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| 21 | * For CountryMusic as a whole: |
| 22 | ** The "urban cowboy era" of the early '80s is a deeply polarizing one for fans. Named for the 1980 film ''Film/UrbanCowboy'', which gave country a moment in the spotlight beyond just its roots in the rural South, this era saw many people embrace country as a down-home, blue-collar alternative to {{Disco}}... but with this mainstream attention came an increasingly pop-oriented sound and a growing focus on fashion (the Pasadena, UsefulNotes/{{Texas}} honky-tonk Gilley's was a merchandising empire during this time), ironically making it no different from the disco that many fans were [[DiscoSucks rebelling against]]. The fallout from this led to the rise of the [[RevisitingTheRoots neotraditional movement]] in country in the mid-to-late '80s as a backlash, with the tipping point coming with the "Class of '89", a group of highly successful, neotraditional-influenced artists led by Music/GarthBrooks, Music/ClintBlack, and Music/AlanJackson who, upon their breakthroughs in 1989, overturned the '80s pop-country order as thoroughly as the UsefulNotes/{{Seattle}} {{Grunge}} scene did the world of rock two years later. |
| 23 | ** History seemed to repeat in the early-mid 2010s with the rise of "bro-country", a genre characterized by crossovers with HipHop and ElectronicDanceMusic (one of its biggest hits, "Cruise" by Music/FloridaGeorgiaLine, even had Music/{{Nelly}} as a guest artist) not just in the production, but also in the lyrics, which tended towards imitating the worst of 2000s GlamRap with subject matter dominated by [[WildTeenParty spring break]], [[PimpedOutCar big trucks]], [[OdeToIntoxication plentiful liquor]], and beautiful women in tiny shorts. These songs were also extremely samey in tone and sound, to the point where one guy was able to create [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY8SwIvxj8o an almost completely coherent song]] out of random parts of ''six'' different bro-country songs, complete with a Frankenstein's monster of a solo that you can only tell is a hodgepodge because the guitars sound slightly different. By mid-decade, it became a bitter dividing line within country music, its critics seeing it as celebrating loutish behavior, pandering to {{fratbro}} fantasies of [[SweetHomeAlabama life in the rural South]], and marginalizing female country musicians, and late in the decade the pendulum swung back towards more traditional sounds and subject matter. It is generally agreed that the early-2020's marked the end of this period, with a new generation of younger country artists emerging with less overt music industry roots and being able to find a much more tasteful blend of classic country and modern genre inspiration. |
| 24 | * John Anderson hit one that lasted most of TheEighties. After spending the first half of the decade garnering hits such as "Swingin'", "Black Sheep", and "I'm Just an Old Chunk of Coal (But I'm Gonna Be a Diamond Someday)", his career began a slow decline. His 1985 album ''Tokyo, Oklahoma'' fared poorly thanks to bad choices of singles: a cover of "It's All Over Now", and the very un-PC title track, packed with Asian clichés that were tacky even in the 1980s. Another single, "You Can't Keep a Good Memory Down", never made it onto an album, and Creator/WarnerBrosRecords dropped him once his next album ''Countrified'' also bombed. He signed to Creator/{{MCA}} Nashville for two discs, ''Blue Skies Again'' and ''10'', which were equally unsuccessful. The next album, ''Too Tough to Tame'', was supposed to have been released on the then-new Universal imprint (not to be confused with Universal Music Group) in 1989, only to be delayed thanks to that label getting acquired by Creator/CapitolRecords Nashville after less than a year in business. One of the few publications that even noticed the album's release was ''Entertainment Weekly'', whose review of it noted that Anderson spent most of the eighties battling mismanagement and "formulaic records". He had a brief CareerResurrection which lasted from 1992-1995 on BNA Records, where he had his most commercially successful albums ''Seminole Wind'' and ''Solid Ground''. |
| 25 | * Music/DierksBentley had a minor one in 2009 and 2010. His fourth album ''Feel That Fire'', despite selling gold and containing two #1 hits, was met with largely negative critical reception. Many fans and critics alike thought that the album sounded tired and dull, lacking the hooks or country feel of his earlier albums. He then decided to switch things up with the NewSoundAlbum ''Up on the Ridge'', a bluegrass project produced by country and bluegrass artist Jon Randall. Despite considerably better reviews, the album was a total dud, becoming his first not to go gold or produce a top-20 country hit. Thankfully he got back on track with ''Home'', and has largely stayed on top ever since. |
| 26 | * Music/GarthBrooks' ''Music/InTheLifeOfChrisGaines'', an experimental alt-rock album and pre-release soundtrack for a movie that never was, did not go over well with his fandom. Not only was the OutOfGenreExperience unwelcome to his country fans, but taking on a new look and the identity of the title character just made it worse. Even still, while the album bombed, failure is relative. The album itself peaked at #2 on the U.S. charts, went double platinum, and most bizarrely of all, produced Garth's ''only'' trip to the Top 40 of the Hot 100.[[note]]This is because Garth rarely issued physical singles, and during his peak in TheNineties, this made his songs ineligible for the Hot 100.[[/note]] |
| 27 | * Music/BrooksAndDunn have their 1999 ''Tight Rope'' album. Their last album, ''If You See Her'', had ended with a whimper thanks to its last single "South of Santa Fe" being withdrawn after only a few weeks, supposedly because radio programmers were expressing disdain toward a single [[StepUpToTheMicrophone sung by Kix Brooks instead of Ronnie Dunn]] (Kix had sung lead on five previous singles, but every single afterwards was sung by Ronnie, despite the albums retaining a nearly-equal split). They led off ''Tight Rope'' with a lukewarm cover of John Waite's "Missing You" (obviously trying to re-capture the magic of their extremely successful cover of B. W. Stevenson's "My Maria"), which barely squeaked into the Top 20 before plummeting. The same fate befell the next single "Beer Thirty", while third and final single "You'll Always Be Loved by Me" crawled into the Top 5 by the end of 2000. The album was their worst-selling, and was critically panned for sounding tired and weak overall. It was their last album under original producer Don Cook (and one of his last production gigs period), although he only produced half of it; the other half, including all three singles, was produced by Music/TimMcGraw's producer Byron Gallimore, with whom the duo never worked again. The fall was so great that Music/MontgomeryGentry snagged the Duo of the Year awards in 1999 (breaking an eight-year streak where B & D won that award) despite being only two singles into their career at the time. Even the members themselves admitted they were close to breaking up because they felt they had run their course. Fortunately, they bounced back in a big way with ''Steers & Stripes'', whose lead single "Ain't Nothing 'Bout You" became their biggest hit, and maintained success until voluntarily retirement in 2011. ''Tight Rope'' quickly became CanonDiscontinuity, as none of its singles were put on their second GreatestHitsAlbum in 2004 -- even though that album ''did'' include "South of Santa Fe"! |
| 28 | * Music/JohnnyCash went through one in TheEighties, with a series of mostly unmemorable albums and diminishing returns on the country music charts. There was at least one MissingEpisode (''Out Among the Stars'', not released until 2014), and several poorly received singles such as "Chicken in Black". His only #1 hit in the entire decade was as one fourth of the supergroup The Highwaymen. He was also battling addiction around this point, further hampering his music career. The decline culminated in a short stint with Mercury Records, led off by a cheap and haphazard album with re-recordings of his biggest hits. He finally underwent CareerResurrection starting in 1994 with the Music/RickRubin-produced "American Recordings" series of albums, which largely consisted of sparse acoustic covers of rock and pop songs, netting him sales successes even beyond his own 2003 death and introducing him to a new generation of fans despite minimal radio support. |
| 29 | * Music/BobDylan grew tired of being viewed as "the spokesman of a generation", and decided to record the country music album ''Nashville Skyline'' specifically to alienate people who viewed him as such. This continued with ''Self Portrait'' and ''Dylan'', which were popular with critics but sold very poorly. Then Dylan recorded some albums that his original audience liked (including ''Blood on the Tracks''), and then he converted to Christianity and changed his style ''again'', losing most of his original fans over a quarter of a century (and gaining a few back after 1997's ''Time Out of Mind''.) |
| 30 | * Music/FaithHill's ''Cry'' album was a zig-zagged example. While the title track was a #1 hit on the AC charts and won her a MediaNotes/{{Grammy|Award}}, the album's three singles all completely bombed at country radio. The album was also met with largely negative reception for its bombastic pop production and style, leading to accusations that she had sold out. She spent the entirety of 2004 off the charts before returning with 2005's ''Fireflies'', a somewhat better-accepted return to form that included the #1 hit "Mississippi Girl". |
| 31 | * Music/TheKentuckyHeadhunters went through this in most of TheNineties. Although their second album ''Electric Barnyard'' was fairly well-received by critics, its singles underperformed (probably not helped by the fact that the lead single was a cover of "The Ballad of Davy Crockett"). After this album's cycle, brothers Ricky Lee and Doug Phelps (then the lead singer and bassist, respectively) quit over CreativeDifferences and formed the LighterAndSofter duo Brother Phelps. Taking their places were new lead singer Mark S. Orr and bassist Anthony Kenney (who had played in a prior incarnation of the band in TheSeventies). The first album with Orr, ''Rave On!!'', was trashed by critics and fans alike due to Orr's style not fitting the band at all. After the band cut a collaboration with blues pianist Jimmie Johnson, Orr quit and Doug rejoined to take his brother's former role as lead singer. The first album with him on lead vocals, ''Stompin' Grounds'' in 1997, was also panned for its strangely subdued and mainstream sound relative to their more boisterous prior albums. However, they finally got back on track stylistically with ''Songs from the Grass String Ranch'' in 2000 and, despite radio having long since left them behind, they've continued to record well into TheNewTens. |
| 32 | * Music/LadyAntebellum went through this with their third album ''Own the Night''. It started off strong due to the buzz of lead single "Just a Kiss", but that buzz failed to last -- the album was largely seen as sleepy and monotone. The next two albums were better received from a critical standpoint due in part to a change of producers, but single reception was more mixed and sales were far below the norm (''747'', their fifth, didn't even get halfway to gold). After this, the band went on hiatus, and lead singers Charles Kelley and Hillary Scott released {{Solo Side Project}}s. They reunited in 2017 for a new album titled ''Heart Break'', which also saw another new producer, but its two singles were seen as SoOkayItsAverage and sales topped off at a pitiful 166,000.\ |
| 33 | This culminated with the band exiting Creator/CapitolRecords in September 2018 and signing to Creator/BigMachineRecords. Their first album for the label, ''Ocean'', seemed poised to get them back into good graces. ''Then'' came summer 2020, when in the wake of the George Floyd protests, they officially shortened their name to Lady A. This caught the attention of a Seattle-based African American blues singer who also performs under the name "Lady A"; she accused the band of social privilege, and while they initially seemed to be working toward a compromise, the band's lawyers instead chose to file a lawsuit against the singer. |
| 34 | * Music/{{Lonestar}} went into one around the first decade of the 21st century. After their 1999 smash hit "Amazed" became the first song since 1983 to top both the country and Hot 100 charts, the label pushed for more bombastic pop ballads of its ilk, and added more sentimental fare to the mix after 2001's "I'm Already There" was almost as big a hit. This resulted in what had formerly been a hot honky-tonk influenced country band getting pushed into a combination of [[SweetnessAversion sappy "soccer mom" fare]] and bombastic, poppy, string-drenched {{Power Ballad}}s, codifying RecordProducer Dann Huff's affinity for the LoudnessWar. The audience-alienating era is widely considered to have started anywhere between the release of "Amazed" and the release of their 2003 GreatestHitsAlbum, after which their singles started to perform worse and worse on the charts. They left their label in 2006 and lead singer Richie [=McDonald=] quit soon afterward. The nadir was ''Party Heard Around the World'', an independently released album which found the band doing the same mushy fare as before, only with the much weaker-voiced Cody Collins taking Richie's place. Although Richie came back in 2011, the next two albums were quietly released on small independent labels and made absolutely no noise at radio. |
| 35 | * Music/RascalFlatts entered one lasting from about 2005 to 2010, covering the albums ''Me and My Gang'', ''Still Feels Good'', and ''Unstoppable''. While ''Me and My Gang'' lead single "What Hurts the Most" is one of their [[SignatureSong most famous]] and beloved songs, most of the other singles off these albums were heavily panned as either [[LoudnessWar bombastic and hideously overproduced]] {{Power Ballad}}s (a sound forced on them by Dann Huff, the same producer who had previously done likewise with Music/{{Lonestar}}), or extremely forced up-tempos like "Me and My Gang", "Summer Nights", or "Bob That Head" (their first single not to hit top 10, and widely considered their worst overall due to both AccidentalInnuendo and an ear-splitting CarefulWithThatAxe intro). Making matters worse was the fact that the bloated production forced lead singer Gary [=LeVox=] to undergo a particularly nasty VocalEvolution into a ridiculously high-pitched nasal screech with excessive amounts of {{melisma|ticvocals}}. After Lyric Street closed in 2010, they moved to Big Machine Records, where an interesting pattern started to form. ''Nothing Like This'' and ''Changed'' were seen as generally stronger albums despite Huff staying behind the boards, and they finally abandoned him in favor of self-production on ''Rewind'' and ''Back to Us''. While the Big Machine albums are generally seen as stronger overall, the band has seen diminishing returns at radio due to newer acts overtaking them in popularity (ironically including Music/LadyAntebellum and Music/ZacBrownBand, both of whom are on this page as well). This culminated in the second single from ''Back to Us'' being their first song to miss the country Top 40 entirely. |
| 36 | * Sawyer Brown seemed to go through this at the end of the 1980s during their tenure on Creator/CapitolRecords. After scoring a few country hits with the likes of "Step That Step", "Betty's Bein' Bad", and "This Missin' You Heart of Mine", their momentum tapered off around the release of ''Wide Open'' in 1988. The next few albums they put out were largely derided by critics and fans for containing lightweight fluffy songs with dated production, with only a couple exceptions (most prominently a cover of Music/GeorgeJones' "The Race Is On" and the Christmas single "It Wasn't His Child"). The nadir was 1991's ''Buick'', their first album not to contain a top 40 hit on the country charts. Some critics completely tore the album apart for being slick pop-rock with no country influence, and shallow lyrics about cars and girls. Their contract with Capitol ended one disc later with ''The Dirt Road'', which signaled a shift to stronger and more traditional country material, as exemplified by "The Walk" (a carryover from ''Buick''). Only seven months later, they moved to Curb Records and began working with songwriter/producer Mac [=McAnally=], who continued to refine them with [[GrowingTheBeard much stronger, more mature songs]] and impeccable production work that not only brought them out of their Audience-Alienating Era, but also produced some of the most popular and enduring songs of their career such as "All These Years" and "Cafe on the Corner". |
| 37 | * Music/RandyTravis had a couple minor examples. First was his 1990 disc ''Heroes & Friends'', an album composed almost entirely of duets with a wide variety of artists, ranging from country stalwarts like Music/DollyParton and Music/GeorgeJones, to some very oddball picks like Music/BBKing and Creator/ClintEastwood. The album was largely panned for weak performances and songwriting, and while it sold platinum, it became his first album not to have a #1 country single. After getting back to form with ''High Lonesome'' and three new songs off a pair of {{greatest hits album}}s, he did ''Wind in the Wire'' in 1993. This album was a Western-themed one-off for a short lived TV series of the same name, and his first album not to be produced by Kyle Lehning. The singles completely bombed at radio (at least in the US — "Cowboy Boogie" went to #10 on the Canadian country music charts), and reviews were generally worse than of the duets album. A label exec at Creator/WarnerBrosRecords even referred to that particular album as an "angst period". While his commercial success dwindled throughout the decade, he did at least return to form stylistically with subsequent albums. |
