations for clout. Also they already had such a character in Stormfront, they have no reason to add another story wise as it would serve no purpose. |
| 544 | |
| 545 | [[WMG:A Supe terrorist who's an Alt-Righter will show up.]] |
| 546 | And he'll be a fanboy of Stormfront in denial of Stormfront's Nazism. |
| 547 | * Hell, it would not even have to be a Supe. Could be an online conspiracy group posting how it was all fake, doctored etc etc. Such a group with money behind it could be more of a problem then a Supe terrorist. A Supe terrorist you could take down, such misinformation widespread like a virus can be far more dangerous and harder to beat. |
| 548 | ** Fair enough. To be fair, this online conspiracy group could be comprised of both Supe terrorists and BadassNormal villains, working together as a group and also serving as an EvilCounterpart of The Boys team. They could be lead by an eviler counterpart of Billy Butcher, with an EvilCounterpart of Kimiko as their muscle which would also reference how some Neo-Nazis/White Supremacists view Asians as the so-called "model minority". |
| 549 | ** Also the Supe terrorist who's a fanboy of Stormfront and in denial of her Nazism could just be a SpannerInTheWorks for this group, he'll be an EvilCounterpart to Starlight, his power being digital data manipulation allowing him to create hard-light constructs from video games. In terms of morals, he'll basically be an evil karma Eugene Sims with the fanboyism taken up to eleven and Nazism added to the mix, except he'll be oblivious to the fact that he's embracing Nazism. |
| 550 | |
| 551 | [[WMG:A Supe that's a more blatant Expy of the comics book version of Stormfront will show up as a villain in Season 3.]] |
| 552 | And as a mythology gag, he's have the powers of the comic book version of Stormfront, including lightning projecting from his mouth. Ryan will be the one to take down the Stormfront-inspired supervillain. |
| 553 | |
| 554 | [[WMG:Soldier Boy will take after Ultimate Cap, William Burnside and John Walker.]] |
| 555 | * Instead of being like the idealistic ahead of his time Boy Scout that Steve Rogers was, Soldier Boy will have the prejudices of his time though not to the extent of Nazi Stormfront. In like how the three different Caps I listed were signs of their times. |
| 556 | ** Apparently Soldier Boy never went missing or frozen after WWII, so he wouldn't have the same culture schism that Ult Cap and Burnside did. He would have lived through the years during which change happened. How much or how little he would have been affected by change is up in the air, though. |
| 557 | * Confirmed [[spoiler: during his appearances in a 1980s flash back, he's shown to be a chauvinist and sexist in his sexual advances toward a younger Mallory. She in response directly tells him that his approach works with civilian women, not because women find him attractive for but intimidating due to knowing he's super powered and publicly popular, which he seemingly brushes off.]] |
| 558 | |
| 559 | [[WMG:Season 3 will feature a widespread conspiracy theory claiming Stormfront did nothing wrong.]] |
| 560 | Bonus points if said theory takes cues from real life's Q Anon theories and posits that Stormfront was taken down by Vought to cover up their crimes. |
| 561 | * Partially Confirmed, with a group called the "Stormchasers" who are seen brandishing signs saying she was right. No mention of Vought based plans to have her taken down tho nor it being widespread as Q. |
| 562 | |
| 563 | [[WMG:More Radical Islamic Terrorist Supes will show up.]] |
| 564 | And they will be original villains NOT based on any real-world terrorists of any sorts. |
| 565 | |
| 566 | [[WMG:Season 3 will have superheroes from other countries show up.]] |
| 567 | For example, Japanese superheroes based on {{Anime}} characters, German superheroes based on German folklore, Norwegian and Swedish superheroes more obviously based on Norse mythology, etc. |
| 568 | * Doubtful, while superheroes based on Norse mythology, German mythology, Swedish themes etc did turn up in the comic. They where based in America as Vought was the only company with Compound V, therefore the only company that could make supes. Which is why in season one and two they did not show superhuman perspectives outside of the states regarding supers in the military. As the only superhumans in existence where Vought exclusive. In fact the reason that Stormfront was about to sow so much fear was the American citizens dealing with superhumans that where not Americans, playing on the fear of the "other". It is also the reason Vought is so powerful and gets away with so much in the United States is that they provide America with something the rest of the world does not have, nor have shown to ever have. Real life superhumans, which also ties in why the Christian fundamentalists loved them so much; [[FridgeBrilliance superhumans being born only in America proved that America (to them) was the chosen country of God.]]. That being said it is entirely possible that we will see other major companies overseas attempt to create superhumans with less then stellar success. Barring that it would be fascinating to see if we see Vought engage in corporate espionage to ensure that they are the worlds only source for superhumans. Including dispatching Black Noir or other supes to drop the hammer on any potential successes on their rivals part. |
| 569 | |
| 570 | [[WMG:Since Queen Maeve is based on Irish mythology, it stems to reason that we'll get to see other superheroes based on other mythologies.]] |
| 571 | Vought probably wants to appeal to other countries, after all. |
| 572 | |
| 573 | [[WMG:Season 3 will have several rival companies to Vought create their own superhumans in 2020, and they will succeed.]] |
| 574 | Needless to say, Stan Edgar would NOT like this. |
| 575 | |
| 576 | [[WMG:We'll see a team of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII-era supes led by Soldier Boy]] |
| 577 | * They'll be patterned after the ComicBook/{{The Invaders|MarvelComics}} and the ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica. |
| 578 | * Half-Confirmed, Payback, led by Soldier Boy, is seen to be deployed to several conflicts with a notably more Avengers style team composition that's a mix of several eras. |
| 579 | |
| 580 | [[WMG:The unseen Alex Jones {{expy}} on the in-universe radio in Season 2 will be a Supe himself.]] |
| 581 | One who has been made as a result of an ex-employee stealing a Compound V sample and then selling that sample to the Alex Jones stand-in. |
| 582 | * The Alex Jones stand-in will also know of another power-granting formula known as Compound S (Compound Solution), which is so secretive that not even Vought knows about Compound S. |
| 583 | * Another company will buy Compound S, and when Vought learns about Compound S, it will lead to a corporate war of sorts between Vought and this other company. |
| 584 | |
| 585 | [[WMG:Music/BillyJoel is a Supe.]] |
| 586 | His abilities in the music video for ''You're Only Human'' (teleporting and showing the boy visions of possible futures) aren't trick photography, he's actually able to do that. He uses those powers to help people who are going through trauma and contemplating suicide. |
| 587 | |
| 588 | [[WMG:We'll get a spin-off series starring other superheroes that genuinely are heroes similar to Starlight in terms of morals.]] |
| 589 | And this will help Billy Butcher relax his views on supes a bit more. |
| 590 | |
| 591 | [[WMG:We'll eventually get a NoCelebritiesWereHarmed character based on Steven L. Anderson as an additional antagonist.]] |
| 592 | |
| 593 | [[WMG:Victoria Neuman is Cindy's older sister.]] |
| 594 | The power set runs in the family,and Victoria has better control, being the older sibling. |
| 595 | |
| 596 | [[WMG:Season 3 will reveal that The Deep got beaten to death by a mob of female superheroes.]] |
