Line #143 WMG/Roommates


1	[[WMG:[[Characters/TheNostalgiaChick The Makeover Fairy]] is Jareth's long lost (half-)sister from his father's side!]]
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3	They both InstantCosplaySurprise for no apparent reasons, appear when you least expect them, have some questionable quirks of taste ([[color:fuchsia:pink]] vs. [[EverythingsBetterWithSparkles glitter]]) the list goes on and on.
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5	From his father side: If [[Literature/TheErlKing der Erlkönig]] decides that you need a makeover he won't stop with just you. THE WHOLE WORLD GETS IT! (As much as we can see from the published parts of the 2012 MindScrew arc anyway.)
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7	* Well, that was just a LotusEaterMachine, but still impressive redesign of the whole "world".
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9	[[WMG:[[TangledFamilyTree The magic family tree]] is the unholy bastard child of an elaborate Celtic Knot and the TimeyWimeyBall.]]
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11	Just look at it! And why not? This is a place where personifications of dreams and concepts can walk amongst the {{muggle}}s.
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13	[[WMG:After the ''Dreams'' arc, Jareth will be skittish around Sarah...]]
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15	...both because of her being creepily impersonated by Odile and because he wonders if it's his obsessiveness with her that prevents him from the CharacterDevelopment needed to stop being a villain (or at least be so bad at being good). He'll get over it eventually, probably with some furthering of his character, and Sarah may allow him a date (or at least have missed him).
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17	[[WMG:Dark!Jareth will be easily defeated in the ''Dreams'' arc]]
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19	This isn't so much the post of one person, it's been noted by everyone on Website/DeviantArt's forums. Jareth was not cast as the villain in the story of his dream, so his SuperpoweredEvilSide can't use his 'go with the story at all costs' FreudianExcuse.
20	* Ummm... but it is. Namely [[Tropers/{{Malitia}} mine]] I just like to comment a lot. (Most people people bet on a slap or a ShutUpKiss by Sarah.)
21	** {{Jossed}}. All three!
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23	[[WMG:The zombie invasion ended because Dresden reverted to his ''Changes'' characterization offscreen]]
24	I can't be the only one annoyed that all the zombies disappeared with no explanation. So I'm going to say that either [[Literature/DresdenFiles Harry Dresden]] or [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor]] figured out a way to make them all re-dead. After all, those two do have something of a track record when it comes to genocide...
25	* Not really without explanation if you read [[WordOfGod the Artist comments]] (poor zombies were no match for the combined powers of the residents) but it's still an OffScreenMomentOfAwesome.
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27	[[WMG:The Building is Jareth's new castle and the 'verse his domain.]]
28	[[WordOfGod Word of Ashe]] that "[[http://asherhyder.deviantart.com/art/Roommates-Such-Stuff-as-Dreams-Are-Made-On-41-305658205 ...every magical "court" has a theme... The Goblins are "unwanted".]]". Now this place is full with story rejects, (fallen sympathetic villains, under-appreciated "heroes", supporting characters sacrificed for the sake of someone else's story etc.) who fit the description quite nicely. Jareth doesn't own the place literally but it's his metaphysical / mystical domain, even if the residents are clueless about it... it's okay he was never big on ruling things anyway. This also explains why is he so [[{{Protectorate}} territorial about the place and it's residents]].
29	* Pretty much confirmed by [[http://asherhyder.deviantart.com/art/Roommates-280-Invitation-330169918 this]].
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31	[[WMG:TheFairFolk of this series and the Trolls of Webcomic/{{Homestuck}} are related species.]]
32	Theory created through the careful observing of their (mostly Jareth's) relationship habits. He don't seem to have much against "infidelity" between the quadrants but seems to have a quite similar relationship structure.
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34	So if Jareth was a troll:
35	* His [[MuggleBestFriend moi]][[MoralityPet rail]] would be James.
36	* His [[LoveInterests mate]][[MoralityChain sprit]] would be Sarah (if Jareth could get what he wished).
37	* His kismesis would be either Erik or Sarah (the later is especially what his dark side would like)
38	* His [[ThereAreNoTherapists auspistice]] is the trickiest of all as he plays this with all his friends when needed.
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40	What we saw from the Erkönig's relationships: They are more similar to kismesis than anything else. He also [[TheTease flirts]] with everyone.
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42	* They seem to be related to other kind of {{troll}}s too...
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44	[[WMG:Jareth is the AnthropomorphicPersonification of small [[HopeSpringsEternal hope]].]]
45	Not the big one that everybody wants to be, not a hero or messiah the one with the {{Rousing Speech}}es, but the one that separates a CrapsackWorld from AWorldHalfFull, the one that says you should [[{{Determinator}} never give up]] to hell with AllTheOtherReindeer (or what kind of loser you may be), that implies that you can EarnYourHappyEnding, ScrewDestiny or at least survive against all odds etc. and even if you fail or die, there will be someone to remember you. As with hope in general he can also be [[HopeIsScary scary]] or [[HopeSpot treacherous]].