| 38 | * Music/KeithUrban seems to have been in a minor one that's lasted most of TheNewTens. Starting with 2009's ''Defying Gravity'', it seemed that he was letting his 2006 marriage to Creator/NicoleKidman inform his material, as both that album and ''Get Closer'' a year later were dominated by LighterAndSofter SillyLoveSongs such as "Kiss a Girl" and the ClicheStorm "Without You"; ''Get Closer'' was also derided by some for [[ItsShortSoItSucks only having eight average-length songs on it]]. He seemed to get a free pass with ''Fuse'' which, despite being a NewSoundAlbum with a heavier pop influence, curried favor with most thanks to strong songs such as "Raise 'em Up" and "Cop Car". While critical reception was more split on followup ''Ripcord'' due to the continued use of pop-styled production, all five singles performed fantastically on the country charts and sold gold or higher (in particular, "Blue Ain't Your Color" became his longest-lasting #1 hit and best-selling single to date), creating a degree of CriticalDissonance. ''Then'' came 2018's ''Graffiti U'', which started off completely on the wrong foot with lead single "Female". While the zeitgeist certainly called for a country song in support of women, the [[DontShootTheMessage execution left something to be desired]]. "Female" was instantly savaged by nearly everyone for its awkward, clumsy laundry-list lyrics that felt more like "mansplaining" than actually respecting women, to the point that several publications and even ''Series/TheLateShowWithStephenColbert'' mocked it. As a result, the song [[BrokenWinLossStreak ended a streak of 37 straight Top 10 hits for Urban]]. The project's second single, "Coming Home", was met with equal derision for its ClicheStorm lyrics of escaping the city to move back to the country; its overbearingly synthpop production style that makes ''Ripcord'' sound downright traditional in comparison; a poorly-executed sample of Music/MerleHaggard's "Mama Tried" which in no way fits the song's context. The song has also been savaged for a highly unnecessary duet vocal from obscure pop singer Julia Michaels -- not helped by the fact that the genre had become inundated with forced duets from obscure female pop vocalists, instead of showing support to up-and-coming females who actually perform within the genre. |
| 39 | * Music/NeilYoung's early-mid '80s output, especially the album ''Trans''. He was fed up with David Geffen and wanted out of his contract, so he got more experimental with his music. Geffen in return sued him for those albums being "not commercial" and "musically uncharacteristic of previous recordings." His 1988 reunion album with Music/CrosbyStillsNashAndYoung, ''American Dream'', turned out to be disappointing as well. Critics called it overproduced and unfocused, [[CreatorBacklash which pretty much all the members agreed was true in hindsight]]. Neil wouldn't really bounce back until the '90s when he started producing hard rock again with bands like Music/PearlJam and became something of an honored elder-statesman of rock and folk. |
| 40 | * The Music/ZacBrownBand seemed to fall into one starting in 2016. Their fourth album ''Jekyll + Hyde'' started off strongly with the #1 hits "Homegrown" and "Loving You Easy", but the album was divisive among critics and fans due to its GenreRoulette nature. This was not helped by the fact that the hard-rock Music/ChrisCornell collab "Heavy Is the Head" [[BlackSheepHit went to #1 on the Mainstream Rock charts.]] However, the true catalyst was "Beautiful Drug", which was met with initial resistance at country radio due to its electronica-influenced sound, to the point that the band sent out a [[RearrangeTheSong more country-sounding remix]]. While the song got to #1 anyway, it led to further concerns that ZBB were straying from country, particularly since Zac was featured on an Music/{{Avicii}} song around the same time.\ |
| 41 | But the Audience-Alienating Era really set in with ''Welcome Home'', for which they enlisted producer Dave Cobb. Lead single "My Old Man", despite positive critical and fan reception, stalled out at #14 on the Country Airplay charts due to it being a slow somber ballad. Although ''Welcome Home'' topped the Country Albums chart, sales topped off at 300,000, and critics thought that its lyrical and sonic themes were a backhanded apology for ''Jekyll + Hyde'' and/or a forced attempt at "authenticity". The album accounted for only one other single in "Roots", which inexplicably had half of the lyrics removed from the radio edit and thus failed at radio. Brown started an EDM-influenced side project in 2017 called Sir Rosevelt; their lone album was ravaged and its failure led to further accusations that the ZBB was selling out. Completing the downfall was Brown's self-released 2019 solo album ''The Controversy'', which continued in much of the same EDM influence as Sir Rosevelt and even bore an explicit content warning. Ironically, this got entangled in controversy when Zac sued Music/ShawnMendes over co-writing credits on the lead single "Nowhere Left to Go", causing it to be temporarily pulled from retailers.\ |
| 42 | The negative reception of Sir Rosevelt carried over to ZBB's 2019 album ''The Owl'', which continued largely in the same direction; one does not expect names like Shawn Mendes, Music/{{Skrillex}}, and Max Martin to be on a country album, nor for a band of forty-something country men to include chat speak in their lyrics. ''The Owl'' likewise bombed critically and commercially, its sales less than half of its predecessor and its lead single barely scraping top 40. They finally got another #1 hit in 2021 with "Same Boat", and the subsequent album ''The Comeback'' managed to regain some of the goodwill they lost with ''The Owl''. |
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| 46 | * On the whole, exactly what constitutes an Audience-Alienating Era for HeavyMetal as a genre is the subject of some of the most bitter {{Flame War}}s in music fandom. While it's generally agreed that metal from TheSeventies and the early '80s is near-untouchable, after that one is wading into dangerous territory, with each period of metal having both its diehard fans and its furious haters. |
| 47 | ** Even metal from the '70s isn't ''quite'' untouchable. The general consensus on the mid-'70s is that the genre grew stagnant, as Music/BlackSabbath crumbled due to its members' drug use while the market was saturated with mediocre FollowTheLeader acts who seemed to just be playing contemporary rock music at a louder volume. PunkRock seemed to offer everything that metal used to... and so, in the late '70s, a number of British metal artists decided to combine metal with punk. [[NewWaveOfBritishHeavyMetal The rest is history.]] |
| 48 | ** For a long time, the mid-late '80s HairMetal boom was seen as this. Remembered as the time when metal "went pop", bands from this era were seen as sacrificing depth and complexity for [[SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll empty hedonism]] and radio[=/=]Creator/{{MTV}}[=-=]friendly {{Power Ballad}}s. Backlash against the excesses of hair metal fueled the rise of the far more gritty and subdued {{Grunge}} bands in the early '90s. More recently, however, the [[NostalgiaFilter '80s nostalgia wave]] has caused [[PopularityPolynomial a reappraisal of the genre]], with numerous rock stars from the era recognized as better musicians than many people gave them credit for. It's still generally agreed that [[EightiesHair the fashions]] were ridiculous, though, even if they have developed some {{Camp}} appeal since then. |
| 49 | ** HairMetal has its own Audience-Alienating Era between 1995 and 1999. Many of the bands from that genre (Music/{{Warrant}} and Music/{{Dokken}} were probably the most blatant) attempted to fit in to the Grunge scene by writing DarkerAndEdgier lyrics and Grunge-inspired music (though some bands like Music/MotleyCrue (see below) and [[Music/WASPBand WASP]] attempted an industrial sound). It didn't get them any more fans since the Grunge audience saw it as a blatant example of trying too hard to stay relevant and it turned off the fans who still liked the bands since it was too drastic of a change. By [[{{Turn of the Millennium}} the 2000s]], most of them went back to their older sound. |
| 50 | ** The first half of TheNineties is arguably the most generally agreed-upon Audience-Alienating Era, at least in terms of metal's mainstream success, especially in the UsefulNotes/UnitedStates. The genre was neck-deep in the hangover from the collapse of HairMetal, and many of the biggest bands from TheEighties were either breaking up or falling into their own Audience-Alienating Eras, several of which are described below. While there were still plenty of great metal bands if one knew where to look, not many actually broke through and had crossover hits, and most of those that did were AlternativeMetal bands that were linked to the booming {{Grunge}} scene. ThrashMetal bucked the trend and reached the peak of its popularity during this time, but at the cost of many fans feeling that the bands had sold out in order to do so, even paving the way for the below-mentioned NuMetal. Otherwise, for much of the early-mid '90s the genre practically vanished from the attention of mainstream rock fans. It's a different story outside the US, however, with the early '90s remembered as a Golden Age for European (especially Scandinavian) DeathMetal and BlackMetal. |
| 51 | ** The late '90s and early '00s, meanwhile, saw the rise of NuMetal. At the time, nu metal catapulted the genre back into the spotlight with a far more aggressive style than either grunge or hair metal had, but before long, it came to be seen as a mess of adolescent {{wangst}}, [[TheNewRockAndRoll shock tactics]], and [[TestosteronePoisoning phony machismo]], to the point where even many musicians and bands that played in or were otherwise associated with the genre (an admittedly nebulous one) came to reject any association with it. It didn't help that many bands [[NewSoundAlbum changed their style]] in order to jump onto the popular new sound, leading to many accusations of [[SellOut selling out]]. [[https://www.decibelmagazine.com/2015/08/13/they-did-it-all-for-the-nookie-decibel-explores-the-rise-and-fall-of-nu-metal/ This article]] by Shane Mehling for ''Decibel'' goes into more detail on the genre's rise, peak/nadir, and fall, referring to the late '90s as a time when it seemed as though, no matter where one looked, quality in the metal genre was going to pot and the influence of nu metal was creeping everywhere. That said, some bands from this time have seen their reputations improve with age, though nu metal as a genre hasn't ''quite'' recovered the same way that hair metal has. |
| 52 | ** After that, you will find fans arguing for any subgenre, sound, or period of time as an Audience-Alienating Era, from the rise of {{Metalcore}} and {{Deathcore}} to the widespread use of synthesizers. Get a group of metal fans in a room, and a third will tell you that the genre is in an Audience-Alienating Era right now, another third will tell you that it's in a Golden Age, and the last third will tell everybody to just shut up and enjoy whatever they listen to. |
| 53 | * Music/{{Aborted}} went through a major one of these from 2005 to 2010. It started with ''The Archaic Abattoir'', which, due to its prominent metalcore influences, was fairly polarizing overall; some fans saw it as a unique new twist on their established sound and applauded them for not trying to make ''Goremageddon'' 2.0, while others ''hated'' it and saw it as a sign of worse things to come. It was around this time that the band also started experiencing a truly jawdropping amount of lineup changes, and 2007's ''Slaughter & Apparatus: A Methodical Overture'', which was even more polarizing, failed to win back the fans alienated by the previous album. 2008's ''Strychnine.213'' wound up being the nadir of their career, with its deathcore overtones, anemic riffing, overblown and out-of-place Dimebag/Wylde-aping guitar solos, and Sven's bored-sounding and phoned-in vocal performances leading to a universally despised final product (the band [[OldShame hated it just as much]]). They didn't really emerge from this slump until Sven fired the entire band, hired back Dirk Verbeuren, welcomed in an all-new string section, and released the ''Coronary Reconstruction'' EP in 2010, and even then, lingering bits of the band's notorious proclivity towards unstable lineups remained when Ken Sorceron was fired in 2011 after a falling-out with Sven, followed by the firing of Eran Segal (the other new guitarist) and Mike Wilson (Sorceron's replacement) in 2012 for similar reasons. |
| 54 | * Music/{{Anthrax}} during the '90s. On the one hand, some of the band's most critically acclaimed material and mainstream success occurred during the period, including their famous collaborative version of "Bring The Noise" with Music/PublicEnemy, which is frequently credited for inventing RapMetal. On the other hand, many fans still look poorly on the band's more grunge-influenced material, and on John Bush of Music/ArmoredSaint, who replaced longtime singer Joey Belladonna during this period. |
| 55 | * Music/BlackSabbath went through an Audience-Alienating Era in the last half of TheSeventies, with their two last albums with Ozzy being mediocre after a run of six mind-blowingly awesome albums. Music/RonnieJamesDio saved them from that, but he left after two albums. Ian Gillan hopped onboard for a decent album, then various more lineups got assembled, that nobody can agree which one is good and which one's an audience-alienating era. |
| 56 | * Music/AliceCooper has a few eras that could qualify, having played in many styles to many audiences, but none are as reviled as the transition he made in 1980: he completed his long transition from hard rock and switched to new wave. Worse, he abandoned his [[LooksLikeCesare famous eye makeup]], cut his hair, and developed a more androgynous image inspired by ''Film/AClockworkOrange''. The new style alienated his remaining fanbase and the four albums he made in this period performed poorly. It took six years (three of them spent in retirement sobering up) before he went back to his hard rock roots and image to great success. |
| 57 | * Many have come to regard ''Cold Lake'', Music/CelticFrost's one-off shot at HairMetal, to be synonymous with "total fucking disaster", though it does have its defenders. |
| 58 | * Listening to ''Digimortal'' can be a very, very weird experience, especially to one familiar with Music/FearFactory's classic body of work. It's another thing when a band like Music/{{Megadeth}} attempts to incorporate pop music into their sound; when a band that has built themselves purely on amelodically brutal TestosteronePoisoning tries it, well, "forced" doesn't even begin to describe the end result. Unsurprisingly, the band were thrown into a TenMinuteRetirement, and while their work since their reunion has been [[WinBackTheCrowd well-received]], many fans still feel that their best days are behind them. |
| 59 | * For Music/{{Helloween}}, it was the period between Kai Hansen's departure (after ''Keeper of the Seven Keys Pt. 2'') and Andi Deris's arrival (before ''Master of the Rings''). This period comprises the Michael Kiske-fronted albums ''Pink Bubbles Go Ape'' and ''Chameleon'', which left the band near dissolution. |
| 60 | * During the mid-late '90s, Music/InFlames were seen as the definitive melodic death metal band, successfully mixing growled death metal vocals with melodic guitar riffs and even Middle Eastern-styled acoustic melodies. While the band was gradually moving away from their traditional melo-death style since 1999's ''Colony'', it was 2002's ''Reroute To Remain'' that officially marked the beginning of their Audience-Alienating Era, thanks to its NuMetal influence, simplified songwriting, and greater reliance on clean singing. The album even went so far as to include a ''folksy country rock song'' that bore little resemblance to anything the band had ever done up to that point. The band was believed to have dropped the ultimate bomb, however, with 2004's ''The Soundtrack To Your Escape'', an album that continued the nu-metal sound of ''Reroute to Remain'', contained even more clean singing than the last, relied heavily on synth leads, and was notably devoid of guitar solos. Fortunately, the band regained a fair amount of credibility with 2006's harder and more traditional-sounding ''Come Clarity'' and remained pretty consistent until 2014's ''Siren Charms'', which many consider to be an even worse album than ''Soundtrack to Your Escape''. |
| 61 | * Music/IronMaiden helmed by Blaze Bayley. The band continued to write good material during this time (some songs from those albums remained in the setlist after he left), and Blaze is a fine singer on his own. But, because of the difference in vocal range (Blaze is a baritone, whereas Bruce Dickinson is a tenor, which is more usual for metal vocalists), he had a hard time performing the band's earlier material live. A few fans add the two albums before as well, as they lacked guitarist Adrian Smith and had some subpar material and attempts on DarkerAndEdgier (such as raspier vocals) that didn't sit well with them. |
| 62 | * Similarly, Music/JudasPriest with [[ReplacementScrappy Tim Owens]] on vocals. Their 1997 album ''Jugulator'' was largely panned by fans for having [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks downtuned guitars]] and subpar vocals (although it did contain the UsefulNotes/{{Grammy|Awards}}[=-=]nominated song "Bullet Train"). 2001's ''Demolition'', meanwhile, was criticized for pandering to the NuMetal trend of the era. The band at least partially regained credibility in 2003 with the return of Rob Halford and the release of ''Angel Of Retribution'' two years later. |
| 63 | * Music/{{KMFDM}} tried to break away from its long history by switching record labels and changing their name to MDFMK. While the "new" band's album was well received, fans were incensed that they refused to play any of their old songs in concert. The band relented, going back to their old name and playing selections from their entire catalog. |
| 64 | * Music/{{Korn}} had one that lasted a decade: |