| 597 | * Seemingly Jossed, His public image at very least is notably upswing and outside of a few outburst from Starlight out of public view, no female supes have been notably hostile toward him,... But he still doesn't have it easy. |
| 598 | |
| 599 | [[WMG:There will be a {{Expy}} of [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Thanos]] ]] |
| 600 | And they will be a Supe who snapped after Vought’s corruption and so much hardships. They now seek to destroy the world. He or she might become the FinalBoss to The Boys. |
| 601 | |
| 602 | [[WMG:We'll eventually get an adaptation of Uber.]] |
| 603 | And it will be set in the same universe as the 2019 Boys TV Show Universe. |
| 604 | * And in a fit of irony, one of Billy Butcher's best friends will turn out to be an Uber, with Billy fully aware of this. |
| 605 | * Alternatively, Billy himself turns out to be an Uber. |
| 606 | |
| 607 | [[WMG:Robert Singer is the show's version of Dakota Bob]] |
| 608 | Both are anti-supe, right-wing politicians with a background in the arms industry, with the same first name and the same second initial. |
| 609 | * Confirmed. |
| 610 | |
| 611 | [[WMG:Billy Butcher will steal one of Tek-Knight's powered armor suits, and will also steal some other suits Tek-Knight had for M.M, Frenchie, and Hughie.]] |
| 612 | And in a fit of irony, Billy's mech-suit can mimic some of the Seven's powers. |
| 613 | * Billy: -realizing that one of the power-sets his mech-suit can mimic is Homelander's powers- "Oh bollocks." -sigh- "Beggars can't be fucking choosers". |
| 614 | |
| 615 | [[WMG:Homelander will go on a rampage comparable to Omni-Man]] |
| 616 | * With little left to lose, It's clear that Homelander is a ticking time bomb by the end of Season 2, and it won't take much for him to go over the edge. |
| 617 | |
| 618 | [[WMG:There will be a Franchise/{{Hellboy}} Expy.]] |
| 619 | |
| 620 | [[WMG:There will be a TakeThat at Disney's tendency to pander to the Chinese government]] |
| 621 | Two possibilities: |
| 622 | * Vought's pushing of Queen Maeve's sexuality will lead to ''Dawn Of The Seven'' getting BannedInChina, crippling their profits, so she gets cut from The Seven. |
| 623 | * There will be a Tibetan Supe (who will be an Expy of both ComicBook/DoctorStrange and The Ancient One) who will audition to replace Stormfront in The Seven, but immediately gets rejected. |
| 624 | |
| 625 | [[WMG:There will be a Franchise/ResidentEvil crossover.]] |
| 626 | Forcing The Boys and The Seven to form an EnemyMine to take down Umbrella Corporation remnants, while also taking down BOWs. |
| 627 | |
| 628 | [[WMG:The Deep can't really talk to animals.]] |
| 629 | At least not the way he thinks he can. The series is relatively grounded (as much as it can be, anyway) otherwise, except for The Deep's communication with sea creatures. He reminisces about hearing goldfish begging for their lives as a child, has a conversation with a lobster in a grocery store, and argues with a dolphin that apparently wants a handjob, all of which are apparently as sentient and English-fluent as their counterparts in a Disney cartoon. He is undeniably able to control marine animals via some kind of psychic ability, but what if they only talk back to him in his own imagination? Many, if not most, of the supes have some kind of mental health problem (or a whole long list of them), and The Deep is no exception. Which seems more likely? That the various personalities he perceives in aquatic animals are constructs of his own deluded imagination? Or that a sperm whale actually called herself Lucy? |
| 630 | * HARD {{JOSSED}} by episode 3 Of Season 3. [[spoiler: During episode 2, it's established he is seemingly getting off while having sex with his wife by talking to an octopus they keep in a tank next to their bed, who is clearly presenting its undercarriage to him. In the following episode he's then asked to eat the same Octopus while it's alive to show his loyalty to an ever increasingly unstable Homelander, he explains it's his friend Timothy, who has a wife and childern, before finally eating it though it visibly struggles against him.]] |
| 631 | [[WMG:Stan Edgar is racist]] |
| 632 | In his case, he’s racist against other Black people that he deems “inferior” in comparison to himself, similar to Candace Owen’s internalized racism. |
| 633 | |
| 634 | [[WMG:Billy Butcher will steal one of Tek-Knight’s high-tech suits of armor and use it to beat Homelander to death.]] |
| 635 | |
| 636 | [[WMG:There will be a The Boys/Duke Nukem crossover, if Duke Nukem ever gets a TV show adapted by Amazon]] |
| 637 | Duke, the EDF, the Boys, Starlight, Queen Maeve, and Ryan Butcher will have to take down supervillains, Vought, the corrupt superheroes, and corporations who have reverse-engineered alien technology. |
| 638 | |
| 639 | [[WMG: Ryan won't grow up to be like Homelander at all. Instead, he'll be the reverse.]] |
| 640 | Ryan will grow up to idolize regular humans and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters despise Supes,]] potentially to an unhealthy degree. His mother's death will act like a martyr in his mind as the moment Supes ruined his life. The first Supes that he ever met [[HumiliationConga pushed him off of a roof, kidnapped him, murdered a bunch of soldiers, and almost killed his mother, which resulted in him ''actually'' killing his mother.]] It should be noted that the first person Ryan ever truly hated was Stormfront, and by the end of the ordeal he was terrified of Homelander as well. His experience with both of them, even the moments where he was happy, will forever be tainted by the death of his mother and he'll grow to hate The Seven (If its still around when he's an adult). |
| 641 | |
| 642 | [[WMG: On the contrary, Ryan will grow up to be a ''surprisingly'' well-adjusted Supe.]] |
| 643 | One of the things that really nails a Supe's potential for good in the coffin is an unhealthy childhood heavily defined by having powers. While almost every other Supe in the show have had their entire lives defined by their powers (Starlight's mother was a pageant mom, Homelander was raised in a lab, A-Train's family was dependent on his talents, etc), Ryan is unique in that he was basically raised as a relatively normal, if isolated, child by a loving parent who didn't want to define him by his powers or lineage. Being later adopted by Mallory also helps, since, due to her past with heroes, she's unlikely to try and exploit him for fear of him becoming like Homelander, and the rest of her agency may try to avoid it as well. Combined with the fact that only a few people know of his existence, and it basically means that Ryan has a truly unique experience of being immensely powerful yet completely pushed from the spotlight, with very little public scrutiny like other Supes. It's quite likely that he could get some proper therapy for his trauma (The incident with his mother), and when he's older and more mature the context of his life can be explained to him. |
| 644 | |
| 645 | [[WMG: Soldier Boy is ''geniunely'' a heroic Supe, who the Boys won't trust at first due to their prejudices.]] |
| 646 | Basically, what it says on the tin. Soldier Boy will start out in the season working toghether with the Boys, and they won't trust that he actually a decent person who wants to clean up Vought, believing that he has some kind of secondary agenda - due to his war-veteran look, gruff persona and willigness to kill (resembling his Supernatural character in more ways than one). Throughout the season it will be revealed that he is the real deal, and is actually a super-patriotic force for good, the kind of person Homelander pretends to be. He then either becomes a main-stay in the series, or dies by way of heroic sacrifice at the end of the season. This will also fit with his comic-book origins, where both Soldier Boys were portrayed as geniunely good, if naive, people. The chauvinist with outdated ideas role will be then taken up by the new Series-exclusive Supe, Blue Hawk, as a joke on the institutionalized racism inside the actual, real-life police force. |
| 647 | |
