Line #54 Fridge/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold


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2	* When I first saw ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'', I thought it took Batman's "Batgod" status a little too far. After watching the episode "Game Over for Owlman," in which Owlman uses Ted Kord's BB Gun to disable Jaime Reyes, it hit me - this is a Batman to whom [[ReedRichardsIsUseless Reed Richards is not useless.]] All of the crazy, outlandish, un-Batman-y gadgets Batman uses in this show - mecha, lightsabers, space flight capable jetpack, etc. - are the results of Batman augmenting his arsenal with additions copied or suggested from his fellow superheroes! This actually makes ''more'' sense than the comic Batman sticking to light body armor and low technology despite spending so much time around mega-geniuses and alien technology. --@/TheEvilDrBolty
3	** Even more fitting that such a Batman would be acquainted with so many other heroes. Associating himself with such diverse individuals gives him access to a wealth of different weapons, skills and technology from all manner of worlds.
4	** Which means that [[MediaNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Batman, despite his {{camp}}iness ruining the darkness of Batman, was actually the best and most efficient crimefighter out of the versions. Which also means that MediaNotes/{{the Bronze Age\|OfComicBooks}} and [[MediaNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks Dark Age]] actually made Batman less realistic than MediaNotes/{{the Silver Age\|of Comic Books}}.--@/{{Yarrunmace}}
5	*** Well, shoot, in the late '50s and early '60s, Gotham City was renowned for being a pleasant, prosperous place with a fairly low crime rate, because Batman had cleaned up the city. Sure, there were weird aliens wandering aimlessly through town every couple of months, but yeah, by and large, the "silliest" Batman was by far the most effective one. -- @/YourObedientSerpent
6	*** Sadly, it all fits the modern era's obsessive iconoclasm that says that failure is more realistic. They dislike the MediaNotes/{{the Silver Age\|of Comic Books}} Batman because they could not bring themselves to accept his high success rate and high mental health.
7	** It isn't like comic! Batman isn't CrazyPrepared either. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' just took 'Batman can beat anyone with enough prep time' and turned it into 'Batman has a lightsaber and a car that turns into a giant robot, ''just in case''.'
8	*** Meaning he had more than enough prep time.
9	* I recently had one of these moments regarding everyone's favorite EnsembleDarkhorse The Music Meister. Setting to spoilers for everyone that hasn't seen his episode yet: [[spoiler: so, in the final music number, we are treated to a montage of his hypnotized victims stealing everything and anything insight; at first, FridgeLogic sets in when you think there's no possible way he could ever need or collect all that is being take. But this is where the Brilliance comes into play: He KNOWS this. After his show stopping number ends, people will be confused and maybe even slightly panicked; meaning that it would take weeks, or even months, to figure out everything that was missing and what was just taken by the hypnotized masses. By that time, the Music Meister could be literally ANYWHERE in the world with whatever he felt he could take without being noticed. [[LargeHam Too subtle for his character you say?]] That leads to another moment of Brilliance; that 'character' is an act! (a performance, if you will). He plays up the camp factor by singing all the time (when vocalizing at the pitch needed to hypnotize people would be enough), wearing ever more extravagant costumes and just being as over the top as possible to hide just how subtle he can be (and possibly because he honestly enjoys it).]] Suddenly; an already epic character seems EVEN MORE Awesome.
10	** Also regarding the Music Meister: his appearance is very similar to the Music ''Master'', from the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' two-parter "Legends". He was part of the Injustice Guild, the evil counterpart to the Justice Guild, which was the alternate-universe Justice League with characters slightly different to their "real" DCAU counterparts- Catman instead of Batman, Black Siren instead of Black Canary, and so on. It therefore makes perfect sense that the same villain in Batman's universe would be called the Music ''Meister'' instead. The Music Master also had a European accent (I'm not entirely sure which country it was), so swapping his accent to American and the name to German might have been a further play on the universe-switch theme. -- {{Tropers/Eruvadhril}}
11	** The heroes and villains in the Music Meister's first scene weren't chosen at random.