46	* With this in mind his Dark!Side would make the opposite, total fatalism.
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48	[[WMG:And the child born of shadows is...]]
49	[[http://asherhyder.deviantart.com/art/Roommates-287-Consume-338574618 This page]] and comes with two hints "the one thing every character ever written, played, sung about, or dreamed about has to fear" and "??? belongs to ???"\
50	(This entry is explicitly added to show what goes on in the comment section! Ant these aren't even all the guesses.)
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52	* ...A [[ChildrenAreCruel chi]][[TeensAreMonsters ld]]
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54	* ...The audience (in a broad sense). Specific sub-guesses included:
55	** ...[[{{fandom}} The fans]]
56	** ...A FanFiction coughSlashFiccough writer
57	** ...The critics
58	** ...A {{troll}}
59	** ...An editor
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61	* ...The/An [[AuthorAvatar Author]]. Specific sub-guesses included (not counting Ashe):
62	** ...Creator/JossWhedon
63	** ...Creator/StevenMoffat
64	** ...Creator/MichaelBay
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66	* ...Some character. Specific sub-guesses included:
67	** ...[[Creator/MercedesLackey Shadowlover]]
68	** ...[[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist Truth or Pride]]
69	** ...A MarySue / GaryStu
70	** ...[[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Cthulhu]]
71	** ...[[Literature/TheForbiddenGame Julian]]
72	** ...[[Theatre/AMidsummerNightsDream Puck]]
73	** ...[[Myth/KingArthur Mordred]]
74	** ...The ancient Nazi leader from Manga/{{Hellsing}}
75	** ...Loki
76	** ...WesternAnimation/{{Captain Planet\|and the Planeteers}} (What?! It's [[AllYourPowersCombined all their shadows combined]].)
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78	* ...The AnthropomorphicPersonification of (you know something is meta when these become reasonable suggestions):
79	** ...{{Fanservice}}
80	** ...[[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve Being forgotten]] and/or MainstreamObscurity
81	** ...[[EndingTropes The End]] (The more horrific sub-guesses included things like the subversion of BabiesMakeEverythingBetter ala Literature/{{Twilight}})
82	** ...Failure and/or Fate
83	** ...Writer's Block
84	** ...[[TheGrimReaper Death]] (admittedly one of the less likely suggestions)
85	** ...[[IKnowWhatYouFear Fear]]
86	** ...[[WhatYouAreInTheDark Themselves]]
87	** ...Parental responsibility
88	** ...Secrets
89	** ...Time
90	** ...[[RealLife Reality]]
91	** ...CreativeSterility
92	** ...Being surpassed and replaced by their children
93	** ...Being NotAllowedToGrowUp
94	** ...{{Love\|Tropes}}
95	** ...CharacterDerailment
96	** ...{{Sequelitis}}
97	** ...{{Retcon}}
98	* [[http://asherhyder.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d5n0uen Disbelief]], or [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve being forgotten]], has been confirmed.
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100	[[WMG:There will be an omake where Jareth is outraged by Javert's new actor]]
101	We all know he hates it when Eric gets new actors, why not Javert?
102	* I think his problem is that not only does Erik get new actors but younger and younger ones. While he is ''stuck'' with Bowie at age 39.
103	* He might actually be happy about [[http://asherhyder.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=312#/d143sj8 his height]].
104	* [[http://asherhyder.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d5rgude Javert's new actor has made his appearance]], though Jareth has yet to comment on it. (James and Eric seem mildly sympathetic.)
105	* So it [[http://asherhyder.deviantart.com/art/Roommates-298-Short-349741451 happened]] and {{Jossed}}. Jareth is mighty pleased with Javert's new height... and [[AffectionateGestureToTheHead haircut]].
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107	[[WMG:Dresden will encounter Jareth's dad sometime, and it will be amusing]]
108	In the fourth Dresden book, Harry encounters the Erlking and summons him himself. The Erlkonig promises the next time they meet, it won't be pretty. Amusingly enough, the Council sees the Erlkonig as the leader of goblins...
109	* He also appeared in the 12th an 14th books and Dresden to date survived so this is entirely possible. There are also some other amusing coincidences[[note]][[WordOfGod Word of Ashe]] that (s)he only read some of the early books not the whole series and even less the Word of Jim information.[[/note]] like:
110	** he is one of the possible leaders of TheWildHunt,
111	** he is a hunting buddy of [[spoiler:Odin]],
112	** he isn't a HornedHumanoid there either it's just his crown / helmet,
113	** he is considered one of the Summer kings in the Dresden-verse (according to Jim Butcher) and also Ashe placed him on that side.