| 648 | [[WMG: If they ever actually introduce a Jewish [=WW2=]-era Supe as a foil/counterpart to Stormfront, his name will be the Golem and he will be severely deformed due to ingesting an untested, beta-version, of Compound V]] |
| 649 | And he will also be an expy of Ben Grimm. |
| 650 | |
| 651 | [[WMG: If a Youngblood TV series is ever made by Amazon, there will be a crossover between the Boys TV Show and a potential Youngblood TV series.]] |
| 652 | To see the Youngblood teams band together with Starlight, Queen Maeve, and the Boys and battle Homelander, The Deep, A-Train, Black Noir and other corrupt superheroes. |
| 653 | |
| 654 | [[WMG: A NoCelebritiesWereHarmed version of Candace Owens will show up, and she'll be a close reluctant ally to Stan Edgar.]] |
| 655 | * And like Candace Owens, she'll be a self-hating racist who covertly puts down other Black people. |
| 656 | |
| 657 | [[WMG: Billy will go mad with power and Hughie will have to fight him]] |
| 658 | Billy is taking Compound V to be able to go up against Homelander, but will obviously end up going overboard. So one of the team must Supe up to fight him. This will most likely be Hughie, who will gain super speed akin to A-Train, leading to a Strength versus Speed brawl. |
| 659 | |
| 660 | [[WMG: Soldier Boy is still alive]] |
| 661 | We didn't see him die on-screen, and we didn't see a corpse. That just reeks of FakingTheDead. |
| 662 | * Previews hint that its not intentional. He seems to have been locked in some kind of container, probably part of a soviet attempt to study him and his powers. |
| 663 | |
| 664 | [[/folder]] |
| 665 | |
| 666 | [[folder:Season 3 WMG]] |
| 667 | |
| 668 | [[WMG: Soldier Boy's kidnapping was faked]] |
| 669 | In the series, a panicked Crimson Countess tells Grace Mallory that the enemy killed Soldier Boy with a superweapon and the supes saw this happen despite Mallory's claims that it was impossible. During the battle, the enemy had no problems shooting at the Supes with regular weapons and was even able to kill Swatto with a rocket launcher. If you pay attention during the fight against Soldier Boy, the enemy is fighting at close range rather than at long distance, despite having the numbers to overwhelm him and shoot him while his back is turned. If the enemy really had a superweapon, they should have used it in the first place. Considering that Soldier Boy is a PhonyVeteran in the comic, it's likely that he surrendered to the enemy to save his own skin (or for a different reason) and Vought covered up his treachery for publicity and to boost their plan to get Supes in the military. Either that or Stan Edgar hired mercenaries or actors to stage an attack on the camp and severely underestimated how stupid and undisciplined Payback actually was. Vought staged Soldier Boy's kidnapping because he was the perfect all-American hero and Vought told everyone else to lie to Mallory about what happened. |
| 670 | ** Is he though? Out of all the Payback members he seemed to be the only one who actually knew what the hell he was doing, and not killing his own men. Even Black Noir - Edgar's go-to assassin - was accidentally killing Contra's, while Soldier Boy was very easily fending off multiple Sandinistas at once. He also immediately raised his shield for protection, on pure instinct. That is not the behavior of the fake veteran he was in the comic, and it suggests he actually had seen some action before. Besides, the reason why they weren't overwhelming them was that it was absolute bloody chaos - from the Crimson Countess running around turning everyone she saw into ludricious gibs to Gunpowder being way too excited at sitting behind the machine gun. Mallory said it herself - she lost 116 men that day. Payback caused enormous destruction. He looks more like the guy Chester Phillips (the general from Captain America) was suggesting for the Super-Soldier program at first before they choose Steve Rogers, a good soldier but an awful person. It seems to be much more likely he was kidnapped/taken out of the picture because of how unstable he was. Think about it - a drug-addicted, narcissistic, alcoholic, super-human with potentially nuclear powers in the middle of the Cold War. It is a disaster waiting to happen. Stan Edgar is the kind of person to actually do something like that, in order to minimalize the consequences. It could even be that Grace exaggerated his unprofessionalism to prevent Butcher from following up on the lead because she was in on the plan - either working together with the Russians and Vought or hiring mercenaries to kidnap and freeze him in place. |
| 671 | ** As of now seemingly [[spoiler: jossed, he was in an actual russian facility]] |
| 672 | ** I was half-right, [[spoiler: Black Noir's flashback reveals that Vought was involved in his kidnapping because they wanted Homelander to succeed him and Stan Edgar says "Old soldiers fade away". However, I was wrong when I said they hired mercenaries and faked his kidnapping.]] |
| 673 | |
| 674 | [[WMG: Stan Edgar's ultimate goal involves getting rid of Vought's current superheroes]] |
| 675 | During Episode 1, he outright states that he wants to get out of the superhero business and turn Vought into a serious defense and pharmaceutical company. The superheroes are useless as soldiers and he is tired of cleaning up after them. With V24 allowing them to give actual trained soldiers superpowers, they are not needed anymore. He has Neuman running the FBSA, so that when the time is right, she can authorize the use of V24 to takedown those supes who refuse to retire quietly. This will also boost public support using V24 in the military even further. |
| 676 | |
| 677 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: Supersonic is alive and Homelander will use him for psychological torture/to have leverage on Starlight]] ]] |
| 678 | Episode 4 ended with the shocking revelation that Homelander had [[spoiler: killed and mutilated Supersonic as a threat to Starlight, saying that this will happen to Hughie if she doesn't step in line.]] However, this does not really seem to make much sense, considering his character and the way he behaves. Homelander doesn't usually go melee against enemies, and almost never dirties his hands, instead relying on his heat-vision to do the trick. [[spoiler:Ripping someone limb from limb and crushing his face is too sadistic, even for him.]] |
| 679 | |
| 680 | What is fully in character would be kidnapping someone and forcing them to cater to his insane whims, using them as a mental sponge, especially now, with the Seven pretty much falling apart. Why else would he go to such lengths to [[spoiler: crush his head]] if not to hide his identity? So, it looks much more plausible that [[spoiler: Homelander found a random dead man, clad him in Supersonics clothes]], while the real [[spoiler: Supersonic]] is stashed somewhere. Maybe in that cabin from Season 2. [[spoiler: Homelander is now gonna try to break him to then sic him on Starlight, making the two former friends fight for his amusement]] |
| 681 | * The fact that Homelander doesn't know that Maeve was in on the conspiracy lends weight to this. He wouldn't have killed the real Supersonic without making sure he got everything he knew out of him, and Starlight went out of her way to explain to Alex that Maeve was with her. |
| 682 | |
| 683 | [[WMG: Stan Edgar will snap at the end of this season, following the fate of his comic-book counterpart, James Stillwell]] |
