Line #241 ComicBook/FantasticFour1961


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4	''Fantastic Four'' is a 1961 comic book series from Creator/MarvelComics by Creator/JackKirby, with some plots of Creator/StanLee. The series was one of the starting points of MediaNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks and the beginning of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse.
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6	It all began when scientist Reed Richards, his best friend Ben Grimm, Reed's fiancee Sue Storm and Sue's little brother Johnny stole an experimental rocket to go into space, heedless of the risks of dangerous cosmic radiation. That radiation would give all four fantastical abilities, which they vowed to use for the protection of mankind. And on that day, the Fantastic Four were born!
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8	This run introduced or popularized a huge number of tropes to the superhero genre, mainly superheroes having problems and fighting among them. It also goes without saying that it also introduces a ''lot'' of the characters and concepts that became mainstays of the Marvel Universe as a whole. The two worked together until ''Fantastic Four'' issue #101, one of the longest shared runs between a writer and artist in the Big Two for decades, not broken until Brian Bendis and Mark Bagley's ''Ultimate Spider-Man''. Jack quit Marvel between issues #102 and #103, which was a multi-part story.
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10	!!Notable creative runs include:
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12	* ''ComicBook/FantasticFourLeeAndKirby'' (1961-70)
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15	!!Notable storylines created during this run includes:
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17	* ''[[ComicBook/FantasticFourNumber1 Fantastic Four #1]]''
18	* ''ComicBook/FantasticFourAnnualNumber1''
19	* ''ComicBook/FantasticFourAnnualNumber2''
20	* ''[[ComicBook/FantasticFourAnnualThree Fantastic Four Annual #3]]''
21	* ''ComicBook/ABlindManShallLeadThem''
22	* ''ComicBook/AmongUsHideTheInhumans''
23	* ''ComicBook/TheComingOfGalactus''
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26	!!''Fantastic Four (1961)'' provides examples of:
27	%% Anything after #416 is from a later volume with 'Legacy Numbering', not the 1961 series
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31	[[folder:Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's run]]
32	-> See ComicBook/FantasticFourLeeAndKirby
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35	[[folder:Stan Lee's run]]
36	* NoSuchThingAsSpaceJesus: Subverted the second time Galactus attacks Earth in issue #120. He is preceded by his new herald Air Walker, a very impressive-looking being who just happens to be named ''Gabriel Lan'' [[note]] Technically, it's a [[RobotMe robot duplicate]] of the real Gabriel Lan, who is deceased by then. [[/note]] and who, as a herald of Galactus, has come to announce the end of the world. Naturally, the human onlookers assume he is the Biblical Gabriel announcing Armageddon and are terrified. Air Walker is then confronted by the Characters/SilverSurfer, who makes it plain that he himself ''does'' believe in God, and that Air Walker cannot possibly be His agent, because Air Walker is acting like a bullying jerk.
37	-->'''Silver Surfer:''' The ultimate power need never be flaunted! You cannot possibly be who you claim!
38	* TwistingTheProphecy: When the Overmind was introduced in issue #113, he was fond of quoting a prophecy about himself: "From out of the heavens shall come the Overmind, and he shall crush the universe." Indeed, none of the heroes can make a dent in him, even with the TeethClenchedTeamwork of [[Characters/MarvelComicsDoctorDoom Doctor Doom]]. It took the DeusExMachina of The Stranger showing up, and summarily shrinking the Overmind to particulate size, taunting: "Now the Overmind has his universe to crush, on a nameless mote of dust."
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41	[[folder:Roy Thomas' run]]
42	* PoweredArmor: During Thomas' run in the early 70s, the Thing lost his powers, so he wound up using a exo-suit version of his previous body.
43	* TerribleIntervieweesMontage: In issue #177, the Frightful Four (who were betrayed by Thundra and now reduced to just the Wizard, Sandman and Paste-Pot Pete) defeated the FF and kept them captive while making auditions for a forth member. They got: a guy with no powers, a guy who can make tornados but would only join if he was well paid for his services (and they expected a member that was in it ForTheEvulz), Thundra (who was there only to have another chance to strike them), a guy with awesome powers but with a fobia to fire, and Tigra (a new character then; she found the Wizard very attractive... because he was the nearest one to the lever that would release the FF). The Wizard then made a general call: ''any'' of those waiting outside that helps them defeat the Torch and the Thing would be accepted as a member. [[DirtyCoward They all ran away]]. The only one to remain was The Brute, who finally became the 4th member.