114	* The two Erlkönig incarnation's height (the Dresden version is inhumanly tall, the Building-verse one is average) and color scheme (Green-Brown vs. Blue-Purple) don't match, though.
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116	[[WMG:The Erlkönig's reappearance is for some reason he needs a heir badly.]]
117	He already called Jareth his (possible) heir in the ''Kid!Jareth arc'' despite having a daughter, so he probably believes in the HeirClubForMen rule. He already tried all in his power to extort favors from his son (''Such Stuff...'', the ''Erlkönig arc'' could be a failed attempt for this too), pay a hell lot to ensure that he can introduce the guy to his friends (''TheWildHunt arc''), get in position that could be interpreted as him doing a favor to demand payment later (the beginning and end of the ''Dark!Jareth arc'' for example).
118	* If we give credence to a the later WMG that Jareth might be what the human child became he canonically stole the ''Erlkönig arc'' takes on an even darker interpretation.
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120	[[WMG:Jareth is the human boy from Literature/TheErlking]]
121	The Erlkönig only has daughter(s) canonically also even Jareth threatened Sarah with turning Toby into a goblin... what if that's a power that runs in the family?
122	* What would this make Jadis, though?
123	** Perhaps Jadis and the Erlkönig combined their power to turn the boy into Jareth? After all, he's much more powerful than Toby probably would have turned out to be as a goblin.
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125	[[WMG:Loki and Jareth are half brothers via Jadis]]
126	This comes from two points 1. All magical people/beings are apparently related so they must be connected somehow. 2. Jadis is the White Witch and queen of winter so all of Jotunheim would fall under her control. Perhaps she realized that she had lost control of her first son (Who clearly takes after his father) and decided that she should create another, one who would be more easy to manipulate the way she wanted. Unfortunately for her Odin came along and got in the way.
127	* Jadis a half-giantess so Jareth and Loki are probably related through her. But not necessarily as closely as the original WMG suggests, as there could be several Winter Monarch the same way there are multiple "Death"s.
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129	[[WMG:Jamie's shirt is cursed.]]
130	Jamie gets injured a lot. And then Jareth borrows his shirt and [[http://asherhyder.deviantart.com/art/Roommates-Kings-War-4-380212531 this happens.]]
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132	[[WMG:GenreSavvy G-rated characters can hold their own against ones of [[UsefulNotes/MediaClassifications higher rating]].]]
133	From [[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/459562799/3495781456 this]] comment by [[http://dolphinsilverwolf.deviantart.com/ DolphinSilverwolf]]:
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135	"I thought a [[GenreSavvy clever]] G-rated character could use the [[CensorshipTropes power of censorship]] to [[NoSell negate the attacks]] of the [[AvoidTheDreadedGRating PG, PG-13, R, and NC-17]] opponents. They can [[FamilyFriendlyFirearms jam guns, blunt swords]], [[NobodyCanDie allow fighter pilots to eject just in the nick of time]], and still retain the ability to [[{{Slapstick}} neutralize their enemies with a bucket of water]]."
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137	* Conversely this was an answer on a comment declaring: "And this is why G-rated fantasy realms shouldn't declare war on PG-13 characters.". There is {{death\|Tropes}} in PG-13 so if that character can force his story conventions on the [[SugarBowl G-rated realm]]... [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath things]] [[ObliviouslyEvil could]] [[VileVillainSaccharineShow get]] [[SugarApocalypse ugly]].
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139	[[WMG: Jamie and Sarah will be MistakenForCheating]]
140	* They accidentally had an AlmostKiss, Sarah has so far been the one helping Jamie through his grief (to the point where he stayed out all night) and Éponine's reaction to his absence was rather... chilly. Sarah and Jamie's friendship will be mistaken for something... deeper by lots of people, causing yet more instability in the Magic World since the many magic characters think the Goblin King's intended is shagging his best friend... Jareth will probably get sucked in and pull a IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy, only for Sarah to smack him upside the head and shout that she's not with Jamie!
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142	[[WMG: There will be more AnthropomorphicPersonification type characters showing up later]]
143	And I'm not talking about more versions of [[{{Psychopomp}} Death]] or the cast of ''ComicBook/TheSandman1989''. I mean more literary and original characters who represent concepts that have particular importance for fictional beings. Based on the fact that we've already seen [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve Disbelief]], [[TheoryOfNarrativeCausality Story]], and now [[spoiler:Music]], it seems like the various ways the characters wish to outgrow their roles from their stories might be making these entities appear more frequently. So it is just a matter of time before more of them start knocking on the door of Building #42.
144	* Judging by [[http://bookwormgal.deviantart.com/art/Roommates-Conceptualize-549252894 these]] EarlyBirdCameo appearances on the cover page, it looks like this is confirmed.

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