| 684 | During the last episode, Stan Edgar said a line very familiar to the readers of the comics, calling Homelander [[spoiler: bad product]]. James Stilwell, basically the Stan Edgar of the comic books said the same line at the [[spoiler: the very end of the comic, after realizing that it is not the supes but V that is the problem, and no matter how much they change their heroes, they will always have these problems.]] As of now, the show deviates heavily from the comic, but it would seem that it does take some clues from its final arc, the [[spoiler: Only Man in the Sky quote]] being proof of that. Stan Edgar is also extremely calm during his meetings with Homelander, despite the latter being ready to execute him on the spot. In contrast to the comics, where Homelander was an incompetent bully, here he is a genuine threat. So why would Stan Edgar stay so calm? Simple - he has/had an ace up his sleeve. [[spoiler: Soldier Boy.]] Seeing how deranged and egoistic all the heroes appeared to be, he had already worked together with the [[spoiler: Russians before Nicaragua, allowing him to develop their Anti-Supe weapon and integrate it into Soldier Boy.]] His final plan was to [[spoiler: send Soldier Boy after Homelander, killing Homelander, to then reintroduce Payback in a modernized version, complete with miraculously surviving Soldier Boy.]] From what we have seen of him, [[spoiler: Soldier Boy]] just appears to be a regular asshole, not psychotic like Homelander, so he is much easier to control. [[spoiler: The Boys however just completely destroyed his plan by releasing Soldier Boy before it was time, and maybe even accidentally allowing Homelander to have a slight advantage. This would lead Edgar to believe that he now has no advantage over Homelander, leading to him going nuts, now permanently being stuck with "bad product".]] |
| 685 | |
| 686 | [[WMG: Something bad will happen with Frenchie, leading to Butcher and MM fighting, Butcher coming to his senses and Soldier Boy betraying the group]] |
| 687 | This one is mostly based upon trailer shots and one [[spoiler: leaked photo from /tv/, apparently showing Frenchie's actor with a bullet in his head/grazed by one.]] At the end of the last episode, the Boys [[spoiler: have completely fallen apart. MM is explicitly no longer part of the Boys, Kimiko is near-death, Frenchie is fucking pissed and Hughie is high off his ass on V.]] Upon their return stateside most of the group will go their separate ways, [[spoiler: staying as far as possible from Hughie and Butcher.]] They will then search for [[spoiler: Soldier Boy, who goes around, uncontrolled, destroying everything in his path, something also seen in the trailers, and convince him to join up with them.]] |
| 688 | Frenchie will [[spoiler: go back to his old habits, get in a jam, and either get seriously injured or even killed.]] This will lead MM and Butcher to have a fight, something also seen in the trailers, with MM pissed at Butcher for being such an asshole. MM will get injured or beaten up (most likely by Butcher), and so, Butcher will finally come to his senses regarding the use of V24, destroying it all, and preventing Hughie from using any. As a result, Soldier Boy will [[spoiler: leave the Boys, and join up with Homelander.]] This seems to be somewhat confirmed by the trailers since they also include a shot of Starlight and MM fighting against Soldier Boy, and if you watch it frame-by-frame then you can see Maeve in the background, losing against Homelander. [[spoiler: VoughtHQ has confirmed that Dominique McElligott will leave this season, and there have been rumors of a fight scene between her and Homelander or Soldier Boy for a while now, meaning that this shot is probably from the finale.]] Another thing supporting this theory is the opening shot for several trailers now, the iconic Kripke-trunk-shot, that clearly takes place post-Russia. This is probably the shot they will use to show the Boys being back together again, not unlike Supernatural did in the past. |
| 689 | * Jossed -- Frenchie ends up going to ground with Kimiko [[spoiler:and while he does get kidnapped by Little Nina, Kimiko rescues him after some time recovering. Butcher and MM have a clean break after MM gets fed up with Butcher's behavior. Butcher nad Hughie are still using V24 to a potentially fatal level, though Butcher seems to be having second thoughts about it, as does Hughie. Soldier Boy goes over to Homelander because ''Homelander is his son'']]. |
| 690 | |
| 691 | [[WMG: Mother’s Milk will attack Todd.]] |
| 692 | Perhaps pushed to the edge over Todd’s support of Homelander or his own influence over Janine, M.M. will viciously attack Todd to the point of almost killing him, and it will further drive a wedge between himself and Monique and Janine. |
| 693 | * Confirmed -- M.M. attacks Todd in episode 7 after the latter takes Janine to a rally Homelander was attending both due to endangering Janine and insulting M.M.'s parenting skills. Todd only receives a single punch, though. |
| 694 | |
| 695 | [[WMG: A-Train will kill one of the Supes.]] |
| 696 | This season is seeing A-Train getting bullied and brought down by Homelander, The Deep, and Blue Hawk. It seems more than likely that, given what Hawk has done this season, he is the easiest target for this season. Assuming The Deep will stick around for another season or two, A-Train might kill him (or attempt to) later on. |
| 697 | ** Confirmed, [[spoiler:Blue Hawk is [[CruelAndUnusualDeath dragged face down across the road at super speeds while fully conscious]], leaving him a bloody mess.]] |
| 698 | |
| 699 | [[WMG: Black Noir is TheMole for Edgar]] |
| 700 | Noir is shown to be loyal to Edgar, and in the flashback, they appear to be close personally too. He is only pretending to take orders from Homelander to stay on his good side. He actually took Maeve to go into hiding. He only decided to defect from Vought and removed his tracker out of fear for Edgar's safety. |
| 701 | * Half Confirmed/Half Jossed. [[spoiler:Black Noir got the green light from Egdar in Nicaragua to take down Soldier Boy and hand him over to the Russians. Maeve is still alive, trapped in some facility, presumably the kind where Starlight was kept in back in Season 2, where Homelander visits her.]] |
| 702 | |
| 703 | [[WMG: Soldier Boy is Homelander's father]] |
| 704 | He's old enough, and he's one of the very few Supes around that's on the same tier as Homelander, power-wise. It's certainly possible that the reason Soldier Boy was sold out to the Russians is because Vought wanted to raise Homelander without his interference to create the "perfect" hero without all his emotional baggage from having fought WWII, etc. And, much like most of Vought's plans, it wound up blowing up in their faces. |
| 705 | * [[spoiler:Confirmed as of episode 7]]. |
| 706 | |
| 707 | [[WMG: Soldier Boy isn't interested in [[spoiler: forming a paternal bond with Homelander]].]] |
| 708 | [[spoiler: He wants to be back on the top of the food chain. He doesn't care that Homelander is his son. And even if he does, one whiff of Homelander's bottomless pit of insecurities and need for constant validation and Soldier Boy will write him off as a failure and decide he'll have a do-over son (or find out about Ryan and hunt him down if his sperm is too radioactive). Either way, Soldier Boy is just playing Homelander so he can be back in the spotlight. And if he has to get rid of Homelander to do that, he doesn't care.]] |
| 709 | |
| 710 | [[WMG: The TV show will become so popular that Garth Ennis will be tempted to make more Boys comic book issues again.]] |
| 711 | * Some [[CanonForeigner characters from the show]] might become {{Canon Immigrant}}s. And a few elements might be [[RetCanon integrated into the comic book canon]]. |
| 712 | |
| 713 | [[WMG: What will happen in the final episode:]] |
| 714 | * The long-awaited fight between Butcher and Homelander. Which might end with their deaths, since Butcher becomes a DeathSeeker due to realizing he's [[TurnOutLikeHisFather just like his father (if not worse)]] and only gets his loved ones killed. As for Homelander, he's finally exposed as the monster he truly is and feels he has nothing left to lose so he would try to destroy the world. |
| 715 | ** Jossed, [[spoiler:Homelander fights with Maeve while Butcher fights with Soldier Boy, because Ryan intervened in the fight and lasered Soldier Boy away from Homelander, Soldier Boy, enraged at the child, [[WouldHurtAChild bashes him with his shield]], which leads to Butcher fail in trying to convince him not to attack Ryan and TeethClenchedTeamwork with Homelander to keep Soldier Boy away from Homelander.]] |