| 65 | ** Their 2003 album ''Take a Look in the Mirror'' didn't fare well with fans and critics despite "Did My Time" being the band's highest charting single in their home country. Fans felt that the album was too rushed as it came out a year after the band's acclaimed ''Untouchables'' and didn't help that it came out around the same year as fellow NuMetal band Music/LimpBizkit's ''Results May Vary'', which [[GenreKiller derailed the popularity]] of the genre. The band themselves [[CreatorBacklash admitted]] it's their least favourite album in addition to being the last recorded by the band's original lineup as guitarist Brian "Head" Welch quit in 2005, as well as their last for Creator/EpicRecords. |
| 66 | ** While the band's first album as a quartet, ''See You on the Other Side'' received a better reception than ''Mirror'' due to its DarkerAndEdgier sound, the following untitled eighth album, their only album as a trio due to drummer David Silveria's departure, received a lukewarm reception from critics and fans despite charting higher than ''Other Side''. |
| 67 | ** The untitled album's followups ''Korn III: Remember Who You Are'' (the band's first with current drummer Ray Luzier) and ''The Path of Totality'' were criticised for being a failed RevisitingTheRoots album, despite the return of Ross Robinson and for being an attempt in staying relevant by being a NewSoundAlbum rooted in {{dubstep}} respectively, with the latter becoming the band's least performing album worldwide. |
| 68 | ** Fortunately, the audience-alienating era ended in 2013 with Head's return and ''The Paradigm Shift'' proved to be a CareerResurrection for them along with ''The Serenity of Suffering'' being the band's highest charting album since ''Untouchables''. |
| 69 | * Music/LinkinPark: |
| 70 | ** In the late '00s, the band almost fully abandoned [[RapMetal their use of rapping and turntables]] on the albums ''Music/MinutesToMidnight'' in 2007, which incorporated more ArenaRock influences in the vein of Music/{{U2}}, and ''Music/AThousandSuns'' in 2010, an electronic-infused ConceptAlbum about nuclear war. To be fair, the band probably needed to change their style to stay in the spotlight after the collapse of NuMetal in the mid-'00s, and their new sound helped them score a pair of soundtrack hits with "What I've Done" and "New Divide" for the first two ''Film/{{Transformers|FilmSeries}}'' films. However, these two albums proved highly polarizing with the experimental direction they took with their sound and themes; while some fans saw them as a welcome evolution, others derided it as a {{sellout}}. The band returned to familiar territory with ''Music/LivingThings'' in 2012 and ''Music/{{The Hunting Party|2014}}'' in 2014, which, despite their incorporation of mainstream EDM influences, helped WinBackTheCrowd for many disillusioned fans... |
| 71 | ** ...at least, until ''Music/OneMoreLight'' in 2017 saw the band jump fully into electronic pop-rock. Whereas ''Minutes to Midnight'' and ''A Thousand Suns'' both had their supporters among critics, ''One More Light'' received a scathing reception right out of the gate, with many fans declaring it a new Audience-Alienating Era from the moment they heard the lead-off single "Heavy" featuring pop singer Music/{{Kiiara}}. Sadly, the negative response to ''One More Light'', which frontman Chester Bennington [[DearNegativeReader did not take well]], may have played a role in [[DrivenToSuicide his suicide]] in July of that year. Ironically, said suicide has caused something of a reappraisal of the album, particularly its title track, which, despite not being about suicide (it was a tribute to a longtime friend of theirs at Creator/WarnerBrosRecords who had died of cancer), was widely reinterpreted by both fans and the band itself due to its HarsherInHindsight lyrics. |
| 72 | * Poor, poor Music/MachineHead. In the mid '90s, they were one of the pioneers of the "post-thrash" sound that defined underground American metal during the decade along with Music/{{Pantera}}, Fear Factory, Music/{{Sepultura}}, Music/{{Biohazard}}, ''Life of Agony,'' and many others. While other bands were emphasizing influences such as {{Industrial}}, {{Funk|Metal}}, {{Hardcore}}, and {{Grunge}}, Machine Head's sound was planted ''firmly'' in {{Thrash|Metal}}, yet still sounding both modern ''and'' timeless. Until 1999's ''The Burning Red'', which showcased a ''drastic'' shift into NuMetal on both an aural and [[ImportantHaircut visual]] level, and the quality of songwiting suffered greatly from the creative dissonance involved. [[FromBadToWorse To make matters even worse]], they/[[IAmTheBand Rob Flynn]] put out a followup up called ''Supercharger'' that was ''even worse'' on these accounts. Thankfully, they/he [[WinBackTheCrowd dug themselves out of the hole]] by reintroducing their classic Thrash sound on subsequent albums ''Through the Ashes of Empires'' and ''The Blackening'', though a bit too late as their particular Audience-Alienating Era left a scorching black mark on their/Flynn's reputation that they/he have yet to fully recover from, especially as the band still looms in the shadows of both it and [[ToughActToFollow their classic]] album ''[[FirstInstallmentWins Burn My Eyes]]''. Unfortunately, after delivering two more solid efforts with ''Unto the Locust'' and ''Bloodstone and Diamonds'', the band lept right back into NuMetal with ''Catharsis'', undoing whatever good will they had gained with their previous four albums. Thankfully, they got back on track with ''Of Kingdom and Crown''. |
| 73 | * Music/MarilynManson. |
| 74 | ** The band took a steep commercial hit due to backlash after the UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}} massacre in 1999, for which they were widely MisBlamed by MoralGuardians who felt that their music had [[MurderSimulators influenced the shooters to commit their violent crimes]]. Fans, however, regard this period as having produced, if anything, one of their ''best'' albums in 2000's ''Music/HolyWoodInTheShadowOfTheValleyOfDeath'', written in direct response to the massacre, and [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff their success in Europe (untouched by the controversy) would go on unscathed]]. That said, OnceOriginalNowCommon began kicking in with their 2003 album ''The Golden Age of Grotesque'' as the band, which built its brand on controversy, suddenly found itself competing with a new wave of edgy HipHop and NuMetal acts, creating the public perception that they were yesterday's news and that their shock value was wearing thin (perhaps best represented in [[https://entertainment.theonion.com/marilyn-manson-now-going-door-to-door-trying-to-shock-p-1819565904 a famous article]] by ''Website/TheOnion'' skewering Manson). While many fans liked ''The Golden Age of Grotesque'' well enough for its {{concept|Album}} (rooted in UsefulNotes/{{Weimar|Germany}}-era art, {{burlesque}}, and satire of fascism), with the album again selling well in Europe and many saying that it was the band's last good album before the Audience-Alienating Era ''really'' set in, there were others, especially among {{critic|alDissonance}}s, who felt that the band was sliding into SelfParody and PanderingToTheBase. The band themselves seemed to acknowledge it, with the album's first track "This Is the New Shit" opening with the line "Everything has been said before/Nothing left to say anymore" and then proceeding to skewer the very idea of ShockRock. |
| 75 | ** The real Audience-Alienating Era would come with ''Eat Me, Drink Me'' in 2007. Recorded in the wake of Manson (the singer/frontman) divorcing Creator/DitaVonTeese, its more personal themes were seen by many fans as a {{wangst}}y [[CreatorBreakdown mid-life crisis]] that effectively destroyed his "most evil man in America" image. Furthermore, this was the band's first album to not feature John 5 and Madonna Wayne Gacy, both of whom left the band on bad terms with Manson after ''The Golden Age of Grotesque''. Manson's planned directorial debut ''Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll'' also fell into DevelopmentHell when its leaked trailer caused controversy due to its violent and sexual content, with Manson later stating that it will likely never be released. The band quickly course-corrected, returning to more familiar territory with ''The High End of Low'' in 2009 and ''Born Villain'' in 2012, but those albums were often seen as SoOkayItsAverage and not comparing well to the albums from their GloryDays. A true comeback wouldn't come until the success of ''The Pale Emperor'' in 2015. |
| 76 | * Both ''Risk'' (LighterAndSofter done horribly wrong; also one of the only non-country albums ever produced by Dann Huff) and ''The World Needs a Hero'' (DarkerAndEdgier done horribly wrong) are considered to be the nadir of Music/{{Megadeth}}/[[IAmTheBand Dave Mustaine]]'s career. One could also throw the "SellOut" album ''Cryptic Writings'' in the mix as well, and go as far as declaring everything between ''[[NewSoundAlbum Youthanasia]]'' and ''[[WinBackTheCrowd Endgame]]'' as this trope. You can argue the band are still stuck in an Audience-Alienating Era, and go as far back as ''Countdown to Extinction'' for its beginning. Lastly, the disastrous ''Super Collider'' very strongly indicated that an Audience-Alienating Era was on the horizon. Fortunately, it didn't happen as ''[[WinBackTheCrowd Dystopia]]'' proved to be a return to the band's mid-late 00's thrash style. Plus, in 2017, Megadeth ''finally'' won their first MediaNotes/{{Grammy|Award}}, for the title track of ''Dystopia''. |
| 77 | * The post-''Black Album'' period of Music/{{Metallica}} (''Load'', ''Reload'', ''St. Anger'') doesn't exist for [[BrokenBase many fans]]. Well, maybe ''Death Magnetic'' (if you pirate the ''VideoGame/GuitarHero'' rip instead of getting the [[LoudnessWar atrociously-mastered]] CD) and ''Hardwired...To Self-Destruct'' can be RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, but anyways... |
| 78 | ** The [[DeadArtistsAreBetter death of Cliff Burton]]/[[ReplacementScrappy introduction of]] Music/JasonNewsted is often cited as the cause of these problems. Whilst unfair on Newsted (his first album with Metallica, ''...And Justice for All'', ''is'' really good after all, even though it already shows said unfairness by having the bass buried ''very'' deep in the mix), since replacing him with Rob Trujillo, they have improved, though that may simply be coincidence. |
| 79 | ** The Napster suit in 2000 perpetuated this for many, as even the people Metallica was (supposedly) pandering to were disgusted with the band afterwards. |
| 80 | ** Many fans include ''The Black Album'' as well, particularly for ItsPopularNowItSucks. |
| 81 | ** There's often a tendency among fans to want ''every album'' by that band to sound the same, and when somebody like Kirk Hammett has an adventurous streak and wants to experiment with sound, it alienates part of the fan base. This also happened to Music/{{Motorhead}} when Brian Robertson of Music/ThinLizzy joined them for ''Another Perfect Day''. Robertson's insistence on wearing disco shorts and refusal to play older Motorhead songs didn't help his case any, but the songwriting on that album defines well-written metal of the early 1980s. |
| 82 | * Music/MotleyCrue. Having to contend with the newfound popularity of {{Grunge}}, which pushed glam and hair metal off the charts, as well as internal affairs with Vince Neil leaving the band, they signed a deal with Creator/ElektraRecords and seemed to be coming out on top. Unfortunately, their first release, their 1994 SelfTitledAlbum, was underpromoted (their tour was scaled back from stadiums to smaller venues) and largely unknown due to MTV placing them on a blacklist because of interview mishaps, not to mention the loss of Vince Neil which led to fans [[FanonDiscontinuity disregarding]] the album (no one even knew who [[ReplacementScrappy John Corabi]] was). Which is a damn shame, because it really [[SugarWiki/NeedsMoreLove deserves more praise]]. After this, they were able to bring back Vince Neil, but this led to 1997's ''Generation Swine'', which was the result of a [[ExecutiveMeddling tumultuous struggle]] between the band and their producers, and ended up with a very different sound from their previous work, including the grunge-inspired '94 album. This album was far more experimental and spacey, which the fans couldn't really get behind, since they were expecting the original lineup to return to their sleazy, fast-paced metal roots. To make matters worse, shortly after the release of 2000's ''New Tattoo'', their new drummer Randy Castillo [[DiedDuringProduction died of cancer]]. From [[http://www.allmusic.com/album/saints-of-los-angeles-mw0000789098 what's been said]] of 2008's ''Saints of Los Angeles'', it seems they've left this period behind them. |
| 83 | * Funnily, while a lot of metal bands and musicians were entering an Audience-Alienating Era in the '90s, Music/OzzyOsbourne was slowly coming out of one. While his first two solo albums (''Blizzard Of Ozz'' and ''Diary Of A Madman'') were hugely successful, things took a major turn for the worse when famed lead guitarist Randy Rhoads was unexpectedly killed in a plane crash. His first replacement, Jake E. Lee, was actually a pretty capable guitarist. But the two albums made with him in the band, ''Bark At The Moon'' and ''The Ultimate Sin'', were not as good. The latter album, especially, was criticized by some for pandering to the then-emerging glam metal scene (though it did contain one of Ozzy's most popular songs, "Shot In The Dark"). To make matters worse, Ozzy's problems with substance abuse were spiraling out of control, as was his relationship with wife Sharon Osbourne. Fortunately, Ozzy slowly began to pick himself back up in the late-80's, beginning by hiring guitarist Zakk Wylde for 1988's underrated ''No Rest For The Wicked''. After that, he cleaned up most of his personal issues and released the album ''No More Tears'' in 1991, which was and still is widely regarded as one of his best ever solo albums. |
| 84 | * In the mid-'00s, Music/{{Powerman 5000}} decided to abandon their IndustrialMetal sound and their sci-fi fashion sense and image with the punk-influenced albums ''Transform'' in 2003 and ''Destroy What You Enjoy'' in 2006 [[note]]Ironically, their breakthrough album ''Tonight The Stars Revolt!'' had also been a NewSoundAlbum - they'd started out with more of a FunkMetal style[[/note]]. While ''Transform'' has its fans, few will defend ''Destroy What You Enjoy'', which, tellingly, is the only one of their albums that is not carried on iTunes or streaming services. That thankfully short-lived period ended with ''Somewhere on the Other Side of Nowhere'' in 2009. |
| 85 | * Music/SixFeetUnder went through one of these in the early 2000s. Their first three albums are regarded as solid '90s death metal records, with their debut ''Haunted'' in particular being considered a classic by fans. In 2000, however, they released the phoned-in cover album ''Graveyard Classics'', which polarized people; some fans liked it for their death metal take on classic rock songs, while others felt it was unnecessary and SoBadItsGood at best. But the band's fourth original album ''True Carnage'' is when they started to go downhill. To date, it's their lowest-rated record, being trashed for its sludgy production values, experimentation with NuMetal, sluggish performances, and a pretty clear lack of effort. As if that weren't bad enough, their very next record ''Bringer of Blood'' dialed up the nu-metal considerably, and featured even more vapid songwriting along with shallow lyrics that would make even [[Music/LimpBizkit Fred Durst]] cringe. Fans hoping for improvement ended up getting the final nail in the coffin; a second ''Graveyard Classics'' album that was a cover of Music/{{ACDC}}'s entire ''Back in Black'' album, which is universally despised even by the band's most diehard fans, and the standalone song "Dead and Buried", which featured Chris Barnes' worst vocal performance of all time. They managed to win some people back with three solid records in a row, but it wasn't until 2012's ''Undead'' that they managed to get themselves out of their rut entirely. |
| 86 | ** 2020's ''Nightmares of the Decomposed'' sent the group plummeting right back in a pit. On paper, the record was highly anticipated, as it was the first album to feature Jack Owen on guitar, reuniting him with Chris for the first time since ''[[Music/CannibalCorpse The Bleeding]]''. Instead, it ended up becoming the band's most reviled album yet. While it wasn't without potential, the production was thin, the songwriting trite ("Zodiac" in particular being considered the band's all-time worst song), and its ideas were brought down by Chris giving a lazy, tired, and phoned-in vocal performance that even the band's most adamant defenders struggled to find anything good about. It's safe to say that unless their next effort is better and Barnes works on his voice again, it will take a miracle for them to get back on their feet. |
| 87 | * Even Music/{{Slayer}} wasn't immune to the crippling power that TheNineties had on metal. They lost [[TheAce their drummer Dave Lombardo]], and experimented with NuMetal for a while (something [[OldShame Kerry King himself openly wishes to forget]]). However, since the mid-[[TheNoughties Noughties]], Lombardo is back, and Slayer is making straight ThrashMetal again. Then, Jeff Hanneman (who was regarded as the best songwriter in the band) passed away and Lombardo's replacement, Paul Bostaph (who is a very good drummer himself, the hatred just comes from [[ToughActToFollow being compared to the man who wrote the metaphorical book on that style of drumming]]) has returned once again. The alleged circumstances behind Lombardo's departure have not helped matters. Ultimately, the alienation only ended with the band as they announced a break-up following a 2018-19 farewell tour. |
| 88 | * When irreplaceable guitarist Michael Schenker left UFO in the 1970s, a sizable portion of the fan base considered them to have ceased existing, despite a resultant run of albums that were more consistent than the ones during Schenker's difficult tenure. |
| 89 | * Music/VanHalen: |
| 90 | ** Sammy Hagar's tenure as lead singer (1986-1996) after Music/DavidLeeRoth's departure is [[BrokenBase bitterly contentious]] among fans, some of whom refer to it as "Van Hagar" as though it were [[InNameOnly a different band entirely]]. While the band reached the peak of its popularity, with four #1 albums (their only chart-toppers ever) and seventeen hit singles, there's still a camp in Roth's favor claiming Hagar led the band to sell out with a watered-down sound, even though Eddie Van Halen was the one spearheading the shift to a more pop-oriented sound as far back as ''1984'' (their last studio album recorded with Dave until his return); Sammy's louder vocal delivery just happened to fit these pop sensibilities better. |