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46	%%[[folder:Gerry Conway's run]]
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49	[[folder:Marv Wolfman's run]]
50	* HoistByHisOwnPetard: In issue #196, Doctor Doom gloats to an imprisoned Reed Richards about a torture room he designed full of thousands of mirrors arranged in such a way that the myriad reflections are so incomprehensible to the human mind that looking at it without protective goggles can induce a HeroicBSOD. In issue #200, Doom and Reed's climactic battle leads to Reed chasing Doom into the aforementioned room, where Doom beats the living crap out of Reed and strangles him while screaming about how much he hates him. However, Reed manages to tear off Doom's mask just before he passes out, and the sight of his grotesquely disfigured face reflected at him thousands of times drives Doom completely insane ([[UnexplainedRecovery he gets better]]).
51	* ShoutOut: Annual #12 sees the Thing fighting an out-of-control robot and crashing into ''Series/TheGongShow''.
52	* TakeThat: When HERBIE the robot was infamously introduced for the 1978 cartoon, Marvel's writers were evidently not too happy about it. So during Marv Wolfman's run, Johnny explains to [[ComicBook/{{Nova}} Richard Rider]] that he was absent when the others signed the contract for the show (as, much to Ben's ire, Reed was busy creating a real HERBIE robot with a Xandarian scientist so they could get back to Earth easier). A few issues later, it's revealed [[BrainInAJar Doctor Sun]], [[RoguesGalleryTransplant a former enemy of]] ComicBook/{{Dracula\|MarvelComics}}'s who had joined Nova and company in an attempt to gain the knowledge of Xandar's computers, uploaded himself into HERBIE and attempted to kill the team. HERBIE/Sun ends up getting blown up by the end of the issue.
53	* WhamEpisode: Issue #216 opens with the following disclaimer: "'''Warning:''' In this incredible issue, you'll find the '''one word''' you never thought you'd see in a Marvel comic '''again!'''" At the end of the issue, the Fantastic Four (seeking to know who the mysterious alien beings behind the Nuwali and Fortisquains were) locate a defunct Nuwalian heater in the currently frozen-over Savage Land and open it up, finding one word among the machinery: '''''Beyonder'''''. This is the name of a group of powerful aliens that were first mentioned back in issue 63 of the Thing's own TeamUpSeries, ''Marvel Two-In-One''. The revelation also inspires most of the Fantastic Four to visit the singular entity of the same name (from ''ComicBook/SecretWars1984'' and ''ComicBook/SecretWarsII'') a few issues later.
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56	%%[[folder:Doug Moench's run]]
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59	[[folder:John Byrne's run]]
60	* CandidsForSale: In issue #275, a sleazy tabloid takes pictures of She-Hulk sunbathing topless with the intention of selling them for a large amount of money. She-Hulk fails to stop the pictures from seeing print but is able to avoid public embarrassment thanks to the pictures being color corrected in the printing process, making the woman in the images unrecognizable as She-Hulk.
61	* CasualHighDrop: During Creator/JohnByrne's tenure, he had She-Hulk substitute for Ben Grimm. While fighting against the mask of Doctor Doom (who'd presumably died), she fell from a top-story window of the Baxter Building, and plummeted many stories to the street below. Of course, this won't hurt She-Hulk much; she instead aimed to miss the people and cars to minimize the collateral damage. How thoughtful.
62	* CourtRoomEpisode: Issue #262 is a follow-up on a story arc seen in Issues #242-244 where Galactus comes to Earth to die. Interestingly, this was spurred behind-the-scenes from Creator/ChrisClaremont having the Fantastic Four make a brief appearance in ''ComicBook/UncannyXMen'' #167 to have Majestrix Lilandra of the Shi'ar Emprie call out Reed for saving Galactus from death. Not only was this appearance unauthorised by then-current ''FF'' writer Creator/JohnByrne, he found the scene to come across as a "TakeThat" towards his writing and complained to then-Editor-in-Chief Creator/JimShooter about it. With [[RunningTheAsylum Assistant Editor's Month]] coming up, Byrne decided to make an entire issue inspired by the ''X-Men'' appearance.