| 716 | * Todd gets killed while joining a pro-Homelander rally. Probably by debris from Butcher and Homelander's fight. |
| 717 | ** Jossed, [[spoiler:Homelander kills a Starlight supporter in the rally for throwing a bottle at Ryan in front of the Stormchasers and his supporters, and Todd being in the rally is initially shocked but then starts cheering for Homelander, and then the others join him, further assuring Homelander that he would be loved no matter what he does.]] |
| 718 | * Ashley also gets killed, or either DrivenToSuicide or sent to a nuthouse because of the stress of it all. |
| 719 | * A-Train makes a HeroicSacrifice[=/=]RedemptionEqualsDeath. |
| 720 | * Vought gets shut down for good. |
| 721 | ** Or, Stan Edgar will regain control of Vought |
| 722 | * An OutsideContextProblem occurs (an AlienInvasion or a GenericDoomsdayVillain shows up). |
| 723 | * Annie/Starlight is pregnant. Pregnancy and children have come up ''constantly'' this season, with Homelander wanting to harvest Maeve's eggs, the supe orphanage, Soldier Boy being Homelander's father. It's even Stormfront's last scene. That plus the way her and Hughie are barreling towards a big reconciliation, it feels fitting. |
| 724 | ** Before that, the two will get into a super-brawl. Annie/Starlight is determine to stop Hughie from taking anymore Temp-V. Hughie becomes fully corrupted by the Temp-V and will not hesitate to hurt Annie if she tries to stop him or interfere with the mission, and upset that she doesn't except a superpowered Hughie and being told that [[NotSoDifferentRemark he's no different from Butcher and Homelander]]. Annie will ask Hughie [[ArmorPiercingQuestion what would Robin think of him now]]. |
| 725 | * Butcher will kill MM, either accidentally or deliberately. This event leads him to fully embrace [[ThenLetMeBeEvil his nature]], pivoting him as the final BigBad of the series. |
| 726 | |
| 727 | [[WMG: If MM takes Temp V, he'll become a BarrierWarrior]] |
| 728 | * There's no real in-universe rules for what powers Temp V grants, but narratively there's a couple patterns: they reflect the user's [[PersonalityPowers personality]] and copy the powers of a supe that the user is connected to. |
| 729 | ** Butcher has a personal vendetta against Homelander, and he solves his problems with violence. Accordingly, he gets Homelander-esque EyeBeams that let him kill and maim easily. |
| 730 | ** Hughie is a tiny bit of a coward and he has a personal vendetta against A-Train. He gets teleportation that superficially resembles A-Train's SuperSpeed. It also leaves him naked, just like his first kill Translucent. |
| 731 | ** Mother's Milk is a TeamMom BruiserWithASoftCenter who has a personal vendetta against Soldier Boy. Accordingly, his power will be a non-violent way to protect his team that also evokes Soldier Boy's shield. |
| 732 | |
| 733 | [[WMG: Related to the above, ''both'' MM and Frenchie will take Temp V to increase their odds against taking out Soldier Boy]] |
| 734 | * Novichok is lethal to normal humans so they'd take it to 'even the odds,' despite decrying Butcher for doing the same. |
| 735 | * And if Frenchie gets powers, he’ll end up with telekinesis to contrast Homelander’s physical powers plus he can use telekinesis to fly mirroring Homelander’s flight. This is because Frenchie is Homelander’s foil in terms of tragic backstories. |
| 736 | |
| 737 | [[WMG: Black Noir will pull a BigDamnHeroes moment during the final battle with Soldier Boy]] |
| 738 | With how much Soldier Boy took from him, it would be cathartic to see Noir stand up to his tormentor and possibly even win this time. |
| 739 | * [[spoiler:Sadly jossed in the season 3 finale, as he was killed by Homelander before it could happen. Although that's still a possibility if Black Noir survived (see theory below) and Soldier Boy got out of the chamber.]] |
| 740 | [[/folder]] |
| 741 | |
| 742 | [[folder:Post Season 3 WMG]] |
| 743 | [[WMG: Butcher will take the original (blue) V to give himself powers permanently and heal his body before his time runs out]] |
| 744 | * He's already crossed the line by abusing V24. Taking the original flavour will allow him to 'level the playing field' without drawbacks, plus his damaged brain will be repaired before it kills him. |
| 745 | |
| 746 | [[WMG: Black Noir will be brought BackFromTheDead [[MythologyGag and given Homelander's powers]]]] |
| 747 | Depends on how he can come back from Homelander ripping out his guts, though. |
| 748 | * Alternatively, Season 4 may introduce a new Black Noir joining the Seven (to conceal the fact that the original Black Noir was killed)... [[MythologyGag who'll actually be Homelander's clone]]. Or maybe Black Noir will return with no explanation and the first episodes will leave people wondering whether the person behind the mask is the actual Black Noir (whose regeneration powers maybe saved his life somehow) or a different person. |
| 749 | ** If a new Black Noir is Homelander's clone, it was Homelander who commissioned it. Because he wants a Black Noir who would never betray him or keep secrets like the old one did (even if he turned out to be right about Soldier Boy). |
| 750 | *** [[CompleteMonster And in a stark contrast to the comics]], [[AdaptationalHeroism Homelander's clone will be apalled by Homelander's actions and perform acts of heroism behind his back]]. |
| 751 | ** Alternatively, he'll be just as bad as his comics counterpart. Homelander has his clone kill enemies for him while he makes public appearances and intends to throw him under the bus should he get caught. The clone will start to feel like he deserves to be the real Homelander since he's been doing the dirty work, and that HL's relationship with Ryan is making him soft. So, he goes on a murderous rampage pretending to be the real Homelander. |
| 752 | * Or he might return in a clone body with no facial scars or damaged brain. |
| 753 | * Another possible explanation for his survival could be that Ashley got him medical attention before it was too late to get back at Homelander for humiliating her with her wig (which could also be why she destroyed the evidence pertaining to Maeve's survival). |
| 754 | |
| 755 | [[WMG: Season 4 will conclude with Butcher and Homelander taking each other out]] |
| 756 | With Soldier Boy in deep freeze and likely not in a cooperative mood even if he wasn't, the available methods of stopping Homelander have been vastly limited. However, his confrontation with Maeve has shown that he's not completely immune to physical trauma, with Maeve making him bleed from the nose and stabbing his ear, suggesting that he could be killed if subjected to powerful physical strikes. And with that vial of V-24 going unused by Hughie in the end, this opens the possibility of Butcher, [[YourDaysAreNumbered now on limited time thanks to his previous abuse of the drug and desperate to both save Ryan and get his revenge]], will wind up taking the Temp V and take up Homelander on his offer for a duel, leading to both their deaths. |
| 757 | |
| 758 | [[WMG: The Boys will use Cindy (from Season 2) as their weapon against Victoria Neuman]] |
| 759 | Both women will try to kill each other with their powers. Even if Victoria somehow wins, she'll be left weakened enough for the Boys to take her down. |
| 760 | |
| 761 | [[WMG: ''The Ballad Of Billy the Kid'' will play during Billy's death scene]] |
| 762 | Since it's clear Billy won't be SparedByTheAdaptation, the song will be fitting for his fate, continuing the theme of a Billy Joel song playing. |
| 763 | |
| 764 | [[WMG: A-Train will replace Maeve as the Boy's inside source in season four]] |
