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1	* Where exactly did Silver come from? I thought '06 was his main appearance and the one that he's portraying here, but that set of events was wiped from the timeline, making it so that version of Silver never existed. If the Time Eater ripped out chunks of the current timeline (presumably Blaze, who may or may not be from an alternate dimension, qualifies as being in the current timeline due to hopping in and out it independent of '06 and her home dimension; the same can't be said of Silver. I think?) then the only future the Time Eater has access too should be lacking Iblis' rampage and Silver as we know him.
2	** The same reasoning also applies to Crisis City, which should be Iblis-free.
3	*** Maybe Silver will always exist, no matter what?
4	*** It's possible that it's the Silver from ''VideoGame/SonicRivals''. He ''did'' appear in that game, too.
5	** My personal explaination is that it's a result of the Time Eater screwing with time. It made the Crisis City timeline that was cut off by the end of ''Sonic 06'' accessible again, and as a result its version of Blaze and Silver appear as well.
6	* If Sonic is interacting with his past self, does this mean that he has two sets of memories of the events? Or that he knows what's about to happen already, because he's already lived through it?
7	** Following on from this is a lengthy WMG discussing the fates of Classic Sonic, '06 and Sonic Schoolhouse.
8	*** Considering that the game's story was written by the same people who did VideoGame/SonicColors, I don't think we should think too hard on serious levels.
9	** Going by [[Videogame/SonicForces Sonic Forces]], it seems the former guess is the correct answer.
10	* Modern Eggman says "There is no time here!" when he and his Classic self are trapped in a white void at the end of the game. How was he even able to say that, let alone bicker with "himself"? A place without time would lead to an AndIMustScream moment, since without time, nothing can progress!
11	** Let's just say he was in a void similar to the one Sonic and his friends were flung to in the beginning.
12	*** Then we wouldn't get the [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments bickering scene]].
13	* My brain farted at this incident. While I love the game, I can't understand that after rescuing Blaze, she comments on how it's strange she was back at Crisis City (one of the levels of the future in Sonic '06). Now from the very intro you see Blaze with Sonic's other friends celebrating his birthday party, so unless Blaze somehow not only managed to survive the encounter with Iblis but could also warp space and time herself, it's easier to assume it's the same Blaze from the Sonic Rush series, a series which is clearly not set in the same dimension as Sonic 06 (which, by the way, had its plot completely erased by the end of the game). Despite my best efforts, I can only assume that the Future Blaze became one with the Iblis flames and sealed herself away in an alternate dimension (being Sol Blaze's) where she inadvertently merged with Sol Blaze, cursing her with the power of the flames that she mentioned in her debut. Afterwards, she gained what must've either been memories or strange senses of deja vu when thinking about places Future Blaze went to, in dreams or otherwise. This is the only theory I feel holds and I'm sticking to it unless someone has a better answer. Please, because I can't handle the paradoxes!
14	** Well, first off, there's the fact that Sonic 06's events never happened if you bother to take a look at the ending; also, if the DS version of Colors is canon or matters at all, she did say the Sol Emeralds started glowing strangely and she wound up in Eggman's theme park in the Sweet Mountain planet area, not to mention she did appear alongside Silver there. My guess is that whatever the Sol Emeralds did to send her there didn't send her back, or she decided to stay for one reason or another.
15	** What if the Sol Emeralds are trying to force Blaze to get out and have fun? Or go on dates with Silver.
16	*** Also, the Time Eater could tear time and space, so it could bring back levels from other timelines...[[{{MST3KMantra}} look, just go with it.]]
17	*** Maybe there are two Blazes? One from the future, and one from an alternate dimension?
18	*** [[WordOfGod Iizuka has, at Sonic Boom 2012,]] confirmed that Blaze is in fact from the Sol Dimension and not from the future. Though he didn't explain why she appeared to be from the future or why she was there however.