63	* DangledByAGiant: In issue #248, while the Fantastic Four are visiting the Inhumans on the moon, gravity suddenly goes haywire. The cause is a Tractor Beam that's pulling the moon into the docking bay of a gargantuan starship. As a colossal alien begins to examine the moon, Ben Grimm tries to get its attention by tearing off a huge chuck from a control panel. Well, to Ben it's a huge chunk; to the alien, it's a mere sliver. The alien dangles the sliver with Ben still gripping it before its eye, but cannot see minuscule Ben. The alien shrugs, discounts the sliver as an anomaly, and does a Blind Shoulder Toss with the sliver. It's stated that poor Ben will take hours to plummet to the floor.
64	* FantasticallyChallengingPatient: Issue #258 has Manhattan doctors discuss a peculiar patient found badly mangled with broken bones aplenty. They have the patient bandaged from head to toe, and give him a "sugar and booze" (sucrose and methanol 3% solution) intravenous drip. Some doombots abscond this patient, taking him to Latveria, where Doctor Doom (no, NotThatKindOfDoctor) manages to heal him. The patient is revealed to be Terrax the Tamer a/k/a Tyros the Terrible. Doom plans to use Tyros, infused with the Power Cosmic, to soften up the Fantastic Four, then claim the ''coup de grace''.
65	* MindRape: In issue #280, the Psycho Man twisted Susan's emotions to turn her into the villain Malice. Sue explicitly compared the experience to being raped, and it was a key factor in her decision to [[MeaningfulRename change her name to the Invisible Woman]], and take [[TookALevelInBadass one of the biggest levels in badass in comics]].
66	* MistakenAge: Throughout the series, the Thing frequently mentioned his 'Aunt Petunia', with the implication that she was an old woman. When she finally appeared in issue #238, Petunia (she prefers 'Penny') was revealed to be his uncle's second wife and an attractive woman about the Thing's own age.
67	* MrAltDisney: In issues #263-264, Alden Maas goes mad and believes himself a {{Messia\|nicArchetype}}h. To solve the problem of overpopulation he plans to use the Human Torch to reignite the Earth's core thus expanding the landmass. He dies just as he's about to push the big button. Afterwards his assistants claim the idea would never work. Queried why they were doing it, they admit they were programmed to obey him. The point being, they know the messiah stuff is rubbish but they can only do what they're told.
68	* ObliviouslySuperpowered: In issue #234, Skip Collins is [[TheEveryman absolutely ordinary middle-aged man]] who actually happens to be a nigh-omnipotent RealityWarper. He remains unaware of this throughout the story, never realizing that the small lucky breaks and coincidences around him are caused by his power. At one point, he even [[TimeMaster speeds up time]] so that the weekend will arrive sooner. In the climax of the story, he spends all his power to fix the Earth when it's destroyed in a battle between Ego the Living Planet and the Fantastic Four, becoming truly an ordinary man, while everyone (including himself) remains unaware that planetary destruction has been overwritten.
69	* PowerTrio: Ben, Johnny and Alici. This was carried over into the ComicBook/MarvelComics2 universe with Ben, Johnny and Lyja).
70	* SacredFlames: In issue #260, Doctor Doom gets his body obliterated during a fight between Tyros The Terrible and the Silver Surfer. Doom's mind resides in the body of a bystander, who now uses "Gypsy magic" and the "Flames of Falroth" in his Latverian castle to try and reconstruct his mortal body. When these sacred flames cannot undo the disintegration, they summon The Beyonder instead. It's an awkward moment, having recently returned from ''ComicBook/SecretWars1984''.
71	* {{Tyrannicide}}: Issue #247 has [[Characters/MarvelComicsDoctorDoom Doctor Doom]] bring the Fantastic Four to his homeland to show them how Prince Zorba has reduced Latveria to a CrapsackWorld where its people live in misery and fear. While the Four battle war-class Doombots, Doom seeks out Zorba and confronts him about his tyranny.