| 765 | Originally A-Train was planning to have a form of RedemptionEquals Death moment avenging his brother and dying in the process. Before that he even genuinely apologised to Hughie and intended to try and to do something right for once. Now in a twist of irony he’s back in the same position as before, still a member of the [[BeingEvilSucks Seven and under the heel of Homelander again]]. Not only that due to [[VillainousFriendship Homelander's instability of losing Noir]], A-Train's position on the Seven is more secure than ever as Homelander is trying to make the Seven appear rock solid. Before that was enough but after losing his brother's respect, he seems unsatisfied with the status quo. His disgust with Homelander and himself will lead him to being the Boy’s inside source, willing to risk death again so that he stands for something for once. |
| 766 | |
| 767 | [[WMG: Todd will become [[FaceHeelTurn more villainous]] in season 4.]] |
| 768 | As shown in the season 3 finale, he's more accepting of Homelander's extreme methods. He'll even have MM's ex-wife and daughter kidnapped to draw out the Boys to show his loyalty, and to get back at MM for hitting him. Todd will end up [[LaserGuidedKarma getting killed for his actions]]. |
| 769 | |
| 770 | [[WMG: Homelander will find out that Maeve and Soldier Boy are still alive.]] |
| 771 | |
| 772 | [[WMG: Jack From Jupiter will be Maeve's replacement in The Seven]] |
| 773 | Guesses on how he'll be portrayed. |
| 774 | * He'll be Cindy from season 2, having gotten a sex change after escaping Sage Grove Center. The alien like appearance is just make-up. |
| 775 | * He'll be an Expy of Star-Lord and the star of [[Franchise/StarWars a sci-fi film franchise]] [[TakeThat that went downhill after it was bought by Vought]]. |
| 776 | * He'll play the "alien" part as him being a conspiracy theorist, meant to be a TakeThat to people like Alex Jones, or, given Homelander's behavior [[{{Trumplica}} parodying and mocking Trump]], a parody of groups like Q-Anon. Bonus points if [[ArmoredClosetGay he's a transphobe/TERF]] [[TransChaser with a thing for transsexuals]]. |
| 777 | |
| 778 | [[WMG: Butcher and Homelander will switch moral alignments]] |
| 779 | Butcher, now with nothing to lose, becomes more violent and cruel. He takes Compound V to give himself powers permanently, and begins a genocide against Supes. Homelander, meanwhile, will actually want to be a good father towards Ryan. His shocked reaction from seeing his followers cheer for him murdering a Starlight supporter was actually disgust and he starts questioning his own actions. So, he tries to be more genuinely heroic (or at least an anti-hero), but ends up being a HeroWithAnFInGood. |
| 780 | * Homelander might secretly kill his extremist followers and lie that a supervillain killed them. |
| 781 | |
| 782 | [[WMG: The show will conclude with a DenouementEpisode loosely adapting the ''Dear Becky'' miniseries]] |
| 783 | It's a given that Season Four is building up to a dying Butcher having one last showdown with Homelander. After the penultimate episode consists of the two killing each other in their final battle, the very last episode will follow a TimeSkip where Hughie and Annie get together now that the threat of Vought and the supes is ancient history and Hughie struggles to face his remaining demons before he can truly start his new life with Annie. |
| 784 | |
| 785 | [[WMG: Ryan will temporarily become The Boys TV Show's version of Barron Trump.]] |
| 786 | |
| 787 | [[WMG: The events of flight 37 will eventually be leaked to the public…and nothing will come of it.]] |
| 788 | In fact, much to the horror of many people InUniverse, some fans of [[BigBad Homelander]] will inexplicably ''praise'' his actions, to reflect his absolutely ridiculous MisaimedFandom in real life. |
| 789 | |
| 790 | [[WMG: Soldier Boy will become the new Black Noir]] |
| 791 | Earving is dead, but Ben will recover and don Black Noirs outfit. |
| 792 | |
| 793 | [[WMG: A TruerToTheText version of Soldier Boy will eventually appear as a replacement.]] |
| 794 | The TV series' Soldier Boy was already vaguely based off the original Soldier Boy from the comics, who was eventually replaced by a more cowardly man after his death. It's likely that the series will adapt this in some shape or form, with the new Soldier Boy being a way for Homelander to throw shade at his father's legacy by having him be everything that his [[AngryWhiteMan father hates]], a cowardly black homosexual man who has his title and is wielding his shield. |
| 795 | |
| 796 | [[WMG: Ryan will eventually learn [[ChildByRape the truth about his conception]]]] |
| 797 | Finding out Homelander raped his mother could permanently turn Ryan against his father. |
| 798 | |
| 799 | [[WMG: There will be a TakeThat to David Zaslav's decision to arbitrarily cancel the ''Batgirl'' film and other projects Creator/WarnerBros had in development prior to the merger with [[Creator/DiscoveryChannel Discovery]].]] |
| 800 | A Vought executive pulls the plug on a planned superhero movie where the protagonist is a woman who is Latina, transgender or both while making the excuse that he didn't think the film would make much money. The news results in angry mobs attacking the Vought offices while pointing out that it's blatant the executive only cancelled the movie because he's a bigot. Maybe the supe who was to star in the film will even give the exeuctive a scathing TheReasonYouSuckSpeech before murdering him. |
| 801 | |
| 802 | [[WMG: The Seven will be disbanded]] |
| 803 | Since Starlight [[TakeThisJobAndShoveIt quit]], Queen Maeve is FakingTheDead, and Black Noir has been KilledOffForReal, Homelander will see no point of trying to replace anyone and just have the Seven disband. He will have the sole chair of floor 99, with A-Train and The Deep being demoted to lesser floors but still be subservient to Homelander. |
| 804 | * Seemingly Jossed [[spoiler: leaked images from the set show that the two new series-exclusive Supes, Firecracker and Sister Sage, become part of the Seven. Furthermore, Black Noir is back and rumors abound that Jeffrey Dean Morgan plays Tek-Knight. This could possibly even turn out to be the first season since season 1 where the Seven actually has Seven members: Firecracker, Sister Sage, Black Noir, the Deep, A-Train, Homelander and Tek-Knight]] |
| 805 | ** Derek Wilson plays Tek-Knight, not JDM, however. |
| 806 | |
| 807 | [[WMG:They'll spoof the attack on the Capitol with an attack by Todd and friends after they are given temp-V by Homelander]] |
| 808 | Dakota Bob will win the election and he already dislikes Homelander. Their riff is only going to get worse now that Homelander is openly evil in public, megalomaniac and a supe supremacist, leading Homelander to try seizing the national government like he did with Vought's leadership. |
| 809 | * And a cop based on Eugene Goodman will take Temp V to fight against the Pro-Homelander terrorists. |
| 810 | |
| 811 | [[WMG: Homelander will be dealing with legal troubles]] |
| 812 | Just because those people approved of what he did doesn’t make murder legal and the entire world certainly wouldn’t approve. Unfortunately for everybody... they might find out the hard way that Homelander will do whatever the fuck he wants. |
| 813 | |
| 814 | [[WMG: Tek-Knight will be a walking TakeThat towards Elon Musk]] |
| 815 | He'll be the CEO of a rival company of Vought's. He was jealous of the Supes because he doesn't have powers, so he developed tech that could put him on their level. For the connections to Musk, his fans praise him as a self-made man even though his company was kickstarted by an inheritance from his parents, he'll have appeared on an episode of ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' where he performed a SnarkBait sketch dressed as Wario, and he will make a mention of buying Twitter with new ridiculous policies. |
| 816 | * Jossed in ''Series/GenV''. He's the host of a true crime reality series who arrives at Godolkin to investigate the circumstances behind Golden Boy's murder-suicide incident. |
| 817 | |
| 818 | [[WMG: Annie will become Starlight with a new costume one more time only so she can start a new generation of superheroes who actually BELIEVE in doing the right thing.]] |
