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1	* Is it REALLY a harem series? The MC has only 3.5 people in his harem. One is an underaged elementary school kid he refers to as jailbait in the manga, & the other is a boy. There's also more than 1 male character in the spotlight & one has his own romance issues going on.
2	** Harem members literally know no boundaries in the world of anime.
3	* This avatar system has to be very expensive for the school. So what’s the point of it? It doesn’t even seem to help students learn. I guess a class is supposed to win by getting good test scores. But class F has managed to get several wins by tactics rather than strength (such as attacking a single high scoring student in a large group. Besides, they almost never try to study to improve their chances of beating classes. Class F is practically cheating the system.
4	** As stated somewhere, the goal of the system is to force the students to work as a team instead of working individually. Hence, Class F was able to win battles ''despite'' generally getting low scores. And of course, you have to take Himeji (a student with Class A smarts who landed in Class F for skipping the placement exams due to sickness) into account. At first, she is pretty much the only reason why Class F wins battles. But over time, their main fighters are improving, so probably they were able to win battles without much action from Himeji herself.
5	* Correct me if I'm wrong (and I may be, since my last Japanese History class was two semesters ago), but wasn't the Taika Reform made on 64''6'', and not 645? If I recall correctly, 645 was the year that the assassination of Soga no Iruka occurred in what is called the ''Isshi no Hen'', which led to the rise of Emperor Kotoku and the beginning of the Taika Era, but the New Year's Day Taika Reform Edict wouldn't be promulgated until 646. Is this right, or am I just being stupid?
6	** Nope, you're right. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taika_reform at least according to the Other Wiki]]. It could've been vandalized, but I'm inclined to believe it. Either the makers of the show thought it was funny or genuinely didn't know better. Of course, if memory serves Japan was also on a slightly skewed month system for a while there (still is? I dunno), so maybe that's it.
7	** Just checked again: The reference on that page from a Japanese textbook is called ''The Early Institutional Life of Japan: A Study in Reform of 645'', so for whatever reason, in Japan it is considered to have taken place in 645.
8	** According to Japanese wiki, the reform occurred in 646. So it's safe to say the Japanese also consider it to have occurred in 646. At least that is the official issue of the reform edict. I can think of three possible reasons for this. The official edict was issued in the first day of the first month of the Second year of Taika, which is 646. 1) Many people at the time use winter solstice or the day after to mark New Year, which would make the edict's issue date and therefore the reform's first date December 2x of 645. Need to ask an expert for this one. 2) Historically speaking, entire series of event has to include the political revolution before hand, which occurred in 645, which is what the author and whatever history textbook he based his answer from was getting at. 3) The author's simply mistaken.
9	** The author admitted in the last volume's afterword that 645 probably shouldn't be considered correct, but left it for consistency (he then mentions something about "changes in common knowledge"). The situation overall is confusing since it appears according to the Wikipedia article that some reforms were already implemented in 645 before the edicts in 646, which might be why the traditional date is considered to be 645.
10	* is it just me who's bugged by the English name?
11	** You mean the localization title? Well long story short: no, you are not the only one. However for people who have become used to localization titles being kind of weird or mis-representative of the series; It bothers them a little but find it to be nothing to fret over.
12	** It's an odd title (not a translation of the original, keeps a word untranslated, hardly indicative) but it is likely because English fans came to calling it "Baka and Test" well before it was localised, and they simply picked that name for recognition, and added the subtitle to get all elements of the original in. It looks strange on its own, but has its own logic.
13	* So Mizuki, despite being the smartest student in school, gets demoted to the F classroom all because she had to leave right before the entrance exams?! Does that mean that's POLICY- that it has to happen to every student if they miss the exam and all automatically get dumped into the F classroom?! The F classroom would be over-crowded with students who are unfairly placed into one classroom! I suppose it goes along with the idea of "earn your own progress" and all that, but the way this school is set up makes me puzzled. And if Mizuki weren't there to win the first battle, the story would probably never last past the first episode!
14	** Where do you think the massive horde of the FFF came from? So yes, anyone who misses the test for any reason gets dumped in Class F. Don't forget that 1: The principal is a [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] and 2: This is a brand-new system. They haven't worked out all the kinks yet.
15	* From season 2, episode 3. Yuuko trade some pictures for some kind of audio device or whatever, we see those pictures, but who is the one in those pictures!!! Yuuko or Hideyoshi!!! and first though that it was Yuuko, but think to myself that if it were Hideyoshi that would be more funny, under close inspection IS Hideyoshi, but it just dont seem like him!! I dont know what to think anymore, i think this is more like a damn [[MindScrew MindScrew]] to me...
