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| 6 | [[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/posthardcorealbums_cover.jpg]] |
| 7 | [[caption-width-right:350:''[[Music/AtTheDriveIn Cut away]], [[CarefulWithThatAxe CUT AWAY]]'' [[note]] Clockwise from the top left: ''Music/{{Repeater}}'' by Music/{{Fugazi}}, ''Take to the Skies'' by Enter Shikari, ''Music/RelationshipOfCommand'' by Music/AtTheDriveIn, ''Old Crows / Young Cardinals'' by Alexisisonfire[[/note]]]] |
| 8 | [floatboxright: |
| 9 | Primary Stylistic Influences: |
| 10 | + HardcorePunk, PostPunk, AlternativeRock |
| 11 | ] |
| 12 | [floatboxright: |
| 13 | Secondary Stylistic Influences: |
| 14 | + NoiseRock, Experimental Music, sometimes NewWaveMusic, AlternativeMetal, PopPunk, and even ProgressiveRock and ElectronicMusic on some bands |
| 15 | ] |
| 16 | |
| 17 | What PostPunk was to the original punk movement, this was to HardcorePunk. Obviously DarkerAndEdgier version of PostPunk (itself a DarkerAndEdgier version of NewWaveMusic). |
| 18 | |
| 19 | It evolved basically the same way; by the 1980s hardcore bands started experimenting with the basic template by taking influences from other genres and playing around with song structures (among other things), with the GenreBusting Music/{{Minutemen}}, hardcore forefathers Music/BlackFlag and the fast-paced yet often introspective punk of Music/HuskerDu being among the earliest bands to come out of this first wave. Many notable bands from this time also took influence from and overlaped with NoiseRock, such as Music/BigBlack and early Naked Raygun. |
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| 21 | One important scene was concentrated around Washington D.C. and, in particular, Dischord Records, with bands such as Music/{{Fugazi}}, Jawbox, Embrace, and in particular Music/RitesOfSpring. Rites of Spring began using more melodic riffs, shifting song structures, and deeply personal lyrics. And in this, a new post-hardcore subgenre was born -- Music/{{Emo}}. |
| 22 | |
| 23 | "The Wave" of post-hardcore is a scene gradually building in popularity with bands like Defeater, La Dispute, and Touché Amoré. The style harks back to classic post-hardcore as well as elements of math rock and emo. |
| 24 | ---- |
| 25 | |
| 26 | Some bands that are commonly referred to as post-hardcore: |
| 27 | |
| 28 | [[index]] |
| 29 | * Music/ThirtySixCrazyfists |
| 30 | * [[Music/ActorObserver Actor|Observer]] |
| 31 | * Music/{{AFI}} |
| 32 | * Music/{{Aiden}} |
| 33 | * Music/{{Alesana}} |
| 34 | ** 2010 - ''Music/TheEmptiness'' |
| 35 | * Music/{{Alexisonfire}} |
| 36 | * Music/TheAppleseedCast |
| 37 | * Music/{{Arcwelder}} (Also borderline PopPunk -- they were very heavily Music/HuskerDu influenced, after all) |
| 38 | * Music/ArmorForSleep |
| 39 | * Music/AtTheDriveIn |
| 40 | ** ''Music/RelationshipOfCommand'' |
| 41 | * Music/{{Bastro}} |
| 42 | * Music/{{Bayside}} |
| 43 | * Music/BiffyClyro |
| 44 | * Music/BigBlack (also NoiseRock- one of the first bands to combine the two genres) |
| 45 | * Music/BillyTalent (Perhaps the poppiest band in the genre -- they border on PopPunk) |
| 46 | * Music/BlackFlag (One of ''the'' key HardcorePunk bands, as well as being one of the first to expand the genre's musical horizons, making them an UrExample) |
| 47 | * Music/BlackMidi (Certain songs like "Near DT, MI" are in this genre, but it's not their only style by any means.) |
| 48 | * Music/BlindChannel |
| 49 | * Music/{{Braid}} |
| 50 | * Music/{{Brainiac}} (Also PostPunk Revival) |
| 51 | * Music/BrandNew |
| 52 | * Music/BurningAirlines |
| 53 | * Music/CapNJazz |
| 54 | * Music/{{Chavez}} |
| 55 | * Music/{{Chiodos}} |
| 56 | * Music/CircaSurvive (also progressive rock) |
| 57 | * Music/CircleTakesTheSquare (vaguely; they also qualify as {{screamo|Music}}, ProgressiveRock, probably ProgressiveMetal, and in all likelihood [[GenreBusting several other genres as well]]) |
| 58 | * Music/CircusLupus |
| 59 | * Music/CityAndColour |
| 60 | * Music/{{Clutch}} (Their first two EP's and ''Transnational Speedway League''. Basically AlternativeMetal). |