72	-->'''Prince Zorba''': So long as I live, you have no claim to the throne!\
73	'''Doctor Doom''': [[ImpliedDeathThreat Precisely]].
74	* ThatManIsDead: In Issue #284, when Sue gives a speech about her newfound maturity at the end:
75	-->'''Sue:''' There is no '''''Invisible Girl''''' anymore, Reed. She '''''died''''' when the Psycho-Man [[MindRape twisted her soul]].
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78	[[folder:Tom DeFalco's run]]
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80	[[caption-width-right:350:[[{{Stripperiffic}} Sexually-revealing suits]]? Check. {{BFG}}? Check. CivvieSpandex? Check. [[MalevolentMaskedMen Ominous mask]]? Check. "Special issue" in a number that has nothing special? Check. Welcome to the 1990s!]]
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82	With the departure of Creator/WaltSimonson in 1991 following a brief but popular run writing (and sometimes drawing) the ComicBook/FantasticFour comic, Marvel's editor-in-chief Creator/TomDeFalco stepped up to the plate as his replacement. He was joined by artist and occasional co-plotter Paul Ryan, a longtime Marvel employee who had previously enjoyed well-received runs pencilling ComicBook/TheAvengers, ComicBook/WestCoastAvengers and Creator/MarkGruenwald's limited series ComicBook/SquadronSupreme.
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84	Together, they were going to bring Marvel's First Family into the 1990s. For better or worse, they succeeded.
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86	Running for around 60 issues (FF #356 - 416) from 1991 to 1996, the [=DeFalco=]/Ryan era represents one of the longest for a single creative team on the Fantastic Four comic, surpassed only by the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby run in the 1960s and equalled by the Creator/JohnByrne run in the early 1980s. Although it achieved some of the title's best sales since its Silver Age heyday, it was divisive in its time and remains so even now, with its infamous [[MediaNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks Dark Age]] trappings serving as ready targets of fan mockery.
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88	Some of the notable features of this run include:
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90	* Retconning Johnny Storm's marriage to Alicia Masters from the preceding Roger Stern and Steve Englehart runs (in his very first story!) and revealing that she was actually a Skrull infiltrator named Lyja and the real Alicia had been a Skrull prisoner since before her romance with Johnny began.
91	* Aging-up Reed and Sue's young son, Franklin, into a TotallyRadical leather-jacketed early 90s teenager with an armoured costume and the codename "Psi-Lord" (he even had a short-lived spin-off super-team called "Fantastic Force").
92	* Some rather questionable character design choices, of which Sue's ''infamous'' "4"-shaped boob window is only the most notorious; others include Reed's safari jacket and Ben's metal mask, which he donned to hide the scar inflicted when his face was slashed by Wolverine.
93	* Revisiting the "greatest hits" of the preceding John Byrne, Steve Englehart and Walter Simonson eras, bringing back both Sue's "Malice, Mistress of Hate" identity and Aron the Renegade Watcher and reforming the New Fantastic Four (Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, Wolverine and the Hulk).
94	* Killing off both Reed Richards ''and'' Doctor Doom and then ''keeping'' them killed off for two years straight before bringing them back shortly before [=DeFalco=] departed the book, when they were revealed to have been exiled to the distant past by a villain called Hyperstorm, [[TangledFamilyTree the alternate future son of Franklin Richards and Rachel Summers (the second Phoenix) from the future seen in the X-Men story]] "ComicBook/DaysOfFuturePast" (phew!).
95	* Expanding the regular supporting cast to what was then the greatest extent it had been, bringing in Namor, Scott Lang, Lyja, Nathaniel Richards (Reed's father, previously revealed to have become the leader of Earth in a dystopian future), She-Hulk, Kristoff Vernard and others.
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97	Perhaps the most famous story from this era is "Nobody Gets Out Alive", in which the team travels across different timelines looking for the time-displaced Reed and comes into conflict with a powerful villain called the Dark Raider, an alternate Reed Richards who was driven mad by the loss of his family and took to travelling across dimensions killing every version of Reed Richards he can find.