| 91 | ** Their 1998 album with Music/{{Extreme}}'s Gary Cherone on vocals, ''Van Halen III'', is much less contentious. The album proved so unpopular that Cherone was fired a year after its release, none of its songs were featured in their 2004 two-disc compilation ''The Best of Both Worlds'', and the band would rather say that [[CanonDiscontinuity none of it ever happened]]. Ironically, unlike Roth or Hagar, Cherone left the band on good terms. And they were considering bringing him along with Hagar on a "kitchen sink" tour had Eddie not passed away in 2020. |
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| 95 | * For HipHop as a whole, everything before the year 1997 is generally remembered pretty well, but much like with metal, bitter flame wars have erupted over the quality of the music that came after that pivotal year. |
| 96 | ** At the height of its popularity in the early-mid '90s, GangstaRap got this reaction from many hip-hop purists. This was when the RapIsCrap trope really gained traction in the mainstream, and rappers themselves were not immune to it, with a number of vocal critics from within the genre feeling that it had turned into [[ModernMinstrelsy a celebration of ignorant "ghetto" stereotypes]] at the expense of the fun atmosphere and social consciousness of UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfHipHop. AlternativeHipHop emerged during this time as TheMoralSubstitute to gangsta rap, rejecting what they saw as the violence, misogyny, and LowerClassLout behavior that had overtaken the hip-hop mainstream. The murder of Music/TupacShakur in 1996 and Music/TheNotoriousBIG in 1997, however, caused attitudes to shift almost overnight within the rap scene, as more attention was paid to gangsta rap's own socially conscious elements, particularly its anger at gang violence and PoliceBrutality and its vivid depictions of what it was like to grow up in a ViceCity. It helped, of course, that that period was followed by what remains one of hip-hop's most contentious periods. And on that note... |
| 97 | ** Mention the late '90s to a fan at your own risk. After the murder of Tupac and Biggie, GangstaRap found itself quickly displaced by the LighterAndSofter genre of GlamRap, which reigned over the hip-hop world until the rise of {{Crunk}}[[note]]Itself a [[BrokenBase polarizing genre]], as noted below, but one that has its fans[[/note]] and SouthernRap in the early-mid '00s. While rap music rose to new heights of commercial success and mainstream respectability, shedding many of the associations with [[GangBangers street violence]] that made it a [[TheNewRockAndRoll media lightning rod]] at the height of the gangsta wave, for many fans this came at the expense of the grit, edge, and lyrical depth that characterized hip-hop up to that point, turning what had once been the hardest and most dangerous music in the world into vapid pop. While there were genuine talents (such as Music/JayZ, Music/MissyElliott, and Music/{{Eminem}}, among others) to emerge from this time period, by and large the "Jiggy Era", "Shiny Suit Era", or "Bling Era" is remembered as a cautionary tale, a time when mediocre [=MCs=] could become stars by rapping about being decadent millionaires while wearing flashy clothes in over-produced music videos. |
| 98 | ** Those who are less sympathetic to {{Crunk}} and its offshoots will often argue that a second Audience-Alienating Era occurred in the late '00s. The use of AutoTune to distort vocals into a robotic-sounding effect, one that quickly earned the ire of listeners for seemingly wiping away the personality of rappers and burying it under vocal effects, reached its peak during this time, as did "ringtone rap", songs aimed primarily at the then-booming ringtone market that had catchy, danceable choruses (perfect for turning into a fifteen-second ringtone) but were often seen as having little of value beyond that. The early '10s saw a definitive end to this period, as the rise of smartphones killed ringtone sales and the much-derided genre of snap music that thrived off of them, while backlash against Auto-Tune distortion saw a return to more naturalistic rapping styles. That being said, with the passage of time causing most of the [[OneHitWonder flashes-in-the-pan]] to fade into history, some people have started to look back nostalgically on the age of crunk and even go so far as to call it a Golden Age for party rap and hip-hop dance music, especially in comparison to... |
| 99 | ** ...the late '10s. The rise of [=SoundCloud=], Platform/{{Vine}}, and [=TikTok=] as platforms for self-publishing, self-promotion, and memes [[GenreTurningPoint set off a sea change in hip-hop]], one whose effects are furiously debated among fans. To its detractors, the brand of TrapMusic that emerged from these online scenes is a new Audience-Alienating Era in the making, characterized by [[TheUnintelligible vocals slurred to the point of near-unintelligibility]] (leading to the derisive term "mumble rap"), [[MisogynySong vicious misogyny]], [[OdeToIntoxication the celebration of drug abuse]] (particularly prescription pills like Xanax), and the worst sort of {{emo|Teen}} {{wangst}}, often performed by artists whose lyrics shine ugly mirrors onto their violent personal lives. Defenders, however, praise it for its authentic emotions, energy, and anger, often comparing it to early PunkRock in both its attitude and its ThreeChordsAndTheTruth-style simplicity. Needless to say, "[=SoundCloud=] rap" marks one of the greatest fault lines in modern hip-hop, and opinions on it one way or the other can get ''very'' heated. |
| 100 | * Music/ChanceTheRapper fell into a major Audience-Alienating Era in 2019, after his first proper studio album ''The Big Day'' flopped both critically and commercially. Before then, he was seen as one of the most promising new rappers in the game, standing out for both his positive/optimistic lyrics and championing of record label independence. He released three highly acclaimed mixtapes (''10 Day'', ''Acid Rap'' and ''Coloring Book''), with ''Coloring Book'' actually managing to do the unthinkable for a self-released mixtape: [[SugarWiki/CrowningMomentOfAwesome win a Grammy for "Best Rap Album."]]\ |
| 101 | Unfortunately, throughout the next two years, the signs of an impending audience-alienating era were in place, with Chance (among other things) forcing Creator/{{MTV}} to pull a critical review of one of his concerts. However, his audience-alienating era truly started with the release of his first actual "studio album" ''The Big Day''. An album that was ''savaged'' by the hip hop community. Criticisms included weak writing, poor singing in parts, a lack of musical focus, and (perhaps most critically) [[SillyLoveSongs corny and overly sentimental lyrics about his marriage to Kirsten Corley]]. The album debuted at #2 on the Billboard 200 but quickly dropped down the charts after word of mouth spread about its badness[[note]]WebVideo/TheNeedleDrop even gave the album a rare ''0/10'' in his review for it[[/note]]. Meanwhile, his upcoming tour wound up being cancelled due to ''historically'' low ticket sales. To make matters even worse, Chance took the album's harsh criticism very poorly. Getting into fights with complaining fans on Twitter, making bizarre statements about people "wanting him to kill himself", and developing a massive God complex that lead many to perceive him as an entitled narcissist. And then, in 2020, he was not only sued by his former manager for unpaid royalties but ''publicly badmouthed'' by that same manager for showing a lack of dedication and work ethic when making ''The Big Day''. In just one year, Chance has gone from being one of the most sought after young emcees to a pariah within the rap community, and it's unclear whether or not his career will be able to recover from this. Music/{{Eminem}}, who has struggled with his reputation especially in TheNewTens, even analogised his own career to that of Chance in 2020: "''They'll be calling you a trash bin, sayin' that your new one isn't better than your last and even if it is, once they start to turn their backs, they ain't never comin' back in. They did it to Chance.''" |
| 102 | * Music/{{Eminem}}'s career peaked in 2002 with his fourth album ''Music/TheEminemShow'' and his film debut in ''Film/EightMile'' (a [[BasedOnATrueStory loose biopic]] of his upbringing that produced the hit single "Lose Yourself"), but after that, his track record gets spotty. Here are a few commonly cited eras. |
| 103 | ** Some see ''The Eminem Show'' as a downplayed example of this, with many regarding it as being OK but a mile away from the glory of his prior albums ''Music/TheSlimShadyLP'' and ''Music/TheMarshallMathersLP''. |
| 104 | ** Eminem's GangstaRap phase in 2003 when he was hanging out with [[Music/FiftyCent G-Unit]] is sometimes regarded as this due to the inauthenticity of his gangster persona, which did not suit his mildly-naughty white schoolboy background, childish personality, and [[PrettyBoy unintimidating]] physical appearance (especially when next to 50, a legitimate gangster who [[MadeOfIron survived being shot]]). The songs he wrote in this period are mostly {{Diss Track}}s and [[BoastfulRap violent boasts]], and tend to lack the [[SelfDeprecation self-deprecating]] and confessional personality of his earlier material. Due to the large amount of production he did in this era, he even started [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks recycling melodies from older songs]]. By and large, this period is seen as he fell face-first into the PrettyFlyForAWhiteGuy tropes that he'd managed to avoid in the past. |
| 105 | ** The most commonly cited low point for Eminem is a lengthy period in the mid-late '00s. Starting in 2004, he underwent a CreatorBreakdown where his pill addiction (which culminated in an overdose in 2007), writer's block, and grief over the 2006 murder of his best friend Proof led him to churn out a lot of {{Bottom of the Barrel Joke}}s with lower-than-usual technical abilities, [[WhatTheHellIsThatAccent vaguely offensive accents]], and a [[{{Wangst}} hyper-depressive]], TorchTheFranchiseAndRun tone. During this time, he killed off [[ADarkerMe Slim Shady]] and adopted a more generic hip-hop mogul persona that he'd previously stood out for avoiding. |
| 106 | *** 2004's ''Music/{{Encore}}'' endured a TroubledProduction thanks to both Eminem's mounting personal demons and the leak of an early version of the album as a bootleg mixtape, and its release saw many a ReviewIronicEcho describing the title of the lead single "Just Lose It" as an appropriate description of what happened to his talent. While it had the biggest-selling debut in hip-hop history, it was widely criticized for its DenserAndWackier tone, an overreliance on ToiletHumour and [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece topical pop culture references]], and a {{Flanderization}} of his Slim Shady persona. Even Eminem himself later [[CreatorBacklash turned against it]]. It's [[VindicatedByHistory come in for some reevaluation]] since then, with a subset of fans praising its more serious songs, Music/DrDre's production, its more spontaneous flow (compared to Eminem's later focus on highly technical rapping), and its pointed jabs at [[HorribleHollywood sexual abuse in the entertainment industry]] in which the joke was always on the abusers, but it remains a very divisive entry in his discography. |
| 107 | *** ''Encore''[='=]s fans, meanwhile, set the cutoff specifically at his 2005 GreatestHitsAlbum ''Curtain Call: The Hits'', viewing ''Encore'' as a worthy return to the humour of ''The Slim Shady LP'' but not being willing to accept "FACK", a [[GrossOutShow gross-out song]] about [[BestialityIsDepraved depraved sex acts]] that was included as the first song on ''Curtain Call'' after the intro. 2006's ''Eminem Presents: The Re-Up'', a compilation album featuring various artists from Eminem's label Shady Records, is sometimes also included. |
| 108 | *** Some extend this period further to include his 2009 album ''Relapse'', which also has gross-out humor and accents and was seen as outdated in 2009. There is a large subset of fans for whom it has been VindicatedByHistory and marks the end of his slump for its reversal of several of these trends: bringing Slim Shady back from the dead, cutting down on the {{Wangst}}, displaying drastically improved lyrical technique and vocal delivery, and going into full-on {{Horrorcore}} territory in its lyrics. However, others still reject it for being [[TooBleakStoppedCaring too bleak]] and meaningless, especially in comparison to the funny and confessional ''Encore'' and ''Recovery'' albums that bookend it. (Eminem himself has said that, while he doesn't think ''Encore'' is his best work, he considers it much better than ''Relapse''.) |
| 109 | ** 2010's ''Recovery'' through 2017's ''Revival'', a CreatorRecovery period in which [[TrueArtIsAngsty Eminem was a lot happier]] and no longer touched on his usual rage-filled topics. His music shifted to a [[RadioFriendliness commercial]], PopRap-cum-RapRock style, and his image switched to a [[RatedGForGangsta nice]], apologetic, [[BoastfulRap self-regarding]], and [[AmbiguouslyChristian vaguely Jesusy]] RecoveredAddict character that caused a loud minority of his fans to [[WeWantOurJerkBack beg him to get back on drugs]] -- something Eminem himself has remarked on being disgusting. At the same time, his lyrics maintained enough VulgarHumor to irritate anyone who thinks homophobic slurs and rape jokes are [[JustJokingJustification off-limits]] (a common opinion in TheNewTens). This period also saw Eminem shifting to a much more technical, speed-focused and HurricaneOfPuns-laden style which began to [[DancingBear overpower his songwriting and beat-riding]], particularly by the time of ''Revival''. |
| 110 | *** Initially, ''Recovery'' was seen as [[WinBackTheCrowd a solid comeback]] and an improvement over both ''Encore'' and ''Relapse''. However, opinion on it has [[CondemnedByHistory declined over the years]] to the point that now, it's not hard to find people who view it as his worst album and the [[FranchiseOriginalSin point of origin]] for a lot of the most divisive elements of his 2010s output. |
| 111 | *** ''Recovery'' and ''Revival'' in particular are criticised for Eminem showing diminished abilities as a vocalist. Eminem's albums prior to ''Recovery'' had made a lot out of his ability to act out his lyrics and transform his vocal tone, but ''Recovery'' is delivered in a cranked-up MetalScream style that has been called monotonous and tiresome. Eminem transitioned to a more playful GrinOfAudacity-to-SuddenlyShouting voice on his following projects, apparently agreeing with the criticism. ''Revival'' has more acting and tonal variation, but has garnered criticism for its unpleasant delivery, which Eminem also corrected in later projects by using more MelodicRap and his higher register. |
| 112 | *** 2013's ''The Marshall Mathers LP 2'' was part of this creative period, but is generally regarded more positively on account of its deeper and more personal lyrics, {{Continuity Nod}}s to the first ''Marshall Mathers LP'', improved personality and stylistic versatility, and the best technical rapping of his career. However, many find it good ''despite'' his artistic direction at the time, rather than ''because'' of it. |
| 113 | *** Some find ''Recovery'' and ''The Marshall Mathers LP 2'' good, and set the beginning of the period with 2014's compilation album ''SHADYXV'', the first indication of the writer's block Eminem experienced in the mid-2010s, which contains numerous songs in which Eminem fears he's lost all connection with the real world and no longer has any pain left to rap about. |
| 114 | * Music/JayZ's output after 2003's ''The Black Album'' ([[TenMinuteRetirement initially promoted as his final release]]) was always commercially successful, but many fans and critics felt that, even on his better albums, he'd lost some of the fire that characterized his earlier material. 2006's ''Kingdom Come'' and 2013's ''Magna Carta... Holy Grail'' are often pointed to as low points for Jay in his "record mogul" era, written largely on autopilot by a man more concerned with his brand and his businesses than his music. Ironically, personal scandal wound up ending the Audience-Alienating Era, as his 2017 album ''4:44'', written after he cheated on his wife Music/{{Beyonce}} and largely influenced by the affair and its aftermath, won widespread acclaim. |
| 115 | * Likewise, Music/KanyeWest's post-''Music/{{Yeezus}}'' period has debatably been one long audience-alienating era for him, as both the quality of his music seemingly fell into decline and his personal life started flying off the rails. |
| 116 | ** 2016's ''Music/TheLifeOfPablo'' was generally well received but criticized for its unusual release strategy (initially being released ''in an unfinished state'' on streaming platforms and gradually updated throughout the following months) and somewhat tasteless lyrics. The immediate aftermath became inconsistent -- his production work on Pusha T's ''Daytona'' and collaborative project with Music/KidCudi, ''Music/KidsSeeGhosts'', both earned widespread acclaim, but his actual follow-up album ''Ye'' in 2018 received a mostly lukewarm reaction for [[NewSoundAlbum its drastically more introspective and intentionally stripped-back sound]], which [[BrokenBase is either its greatest strength or biggest weakness depending on who you ask]]. Notably, it broke his streak of broad critical favorability, earning less-than-solid reviews and leading many to wonder if the former critical darling had finally "lost it." 2019 saw a full-throated embrace of born-again religion with the [[ChristianRock Christian rap]] album ''Jesus is King'' (after [[ScheduleSlip missing two deadlines]]) and the pop-up church/Gospel hip-hop group [[https://blavity.com/6-reasons-why-kanye-wests-new-cult-i-mean-church-is-cause-for-pause Sunday Service]], which struck many fans as a repeat of Music/BobDylan's infamous Christian period. |