19	** We may look to the Archie comics as an example of universe and timeline splitting and its effects in the Sonic world. Blaze's current backstory may be a consequence of the now-removed events of Sonic 06, even if Sonic 06 is non canon. The current, permanent state of the affairs was influenced by the transient state of affairs at the end of Sonic 06 - Blaze absorbed a fire god and transported herself into an alternate dimension. Then, when the universe reset at the end of 06, those transient events became permanent - Blaze suddenly had ''always'' been from that alternate dimension, and inherited some of the fire god's previous host's qualities. The Time Eater's white void brought back Crisis City, causing Blaze to regain memory of that event as long as it existed again in a timeline she was aware of.
20	* Unless there wasn't enough room on the game card, why are there less levels in the 3DS version than the console version? Also, why is there only one level based on the handheld games (Water Palace from Sonic Rush)?
21	** So each level could have a Special Stage, one with each Chaos Emerald to collect. Also, Tropical Resort IS from the DS version of Sonic Colors, so it's possible that instead of the Modern Era, we have the DS Era.
22	* Why would Eggman bring back City Escape, Radical Highway, or Crisis City? He said he was using the Time Eater to undo his defeats, but he had nothing to do with those levels. The enemies aren't even his bots either.
23	** It's likely he would lure Sonic into those levels since they have a high amount of danger (City Escape with the GUN truck, Radical Highway with the GUN robots since Shadow inadvertently framed Sonic, and Crisis City... I think it's pretty obvious).
24	*** This might actually explain why the G.U.N truck has buzzsaws: [[FridgeBrilliance Eggman upgraded it]].
25	* So you know how Eggman controlled the Time Eater? And how he had the idea to go back in time and plot with his past self? Well, that's all fine and dandy, but what happened to Modern Eggman? You know, the one who was piloting the Egg Dragoon? I guess that was supposed to explain how both Eggmen got there, but wouldn't Eggman have been there already to capture Classic Eggman? Did they just capture the other Modern Eggman [[ForTheLulz for the lulz?]]
26	** No, that's the "current" Modern Eggman; Classic Eggman was piloting the Time Eater at the time.
27	*** Except that it was Modern Eggman who found the Time Eater and went back in time to capture Classic Eggman. Theen for some reason they decided to go and get the other Modern Eggman and this is never heard from again.
28	*** There's no other Modern Eggman; the Eggmen were trying to destroy the Sonics and Tailses with the Egg Dragoon, retreating in the Time Eater when the mech got destroyed.
29	*** My guess is that '06 Eggman was working behind the scenes on all this!
30	*** ...now I need proof of THAT.
31	*** I believe the reason that Modern Eggman had to recruit Classic Eggman, so Classic Eggman could go into the future with the Time Eater to save Modern Eggman.
32	** Pretty sure the events Eggman went through go like this:
33	*** 1. Modern Eggman finds the Time Eater after the events of [[Videogame/SonicColors Sonic Colors]]. Manages to get it somewhat under his control, and proceeds send Modern Sonic and his friends to various locations in time, as well as Classic Sonic and Tails.
34	*** 2. Modern Eggman grabs Classic Eggman after the Death Egg Robot/Big Arms fight.
35	*** 3. Upon learning of the situation, Classic Eggman decides to help his future self have better control over the Time Eater.
36	*** 4. Once the Sonics get through the Modern era - as well as Modern Sonic defeating Silver - Modern Eggman decides to confront Modern Sonic in the Egg Dragoon/Egg Emperor. He fails, after which Classic Eggman bails him out.
37	*** 5. The Final Battle happens.
38	* Don't get me wrong. He's adorable, and I like him that way, but... why is Classic Sonic mute?
39	** It's possible he's not, since Tails mentions someone saying Eggman was kidnapped and he was the only one around for that. Of course, [[SeriesContinuityError he's looking at Modern Sonic when he says that.]]
40	** From what I've heard, they wanted to get [[WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog Jaleel White]] to do the voice, but when they couldn't, they just made him mute instead.