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99	Ultimately, the book's sales declined towards the middle of the decade (coinciding with the MediaNotes/TheGreatComicsCrashOf1996 contraction of the American comic book industry more generally, and around the time [=DeFalco=] had stepped down from the editor-in-chief) and the decision was made to reboot the team as part of the ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' storyline, with the FF, along with the Avengers, written into a crossover with the X-Men which saw the team removed from the main Earth-616 continuity in a battle with the villain Onslaught. Precisely how much foreknowledge the creative team had of this is ambiguous: [=DeFalco=] clearly had plans to keep writing into 1996 (see AbortedArc, below) while Ryan only learned that he was being replaced by Creator/JimLee via the Internet!
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101	Mocked though it may be, the [=DeFalco=] run ''does'' have fans who admire its consistency, attempts to strike a balance between the prevailing trends of the time and the FF's "old school" nature and the expansion of the cast to encompass more of the FF's extended family (while other fans [[SoBadItsGood enjoy the incongruity]] of ''the'' Marvel team of the Silver Age donning the DarkerAndEdgier trappings of comics in TheNineties). Likewise, Paul Ryan's art and talent for visual storytelling remain very well-regarded, even among detractors of [=DeFalco=]'s writing.
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103	* AbortedArc:
104	** The FF find some LostTechnology in the jungle that turns people into "The Thing" soldiers and back. Works for Ben, and for anyone else just as fine. After his return, Reed is worried about a detail everybody overlooked: who built that thing? Alas, Defalco's run ended, the FF died fighting Onslaught, were recreated in another universe, then returned... meanwhile the Baxter Building was handed over to the Thunderbolts, until Zemo blew it up. By then, the machine was lost and Ben returned to his usual status.
105	** One very obvious one appeared right at the end of the run, when Cassie Lang, Franklin Richards (restored to his more familiar age) and Kristoff Vernard meet a classmate of Cassie's who is evidently being beaten by his father and lashes out when they attempt to help him; clearly a VerySpecialEpisode about abuse was in the offing, but then an issue or two before the book was rebooted, Kristoff and Franklin ask Cassie about the classmate and she explains that the problem had been resolved off-panel and his family were in counselling.
106	* ActuallyADoombot: Alicia, who got married with Johnny, turned out to be a Skrull. And the real Alicia still loves Ben, allowing Johnny to be single again.
107	* TheAtoner: Wolverine scarred Ben's face with his claws during a fight. He called him to a bar at a later issue, to try to make amends.
108	* TheBabyTrap: When she was first outed, Lyja claimed that she was carrying Johnny's baby. Reed doubted it, he thought it unlikely that humans and Skrulls could breed. And, before dying, she confessed that it was a lie. When she returned, the baby subplot resumed... and yes, it turned out to be a lie (though it would later turn out that Skrulls and humans ''can'' have kids. Just not this time).
109	* BerserkButton: The FF go to the Skrull world to rescue the real Alicia. Johnny gets enraged when he sees Lyja among the crew... and with a FF suit to boot!
110	* BreakOutTheMuseumPiece: Where did Ben get the mask? He was in the Watcher's house, which has a museum. One of the exhibits involved Ben using a mask similar to one he only wore for a few moments when the FF first donned costumes. So he took the mask from it.
111	* ExactWords: In one of his time travel jaunts, Nathaniel fell into the European past, among some gypsies, and had sex with one of them. His other son, he said, was the legitimate ruler of Latveria! Sue is thunderstuck: Reed and Doom are brothers? [[spoiler:No, he wasn't talking about Doom. He was talking about Kristoff, heir to the throne now that Doom is dead.]]
112	* DeathIsCheap: Shortly before his run came to an end, [=DeFalco=] revived Reed and Doom.
113	* {{Depower}}: Sharon Ventura, previously mutated into She-Thing, returns looking significantly less She-Thing-y. Turns out she got some help from Doctor Doom.
114	* FacialHorror: The Thing gets his face sliced up by Wolverine and for a while he sports a helmet and later a scar until Hyperstorm reverses the damage.