16	* During the Class A vs Class F fight why didn't Yuuji send Yoshii out to fight Kubo? It would make more sense for Himeji to take a easy win against the opponent that Yoshii fought (granted she still won against Kubo but this would a be safer way) and let Yoshii fight Kubo. Given Kubo's feeling for Yoshii he wouldn't have gone all out and if Yuuji tricked Yoshii into confessing his love it would have made the fight a sure win for Yoshii. Even if Yoshii can't win it would have been safer to let Himeji fight one of the weaker opponents (again she did win but Yuuji had no way of knowing her points were so high). It seems like a out of character momment for Yuuji to not take advantage of Kubo's feelings for Yoshii espically given the fact that he could screw with Yoshii's life and win the match at the same time. He didn't even have to risk going up against Shouku if it comes down to that.
17	** I think it's because Kubo didn't ''have'' feelings for Yoshii at this point. Kubo never showed any feelings for Yoshii before their {{Crash Into Hello}} in episode 3, and the fight took place in episode 2.
18	* Why did Akihisa use striker sigma v in episode 13? In episode 5 he said striker sigma v was for math, problem braker for japanese, and shining answer for history. Since the question was about the taika reform Akihisa should've used shining answer.
19	** I suppose he use shining answer for history because it have letters and the history question are multiple options, while striker sigma V have numbres on it and jut choose randoms numbers for math problems, since Akihisa knew 2 choice, and only 1 number was different,he choose striker sigma V.... i dont know if i express it well...
20	*** but all 3 pencils have both letters, numbers and katakana on them.
21	*** Well, my video quality was horrile, but as far i´ve watch, striker sigma V was the only one with numbers, problem breaker and shining answer had letter and hiragana, but i guess u are right, so... is because striker siga V sound cooler than the others?
22	** It's simple really, he's an idiot and is facing a "number" problem, then again, as the troper above mentioned, the test duel wasn't multiple questions
23	* Season 2, episode 1. Akihisa is trying to avoid letting his sister know that's he's bringing girls along on their overnight trip...and yet he doesn't hesitate at all to mention Hideyoshi, whom he's consistently claimed to be female up until this point (in the anime, at least).
24	** I believe his sister still thinks Hideyoshi is a boy, because clearly Akihisa can't have any female friends. Both Mizuki and Minami are simply {{Bishonen}} to her as well (although I think she only brings that up once in episode 9 of Season 1, I'm sure she's thinking that). Aside from that, RuleOfFunny and the RunningGag that Hideyoshi is "special" (even having his own gender baths).
25	*** I understand all that; however, despite what Akira thinks, Akihisa still hesitated to tell her about Mizuki and Minami, so her opinion doesn't really factor into this at all. The part that bugs me isn't that Akira thinks her brother can't possibly have female friends, it's that Akihisa is suddenly being inconsistent when he wasn't before.
26	*** Akira '''thinks''' that Hideyoshi is a guy and Akihisa knows this, however, Mizuki and Minami had been identified as girls by Akira in their previous meeting and Akihisa knows this too, so by that logic, Hideyoshi would be alright to bring up while bringing up the other two would most likely remove his rights to live alone, clearly not having to be sexually harassed all day at home is more important to him, and besides that, if he lost his right to live alone, he most likely need to go to America with Akira, and thus must transfer school, not exactly something he would want now, would it?
27	* How does the staff at the school stay employed? For one, someone gets sent to their equivalent of the special needs class because of a medical emergency. Also, are the teachers blind when [[KarmaHoudini Minami]] beats up Yoshi? Isn't that something a student can get expelled for? Hell, isn't letting that slide something a teacher can get fired for?
28	** Those [[AmusingInjuries injuries]]? PlayedForLaughs, dude. Fumizuki Academy students are just like any other student: brash and prone to rough-housing. And as for the teachers, well, it's a friendship thing among students, which they supposedly don't have any business with.
29	** Wasn't it stated in the ValuesDissonance trope that Japan has a bad tendency to blame the victim for things like bullying?
30	** I wouldn't go as far as calling Class F the equivalent of the special needs class. They just happen to have to worst grades due to laziness, not excelling in anything outside their specialty, or other circumstances.
31	* I get that it's for the plot and RuleOfFunny, [[spoiler:but being the prodigy that Yuuji is, HOW did he lose to Shouko 53 to 97?]]
32	** He sure is a prodigy, but he stopped studying altogether after that incident with the bullies shown in the flashbacks of Season 2, Episode 11 to keep people from getting envious of him. So basically, studying is like a workout for the brain. If you haven't studied much for so long, your academic skills would definitely go to rust. This [[CurbStompBattle curbstomping]] by Shouko motivated Yuuji to study harder so he could make use of his tactical prowess for Class F to [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu punch out higher-tier classes]].
33	* I get why Akihisa et. al. keep trying to set Yuuji up with Shouko, but is there any reason as to why they seem to ''keep'' doing it in such a way as to make it ever so likely that Yuuji will get beat up again? Are the others (cynical Minami, naive Mizuki, Hideyoshi with no excuse) really so stupid as to think Akihisa knows what he's doing, or so [[ForTheEvulz cruel]]/lazy (aside from Mizuki) that they are willing to just go along with his and Shouko's ideas no matter how awful they seem? [[WMG/PoisonOakEpilepticTrees Do the students secretly have it out for Yuuji, but want to pin the murder on Shouko]]? [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Do the creators just have a more-twisted-than-usual sense of the line between simple schadenfreude and overblown snuff]]?