12	*** Green Arrow delivers his PreAssKickingOneLiner and readies his bow to the first musical stings of the song (which in turn makes him the first voice heard in the soundtrack version). The first part of the song heard is being played by the orchestra's ''[[StealthPun string]]'' section.
13	*** Black Manta and AQUAMAN are the aquatic members of their respective sides, and so their powers would naturally include a fish-like sensitivity to sound vibrations. They are of course the first two characters to actually begin singing.
14	*** Gorilla Grodd is a hyper-intelligent gorilla with PsychicPowers, foreshadowing the hypnotic properties of the Music Meister's singing voice.
15	*** Black Canary's signature power (SuperScream) involves use of her voice. She's also the female ''lead'' for this episode.
16	*** The ClockKing is his own TropeNamer. Time is a fundamental element of music.
17	* Starro was able to successfully assimilate the people of every world except Earth (because of all the heroes), and Claramar. Why couldn't he assimilate the people of Claramar? ''They have no faces to latch on to.'' --{{Tropers/Freiberg}}
18	* It had never occurred to this Troper until rewatching it the tenth time, that at the very end of the GrandFinale, it's the Music Meister playing piano at the after show party.
19	* In the episode featuring the Bat-bots, the prototype is voiced by Adam West. Taken by itself, this is merely a Casting Gag, but I suddenly remembered "The Chill Of The Night" and realized that ''[[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments Batman gave Proto the voice of his father]].'' --{{Tropers/Crowmagnon}}
20	* During his alliteration battle with Penguin in "Night of the Batmen!" Aquaman is unable to think of a bird name that starts with "G". Now calling someone a Goose is a common enough insult, BUT, The first bird Aquaman called Penguin? An albatross. Which is a SEA BIRD. Aquaman, IdiotHero he may be, would know what an albatross is, unlike a goose which is much more inland for the King of seas to take notice of.
21	** Umm, [[FridgeLogic Gull?]]
22	*** [[FridgeLogic Gulls are coastal birds that stay close to land]]. The logic holds.
23	* In the Emperor Joker episode, Batman tells Bat-Mite that Joker's in a specially-designed cell and won't be breaking out any time soon. Bat-Mite simply snaps his fingers, Batman gets a call, and guess who's on the loose again? Bat-Mite loves seeing Batman in action, right? Suddenly Arkham's CardboardPrison reputation makes a lot more sense.
24	* Possibly unintentional, but in "The Revenge of the Reach," Jaime, ends the fight with The Reach's army of scarabs by overloading the Scarabs with Green energy he got from Guy, as he says "There's always Hope." In the comics,the [[Characters/GLBlueLanternCorps Blue Lantern Corps]] represents Hope, and they are at their most powerful when aided by a Green Lantern.
25	* A meta example. In "Chill of the Night," ComicBook/ThePhantomStranger is played by Creator/KevinConroy, opposite Creator/MarkHamill as ComicBook/TheSpectre.The Spectre continually tries to push Batman over the edge and make him kill Joe Chill, so that he will become a remorseless murderer, while The Stranger knows that Batman will not falter. [[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke In other words, The Joker is trying to give someone "One Bad Day," while Batman knows that his target is better than that]].
26	* While still on the topic of "Chill of the Night," notice that when Joe tells all the villains present that the son of the man he killed is Batman, Joker starts laughing and changes the topic from hunting down Batman, to beating Joe Chill. In nearly every iteration, Joker rarely cares to find out who Batman really is, mainly due to keep the game going. If he really wanted to, he'd probably figure it out no problem. To him, it's the game he doesn't want to end prematurely, so the second he sees someone about to spoil it for him, he'll make sure it doesn't happen, so he flipped the topic on blaming Joe Chill for Batman's existence into having everyone forget about ever looking into who exactly Joe Chill was talking about.