| 117 | %%YES, we know about Kanye's latest terrible political takes and other drama, but rules are still rules, including the 5-year-waiting period for "No Recent Examples". This is a developing saga, but take the complaints about the live drama on a different site. |
| 118 | * Music/MCHammer's 1994 album ''The Funky Headhunter'' -- with the possible exception of the single "Pumps and A Bump" (as long as you [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZqG3f-jhqg ignore the video]]). While the song was a platinum-selling success at the time, his attempt to jump on the GangstaRap bandwagon destroyed the clean-cut, churchgoing image he'd built in the early '90s. His fans turned against him, and fans of gangsta rap saw him as a poser. |
| 119 | * Music/NickiMinaj fell into one in the late 2010s, with many fans feeling that it started the moment that her status as the dominant female rapper was challenged by a new crop of such, most notably Music/CardiB and Music/MeganTheeStallion. The general perception is that Nicki's tendency to belittle any perceived rival, while already pronounced in her earlier music, went from [[AwesomeEgo endearingly catty]] to simply [[AlphaBitch petty]] and sent the quality of her music into decline, while her social media feuds, habit of [[InternetCounterattack sending her diehard fans after her critics online]], and associations with increasingly controversial people (including as musical collaborators) began to [[OvershadowedByControversy overshadow her music]]. |
| 120 | * Music/RunDMC: |
| 121 | ** Their 1990 album ''Back from Hell'' saw them try to keep up with changing trends in hip-hop, most notably the rise of Music/PublicEnemy and the NewJackSwing and GangstaRap movements. It ''really'' didn't pan out, and they went back to their classic '80s style on their 1993 follow-up ''Down with the King''. |
| 122 | ** They fell into another one with their next album after that, 2001's ''Crown Royal'', recorded without Darryl "D.M.C." [=McDaniels=] thanks to both a throat condition caused by years of loud rapping and his sense that [[CreatorsApathy the whole album was just a cynical cash grab]], especially with its pivot to NuMetal, of all genres. Critics and fans generally agreed, and it bombed even harder than ''Back from Hell''. Afterwards, the band talked about recording a new album that would bring D.M.C. back and accommodate his reduced vocal range, with a more folk-influenced sound inspired by [[Music/HouseOfPain Everlast]]. Unfortunately, thanks to Jam Master Jay's murder the following year, it would be the last album they ever recorded, and the album they had planned ultimately became a D.M.C. solo album. |
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| 126 | * {{Pop}} music as a whole has gone through a few points when the "pop" part of the name (as in "popular") seemed like an ArtifactTitle. |
| 127 | ** While TheSeventies were undoubtedly a Golden Age for many American music genres (HardRock, {{Funk}}, dance music, CountryMusic), the sorry state of mainstream pop during that time almost seems like karmic balance in comparison. '70s pop was dominated by VarietyShow acts, novelty songs, and schmaltzy ballads, many of which were defined by [[SweetnessAversion saccharine cheesiness and edgelessness]]. Looking at the first half of the decade, it's no wonder that {{Disco}} exploded as it did in the latter half, given the competition -- and when disco [[DiscoSucks infamously went out of fashion]] in TheEighties, many music fans were inclined to write off the entire decade as a pop music wasteland. The fact that pop enjoyed a renaissance in TheEighties (albeit one that, as noted below, was [[VindicatedByHistory only truly appreciated in hindsight]]) only made the comparisons that much less flattering. Not even '70s nostalgia has resurrected the reputation of the decade's pop music, aside from [[PopularityPolynomial a reevaluation of the disco scene]]. WebVideo/ToddInTheShadows, in the ''One Hit Wonderland'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtY38uMTil0 episode]] covering the 1974 hit "The Night Chicago Died" by Paper Lace, referred to 1974 specifically as "the worst year in pop music history", a time when virtually ''nothing'' on the pop charts was any good and people had to go looking in other genres to find music worth listening to. |
| 128 | ** Pop music from TheEighties had this reputation in the '90s and the first half of the '00s, due to the ubiquity of the Yamaha [=DX7=] synthesizer and its cheesy-sounding presets being nearly inescapable in all forms of rock and pop music during the decade, as well as [[IWasQuiteAFashionVictim the goofy fashion trends]] seen in music videos. The popularity of Creator/{{MTV}} led to a perception among fans and critics that the newly popular artists favored image over substance. Many ''[[ILoveTheExties I Love The '80s]]''-style nostalgia shows featured artists [[OldShame openly cringing]] at the way they looked in the videos. The only electronic acts from the era that got a pass were typically cool AlternativeDance bands like Music/DepecheMode and Music/NewOrder. However, as with hair metal around the same time, '80s nostalgia made SynthPop cool again in the late '00s and '10s, with many contemporary pop acts adopting retro-sounding synths in their songs and the entire UsefulNotes/{{synthwave}} genre hearkening back to the electronic film soundtracks of the era. That said, while analog synthesizers like the Minimoog and the Prophet-5 have made a comeback, FM synths like the [=DX7=] are still remembered as cheesy relics, with used examples selling for considerably less than their analog counterparts. |
| 129 | ** Pop in the US spent the early-mid 1990s reeling from the disgrace and downfall of Music/MilliVanilli, at the time one of the biggest and most influential pop acts in the country. {{Grunge}}, HipHop, adult alternative, and CountryMusic won the hearts of listeners who saw the dance-pop and adult contemporary of the late '80s as overly artificial, sanitized, and soulless, and artists within those latter genres struggled to break through or maintain the success that they did have. This Audience-Alienating Era is actually the reason why the US is the one market that global pop sensation Music/KylieMinogue was [[AmericansHateTingle unable to crack]]: her peak hitmaking years coincided with the time when her brand of pop music was anathema to American listeners. Music/AlanisMorissette also had to undergo a significant GenreShift for her American breakthrough ''Music/JaggedLittlePill'' after her first two pop-oriented albums fell completely flat with critics and audiences. Only in the late '90s, with the rise of {{boy band}}s like the Music/BackstreetBoys and Music/{{NSYNC}} and pop princesses like Music/BritneySpears and Music/ChristinaAguilera, did Americans embrace pop once more. The only pop artists who managed to escape the carnage comparatively unscathed were '80s icons Music/{{Madonna}}, Music/MichaelJackson and Music/{{Prince}}, all three of whom benefited from reorienting their sounds to fit within the aforementioned adult alternative format. |
| 130 | ** Many pop fans will argue that the genre fell into another one in the mid-2000s thanks to the rise of AutoTune and pre-programmed instrumentals, resulting in music that was widely perceived as soulless, artificial, and monotonous, while subject matter came to be dominated by [[InDaClub nightclub party anthems]]. It also didn't help that hip-hop, R&B, and post-grunge took over much of pop's placement on the charts and many of the genre's superstars were facing heaps of media backlash around the time, either. |
| 131 | ** While the late '00s and early '10s saw a burst of creativity that many at the time heralded as an end to the Audience-Alienating Era (even as the trends from before also reached their apex with the "club boom"), the pendulum swung back hard in the mid-'10s with the disgrace of RecordProducer Dr. Luke, instrumental in crafting the defining pop sounds of the 21st century, in his sexual assault scandal. Not only did this seem to deal a body blow to the output of many of his most frequent collaborators, who were among the biggest music stars in the world at the time, but the gap left by his absence and that of his proteges was soon filled by ElectronicDanceMusic and TrapMusic, two highly polarizing genres that came to dominate the charts and especially streaming platforms. Additionally, much of the pop that did breakthrough in the mainstream split fans (especially from those who were kinder to the "club boom") over perception of being too bleak for its own good. It's been noted that many of the most interesting artists in pop music today are either working outside the mainstream or come from outside the US, most notably from the IndiePop and [[KoreanPopMusic K-pop]] scenes. |
| 132 | * Many argue Music/ToriAmos fell into one of these during the '00s with her post-''Scarlet's Walk'' (her wildly popular 2002 album) output, though mainly due to the structuring and runtime compared to the content itself. |
| 133 | ** ''The Beekeeper'' arguably started it off according to some critics and even a sizable number of fans with, especially with the release of the LighterAndSofter lead single "Sleeps With Butterflies". It has since gotten a bit more appreciation, if only from fans, for how the songs delve into some complex and unlikely themes, including Gnostic Christianity. |
| 134 | ** ''American Doll Posse'' was an ambitious, 79 minute long ConceptAlbum where Amos assumed five separate female personalities to tell a story of living in the USA. A downplayed example in that critics were more appreciative of the musical content compared to ''The Beekeeper'' and even ''Scarlet's Walk'' itself, only reserving the criticism for the AudienceAlienatingPremise that was the structure. |
| 135 | ** ''Abnormally Attracted to Sin'' also copped flak for its overly long runtime, though was counterbalanced by the album drawing from her personal life compared to the external influences such as politics, feminism, and the [[UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror Iraq War]]. |
| 136 | * Jack Antonoff became the BreakupBreakout of Music/{{Fun}} after that band went on hiatus, emerging as one of the most in-demand pop music {{record producer}}s of the mid-late 2010s, especially after Dr. Luke's career was [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor derailed by personal scandal]]. By the early '20s, however, his style had begun to wear thin on critics and listeners, as his work on albums like Music/LanaDelRey's ''Chemtrails Over the Country Club'' and Music/{{Lorde}}'s ''Solar Power'' was criticized as samey and bland to the point where some songs sounded like SelfPlagiarism of older tracks he'd recorded with other artists. While Music/TaylorSwift's Antonoff-produced 2020 albums ''Music/{{folklore|2020}}'' and ''Music/{{evermore|2020}}'' were acclaimed, many attributed that less to Antonoff than to co-producer [[Music/TheNational Aaron Dessner]]. |
| 137 | * Music/{{B2ST}} was considered to have gone through this after their megahit "Fiction". Neither of their next two mini albums did well in comparison, and the single "Shadow" was particularly underwhelming. They turned this around with the release of "Good Luck", which was composed by rapper Junhyung and fit the group much better, resulting in a return to popularity. |
| 138 | * Pat Boone, icon of whitebread, mocked this trope once by appearing at an event with Music/OzzyOsbourne's family in leather and with pierced nipples and temporary tattoos. He even released an album of metal covers, called ''In a Metal Mood: No More Mister Nice Guy'', performed in his signature whitebread style. His take of "Crazy Train" was used as the theme for ''Series/TheOsbournes'' (He and Ozzy were next door neighbors for many years until Ozzy and company moved shortly before the series' run). He's since claimed that his fanbase views that album as not just an Audience-Alienating Era, but a ''Devil'' Era, and it actually resulted in him getting kicked out of his church for a while.%%What should I do with the "Devil Age" thing, since this was back when the trope was still called "Dork Age"? |
| 139 | * Music/JustinBieber had this from 2013 to 2015 to the point that his career seemed effectively over during that time. These included: Bieber hitting adulthood and many of his oldest fans starting to grow out of him, the explosive breakout of boy band Music/OneDirection, taking away almost all of Bieber's youngest fans and quite a chunk of the older ones as well, his attempt to retool himself as a [[DarkerAndEdgier "bad boy"]] to try and stay relevant and his hatedom continuing to grow rapidly and them doing everything in their power to wipe Bieber Fever off the face of the Earth in addition to being tabloid fodder, with even ''mainstream media'' joining in on the fight against him. However, this ended in 2015 as Bieber staged a massive comeback with his album ''Purpose'', which was well received by critics and fans and won back many of his former fans, in addition to three consecutive #1 singles and ended Music/OneDirection's streak of #1 albums. |
| 140 | * Music/MariahCarey had this from 2001 to 2005, which also doubles as a CreatorBreakdown. In 2000, she left Creator/{{Columbia|Records}} on bad terms after her acrimonious divorce with Tommy Mottola and signed with Creator/{{Virgin|Records}} to work on her pet project ''Film/{{Glitter}}''. After production of ''Glitter'' wrapped, her three-year relationship with Luis Miguel ended. Due to the pressure of losing her relationship, being on a new record label, filming a movie, and recording an album, Mariah began to suffer a nervous breakdown and began a series of disturbing messages on her official website, and displayed erratic behaviour while on several promotional outings including her infamous ''[[Creator/{{MTV}} TRL]]'' appearance and as a result of her being checked into a hospital, ''Glitter'''s release date was postponed from August to September 2001. Unfortunately, the ''Glitter'' soundtrack was released on September 11 and became a critical and commercial dud and the film was also a BoxOfficeBomb, though the former has since been VindicatedByHistory thanks to the #justiceforglitter fan campaign that reached the soundtrack to the [[{{iProduct}} iTunes]] Top 10 18 years later. The failure resulted in Virgin releasing her contract and then she began writing songs for her next album, which became ''Charmbracelet''. The album was intended to be her CareerResurrection but unfortunately, it wasn't well-received by critics (though most critics felt it was better than ''Glitter'') and didn't do well at the charts (despite being a Top 10 album in the UsefulNotes/UnitedStates, UsefulNotes/{{Switzerland}} and UsefulNotes/{{Japan}} and "I Know What You Want", her duet with Music/BustaRhymes, became her sole Top 5 hit worldwide during that time and was later included in the re-release of ''Charmbracelet''). The failure of ''Charmbracelet'' led to Mariah questioning about her future and then began recording ''The Emancipation of Mimi'', which ultimately became her CareerResurrection and was lauded by fans and critics alike. |
| 141 | * Music/{{Cher}}: |
| 142 | ** As the quote on the main page indicates, Cher fell into one after her divorce from Music/SonnyBono in 1975. Their attempts to keep [[Music/SonnyAndCher their creative and professional partnership]] going in spite of it went hideously awry as their real-life personal troubles were [[HostilityOnTheSet visible on-screen]] on ''The Sonny & Cher Show'', causing public backlash and the quick end of their VarietyShow. Her subsequent relationship with Gregg Allman produced TabloidMelodrama and a widely panned "duet" album, 1977's ''Music/TwoTheHardWay'', that earned her the ire of many [[Music/TheAllmanBrothersBand Allman Brothers]] fans who [[YokoOhNo blamed her]] for [[CreatorKiller that band's downfall]], while her solo albums from that period, 1976's ''I'd Rather Believe in You'' and 1977's ''Cherished'', were flops. In 1979, she reinvented herself as a {{disco}} diva and enjoyed a short-lived revival with the HotterAndSexier album ''Take Me Home'' and a UsefulNotes/LasVegas residency, but her subsequent attempts to pivot towards rock music were lambasted by critics and made her disco album look like trend-hopping. Cher's real comeback would come later in TheEighties through a pivot to acting, which saw her performances in films like ''Film/{{Silkwood}}'', ''Film/Mask1985'', and ''Film/{{Moonstruck}}'' win both awards and the acclaim of surprised critics who [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct never expected the '70s pop starlet to be a credible actor]]. By the end of the decade, she'd relaunched her music career to great success and become an A-lister as both an actor and a musician. |
| 143 | ** A second audience-alienating era started in the early '90s after she contracted the Epstein-Barr virus and came down with chronic fatigue syndrome. Unable to keep both her film and music careers going, she started doing {{infomercial}}s for the [[MoneyDearBoy easy paychecks]], which earned her mockery from ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'', while both her films and her albums declined in quality. Sonny Bono's death in 1998, which saw her give a tearful eulogy at his funeral, marked the beginning of a comeback, which kicked off in earnest with her dance-pop album ''Believe'' that year, whose title track became the biggest hit of her entire career. Since then, she's been a successful touring act and pop music royalty. |
| 144 | * Music/CultureClub fell flat into an Audience-Alienating Era with their 1986 album, ''Music/FromLuxuryToHeartache''. Trying to "update" their sound by penning [[{{Pun}} club-ready]] [[SynthPop dance-pop]] numbers and Boy George ditching his [[DudeLooksLikeALady charmingly androgynous persona]] to become just another 80's PrettyBoy, the album charted only one major single. The [[ClicheStorm generic-sounding synthesisers]] used on every song certainly didn't help matters. Unsurprisingly, the failure of the record along with [[TroubledProduction behind-the-scenes issues]][[note]]such as George's [[DrugsAreBad drug abuse problems]] along with ''a keyboardist on the album'' [[DiedDuringProduction dying of a heroin overdose]], putting the upbeat cheerfulness of tracks like ''Gusto Blusto'' and ''God, Thank You Woman'' in [[HarsherInHindsight a rather depressing light]][[/note]] led to the band disbanding soon after its release, with George pursuing a solo career. |