34	** They might be idiots, but they sure can tell something that's obvious. Akihisa's not entirely ObliviousToLove, he only thinks that the girls won't reciprocate his kindness to someone like him. As for Shouko's case, [[RunningGag barring]] [[DudeLooksLikeALady Hideyoshi]], she is the most beautiful lady in the series, and is also the valedictorian of their year. It's also implied that she'd make a good wife someday. [[SingleTargetSexuality And she is only after Yuuji.]] So, obviously, aside from her mean {{Yandere}} streak, you would normally egg on the guy she is after, right?
35	*** I can tell why they're trying to set the two up, I just don't understand why they're doing it the way they're doing it. Sometimes their attempts seem more like sincere attempts to get Yuuji beaten up than attempts to get the two together.
36	*** They know Shouko won't outright kill Yuuji, so they probably did it half to get them closer (The quiz) and half for laughs (Haunted House, inside)
37	* This has been on my mind for now... Why do the teachers have "points" too, like the students? Do they have tests too? I mean, they're the teachers, their points need to be like 99999 or something...
38	** Did you forget how the scoring system is done with tests? It's how many questions you can answer correctly in a set period of time. The teachers aren't guaranteed to get perfect scores, so getting 99999+ is out of the question. As to why they even have scores: 1) It's a new system, so probably something the principal is trying out. 2) It may be the result of the teachers having upkeep tests for the school board to determine if they're fit for their positions.
39	*** Almost definitely option 2. In real life, teachers have to study as well.
40	* Maybe it is just for the comedy, but it still bugs me. Akihisa and many others pay a lot of attention to breasts and many of the characters seem to use the breasts as a measure of beauty. If that is the case, then how come they never seem to realize or care that Hideyoshi is flatchested? Akihisa usually mocks Minami for her small chest, and treats her like she is a guy a lot of the time (Sometimes due to her having small boobs), but at the same time he keeps hitting on Hideyoshi. Like I said, it may be for comedy purposes, but it still makes me think that aki might just being mean. That or the anime isn't making her look like what she should. If she really doesn't look like a girl, then why does she look like one in the show. Otherwise treating the breast like it is what makes them women looks out of place when everybody keeps ignoring Hideyoshi's lack of boobs.
41	** Answering my own question after viewing the second season. It's mostly for Comedy. Though there are some story related reasons. When most characters see Hideyoshi, they completely miss the flatchest and claim he's got big breasts. For Minami, he mostly acts that way toward her because he feels comfortable around her. And at one point he did admit he found her attractive because of her masculine qualities.
42	*** This is the way I personally view anime like this. Everything is exaggeration. That might seem obvious, but just keep it in mind. For example, in my mind when Minami breaks Akihisa's back, he is actually giving him a medium punch. When Akihisa screams in pain, he is really just giving an "Ouch!". Watching it like that, it becomes clear what they are doing. They are teasing each other. You do not tease someone on something s/he doesn't care about, since the whole fun in teasing is seeing the reaction. That's why the gang try to pair up Yuuji and Shouko. That's why Aiko keep acting sexy in front of Muttsulini. That's why Akihisa point out Minami's flat chest. Because these acts will get a reaction. And that is why the focus on Hideyoshi is his gender, and not his bust size. Hideyoshi doesn't care about his bust size, so you won't get a reaction if you point it out. But Hideyoshi cares about his gender, so you will get a reaction if you point that out. So they will not mention Hideyoshi's bust size, but his gender.
43	* Has it ever occurred to Hideyoshi that maybe if he just got a haircut and stopped wearing hairclips people wouldn't mistake him for a girl that often? I'm sorry, but the more I think about it, the more I think that Hideyoshi being mistaken for a girl is his own dang fault for growing his hair out like that and wearing girly clips in it. It doesn't take much for him to change his hairstyle to make himself look at least a little less girly.
44	** You see Hideyoshi wearing obviously feminine clothings while thinking they are for guys (S1 EP6), so it's fair to say that Hideyoshi doesn't have a clear idea about the differences between male and female clothings.
45	** When Shoko and Yuji fought, Hideyoshi was obviously happy to take fansverice pictures for the school and even pose and dress up in sexy clothes for said fight. [[MemeticMutation He clearly likes it]].
46	* Season 2, Episode 1. Why does Aiko Kudou get invited to go to the beach with the gang? Akihisa's only met her once, and the other girls don't know her that well either. Only Shouko has talked to her more than once. Also, why is Miharu's silhouette shown when Akihisa is talking to his sister about inviting girls if she was not invited and for once didn't invite herself?
47	** Aiko probably got invited before the trip by Shouko when having a chat or something during lunchtime, and since Minami will be around, there's no telling where Miharu will, and she's probably just one person that happens to come in mind while Akihisa is trying to think of people he can invite

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