27	* In "Time Out for Vengeance!" Cave Batman laughs at the idea of a Batcave for a hideout. This is because hiding in a cave in his time was like using a crowed mall as a hide-out in our time.
28	* In "Emperor Joker," when Batman decides the best method of defeating the Joker's nigh omnipotent powers is to use his mind, it seems a bit odd at first until you realize Batmite's first appearance in the series has him being defeated by the fact that his own imagination was running away with itself, despite the fact that he could use his powers to get himself out of a jam, Batmite didn't and was even shown later to be struggling to use them to set things right. If [=BTBaTB=] Batmite follows the same logic as Batmite in the comics with his powers being controlled by a part of his brain, it's possible that Mind truly is stronger than magic, as a mind overrun by panic or fear can't use the 5th dimensional abilities, Joker wasn't in any danger at first in Batman's mind, and allowed himself to give into fear when Batman suggested he would be completely sane.
29	* The weird visuals like the multiple AQUAMEN and sudden scene changes during AQUAMAN's Rousing Song of Heroism may seem like just another AcidTripSequence, but remember that he and Captain Atom are in what is effectively the JLI version of the Danger Room. It wouldn't be that unusual for this series, or out of character for AQUAMAN to have pre-programmed a musical number into the hologram generator just in case he had a chance to go full-on ham with a RousingSpeech.
30	* This troper first thought Thomas Wayne fighting off Lew Moxin and his cronies was just another Adam West as Batman joke. Then I remembered that he became Batman in at least two alternate universes, so the idea of him being able to hold his own in a fight doesn't seem like a stretch.
31	* At first, I was wondering why Robin in this show seems more arrogant, hot blooded and jerky than the usual portrayals of Dick Grayson. Then it came to me, Robin is more likely to be a spoiled rich kid in this continuity than in other ones. Makes more sense to me, though I wish he'd learn from his jerkyness.
32	** Conversely, this Robin has yet to become Nightwing. He's still stuck in Batman's shadow, a situation that will wear away at anyone's composure.
33	* Equinox's costume really rocks the whole "balance" theme, except for the golden highlights like the one over his left eye, showing that ultimately he's "unbalanced" and unable to fulfill the function the Lords of Chaos and Order gave him.
34	* In "The Mask of Matches Malone," Batman as Matches (losing his memories and believing he really is the gangster) gets a cloak that gives you nine lives. Thankfully, he returns to being himself after they're used, the amnesia-induced "Matches" self 'dying' in favor of his true self, instead of dying for real. That seems an AssPull, and... maybe it is. However, since everyone knows who Matches is due to his activities in this episode, Batman can ''never'' use that identity to infiltrate villain organizations as a {{Mook}} and gain info again. As such, the end of his ninth life really was the permanent end of Matches Malone.
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36	[[AC:FridgeHorror]]
37	* Am I the only one who realized just how dangerous TheMusicMeister from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' is?! Now, don't get me wrong, the episode was a delight, but hear me out. Throughout the episode, he took control of people just by SINGING. By doing a musical number through Gotham, WHILE RUNNING FROM THE BATMAN, he turned the entire city into his slaves. Heck, in the opening, if Batman hadn't stopped them, the three heroes and three villains he had control of, who he had control of even before he first APPEARED, would have done a kickline right into a rocketblast at Music Meister's orders. Even with Batman's PlotDevice earplugs in them, {{ComicBook/AQUAMAN}}, ComicBook/GreenArrow, and ComicBook/BlackCanary were STILL singing, which implies that his voice isn't just hypnotic, but [[TheVirus viral!]] [[spoiler: He was literally just one person away from ruling the entire world at the end...]]
38	** ...God, if he got into the main DCU, and took control of Oracle and Calculator...
39	*** Calculator exists in this show too.
40	** It's ungodly catchy for us, too. Dear lord, [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou imagine what would happen if he saw us.]]