| 145 | ** Their 1999 "reunion" album, ''Don't Mind If I Do'', qualifies as well. (Tellingly, it [[NoExportForYou wasn't released outside of Europe]].) The attempt at crafting modern pop songs just didn't work with a band considered one of the very best, if not ''the'' best, of the [[NewWaveMusic New Wave]] era. It had no hit singles and vanished without a trace. At least George's vocal chords weren't broken yet... |
| 146 | ** 2018's ''Life'' comeback album, on the other hand, appears to be the ''end'' of the Audience-Alienating Era. The tracks are ''far'' catchier than anything they've done since 1985; a delectable blend of retro stylings with irresistible hooks. This is what we ''should've'' got in 1986. George's voice is sadly damaged, but it's certainly listenable and he's clearly trying his hardest. |
| 147 | * Music/DaftPunk fell into this with their third album ''Human After All''. After two commercially successful albums that brought French dance music into the mainstream, the dance pop duo opted for a more rock-oriented sound with their follow up and unfortunately, it polarised critics and fans alike due to the new sound and the duo's decision to record the album with a six-week production time, along with the album having mediocre sales when compared to ''Homework'' and ''Discovery''. While "Robot Rock" was a hit, it wasn't as successful as their bigger hits "Around the World" and "One More Time", barely reaching the Top 40 in nine countries and charted below the Top 40 in their native France. Fortunately, the band bounced back in 2007 with a well-regarded live album ''Alive 2007'', which many fans considered it a huge improvement along with their ''Film/TronLegacy'' soundtrack coming out in 2010 and after leaving Creator/VirginRecords to join Creator/ColumbiaRecords, the duo had a CareerResurrection with their disco-influenced ''Random Access Memories'' in 2013, which performed well and had the successful hit "Get Lucky", which became their first UK number one single and their first US Top 40 hit. |
| 148 | * Music/DuranDuran had "Notorious"; many fans thought they'd overstayed their welcome when they heard it. Others believe that "Seven And The Ragged Tiger" was the start of their downfall, due to it being produced by the divisive Nile Rodgers. |
| 149 | ** A few hardcore {{New Wave|Music}} elitists think everything after their ''debut'' album was an Audience-Alienating Era. |
| 150 | * Music/ArianaGrande's ''Dangerous Woman'' era was widely considered to be far less successful than ''My Everything'' was. This was often seen as a result of her bad behavior getting the best of her, most infamously the donut shop incident. For years, none of her songs came close to the massive success that "Problem" had. In 2017, the Manchester Arena bombing and her reaction to it helped her regain many of her lost fans. Her Audience-Alienating Era was over by the ''Music/ThankUNext'' era, where she got her first #1 single and followed it up with another #1. |
| 151 | * Music/JanetJackson's WardrobeMalfunction at the UsefulNotes/SuperBowl XXXVIII halftime show in 2004 marked the beginning of one that lasted for the rest of the '00s. While Music/JustinTimberlake, her co-performer at the show, walked away with minimal career damage and soon came back in 2006 with the album ''[=FutureSex/LoveSounds=]'', Janet was all but blacklisted from radio afterwards, which affected the reception of her album ''Damita Jo'' a few months later. While it still went platinum in a couple months, it only debuted at #2, breaking a 18-year streak of chart-topping albums that went back to ''Music/{{Control}}'' in 1986, and more importantly, it received only mixed reviews, many of which were colored by the controversy. Janet's follow-ups ''20 Y.O.'' in 2006 and ''Discipline'' in 2008 were seen as similar disappointments, and afterwards, she took a seven-year break from recording music to focus on acting. A return to form finally came with her comeback album ''Unbreakable'' in 2015. |
| 152 | * Music/MichaelJackson's post-''Music/{{Dangerous|Album}}'' period from 1995 to his death in 2009 was not kind to him as his public drama started overwhelming his music, starting with a large number of bitter and vindictive rants against the mainstream media on ''Music/HistoryPastPresentAndFutureBookI'' (which became the best-selling double album ever and was his last album to score a number one hit in his native UsefulNotes/UnitedStates, but was still much less successful than previous solo efforts), which even calls out the UsefulNotes/{{California}} District Attorney who led the first child molestation investigation against him ''by name'' and baselessly suggests he might be "brother with the KKK". His final album ''Music/{{Invincible}}'' featured not only those, but a rather generic sound that didn't feature any of the energy or personality of his best work. The quality of his music videos likewise plummeted, largely alternating between self-pitying visualizations of such rants and retreads of his '80s hits. |
| 153 | * For a thankfully brief period with the 2003 album ''0304'', Music/{{Jewel}} abandoned her trademark sensitive, folksy, Lilith Fair poet persona in order to become... a clone of every sexy pop princess of the early '00s. She ''claimed'' that her violently-impossible-to-like lead-off single "Intuition" was [[ParodyRetcon meant as a satire]] of interchangeable, pretty, blonde pop singers, but fans had trouble believing that, considering that she made a bunch of money off that song being used to launch a [[ProductPlacement women's razor line called "Intuition"]]. She very quickly went back to her folk-pop sound, with her departures into CountryMusic on ''Perfectly Clear'' in 2008 and ''Sweet and Wild'' in 2010 raising far fewer eyebrows given that they weren't far removed from her usual style. |
| 154 | * Jewelry was this ever since Seo In Young's departure from the group, with releases few and far between and lacklustre. |
| 155 | * The period in between 1986's ''The Bridge'' and his 1993 pop music swan song ''River of Dreams'' is not often considered an artistic high point in the career of Music/BillyJoel, at least compared with his previous albums. ''The Bridge'' was somewhat marred by an overabundance of '80s synthesizers (only slightly tempered on 1989's ''Music/StormFrontAlbum'') and an overall cynical flavor to many of his lyrics (written during his CreatorBreakdown due to financial litigation and the breakup of his marriage to [[UptownGirl Christie Brinkley]]), while there's a general dropoff in songwriting quality. While this era produced many good songs ("River Of Dreams", "Leningrad"; "The Downeaster 'Alexa'", "I Go To Extremes", "A Matter Of Trust", "Shameless", "This Is The Time"), and the polarizing "We Didn't Start The Fire", Joel's last number one single, the post-''An Innocent Man'' studio albums received mixed reviews by the Joel-faithful critics (and sites like [=AllMusic=]). |
| 156 | * Two come to mind with Music/EltonJohn. |
| 157 | ** The first is 1977-1982, when his lyricist Bernie Taupin had little or no influence on the albums of that period, his sales slowed, he dabbled in {{Disco}} for an album just as the style [[DiscoSucks fell from popularity in spectacular fashion]], and his albums in general were of an inconsistent quality. |
| 158 | ** The second is 1985-1990, where Taupin was more involved, but Elton's music became overly produced and synth-heavy, much of the classic '70s Elton John Band who backed him in his 1983-84 period were fired and replaced by session musicians, and Elton's [[SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll drug and alcohol habits]], bulimia, and [[ReallyGetsAround reckless love life]] were taking a toll on him. |
| 159 | * Music/LadyGaga's 2013 album ''Artpop'' was criticized as her coasting on her success. With the SynthPop revival sound she pioneered having blown up into the mainstream since her debut, sticking to her old formula and resting on the tropes of ''The Fame'' and ''Born This Way'' was seen as a case of OnceOriginalNowCommon at best and a creative rut at worst, one that was less groundbreaking than it was just weird for its own sake. Its critical and commercial failure (her label reportedly lost up to $25 million on the album, a charge that she denied) caused Gaga to fade from the limelight in the mid-'10s, working on smaller projects such as a collaboration with Tony Bennett and a pivot to acting on ''Series/AmericanHorrorStory'', before making a comeback in 2016-17 with her NewSoundAlbum ''Joanne'' and a well-received UsefulNotes/SuperBowl halftime performance. Despite all this, however, ''Artpop'' has become a CultClassic among Gaga's diehard fans. |
| 160 | * One example of a band that tried for a new, DarkerAndEdgier image and just... shouldn't have is demonstrated in the video and song, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5OY_H2_rQ8 "Dirty Dawg"]]. Let's just say, it ''really'' didn't go over well with Music/NewKidsOnTheBlock's established fandom. |
| 161 | * Music/{{Madonna}}: |
| 162 | ** Her first Audience-Alienating Era came in the early '90s. It started in 1990 with the video for "Justify My Love", which was banned from Creator/{{MTV}}, and continued with the 1992 album ''Music/{{Erotica}}'' and the accompanying coffee table book ''Sex'', in which an artist already notorious for courting controversy with her sex appeal became even HotterAndSexier. The sexually explicit images in ''Sex'' wound up overshadowing the music on ''Erotica'', both got [[BannedInChina banned in several countries for their content]][[note]]In Lebanon, ''Erotica'' was banned due to the titular track using an unauthorised sample from a song by Lebanese singer Fairuz[[/note]], and ''Erotica'' wound up the worst-selling album of her career. The BoxOfficeBomb of ''Film/BodyOfEvidence'' in 1993, which [[StarDerailingRole largely destroyed her acting career]], brought the growing backlash by MoralGuardians to a head, as did a number of controversies in late '93 and early '94 (most notably a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_on_Late_Show_with_David_Letterman_in_1994 notorious appearance]] on ''Series/TheLateShowWithDavidLetterman'') that caused many critics to proclaim that pop's raunchiest provocateur had [[EveryoneHasStandards finally gone too far]]. As such, in 1994 she released the LighterAndSofter album ''Music/BedtimeStories'', which saved her reputation and led to a CareerResurrection in the latter half of TheNineties. ''Erotica'' has since been VindicatedByHistory, with most critics now praising it for its adventurousness and for breaking down taboos surrounding female sexuality in pop music (even if doing so almost cost Madonna her career), with the video for "Rain" nowadays considered to be one of the greatest music videos ever made. |
| 163 | ** Her 2003 album ''Music/AmericanLife'' ended the streak of success she had with ''Bedtime Stories'', 1998's ''Music/RayOfLight'', and 2000's ''Music/{{Music|Album}}''. The title track got her blacklisted from US radio stations during that time, especially with it being released during the [[UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror US invasion of Iraq]], while the video for it was so controversial that it was banned at her own request a day after its network premiere and replaced with a different one. The rest of the songs weren't much better, filled with {{Clueless Aesop}}s that did less to satirize modern America than they did to make Madonna look like an out-of-touch celebrity complaining about FirstWorldProblems. The theme song she released for ''Film/DieAnotherDay'' was also widely criticized as one of the worst Film/JamesBond themes ever made. Overall, the album divided critics and fans for its {{anvilicious}} message and failed forays into rapping and folktronica, and unlike ''Erotica'', it hasn't been VindicatedByHistory, generally being regarded as her worst album. Another course correction was in order, and this Audience-Alienating Era soon ended with the well-received 2005 disco-influenced album ''Music/ConfessionsOnADanceFloor'', whose reputation would only grow as its sound influenced the revival of dance-pop in the late '00s. WebVideo/ToddInTheShadows goes into more detail in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCMNzdm_RKo this episode]] of ''Trainwreckords'', arguing that, while ''American Life'' wasn't a full-blown CreatorKiller, it still marked the point at which Madonna went from the most daring woman in pop music to a nostalgia act who played it safe. |
| 164 | ** Her 2008 and 2012 albums ''Music/HardCandy'' and ''MDNA'' were regarded as better than ''American Life'', but a step down from ''Confessions on a Dance Floor'', with many fans and critics seeing her as trying and failing to keep up with contemporary pop music trends (ContemporaryRAndB on ''Hard Candy'', ElectronicDanceMusic on ''MDNA''). While 2015's ''Rebel Heart'' didn't light the charts on fire (it was her first album since ''Ray of Light'' to not debut atop the charts), its return to the dance-pop of ''Confessions'' started to WinBackTheCrowd, earning it more praise from most critics and fans compared to her previous efforts. Her 2019 follow-up ''Music/MadameX'' was even more warmly received, on account of the artist incorporating more Latino-pop influences in addition to being considered just plain bizarre in a good way, suggesting that the Audience-Alienating Era has ended. |
| 165 | * [[Creator/{{Motown}} Motown Records]], the legendary pop hit factory of TheSixties, never really adjusted well to TheSeventies. Most people cite Berry Gordy's move of the label from UsefulNotes/{{Detroit}} to UsefulNotes/LosAngeles in 1972 as the tipping point; not only was the label leaving the Motor City it was named for, but the move, despite not really being a surprise to anybody who'd paid attention to Gordy's interest in LA since the late '60s, still came as a shock to many employees who now had to pack their bags and move west. Furthermore, the move coincided with most of Motown's biggest acts from the '60s and early '70s either leaving the label or breaking up, many of them due to financial disputes with Gordy. Gordy's attempts to get Motown into the film industry proved less successful than he'd hoped, and the label's association with manufactured pop music brought with it a backlash from the ascendant rock and funk musicians of the new decade, earning the derisive nickname "Toytown". The label was fortunate enough to jump on the {{disco}} bandwagon early, but the moment "DiscoSucks" became a MemeticMutation, it got hit hard by the genre's fall from grace. The quality improved in TheEighties as Motown started notching hits and selling records again, but it was fatally slow to catch on to both HipHop and the music video era. By 1988, when Gordy sold the label to Creator/{{MCA}}, it was hemorrhaging money and a shell of its former self. |
| 166 | * Music/KatyPerry's fourth[[labelnote:*]]Not counting her 2001 SelfTitledAlbum recorded under her birth name Katy Hudson at the age of 16, an album of [[ChristianRock Christian pop]] that, while not usually counted as part of her career, is a cult item among her fans.[[/labelnote]] album ''Witness'' in 2017 snapped her mainstream success, and was roundly criticized for overproduction, scattershot writing, lacking the catchiness of her best work (which many blamed on the lack of her longtime collaborator, the disgraced RecordProducer Dr. Luke), and sounding like everything else on the radio in the mid-late '10s. Katy's promise that the album would be taking a more political, socially conscious direction towards "purposeful pop" not only came off as [[InformedAttribute wishy-washy and inconsistently applied]], it also left her open to criticism of her own problematic career choices, while a four-day Platform/YouTube live stream to promote the album was filled with all manner of bizarre non-sequiturs that had people buzzing for all the wrong reasons. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Her new haircut was also incredibly polarizing, on top of it.]] While ''Witness'' debuted at #1, it crashed hard with an 89% dropoff in sales during its second week, while the accompanying concert tour struggled to sell out the arenas that she was able to pack during her ''Teenage Dream'' and ''Prism'' days. When WebVideo/ToddInTheShadows did a ''Trainwreckords'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfoPiRzWnFY episode]] on ''Witness'' five years later, he called it the album that coined the term "flop era" and said that he got requests to cover it just ''months'' after it came out, such was the speed of Katy's freefall (although he admitted that he still enjoyed the leadoff single "Chained to the Rhythm"). Her music since then, including her 2020 album ''Smile'' and five standalone singles released across 2019 and early 2020, met mixed reviews and largely went ignored on the pop charts, with only "Never Really Over" and her featured part on Music/DaddyYankee's English remix of "Con Calma" being serious hits. However, her fans at least did think it was better than ''Witness''. She also became a judge on ''Series/AmericanIdol'' in 2018 and started a UsefulNotes/LasVegas residency in late 2021. |
| 167 | * Music/{{Prince}}'s phase of replacing his name with a symbol and insistence on being called "[[TheTropeFormerlyKnownAsX The Artist Formerly Known as Prince]]" resulted in his being labeled as a {{Cloudcuckoolander}}. The era following his split from long-time record label [[Creator/WarnerBrosRecords Warner Bros.]](1996-2003) definitely counts. To recap, Prince started to release his album on his own "NPG Records" imprint with various distributors, his tours mainly catered to a small but dedicated hardcore crowd, and he started to experiment with different styles of music, mainly Jazz in the latter half. To top it all off, Prince converted to Jehovah's Witnesses near the end of the 90s and decided to stray away from the vulgar, sexual image he initially became known for. The AudienceAlienatingEra ended in 2004, first with a high profile appearance opening the 2004 UsefulNotes/{{Grammy|Award}}s with Music/{{Beyonce}}, and second with his induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. His 2004 album ''Musicology'' and its corresponding tour marked his return to the main stream and becoming an in-demand live act. |