| 61 | * Music/CoheedAndCambria (Their early material -- they're also a case of GenreBusting however, and are more frequently categorised as ProgressiveRock) |
| 62 | * Music/{{Coldrain}} (also AlternativeMetal and {{Metalcore}}) |
| 63 | * Music/ConquerDivide |
| 64 | * Music/TheContortionist (''Clairvoyant'', also some progressive rock elements) |
| 65 | * Music/DagNasty |
| 66 | * Music/DanceGavinDance |
| 67 | * Music/{{Daughters}} (Primarily on their first two albums; mixed with noise rock and mathcore) |
| 68 | * Music/ADayToRemember |
| 69 | * Music/DeadSara |
| 70 | * Music/{{Deftones}} (Mostly on ''Gore'', though they have had significant elements of this since their first album and have recorded quite a few songs in this style) |
| 71 | ** 1997 - ''Music/AroundTheFur'' |
| 72 | * Music/DieKreuzen |
| 73 | * Music/TheDismembermentPlan (Also DancePunk and PostPunk Revival) |
| 74 | * Music/DriveLikeJehu |
| 75 | * Music/TheEffigies |
| 76 | * Music/{{Emarosa}} |
| 77 | * Music/{{Embrace}} |
| 78 | * Music/EnterShikari (started out as this before taking a hard left into AlternativeRock with ''The Spark'', but still maintain some elements; also electronicore and ProgressiveRock) |
| 79 | * Music/EscapeTheFate |
| 80 | * Music/TheEvens |
| 81 | * Music/FallOfEfrafa |
| 82 | * Music/TheFallOfTroy (also ProgressiveRock) |
| 83 | * Music/FallingInReverse |
| 84 | * Music/{{Fightstar}} |
| 85 | * Music/{{Finch|Band}} |
| 86 | * [[Music/{{Firehose}} fIREHOSE]] |
| 87 | * Music/FoxyShazam (in their early years) |
| 88 | * Music/{{Fugazi}} (TropeCodifier alongside Refused) |
| 89 | ** 1990 - ''Music/{{Repeater}}'' |
| 90 | * Music/FuneralForAFriend |
| 91 | * Music/GirlsAgainstBoys |
| 92 | * Music/{{Glassjaw}} |
| 93 | * Music/GrayMatter |
| 94 | * Music/HaloOfFlies |
| 95 | * Music/HawthorneHeights |
| 96 | * Music/{{Helmet}} (also AlternativeMetal) |
| 97 | * Music/{{Hum}} (also SpaceRock) |
| 98 | * Music/HuskerDu (also HardcorePunk and PopPunk; their work from ''Metal Circus'' on can be considered an early example of this) |
| 99 | * Music/{{Idles}} |
| 100 | * Music/{{Jawbox}} |
| 101 | * Music/{{Jawbreaker}} |
| 102 | * Music/TheJesusLizard (also NoiseRock) |
| 103 | * Music/JetsToBrazil |
| 104 | * [[Music/KENmode KEN mode]] |
| 105 | * Music/LaDispute |
| 106 | * Music/{{Lostprophets}} (also AlternativeMetal and NuMetal on their first album) |
| 107 | * Music/{{Lungfish}} |
| 108 | * Music/TheMaeShi |
| 109 | * Music/{{Marmozets}} (Also GenreBusting and are often categorized as AlternativeRock) |
| 110 | * Music/TheMarsVolta (they're also a case of GenreBusting however, and are more frequently categorised as ProgressiveRock) |
| 111 | * Music/{{mclusky}} |
| 112 | ** Music/FutureOfTheLeft |
| 113 | ** Music/ChristianFitness |
| 114 | * [[Music/MewithoutYou mewithoutYou]] |
| 115 | * Music/TheMenThatWillNotBeBlamedForNothing |
| 116 | * Music/{{Mineral}} |
| 117 | * Music/{{Minutemen}} (The TropeMakers) |
| 118 | * Music/MyChemicalRomance (early) |
| 119 | ** 2002 - ''Music/IBroughtYouMyBulletsYouBroughtMeYourLove'' |
| 120 | ** 2004 - ''Music/ThreeCheersForSweetRevenge'' |
| 121 | * Music/NakedRaygun |
| 122 | * Music/NationOfUlysses |
| 123 | * Music/OfMiceAndMen (first album only, mixed with {{Metalcore}}) |
| 124 | * Music/OneOKRock |
| 125 | * Music/{{Pegboy}} |
| 126 | * Music/PierceTheVeil |
| 127 | * Music/PosterChildren |
| 128 | * Music/{{Quicksand}} (Also AlternativeMetal) |
| 129 | * Music/{{Rapeman}} |
| 130 | * Music/TheReceivingEndOfSirens (also ProgressiveRock, {{Emo|Music}}, SpaceRock, sometimes {{Ambient}}, and possibly [[GenreRoulette other genres]]) |
| 131 | * Music/RedHook |
| 132 | * Music/TheRedJumpsuitApparatus |
| 133 | * Music/{{Refused}} (the {{Trope Codifier}}s alongside Fugazi) |
| 134 | * Music/RemoDrive (Their early stuff, at least. They shifted to PopPunk with their first album, and with their second album and later they abandoned punk altogether in favor of IndieRock.) |
| 135 | * Music/RitesOfSpring |
| 136 | * Music/RoloTomassi |
| 137 | * Music/{{Saosin}} |