41	*** Oh, it gets bloody worse people. Remember that punk musical number "Death Trap"? Remember how since he had Batman and Black Canary tied up they were clearly out cold for an extended period of time? Music Meister just had to drop the VillainBall for 5 seconds and think "You know, instead of putting them in this overly complex trap, why don't I just TAKE OUT HIS EAR PLUGS!" If he had just rolled slightly higher on that wisdom check he would've WON... for good. [[AffablyEvil Granted, we wouldn't be in misery.]]
42	*** However on the bright side, since the world stopped singing right after his microphone blew, he would've lost control as soon as he had to go to bed.
43	*** Unless he recorded a track of his singing, and implanted it in his microphone.
44	*** Batman rigged up his suit to work as a tazser in the event that someone tries to take it off him in one movie, which the Joker(?) learned the hard way. Why he didn't take CANARY'S earplugs, though...
45	*** What about his potential imprisonment? Would he have to be gagged 24/7? Would they use that throat-constricting drug that Batman developed in the comics (''ComicBook/JLATowerOfBabel'' in case you were wondering)?
46	*** Maybe Batman finagled a collar that lets him speak, but blocks the special pitch? Still horrifying, considering there are dog collars that do that, but it's a little less horrifying than being completely mute in a place like Blackgate or Arkham...
47	* In the first part of "The Siege of Starro!", [[spoiler: Faceless Hunter looks like he killed off ComicBook/RedTornado]]. Absolutely no one mentions looking for him at all. WhatTheHellHero indeed.
48	** Doesn't that happen to him all the time, though? He was killed in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' once (destroyed by A.M.A.Z.O. in "The Return"), and was back in time for "Panic in the Sky". [[GoodThingYouCanHeal Good Thing You Can Be Rebuilt]]!
49	** Yes but what if [[spoiler:Faceless Hunter]] made sure to hide the body?
50	*** If it makes you feel any better, [[spoiler: Tornado turns up just fine during the afterparty in "Mitefall".]]
51	*** Technically, that doesn't count, as the confirmed-dead B'wana Beast was at the party.
52	* At the beginning of "Trials of the Demon!", Scarecrow genetically alters Gotham's pumpkins to emit fear gas when heated. Obviously, this makes jack-o-lanterns dangerous, but this also includes a fall staple: pumpkin pies. How many people would go insane simply from cooking their pumpkins?
53	* It's hinted as a portrait in the bar in "The Joker: The Vile and the Villianous" but apparently one of the portraits is the third Clayface Preston Payne... this proves that this Clayface is the one that exists in Brave and the Bold's continuity... to those who haven't read the comics, the first Clayface was a deranged actor, the second and well known Clayface is a shapeshifter, but the third one is one big walking BodyHorror who happens to melt anyone he touches!
54	* In "Gorillas In Our Midst!", Grodd's lieutenants are Monsieur Mallah and Gorilla Boss. Except any in-depth DC fan would know the Gorilla Boss isn't a true ape, but a human mobster who got his brain transplanted into a gorilla's body. Either Grodd and Mallah are so fanatical they're willing to work with a guy basically wearing an ape's corpse, or Gorilla Boss is keeping his origins secret for fear they'd murder him if they knew what he was.
55	* Jaime's interaction with the Scarab shows it's got some measure of sentience, and with Jaime's influence becomes good. And then at the end of ''Revenge of the Reach'', the Guardians of the Universe plan to destroy all the other scarabs... so basically, the little blue guys are killing off an entire species.
56	* "Inside The Outsiders!" is full of this:
57	** Psycho Pirate has kidnapped all of the Outsiders, which prompts Batman to look for them. Based on what he says, it's implied he's been looking for them for a while, meaning that the three of them have been trapped in their nightmares for however long that might be!