| 168 | * Creator/KenjiSawada has had two. First, his 1969 debut album ''Julie'' has been essentially disowned by him, having come out during a brief lineup hiatus for his band The Tigers and sounding vaguely easy-listening, with a simple studio orchestra and little to no live potential. Second, there was his second "self produced" period of 1995-1999 due to taking on increasingly avant garde musical direction (1995's ''Sur<-'' was stated to be IndiePop by Sawada himself) and frequently changing membership in his live band JAZZMASTER. |
| 169 | * [[Music/GirlsGeneration SNSD]]'s "I got a Boy" is best described as an erratic song without focus, and their subsequent song "Galaxy Supernova" was considered underwhelming at best. |
| 170 | * Music/BritneySpears' infamous CreatorBreakdown period in the mid-'00s counts as a personal Audience-Alienating Era, if not a creative one. Her 2007 album ''Blackout'' received mixed reviews from critics but good ones from her fans (something that was [[CriticProof never unusual for her]]), and has since been VindicatedByHistory for the influence that its SynthPop sound had on late '00s/early '10s pop music. However, it was her first album to not go to #1 on the charts, as by that point in time, Britney was [[OvershadowedByControversy better known for her tabloid antics]] than for her music, which culminated in her losing custody of her children and being placed under the conservatorship of her father. This seemed to have done the trick in getting her life back on track; her following albums ''Circus'' and ''Femme Fatale'' were both smash hits that put her name back in the spotlight for the right reasons. |
| 171 | * Music/TaylorSwift is one of the most notoriously enigmatic musicians of the 21st century, and as such, fans and critics alike have furiously debated which of her eras are Audience-Alienating Eras, whether she's in one now, whether she's pulled herself out of one, or whether she's falling into one. |
| 172 | ** A fair number of older fans from her CountryMusic days believe that she fell into this with her GenreShift to straight pop music, though the first two albums to come out of this shift, 2012's ''Red'' and 2014's ''1989'', were both warmly received by fans and critics alike and helped her massively expand her fanbase. |
| 173 | ** A more commonly-cited Audience-Alienating Era came with [[ContractualPurity the breaking of her squeaky-clean image]] in the mid-2010s. A big part of Taylor's brand was that her music and lyrics spoke to a generation of teenage girls dealing with real-world issues, and her feuds with the likes of Music/KatyPerry, Music/KanyeWest, and Creator/KimKardashian, as well as her surrounding herself with a GirlPosse of attractive models, singers, and actresses known as her "squad", made her look like a BitchInSheepsClothing. Taylor was fully aware that her public image had taken a serious blow, to the point where she has said that this was a big part of why she chose not to publicly endorse UsefulNotes/HillaryRodhamClinton for President in 2016 despite supporting her privately, as she felt that associating herself with Clinton's campaign would reflect badly on Clinton—a move that instead led to rumors that she was secretly a UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump supporter or even a white nationalist (with attendant ironic fandom from the alt-right).\ |
| 174 | Taylor's response was to fully lean into her growing "bad girl" image on her 2017 album ''Music/{{Reputation}}'', and [[BrokenBase opinions are divided]] on whether this pulled her out of her Audience-Alienating Era or sank her further into it. Defenders welcomed it as [[TakeThatCritics her response to the criticism she'd withered]] over the prior few years, while for detractors, it was the point where she took off the sheep's clothing (in [[HotterAndSexier more ways than one]]) and just became an AlphaBitch. It was still a sales success, but a disappointment by Taylor's standards, selling a million copies in the US in its first week but taking ''seventeen'' weeks to reach two million albums sold, longer than her prior three albums combined.\ |
| 175 | That said, "a disappointment by Taylor's standards" is still a big hit, as ''reputation'' was the biggest album of both 2017 and 2018 in the US. The accompanying concert tour was also very successful, with the release of a well-received 2019 concert documentary on Creator/{{Netflix}} seeming to cause many detractors to reevaluate the album. The revelation that one of the main points many of her critics used against her, a leaked July 2016 phone call with Kanye West in which she seemingly gave her approval for a vulgar lyric about her on the song "Famous" even though she publicly excoriated him for it, turned out to have been a case of ManipulativeEditing on the part of Kanye and his wife Creator/KimKardashian also shifted public opinion in her favor (and against them). Her 2019 album ''Music/{{Lover}}'', which mixed LighterAndSofter with OlderAndWiser (including some exploration of religion and politics, topics that she'd typically avoided in the past), won widespread praise from both critics and fans, marking a definitive end to the Audience-Alienating Era. |
| 176 | * ''Man of the Woods'', Music/JustinTimberlake's 2018 comeback album, attempted to [[NewSoundAlbum incorporate influences]] from CountryMusic into his sound, and backfired badly. A backlash had been growing throughout the 2010s over what was seen as [[PrettyFlyForAWhiteGuy inauthentic posturing]] in his ContemporaryRAndB style, as well as a perception, one that Timberlake himself seemed to [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-flashback-what-happened-justin-timberlake-janet-jacksons-2004-super-bowl-halftime-show-1080688 agree with,]] that [[KarmaHoudini he got off easy]] after the [[WardrobeMalfunction "Nipplegate" scandal]] in 2004 even as Music/JanetJackson's career (see above) went down in flames, and for many, him trying to go country was TheLastStraw. ''Man of the Woods'' met mixed to negative reviews, with only the song "Say Something" with Music/ChrisStapleton having any real success. A mediocre UsefulNotes/SuperBowl halftime performance to promote the album did him no favors, between it reminding people of his infamous prior Super Bowl halftime show (the one with Janet's WardrobeMalfunction) and the massive backlash it received from Music/{{Prince}} fans over early rumors, later turning out to be untrue (he instead used a simple projection), that he would use a Pepper's Ghost of the late musician's likeness (Prince had stated in interviews near the end of his life that he strongly objected to the use of Pepper's Ghosts to produce simulated performances from deceased artists). |
| 177 | * Music/ScottWalker entered into such a phase in the early '70s. After the entirely self-penned ''Scott 4'' failed to chart, his following five albums consisted almost entirely of covers and outside compositions. These days, most fans just pretend that Walker's solo career [[FanonDiscontinuity stopped entirely]] until ''Climate of Hunter'' in 1984. |
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| 181 | * The genre as a whole has faced this more than once. |
| 182 | ** By the end of TheFifties, RockAndRoll in general had all but died. The genre's stars all saw their careers come to a halt in one way or another, with Music/ElvisPresley getting drafted into the Army, popular performers like Music/BuddyHolly and Music/EddieCochran dying in accidents, Music/LittleRichard becoming born-again and abandoning the genre, Music/JerryLeeLewis being [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor ostracized]] for marrying a teenage cousin, Bill Haley moving to middle-of-the-road instrumental and {{Country Music}}, and Music/ChuckBerry going to prison for violating the Mann Act. Furthermore, the [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney payola scandals]] had created the unfair impression that the entire genre was driven more by record industry hype than an organic fanbase, with prominent rock DJ Alan Freed seeing his career destroyed by revelations that he took money to play singles that labels were promoting (including some that he had writing credits on), Creator/DickClark only avoiding the same fate because he cooperated with the authorities and sold off his ownership stake in a record company, and [=DJs=] in general being stripped of their authority to make programming decisions at many radio stations. In the early '60s, Elvis was entering his own Audience-Alienating Era (see below), the rest of rock 'n' roll had been reduced to one novelty tune after another (such as The Twist), and the genre seemed to be well on its way to being remembered only as [[AnyoneRememberPogs a relic of '50s pop culture]]. It took [[UsefulNotes/TheBritishInvasion the Brits]], previously alien towards rock, to revive and refine the genre after the monumental American success of a [[Music/TheBeatles certain four-piece band from Liverpool]]. |
| 183 | ** Critics like to paint the [[TheSeventies early-mid '70s]] as one for rock music with the rise of ProgressiveRock. While the genre was popular, many critics saw it as overblown and pretentious, spurning the populism that had characterized '50s and '60s rock music in favor of aspirations towards TrueArt, an ethos that many critics felt went against [[RebelliousSpirit everything that rock stood for]]. The genre was so pervasive, especially in the U.K., that it influenced many non-prog rock acts like Music/LedZeppelin and Music/EltonJohn, among others. Later in the decade, economic malaise made the genre seem like a relic of a simpler time, with many prog bands' idealism, fantasy lyrics, and expensive instruments like synthesizers coming across as frivolous and out of touch to the point of [[SlobsVersusSnobs elitism]]. Many of the critics cheered when PunkRock came along later in the '70s and heralded a return to ThreeChordsAndTheTruth, and when PostPunk and the NewWaveOfBritishHeavyMetal took the musicianship of prog and swapped out the snobbery for punk-style aggression and rebellion, with the former also inheriting prog's sonic experimentation. |
| 184 | ** From the breakthrough of {{Grunge}} in the '90s through the mid-'00s, critics saw TheEighties as rock's audience-alienating era. A lot of it was the perception that music videos were causing artists to focus on image instead of the music. The other was the prevalence of cheesy Yamaha [=DX7=] synth sounds, as mentioned under the pop music section. A lot of established acts fell under this, as the wave of '60s and '70s rock stars entered middle age, making the decade seem in retrospect like a bad mid-life crisis. '80s rock only started to fall under the NostalgiaFilter with the revival of interest in the '80s in the '00s. |
| 185 | ** Mainstream rock, which was dominated by acts who originally broke out in rock's '60s/'70s heyday like Music/BruceSpringsteen, Music/BillyJoel, Music/BobDylan, and Music/{{The Rolling Stones|Band}} among other groups, encountered backlash throughout the '90s due to many of those acts pandering to mainstream pop audiences, which cost them many potential young fans who were pivoting to AlternativeRock. A high-profile victim of this Audience-Alienating Era was Music/PhilCollins, whose two albums during this period failed to crack the top 10 on the Billboard 200 for the first time in his solo career and saw his already fragile BrokenBase completely breach, becoming a pop culture punching bag for the entire decade[[note]]It didn't help that he sent Music/{{Genesis|Band}} to complete irrelevance by this point, as mentioned below[[/note]]. To this day, mainstream rock has never recovered from its '90s rut, as most of the aforementioned artists' music have been stuck on classic rock radio, with their newer hits being all but ignored by rock stations. |
| 186 | ** For many fans of rock music, the entire 21st century has been one long Audience-Alienating Era that saw rock music slowly recede from the public eye. During the 2000s, the American genre mainstream was dominated by PostGrunge, which, like HairMetal before it, became TheScrappy of rock subgenres for its StrictlyFormula sound and [[SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll increasingly hedonistic lyrics]], with its stranglehold on rock radio being seen as having smothered creativity within the genre. On the edges of the mainstream, the newly-commercial EmoMusic was bitterly polarizing, bands in the PostPunk revival scene were critical darlings whose success often amounted to "that band your {{hipster}} friend won't shut up about", and while metal was still thriving and had its own passionate fans and scenes, it grew increasingly separate from the rest of the rock world. In the UK, meanwhile, the post-punk revival swept through the stagnant post-{{Britpop}} rock world and made {{indie|Pop}} the dominant strain of rock by mid-decade -- whereupon it earned a reputation near-identical to that of PostGrunge in the US, with derisive terms like "landfill indie" used to describe the [[FollowTheLeader many copycat bands]] trying to imitate the success of bands like Music/ArcticMonkeys. By the 2010s, the stagnation of rock music on both sides of UsefulNotes/ThePond reached a tipping point, causing the collapse of many of the genre's biggest bands, with pop, HipHop, ElectronicMusic, and even (in the US) CountryMusic rushing in to fill the resulting vacuum. By that point, rock and their respective scenes became more fragmented than ever before, to the point that any overlap within them is often met with culture clash. The mood among music critics and journalists, and even some rock musicians, has been one of [[https://newrepublic.com/article/139572/happened-rock-music deep pessimism]] about the future of rock, with many of its biggest acts now being either older ([[GenreThrowback or otherwise]]) bands playing the ClassicRock nostalgia circuit or newer ones that often [[GenreBusting embrace so many influences from other genres]] that some have questioned their status as rock music. |
| 187 | * As for one of rock's most famous offshoots, PunkRock, saying that "punk is dead" has been a meme within the culture almost from the moment punk got big. The 2000s, however, are usually not remembered fondly by punk enthusiasts. Much like with metal in the late '80s, the '00s are remembered as [[PopPunk when punk went pop]], trading rebellion and social consciousness for catchy hooks and lyrics designed to pander to teenagers. Fans of EmoMusic in particular remember the decade as that genre's SellOut period. In hindsight, the music from this era also [[https://medium.com/athena-talks/where-is-your-boy-tonight-misogyny-in-pop-punk-669eccedc811 caught flak]] for [[MisogynySong misogynistic lyrics]] that seemed rooted in a DoggedNiceGuy view of women and relationships, especially in contrast to previous feminist-leaning punk and AlternativeRock subgenres like {{grunge}}, to the point where the frontmen of the two leading bands of the latter genre, Music/KurtCobain and [[Music/PearlJam Eddie Vedder]], declared their support for women's rights. For many, the end of punk's mainstream success late in the decade was the best thing to ever happen to it, at least from a creative standpoint. That said, the "Warped Tour era" of punk is also liable to invoke nostalgia from 2000s kids who grew up with it (another similarity with late '80s HairMetal), particularly from those who saw its rebellion as more personal than political, chiefly in its rejection of the [[TestosteronePoisoning standards of masculinity]] prevalent in contemporary pop culture. 2000s emo especially has come in for nostalgic reappraisal on these grounds, and its tropes and styles wound up making a comeback in a big way through HipHop, of all genres, in the late '10s. |
| 188 | * Music/{{Aerosmith}}: |
| 189 | ** After becoming one of America's most successful bands in the '70s, Aerosmith went through one of music's most famous examples in the 80's, following Joe Perry and Brad Whitford's departures in 1979 and 1981, respectively. Their two albums released during this period, ''Night In The Ruts'' and ''Rock In A Hard Place'', don't exist in any greatest hits compilations. When Joe and Brad returned, they had fallen so far that the subsequent album ''Done With Mirrors'' was ignored, and it took a hip-hop collaboration with Music/RunDMC and 1987's ''Permanent Vacation'' to return them back to the spotlight. Their success since then has managed to be greater than their 70's heyday, and is considered the greatest comeback story in popular music history. |
| 190 | ** Their stuff post ''Nine Lives'' is looked upon by many (even the band themselves) as a second Audience-Alienating Era which continues today, depending on how you feel about "Legendary Child". |
| 191 | ** In a way, the early '80s were a personal Audience-Alienating Era for Joe Perry himself, as he tried going at it solo and went nowhere until rejoining Music/{{Aerosmith}}. |
| 192 | * There's argument over whether Music/{{AFI}} entered this or left it by switching their sound from hardcore punk to new wave glam rock. |
| 193 | * Music/TheBeachBoys: |
| 194 | ** By 1966, the Beach Boys were regarded as one of the top innovators of pop music [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff (albeit mostly in the UK)]] with the release of their revolutionary album ''Music/PetSounds''. Music/BrianWilson, the band's leader (and the member most creatively involved in the making of ''Pet Sounds''), intended to follow up with an album called ''Music/{{Smile|TheBeachBoys}}''. [[TroubledProduction Long story short,]] the project fell apart due to a multitude of factors (a few of which include Brian's rapidly declining mental health at the time and, depending on who you ask, Music/MikeLove) and a stripped-down version called ''Music/SmileySmile'' was released in its place, to the disappointment of many (although the album has since been VindicatedByHistory), and [[CreatorBreakdown it all went downhill from there.]] |