| 819 | |
| 820 | [[WMG: Cameron Coleman will become a Supe thanks to a Compound V-laced energy drink. And he'll become Homelander's lieutenant in a coup against the US government.]] |
| 821 | |
| 822 | [[WMG: Homelander. Will. Finally. Snap.]] |
| 823 | Given every single instance of him barely holding himself together in public (and that stuff occurred frequently in Season 3), the terrible stuff will eventually happen. Alternatively, it could be a very detailed ImagineSpot kind of moment that becomes much, ''much worse'' than lasering the entire crowd of people. |
| 824 | |
| 825 | [[WMG:Contrary to expectations, Sister Sage will be the spoof of black Trump supporters like Candace Owens, Kanye, Herman Cain, etc and A-Train will find her off-putting because of it.]] |
| 826 | In fact, this will push A-Train into betraying Homelander and allying with The Boys. Moreso if the show portrays SS as a hypocritical opportunist who doesn't believe in what she says publicly, and/or Homelander tries to make her and A-Train a couple. |
| 827 | |
| 828 | [[WMG: Alternatively, Sister Sage will genuinely believe in the things she says, but she will still be a self-hating racist.]] |
| 829 | |
| 830 | [[WMG:Firecracker will be a loony fangirl of Homelander and they will become a couple.]] |
| 831 | |
| 832 | [[WMG:Ryan will become the 7th member of The Seven and grow into the show's version of comic Black Noir, minus secret identity.]] |
| 833 | |
| 834 | [[WMG:The superhuman coup will be started by Homelander, but this time it will lead to a eleven-sided war.]] |
| 835 | * Side 1: Starlight and The Boys. |
| 836 | * Side 2: Homelander and some Temp-V enhanced followers. |
| 837 | * Side 3: Victoria Neuman and her supporters, all on permanent Compound V. |
| 838 | * Side 4: Soldier Boy and some Compound V-powered former soldiers. |
| 839 | * Side 5: Vought and any supes loyal to them. |
| 840 | * Side 6: A-Train leading some supe cartel that sells Compound V and Temp V. |
| 841 | * Side 7: A vengeful army of supes with unmarketable powers. |
| 842 | * Side 8: Compound V-powered radical Islamic terrorists. |
| 843 | * Side 9: Stormfront loyalists with Compound V. |
| 844 | * Side 10: Church of Collective, with their own supes. |
| 845 | * Side 11: The rest of the corrupt superheroes, who want to start their own coup because they want control of the status quo that badly. |
| 846 | |
| 847 | [[WMG: Firecracker will have fire manipulation.]] |
| 848 | * Unlikely; her costume includes bandoliers and an icon depicting a handgun and a stick of dynamite, which points to her being a DistaffCounterpart of Gunpowder. |
| 849 | ** She could be a firecracker in more ways than one, both in that she's wild with her use of guns and her literal pyrokinesis. Plus, just because she uses weapons does not mean that she could have separate powers that do not involve use of weapons. |
| 850 | *** In fact this is already the case with Soldier Boy, who has a gun and uses it when he doesn't feel like beating someone or using his chest blast. |
| 851 | |
| 852 | [[WMG:Which may mean, Firecracker will be a former sidekick of Gunpowder, admitted into the Seven, in part, as a tribute to him]] |
| 853 | Or that's how the marketing dep will spin it. |
| 854 | * Alternatively, Gunpowder really was her mentor and even at one point her loved. |
| 855 | ** This would lead to her hating Butcher because he killed her mentor and boyfriend. |
| 856 | |
| 857 | [[WMG: Sister Sage will have future prediction.]] |
| 858 | |
| 859 | [[WMG: Sister Sage will be religious and take some inspiration from the comic book character Oh Father]] |
| 860 | |
| 861 | [[WMG: Alternatively, Sister Sage will be religious and have future prediction, mind-reading, and super-intelligence as her powers.]] |
| 862 | |
| 863 | [[WMG: There will be a new Speedster who is a TakeThat towards Ezra Miller]] |
| 864 | Maybe Jetstreak from the comics. A-Train will either die or leave the Seven, so Vought scouts Jetstreak as a replacement. Unfortunately, he will have a well-documented history of violent behavior, kidnapping, and running from the authorities. However, he has dirt on Vought that keeps them from firing him. |
| 865 | * Alternatively Miller's personality could be given to Web-Weaver, the comic's version of Spiderman, as a reference to Miller's Flash being the intended counterpart of Tom Holland's Spiderman in the DC film universe. |
| 866 | |
| 867 | [[WMG: There will be a reference to WesternAnimation/Invincible2021]] |
| 868 | Most likely through Homelander referencing Omni-Man or how both the fanbases and creators of both comics agree that Omni-Man would beat him. Given his insecurities, Homelander would likely violently murder anyone who implies that someone could beat him in a fight. Bonus points if [[WebAnimation/DeathBattle Homelander kills that person by ripping out their heart, shoving it in their mouth, and then crushing their head between his hands]]. |
| 869 | |
| 870 | [[/folder]] |
| 871 | |
| 872 | [[folder:''Diabolical'']] |
| 873 | [[WMG: Possible animators and animation styles for the next season.]] |
| 874 | * Creator/SethMacFarlane |
| 875 | * ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks'' |
| 876 | ** The episode could be about A-Train's backstory. |
| 877 | ** Uncle Ruckus will make a [[TheCameo Cameo]]. |
| 878 | * ''Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' |
| 879 | * Creator/BruceTimm |
| 880 | ** It could be an episode of an in-universe animated series about The Seven. |
| 881 | * Creator/MattGroening |
| 882 | * Adam Reed (creator of ''WesternAnimation/Sealab2021'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'') |
| 883 | * Creator/HayaoMiyazaki |
| 884 | * Creator/SatoshiKon |
| 885 | * Creator/RalphBakshi |
| 886 | * Stephen Silver (he also worked on ''WesternAnimation/ClerksTheAnimatedSeries'') |
| 887 | * {{Squigglevision}} |
| 888 | * Creator/RoosterTeeth |
| 889 | * Creator/MikeJudge |
| 890 | ** He'll voice an {{expy}} of [[WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButtHead Mr. Anderson]] and [[WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill Hank Hill]], who'll be the father of a Supe. He'll say "that boy ain't right in the head". |
| 891 | * Creator/TreyParkerAndMattStone |
| 892 | ** Using the Super Best Friends episode as reference. The ''South Park'' cast will be doing the voices in their usual StylisticSuck glory. We'll hear a newscaster say "Thanks, Tom. Shocking report." Other characters would say "weak, dude" and "derp". We'll hear the StockScream of a woman screaming "''AAH MY GOOOODD!!!!''" during a supervillain attack. One character will only say his name (like [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Timmy]] and [[Film/TeamAmericaWorldPolice Matt Damon]]). |
| 893 | ** Alternatively, the short could be Trey and Matt's usual brand of mocking celebrities in an in-universe Expy of ''South Park,'' but the episode ends with a live-action segment of Trey and Matt getting vaporized by Homelander for mocking him. |
| 894 | * An episode about Soldier Boy or Stormfront in the style of a 1930s Fleischer cartoon. |
| 895 | * Creator/HannaBarbera |
| 896 | * An episode about Payback in the style of an '80s action cartoon like ''WesternAnimation/GIJoeARealAmericanHero.'' |
| 897 | * An episode on Teenage Kix done in the style of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003'' or ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010.'' |
| 898 | * An episode made by Capcom where a retired Supe with a healing factor is the main protagonist of an in-universe Resident Evil anime. |
| 899 | * An episode made by Gearbox and 3D Realms where a Supe stars in an in-universe Duke Nukem cartoon. |
| 900 | * An episode made by SEGA about A-Train starring in an in-universe cartoon series focusing on speed. |
| 901 | * An episode about Black Noir parodying Batman The Animated Series. |
| 902 | * Another episode made by Garth Ennis focusing on the comics universe and what Super-Duper are now up to ever since Homelander’s coup failed. |