58	** Later in the episode, Psycho Pirate tells Batman that the kids dying would be his fault since he convinced them to be heroes. However, if the three of them hadn't been heroes, Batman may not have known to look for them, and their old boss likely wouldn't care enough to search, meaning that they could have been trapped for however long Psycho Pirate wanted to keep them.
59	** Batman specifies that Psycho Pirate feeds off negative emotions, but especially rage, and he seems to try and drive his victims into the angry stage. Katana, by the time we see her, decides to take revenge right as Batman has appeared, but up until that point, she seems mostly sad and horrified at her master's death, which means she wasn't quite at the anger stage yet. Black Lightning is angry enough to revert to his old habit as a villain of electrocuting civilians and not listening to people (which is made even clearer by how comparatively calmer he is once he's out of the dream), so it's likely that he was driven to rage very quickly. But Metamorpho is described by Black Lightning as happy-go-lucky, and he's totally pissed by the time the heroes get to him. [[NothingisScarier So what exactly did he have to go through to drive him to the state of rage we see him in?]]
60	** Black Lightning's dream provides some mild comedic relief because most of the things that piss him off are [[DisproportionateRetribution incredibly minor and silly]] (Like a lady wearing white after Labor Day and a guy putting sprinkles on his coffee). However, Batman outright states that Black Lightning is giving other people the same prejudice and judgement that drove him and the other Outsiders underground in the first place. Which means that the way Black Lightning treats everybody in his dream reflects how he feels he's been treated in his life; and he must have felt like [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer he couldn't do inconsequential things without either being judged or attacked while out in public, or risk making some small mistake that everyone would get on him for.]] It also doesn't help that in every episode the Outsiders appeared in (Before we see them as adults), he's the one with the most visible animosity towards "normal" people. Suddenly, it's a little harder to laugh at him.
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62	[[AC: FridgeLogic]]
63	* Why is Atlantis a DomedHometown if everyone can breathe underwater?
64	** They couldn't breathe water when their continent sank, only the dome saved them. They then altered themselves to live underwater.
65	*** Did they know Atlantis would sink or did they build the dome after it sank or while it was sinking?
66	*** I believe the canon answer ([[AllThereInTheManual from the comics]]) is that the dome had been built to protect from other threats, and just happened to work in this situation beautifully.
67	** Maybe they just find walking easier and more convenient than swimming all the time.
68	*** It makes a lot of things more convenient - they wouldn't have to invent waterproof ink and paper, they wouldn't have to make sure all their technology and stuff is 100% waterproof as well, they can use electricity without shocking everyone in the nearby area, they can host surface dwellers such as Batman or diplomats much more easily, etc.
69	* Why did AQUAMAN's plan in "Mystery In Space" involve borrowing [[spoiler:Earth's moon]] for an eclipse, and not one of the other billion or so chunks of dirt in the universe of roughly the same size that wouldn't cause untold devastation to the planet's inhabitants?
70	** And why didn't the Eye of Zarod have a battery backup?
71	* How does Bat-Mite, the biggest Batman fan ever, ''not'' recognize Harley Quinn? (You'd think someone who can traverse dimensions would be open to the idea of a CanonImmigrant...)
72	** Given her redesign as a 20s gangster moll, he may have thought she was another Joker henchwoman.
73	* I don't know if this would count, but did anyone else notice that in "The Long Arm of the Law," Batman says that ComicBook/PlasticMan has lost 2.2 "percent" of himself, but the screen of the device he's holding is in ''grams?!'' Either Plas is ''exactly'' 100 grams (which is unlikely), or the creators of this show had no idea what they were doing. --@/Freud
74	** Or Batman has a countermeasure in case of a rogue ComicBook/PlasticMan which involves his exact mass, and Bat's is a genius who can do math on the fly.
75	* Also In Emperor Joker, when Joker breaks out of prison, Batman tracks him down via the Batcycle. Bat-Mite rides along with him, which begs the question, why even use it if Bat-Mite can just teleport them there. Well, he could, but then he wouldn't be able to ride along with Batman.

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