| 138 | * Music/ScratchAcid (also NoiseRock) |
| 139 | * Music/SensesFail |
| 140 | * Music/{{Shellac}} |
| 141 | * Music/{{Silverstein}} |
| 142 | * Music/SixFingerSatellite (also PostPunk Revival) |
| 143 | * Music/ShudderToThink |
| 144 | * Music/SleepingWithSirens |
| 145 | * Music/{{Slint}} (also PostRock and MathRock) |
| 146 | ** 1991 - ''Music/{{Spiderland}}'' |
| 147 | * Music/SquirrelBait |
| 148 | * Music/TakingBackSunday |
| 149 | * Music/{{Tar}} |
| 150 | * {{Music/Tequilajazzz}} |
| 151 | * Music/TexasIsTheReason |
| 152 | * Music/{{Thrice}} (when they're not busy being HardcorePunk, FolkRock or BluesRock) |
| 153 | * Music/{{Thursday}} |
| 154 | * Music/TitleFight |
| 155 | * Music/{{ToucheAmore}} |
| 156 | * Music/{{Trophy Scars}} (they've taken on a more blues-oriented sound (retaining post-hardcore influences) since ''Bad Luck'' came out) |
| 157 | * Music/{{Underoath}} (from ''They're Only Chasing Safety'' onward, mixed with {{Metalcore}}, [[DoomMetal Sludge Metal]], and PostRock) |
| 158 | * Music/{{Unwound}} |
| 159 | ** 2001 - ''Music/LeavesTurnInsideYou'' |
| 160 | * Music/{{Unsane}} |
| 161 | * Music/TheUsed |
| 162 | * Music/VersaEmerge ( Early material; mixed with AlternativeRock and Experimental Rock,) |
| 163 | * Music/VivaBelgrado |
| 164 | * Music/TheWordAlive |
| 165 | [[/index]] |
| 166 | |
| 167 | !!Tropes Common In PostHardcore: |
| 168 | * AlternativeRock: A major influence for the genre that, along with PostPunk, help differentiate Post Hardcore from regular Hardcore. The softer examples of the genre often have songs that are just straight up Alt Rock. |
| 169 | %% * ChristianRock: Quite a few PostHardcore and {{Metalcore}} bands are this, for whatever reason... |
| 170 | * HarshVocals: Some bands will [[SuddenlyShouting throw in screamed verses]] in songs with otherwise normal singing. |
| 171 | * {{Metalcore}}: Post Hardcore was a huge influence on the Metalcore waves that came out after the late 90s. Accordingly the overlap between the two is vast and often vague. While Melodic Metalcore bands generally only take elements from it here and there, other Metalcore bands like Music/TheDevilWearsPrada or early Music/OfMiceAndMen take deep inspiration from it and bands like Music/{{Underoath}} blurs the line so much they can be considered both genres simultaneously. |
| 172 | * NoiseRock: Both an influence and a close relative of this genre- the two often overlap (i.e. Unsane, Music/TheJesusLizard, any band Music/SteveAlbini was in...). |
| 173 | * OlderThanTheyThink: There are some casual listeners who believe this genre only came into being in the late 90s/early 2000s, when the truth of the matter is that it goes all the way back to the early-to-mid [[TheEighties 80s]]. Though that can mostly be attributed to the fact that only in the last decade or so have PostHardcore bands really experienced commercial success. |
| 174 | * PostPunk: A pronounced influence on the genre, and some bands (i.e. the Music/{{Minutemen}}, Music/BigBlack) can be thought of as both. There are also PostHardcore bands such as Music/TheDismembermentPlan and Music/SixFingerSatellite who helped kickstart the whole DancePunk / PostPunk Revival genres. |
| 175 | * SpinOff: Both MathRock and Music/{{Emo}} are this to PostHardcore. In the case of the latter, it's also a MorePopularSpinOff. |
| 176 | * TropeCodifier: Probably Music/{{Fugazi}}, as far as many people are concerned. It helps that Ian Mackaye, who's their lead singer, also runs Dischord Records, which is a key label in the genre's history and has released records by many of the genre's important bands (i.e. Rites of Spring, Embrace, Jawbox, Shudder To Think, etc.). Refused are also an example: their third album, ''The Shape of Punk To Come'', introduced much of the sonical experimentation that many other bands in the genre have since replicated. |
| 177 | %% * TropeMakers: Bands like Music/BigBlack, Music/NakedRaygun, Music/SquirrelBait, Music/HuskerDu and the Music/{{Minutemen}} are all good candidates. |
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