41	*** From what I've heard they never even asked Jaleel.
42	*** The real reason is that they just wanted to play safe, we all know how the most vocal are with this kind of thing.
43	* One thing that's always bothered me was inclusion of Radical Highway and Biolizard in the 3DS version. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against either one... hell, Biolizard is, in my opinion, ''easily'' one of the best boss battles in the entire series. However, the thing that bugs me is that it was actually ''Shadow'' who experienced them in Sonic Adventure 2. Seeing as how the game is basically one big trip down memory lane for Sonic, both seem a bit out of place, since he never went through Radical Highway, nor did he battle the Biolizard. In Radical Highway's case, it's especially annoying when you consider that they easily could've included a fan-favorite, like Metal Harbor or Green Forest.
44	** For what it's worth, Sonic was at least present for the Biolizard fight, and it's very possible Sonic went through a Radical Highway-esque area after splitting up with Tails before the latter's Mission Street stage. Of course, it's doubtful the devs thought of this (they were just choosing iconic levels/battles), but still, it might justify it in a story-context.
45	*** Who says that the levels have to be from Sonic's memories? The Time Eater did all the work bringing the levels into the White Space.
46	* If Sega does another game like Sonic Generations in the future, what will be used to represent Sonic Generations?
47	** ...I got it! We'll go through a level that takes set elements from all of the levels used in the game and throw them in some kind of time vortex like the one in the final boss fight.
48	** So it would be [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 The End of the World]], but with the levels from Generations?
49	** Another one: Blank White Void Zone, which will at the end take place in a giant set of gears or something.
50	** It'll only be a boss fight against the Time Eater.
51	*** Isn't it a bit early to discuss another milestone game?
52	* Was the Blaze in Sonic Generations the one from the future, or the one from an alternate dimension? She mentions Crisis City, but alternate-dimension Blaze was the one that more recently appeared.
53	** Well, [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 Sonic '06]] didn't actually happen, so I'm guessing it's the Rush incarnation in Generations.
54	** From Blaze's in-game profile: "Blaze is a princess from another dimension who is the protector of the Sol Emeralds. Blaze takes her job so seriously that she isn't good at making friends. But the time she has spent with Sonic has enabled her to discover the meaning of friendship." This fits perfectly with her Rush incarnation. Though this does raise questions about why she would remember Crisis City.
55	*** She probably only remembers Crisis City in a self-deprecating, meta way, as was the style of the games at the time. "Oh no, this is from that crappy game we all pretend was never made, I never thought we'd have to see anything from that again."
56	* What's with Shadow? In games after VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog, he underwent CharacterDevelopment and became TheLancer. But in this game, he's gone back to being a JerkAss, wanting to defeat Sonic. There's even an implication that this isn't the Shadow with his mind stuck in "defeat Sonic to be the best" mode (as Silver later on challenges Sonic because he wasn't sure if Sonic was an impostor or not, [[{{BestBossEver}} and was actually happy that he was defeated by the blue blur afterwards]], rather than stuck in "kill Sonic to POSSIBLY save my future" mode from '06). Did the writers [[{{Flanderization}} Flanderize]] him?
57	** To clarify, when you first talk to Silver in the White Space, he says "Sonic? Is that really you? Or are you some kind of fake, sent for the Chaos Emeralds?!"
58	** My theory is that when the Shadow was absorbed by the Time Eater (don't ask where) he got to a different timeline for Final Rush, this one without Sonic, and giving possesion of that (ehem) DAMN fourth Chaos Emerald. He took his chance, but decided to get out from this new version of Final Chase/Rush, heavily altered by consequence of the Time Eater (that's why it's more or less a different setting from the [=SA2=] one). Ending up in the white void, he keeps the Emerald, and finds out Sonic is around. While willing to help, he would not miss this chance to challenge Sonic, I mean, why not? That (sorry) DAMN fourth Emerald sure must have raised his ego a bit more. He fails to defeat Sonic, so he just proceeds helping. He will always be in for another rematch.