115	* FightingYourFriend: After Johnny torches an entire university campus, Silver Sable and the Wild Pack go after him, and she tries getting Spider-Man in on that. Spidey points out that Johnny is his friend, and Sable's response is basically "so?" Instead, Spider-Man gathers up the All-New Fantastic Four to try talking Johnny down, and the predictable happens.
116	* TheHeroDies: Reed Richards is killed by Dr. Doom. The Fantastic Four have to go on without him. Of course, he gets better eventually.
117	* IdiotBall: Spider-Man brings Wolverine in on his team to try and talk a rogue Johnny down. You know, Wolverine, the man with the unbreakable metal claws, bad attitude and tendency to go into berserk rages. ''Somehow'', this decision ends with Wolverine going into a berserk rage and slicing Ben's face up.
118	* InLoveWithTheMark: Lyja had been sent to impersonate Alicia to woo the Thing. As fate would have it, this happened right when the ''Secret Wars'' event had Ben leaving the team for a time. Lyja thus shifted her plan to seduce Johnny instead, only to fall in love with him for real.
119	* MostCommonSuperpower: For a time, the Invisible Woman wore a skimpy costume with a cut-out "4" on her cleavage.
120	* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Johnny comes under attack from Lyja, Paibok and Devos, so he uses his nova attack. Too bad he was at college at the time.
121	* OtherworldlyVisitsYoungestFirst: In the build-up to the Onslaught story, Franklin Richards was visited by his "imaginary friend", Charlie. Charlie was a manifestation of Onslaught, who was, initially, gestating in the brain and body of Charles Xavier. Eventually, the entire Marvel Universe would be reeling from just how real he was.
122	* PointOfDivergence: The Fantastic "Three" visit a world where 'ComicBook/TheComingOfGalactus'' took place with a small alteration. Instead of sending Johnny to retrieve the Ultimate Nullifier, the Watcher sent Reed. Reed got distracted by all the science-defying amazing gizmos around, instead of going straight to the needed one, and came back too late. Galactus killed the Silver Surfer[[note]]he was about to do that in the original story, before being interrupted[[/note]], dispatched the F3, and consumed the planet.
123	* {{Retcon}}: One of the biggest ever for the team: The Alicia Masters the Human Torch married was a Skrull imposter and had been ever since the events of ''ComicBook/SecretWars1984''.
124	* SelfDisposingVillain: Subverted. Lyja dies during Alicia's rescue... or not. Paibok rescued her, and she returned to have vengeance!
125	* {{Stripperiffic}}: Sue's infamous "boob window" outfit. It turns out to be Malice trying to reassert control.
126	* TakeThat: A famous moment, and one that got [=DeFalco=] in hot water, was Scott Lang slamming the reviled first season of ''WesternAnimation/FantasticFourTheAnimatedSeries''.
127	* TooDumbToLive: Paibok takes his ally Devos to the Skrull homeworld, to celebrate the capture of the FF. Devos, who wants to destroy '''all''' alien races capable of waging war. Earth and the FF are on that list, yes, but the Skrull homeworld is an even better target. Some minutes later his ship is raining death over the unsuspecting Skrulls.
128	* UnderestimatingBadassery: Somehow the Wild Pack, largely a group of mercenaries with fancy tech, think they can take Johnny Storm, who even on his slower days is a pretty formidable fighter.
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131	%%[[folder:Steve Englehart's run]]
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134	[[folder:Walt Simonson's run]]
135	* CelebrityCasualty: In issue #343, it's revealed that an alternate President UsefulNotes/GeorgeHWBush died of pneumonia.
136	* CovertEmergencyCall: In Issue #348, Mr. Fantastic is secretly being held prisoner by a Skrull infiltrator disguised as Sue. As the leave the Baxter Building together, Reed tells his robotic assistant that he and his wife are going on a day trip and that she should tell that to his "friends in the Marines." The robot, knowing that Reed has no friends that are in the Marines, looks up the phrase, discovering its history as a Covert Distress Code and realises that Reed is in trouble.
137	* DeceptionNoncompliance: In issue #348, Reed Richards is going along seemingly willingly with a Skrull Sue imposter. When he passes by the robot secretary the FF used at the time, he tells her to "tell it to the Marines," which she looks up in an idiom database and discovers it means he's lying.
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