| 903 | * An episode made by Tim Burton that is an in-universe Stop Motion animated movie about a teenage Homelander. |
| 904 | [[/folder]] |
| 905 | |
| 906 | [[folder: Universe/not-season-bound WMG's]] |
| 907 | [[WMG: The reason why Supersweet's music is so outdated is because in-universe, NSYNC were Supes sponsored by Vought.]] |
| 908 | One of the most baffling things about Supersweet, Drummer Boy's former boy-band, was that despite them having their popularity peak between 2008 - 2014/15 in universe (Rock my Kiss canonically came out in 2008 and You've Got A License To Drive (Me Crazy) in 2013) was that their music sounded more in line with late 90s/early 2000s boybands than music that was more popular in that time-period, such as One Direction. |
| 909 | |
| 910 | This could be because, different from our universe, NSYNC never really went out of vogue, creating a totally different musical landscape as a result. They were one of the biggest boybands in the early 2000s but their influence quickly disappeared, even despite them leaving a significant mark on the music industry. |
| 911 | |
| 912 | In the Boys-verse, their lifespan was artificially enhanced because one or multiple members were actually supes, and their entire musical career was bankrolled by Vought who basically kept them relevant way beyond their actual, real-life, due date. |
| 913 | |
| 914 | Leading to Supersweet following the general trends at that time, that basically were the exact same as they were in the early 2000s. |
| 915 | |
| 916 | This is also somewhat supported by the idea that due to how Christianity appears to be a bigger thing in the world of the Boys, cultural developments in general would happen at a much slower pace, with Conservative Christians having a bigger influence on the U.S. |
| 917 | |
| 918 | [[WMG: There will be other formulas besides Compound V, and they will show up in later seasons.]] |
| 919 | |
| 920 | [[WMG: Bonnie Tyler's "Holding Out For A Hero" will feature in an episode.]] |
| 921 | Bonus points if it's to provide SoundtrackDissonance for a particularly horrifying scene. |
| 922 | |
| 923 | [[WMG: Homelander will rape other women in later seasons.]] |
| 924 | Because Homelander is that much of an evil bastard. |
| 925 | |
| 926 | [[WMG: The rest of Supersweet will ambush Homelander and beat his ass.]] |
| 927 | |
| 928 | [[WMG: Homelander will get his ass handed to him by a bunch of female Supes, because he murdered their boyfriends.]] |
| 929 | |
| 930 | [[WMG: It will be revealed that the US Government secretly made their own super-serums, secretly planning to use these against Homelander and supes loyal to him when the US government has enough batches of their own serums]] |
| 931 | This would piss Homelander off, and also piss Vought off. |
| 932 | |
| 933 | [[WMG: Frederick Vought is still secretly alive somewhere, as a SealedEvilInACan]] |
| 934 | Maybe I'm drawing inspiration from ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBros'' where likewise [[spoiler: it was revealed that the GreaterScopeVillain MadScientist that is responsible for the current world and thought to be long dead ended up still being alive]], but it also makes sense where Vought is seen as a stand-in for both Marvel and Disney, and likewise there are those infamous rumours of Walt Disney being cryogenically frozen. |
| 935 | |
| 936 | [[WMG: The Deep will form his own cult.]] |
| 937 | Think Charles Manson with Aquaman-like powers. |
| 938 | |
| 939 | [[WMG: Maeve will get re-powered.]] |
| 940 | But only to take down Homelander once and for all or die trying. |
| 941 | |
| 942 | [[WMG: Robert Singer is an alternate universe counterpart of Bobby Singer from ''Series/{{Supernatural}}''.]] |
| 943 | Both characters are played by Jim Beaver, are from Sioux Falls, South Dakota, have similar acerbic personalities and ''Supernatural'' has an established multiverse in its canon (or at least it used to). |
| 944 | |
| 945 | [[WMG: An autistic hero will show up.... and he or she will ally with Starlight and The Boys.]] |
| 946 | |
| 947 | [[WMG: A Neo-Nazi supervillain will show up in a later season, and he'll also be a self-hating Black man.]] |
| 948 | * His power would be hate-inducement. |
| 949 | |
| 950 | [[WMG: A Neo-Confederate supervillain will also show up in a later season, and he'll be a self-hating Asian man.]] |
| 951 | * His power would be fear-inducement. |
| 952 | |
| 953 | [[WMG:[[spoiler:Billy Butcher will be the FinalBoss of the show just like in the original comic.]]]] |
| 954 | * [[spoiler:While the circumstances behind it will likely be different (e.g. Ryan will undergo a HeelFaceTurn and Homelander will be the last boss of the Supe subplot instead of Black Noir), Butcher will probably still [[HeWhoFightsMonsters take a turn for the worse]] and become the last enemy of the show, enacting his plan to kill all Supes egardless of their morality, kill the other members of The Boys except for Hughie, forcing the latter to fight and kill him to stop his rampage.]] |
| 955 | |
| 956 | [[WMG: Tek Knight will get his high-tech armor... and he'll try to use it to kill Supes who refuse to join Vought.]] |
| 957 | |
| 958 | [[WMG: Seth will become a supe... and he'll turn on Vought, help Starlight and The Boys take down Vought, and start a new generation of genuine superheroes. He'll even rekindle his romance with Ice Princess.]] |
| 959 | |
| 960 | [[WMG: Instead of a Homelander clone being made like in the comics, it will be an army of Soldier Boy clones.]] |
| 961 | |
| 962 | [[WMG: John Godolkin will appear as a minor arc villain of the main series like in the comics.]] |
| 963 | Unlike the comics, he'll be portrayed as an {{Expy}} of Stephen Hawkings, because both he and Professor X (who Godolkin originally parodied) are disabled geniuses, and because Stephen Hawkings is one of the many clients revealed when the Epstein List was unsealed. It also means that if the show ever wants to introduce an ArcVillain parodying Jeffrey Epstein, they could portray Godolkin as one of his clients and use this to set up a larger plotline in which Vought are trying to cover up a trafficking ring and that several of their own superheroes are clients of this ArcVillain, who threatens to take Vought down by revealing all sorts of secrets Vought want covered up. |
| 964 | |
| 965 | [[WMG: Ryan will be key to Homelander's death and/or [[FateWorseThanDeath permanent downfall]].]] |
| 966 | It's been mentioned that Billy fears Vought will use him as a contingency against Homelander and possible replacement, like he was revealed to have been for Soldier Boy. Though Season 3 has him side with Homelander, he's young and still could turn on him. [[spoiler:Like comic Black Noir]] he's the offspring ([[ChildByRape more literally]] [[OurClonesAreDifferent than the former]]) of Homelander. In a way he's also behind Homelander becoming more of a liability for Vought, since after learning about him he's been more willing to push boundaries. The key difference however is that [[spoiler:comic Noir had no justification for taking out Homelander and went out of his way to drive him mad and was a CorruptedContingency]], while Ryan would have perfectly legitimate reasons and be an unintentional contingency. |
| 967 | |
| 968 | [[WMG:Mr. Marathon will show up as a ChekhovsGunman at some point]] |
| 969 | In keeping with him being the OnlySaneMan during the 9/11 incident in the comics, Mr. Marathon will turn out to have voluntarily retired from the Seven due to becoming tired of the debauchery and chaos that comes with being a member, leading to him allying with the Boys to stop whatever Homelander has planned for the future. |
| 970 | |
| 971 | [[WMG: Raynor and Butcher got up to some kinky stuff with chocolate-coated fruit during sex, and Butcher (just to be a dick) sent the Edible Arrangement to Raynor as a wedding gift to remind her of it.]] |
| 972 | |
| 973 | [[/folder]] |
| 974 |
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