59	** Another thought is that Shadow is deliberately playing up his "baddie" angle so that Sonic goes all in against him. That, or Sonic tends to grate on his nerves enough that he slips back into his jerkass persona.
60	** The real reason is likely {{Flanderization}}. Over the past few games and especially in the games, he undergos into such a thing, unfortunately.
61	* When did Classic Sonic get captured? Most evidence points out that Sonic came from between VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2 (he knows Tails) and VideoGame/Sonic3DFlickiesIsland (he didn't have a speaking role), except for the fact that he learns the homing attack in the ending. That means he was captured between VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles and VideoGame/Sonic3DFlickiesIsland, because he can homing attack in the latter. Then why is he limited to the Golden Shield's power to homing attack, when he could do it at will in the ending?
62	** He simply hasn't perfected the homing attack yet.
63	** Or Sonic 3D is non-canon, as has been hinted to be the case with many pre-Sonic Adventure games. And him being a silent protagonist in Generations never made that much sense anyway.
64	** I always assumed it was at least after the events of either Sonic 3 & Knuckles or Sonic 3D Blast.
65	** Since Classic Sonic doesn't use the homing attack in VideoGame/SonicMania or VideoGame/SonicForces (both explicitly sequels to Generations,) it raises the possibility that either 1) The 3DS version where he perfects the attack right away isn't canon, or 2) he knows the attack but simply chooses not to use it in those sequels. Either way, it means any timeline assumption based on Sonic using or not using the homing attack is thrown out the window. Generations could very well take place at any point between Sonic 2 and VideoGame/SonicAdventure.
66	* What was the logic behind making it so that Classic Sonic never speaks? He was ''never'' a HeroicMime. The games he starred in just didn't have any dialogue, so he didn't get a chance to speak. Even then, he ''did'' speak when the hardware [[VideoGame/SonicCD his]] [[VideoGame/SegaSonicTheHedgehog games]] were on made it feasible, as well as in the story prologues from some of the classic games' Japanese manuals. He spoke far more than Classic Tails ever did prior to Generations, yet this one did get a speaking role here. That's pretty backwards.
67	** Classic Sonic is not a younger version of Sonic. He is a literal interpretation of how the Genesis Sonic sprites would look in 3D. Since He does not speak in the Genesis trilogy, he does not speak here.
68	*** So he's less the past version of the main timeline's Sonic, and more a new character introduced in Generations that is modeled after the Genesis-era Sonic? That does makes sense. That explains why he's seemingly mute when "main" Sonic isn't, the eye color change, and why it's stated in Sonic Forces that he's actually from another dimension.
69	* Tails' line about not remembering Green Hill Zone makes sense at the beginning of the game but at the end Classic Tails clearly jumps through a portal leading to that exact location, so what the hell?
70	** The devs probably either didn't notice or didn't care, or it might just be representing the classic era, and Classic Sonic and Classic Tails weren't actually sent to Green Hill.
71	** Modern Tails doesn't remember Green Hill for the same reason he and Modern Sonic don't recall meeting their future selves when they were younger. It's regular time travel, not a stable time loop.
72	** He got sent to the Taxman port of Sonic 1.
73	** Answered by Sonic Forces. The Classic Era from Sonic Generations is now its own timeline separate from the regular continuity, which is where Sonic Mania takes place. So the time travel in Generations didn't change history as much as it split the timeline.
74	* Wouldn't it be less confusing if the developers have Classic Sonic live in an alternate universe? Wouldn't it make more sense if 1990s Sonic was from a separate universe from modern 2000s Sonic?
75	** Seeing how Modern Sonic's games have and are still referencing the classic games, not really. There's also the fact Sonic Adventure is pretty much a Sonic 3 & Knuckles sequel story-wise, and was specifically written to tie in with the classic games' lore.

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