| 195 | ** Brian rapidly withdrew from the band from that point on, and his brothers, Carl and Music/DennisWilson, rapidly took over leading the band for him as their songwriting abilities grew. This led to some cult-classics like ''Music/WildHoney'' and ''Music/{{Sunflower}}'' [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic (the latter being considered to be one of the Boys' greatest albums)]]. Unfortunately, they were never able to achieve the same commercial success as their 1960s hits, nor did their albums come close to being as critically revered as ''Pet Sounds''. |
| 196 | ** By 1973, Carl and Dennis' leadership diminished due to substance abuse and Dennis' struggling battle with his own inner demons, and in 1976, an attempt was made to bring Brian back to the band's forefront, which included making him tour with the Beach Boys again (he previously quit touring with them in 1965 due to mental health issues) and produce several more albums. The result was the underwhelming ''15 Big Ones'' and the [[BrokenBase love-it-or-hate-it]] ''The Beach Boys Love You''. Brian quickly receded back into the background as it quickly became clear that he was in no shape to continue touring or produce anymore Beach Boys albums, and spent the remainder of the 70s and most of the 80s undergoing therapy by the [[ControlFreak infamous]] [[PsychoPsychologist Eugene Landy]]. |
| 197 | ** At this point, Mike Love had taken role of the leader, and many fans agree that the band quickly went downhill under his leadership. Throughout this period, the Boys released a series of increasingly hated and poorly selling albums (including a thinly-veiled attempt at catering to the disco crowd during the disco backlash), while their 1960s chart-toppers (in addition to "Heroes and Villains" and songs from ''Pet Sounds'') dominated their live set to attract the nostalgic crowd. The death of Dennis Wilson in 1983 also served to be a serious blow to the band. Their reputation rapidly declined further, and by the end of the 70s, the Beach Boys were looked down upon by the mainstream as a [[AccidentalPun washed-up]] oldies band. |
| 198 | ** However, in the mid-to-late-80s, the band managed to briefly propel themselves back into relevancy with their 1988 hit single "Kokomo", which was famously featured in the Creator/TomCruise movie ''Film/{{Cocktail}}''. It reached No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100, although these days it's considered to be one of their worst songs. Mike Love, in an attempt to make lightning strike twice, spearheaded production for their 1992 album ''Summer in Paradise'' (their first and only album without ''any'' involvement from Brian Wilson whatsoever), intended by Love to be "the quintessential soundtrack of summer". It was promoted with the band guest-appearing on the popular sitcom ''Series/FullHouse'' (with one of the actors from the show, Creator/JohnStamos, singing a reworked version of "Forever" on the album) and performing the album's lead single, "Summer of Love", on the action drama series ''Series/{{Baywatch}}''. Despite the band's best efforts, the album bombed spectacularly (selling only around 10,000 copies ever) and is considered to be the band's absolute worst album. |
| 199 | ** The band attempted to follow up with a cover album of old Beach Boys songs sung by country singers, this time with Brian Wilson's (who was recently separated from Landy and administered proper treatment for his mental illnesses) involvement, albeit with little input from him. The result was ''Stars and Stripes Vol. 1'', which was a critical and commercial failure, failing to break the Billboard 200. [[FranchiseKiller Any further Beach Boys projects were shelved indefinitely]], and Carl Wilson died two years after the release of the album. The band limped through the 2000s as a live band while Brian Wilson distanced himself from the Beach Boys and went on to have a successful solo career ([[SavedFromDevelopmentHell including the completion and release of the long awaited]] ''[[SavedFromDevelopmentHell SMiLE]]''.) |
| 200 | ** In short, the Beach Boys slowly went from one of the most critically acclaimed rock acts of all time to the industry laughing stock and back, and is presumed to be the reason why so many Beach Boys fans ''deeply'' resent Mike Love. While the albums that came after ''Pet Sounds'' and before ''15 Big Ones'' went on to become cult classics ([[BrokenBase again, YMMV on]] ''[[BrokenBase Love You]]''), people prefer to forget about anything they did after that. However, they finally climbed out of the audience-alienating era with the well-recieved 2012 reunion album ''That's Why God Made the Radio''. |
| 201 | * Music/Blink182: |
| 202 | ** 2010's ''Neighborhoods'', the first album that the band recorded after ending their hiatus, endured a TroubledProduction, with all of the band's members choosing to record their parts separately due to both their schedules and lingering friction between them, communicating primarily through emails and their managers and only rarely recording together. It shows, with many fans deriding the album as stale, bland, too similar-sounding to Tom [=DeLonge=]'s side project Music/AngelsAndAirwaves, and feeling as though [[CreatorsApathy nobody involved was all that interested in making it]], an accusation that Travis Barker and Mark Hoppus themselves [[https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/blink-182s-hoppus-barker-blast-ungrateful-disingenuous-tom-delonge-20150126 later lodged at DeLonge.]] The album's failure led to blink-182 getting dropped from Interscope and [=DeLonge=] leaving the band, to be replaced by Matt Skiba of Music/AlkalineTrio. That said, a number of fans have [[VindicatedByHistory come around]] on ''Neighborhoods'' since then, praising it for trying something new compared to their subsequent album with Skiba... |
| 203 | ** ...2016's ''California'', which was and remains [[BrokenBase deeply divisive]]. While many fans praised it as a return to form and felt that Skiba was a great replacement for [=DeLonge=], others missed [=DeLonge=]'s presence and thought that the band was just [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks coasting on their old formula]]. Hoppus didn't help matters when he [[DearNegativeReader mocked]] fans who disliked John Feldmann's production on the record. Regardless, it was a commercial success, becoming their second number one album (after 2001's ''Take Off Your Pants and Jacket'') and being nominated for a MediaNotes/GrammyAward for Best Rock Album (their first such nomination). |
| 204 | ** Their following album, 2019's more experimental ''Nine'', was criticized from the opposite direction, seen as a drastic departure that abandoned the "Punk" part of PopPunk. The lead single "Blame It on My Youth" in particular met a scathing reception. What's more, the tour to support the album saw ''Music/LilWayne'', [[OddCouple of all people]], as co-headliner, which led to a TroubledProduction as Wayne no-showed multiple concerts and was just as puzzled by the pairing as many Blink fans were, even almost quitting entirely nine shows in. |
| 205 | * The Music/BlueOysterCult's ''Mirrors'' album, a deliberate move into a softer more pop-rock and above all commercial style, is thought of as this by most fans. That it succeeded the hard-rocking ''Music/{{Spectres}}'', thought of as one of their greatest albums, only added to the dissappointment. The band were perceived as returning to form afterwards with ''Cultosaurus Erectus'' and ''Fire of Unkonwn Origin'', but ''Mirrors'' remains their Audience-Alienating Era. And the least said about the later ''Imaginos'', the better. |
| 206 | * While Music/DavidBowie's fandom is inevitably as variable in opinion as his output is in sound, general consensus is that 1983-1992 was not a good time for him. While ''Music/LetsDance'' was his biggest commercial success and boosted his fame to new heights, it was a sharply ContestedSequel compared to ''Music/ScaryMonstersAndSuperCreeps'', and Bowie's attempts at appeasing the NewbieBoom it brought led to a self-admitted bout of CreatorsApathy. Several side projects only invited further press mockery, and Bowie's attempts at breaking out of it all with the hard rock group Tin Machine only split hairs further despite initial hype. Some of his work from this era got VindicatedByHistory with time, but the vast majority of it marked a huge critical downturn from the stuff he did before and after it all. |
| 207 | * Music/JohnCale of the Music/VelvetUnderground was a drug-addled, overweight, mentally-unwell shell of his former self for a period in the early to mid-eighties. Fortunately, he cleaned himself up, but not before filming some very embarrassing live performances. |
| 208 | * Music/FallOutBoy's fanbase is a [[BrokenBase notoriously broken one]], but one thing that most of them can agree on is that their first three albums (2003's ''Take This to Your Grave'', 2005's ''From Under the Cork Tree'', and 2007's ''Infinity on High'') are their best albums, and that the late '00s and '10s were not kind to them. |
| 209 | ** 2008's ''Folie à Deux'' [[CreatorKiller caused the band to go on hiatus]] thanks to how much the fans hated it, rejecting its [[NewSoundAlbum departures]] from the band's PopPunk and {{emo|Music}} roots in favor of greater theatricality, more complex musical arrangements, and heavier themes, most notably a political message that came off as half-baked and out of its depth. During the tour to support the album, the band got booed by fans who wanted them to play their old music instead, an experience that Patrick Stump compared to being "the last act at the vaudeville show" and getting [[ProducePelting pelted with vegetables]]. |
| 210 | ** After reuniting, their 2013 album ''Save Rock and Roll'' was heavily informed by their reactions to the backlash to ''Folie à Deux'', with a very strong TakeThatAudience streak running through it. Unlike ''Folie à Deux'', it was a hit that supplied them with a CareerResurrection, but it was a [[BrokenBase divisive]] one, with fans seeing it as either a welcome return for the band as it aggressively reasserted its place in the rock landscape or a pissy response to both changing trends in popular music (especially the IndiePop and HipHop booms of the early 2010s) and their own fanbase for seemingly leaving them behind. 2015's ''American Beauty/American Psycho'', meanwhile, was criticized as directionless and feeling like it was comprised of castoff songs from ''Save Rock and Roll'', while their increasingly commercial nature post-reunion, particularly their heavy touring schedule and merchandising, caused many fans to feel that they had [[MoneyDearBoy sold out]]. |
| 211 | ** Even many fans, however, will take ''AB/AP'' over 2018's ''MANIA''. From the moment its lead single "Young and Menace" was released, fans and critics alike condemned the album as the worst of Fall Out Boy's careers, feeling that they had all but abandoned their roots entirely in favor of half-heartedly chasing the [[ElectronicDanceMusic EDM]] and IndiePop bandwagons. Their following album, 2023's ''So Much (For) Stardust'', was praised as [[WinBackTheCrowd a return to form]] that brought the band back to its roots, seemingly pulling them out of their slump for now. |
| 212 | * Music/FleetwoodMac has had two. The first one was the early-mid '70s period with Bob Welch and between Peter Green's departure and the addition of Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. The second was the period between Buckingham's departure and the reformation of the ''Rumours''-era lineup in 1997. |
| 213 | * Those Music/GangOfFour fans who preferred their rougher, harsher, punkier edge in albums such as ''Entertainment'' feel this way about their 1984 album ''Hard'', which was funkier and poppier than anything they'd released before. Others see ''Hard'' as a catchy, logical extension of the musical themes explored in their previous album, ''Songs of the Free'' (which included their most famous song, "I Love a Man in a Uniform"). |
| 214 | * Depending on who you ask, Music/{{Genesis|Band}}[='=]s Audience-Alienating Era began either after the release of their biggest hit album to date, ''Invisible Touch'', or after Music/PeterGabriel left as lead vocalist and was replaced with drummer Music/PhilCollins. They had begun moving away from their ProgressiveRock roots by the time Collins took over in favor of a more mainstream pop sound, but things really started going south when Collins launched a solo career whilst still performing for Genesis, causing him to over-saturate the pop charts throughout the 1980's. The saturation reached its nadir with ''Invisible Touch'', which, despite generally positive reception, was noted by critics and fans as being very similar to Collins' solo work, and loyal Genesis fans began accusing the band of being sellouts and gradually abandoning them, many of whom longing for the period of Gabriel as vocalist. 1991's ''We Can't Dance'', while also generally well-received, only got one Top 10 single "I Can't Dance", and by this point AlternativeRock was gradually overtaking the rock charts and acts like Genesis were dismissed as too mainstream (not helped by Collins' presence). It came of no surprise, then, when Collins left the group five years later, leaving them without any driving force to handle what would ultimately be their last album, ''Calling All Stations'', which flopped and was completely forgotten by the time Genesis announced their split. |
| 215 | * Music/GreenDay, a band that's been going strong for well over twenty years, naturally has some albums that aren't as fondly remembered as others. |
| 216 | ** Their 2000 album ''Music/{{Warning}}'' was considered to be this at the time of its release, its GenreShift into {{Folk|Music}}, SkaPunk, and SurfRock as opposed to the PopPunk that made them famous leaving longtime fans polarized and the band fading from mainstream popularity. The sales disappointment of ''Warning'' exacerbated pre-existing tensions within the band, leading the trio to wonder if they should even keep going, especially after they released the GreatestHitsAlbum ''International Superhits!'' in 2001 -- a move that they themselves outright called "an invitation to midlife crisis". However, ''Warning'' has since come to be VindicatedByHistory for its songwriting, with some critics even calling it one of their ''best'' albums in hindsight. |
| 217 | ** Nowadays, fans generally view the ''¡Uno! ¡Dos! ¡Tré!'' trilogy of albums in 2012 as Green Day's creative low point. Coming off of their CareerResurrection in the mid-late '00s with ''Music/AmericanIdiot'' and ''Music/TwentyFirstCenturyBreakdown'', the three albums marked the band's most ambitious undertaking to date, with each album a GenreThrowback to a different style of classic rock (PowerPop, GarageRock, and ArenaRock respectively) in addition to expanding the band from a trio to a quartet when touring guitarist Jason White became the [[SixthRanger fourth member]] of the band. However, critics and fans alike saw the project as a regression from the themes of their two prior {{concept album}}s back into juvenilia and adolescent angst, which came off as far less convincing when [[{{Manchild}} all of the band's members were pushing forty]]. The staggered release schedule of the three albums (they were all released separately within weeks of one another, rather than as one triple-album) also prevented singles from gaining traction on the radio before a new bunch of Green Day songs came to push them off. Even Billie Joe Armstrong sees ''¡Uno! ¡Dos! ¡Tré!'' as an OldShame, saying that the band was directionless and [[https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/green_days_armstrong_admits_it_uno_dos_tre_trilogy_is_crap.html "prolific for the sake of it"]] and arguing that his drug abuse at the time affected the albums' quality. Their 2016 follow-up ''Revolution Radio'' wasn't particularly acclaimed, but it was still seen as [[WinBackTheCrowd a return to form]], and they and their fans haven't looked back. |
| 218 | ** A lot of fans have considered their 2020 album ''Father of All...'' to be this as it was not well-received for its attempt at being a back-to-basics garage rock album as well as its lyrics and [[ItsShortSoItSucks short runtime]]. |
| 219 | * Music/{{Heart|Band}} went through one during the early 1980s. After an acrimonious split from Mushroom Records and the departure of Roger Fisher from the band's lineup, the Wilson sisters released three albums that were met with lukewarm reception and poor sales, especially 1982's ''Private Audition''. Struggling to find stability, Heart appeared to be relics of the '70s by the time Creator/{{MTV}} started blowing up. Things sharply turned around, however, once they moved to Creator/CapitolRecords and released their 1985 SelfTitledAlbum. Despite the band adopting a more commercial sound and image, the record was easily their biggest critical triumph since the '70s, in addition to becoming their most commercially successful album, with four top 10 hits and a 5x Platinum certification in the US. While their two subsequent albums, ''Bad Animals'' and ''Brigade'', weren't as well received, they both continued the band's renewed commercial success (including a belated breakthrough in the UK) and are generally considered stronger albums than their early '80s output, which scarcely gets played at live shows anymore. |
| 220 | * Music/BillyIdol went through one of these in the early '90s. Faced with waning popularity and flagging album sales, he attempted to reinvent his image (and cash in on the emergent hacker[=/=]{{cyberpunk}} subculture) in 1993 by replacing his [[EightiesHair bleached-blonde spiky haircut]] with bleached-blonde dreadlocks and releasing the album ''Cyberpunk'', a fusion of glam rock and electronic dance music. With the exception of the single "Shock to the System" (which was closer in style to his earlier work), the album's songs consisted of overwrought synthesizer riffs, pretentious monologues, and lines lifted directly from Creator/WilliamGibson novels. The album flopped hard: critics universally panned it, Billy's old fans were left feeling betrayed, and real cyberpunk fans saw him as a hopeless poser. Even though the album has managed to acquire a cult following in the following years, it's still universally agreed that the cover of the Music/VelvetUnderground's "Heroin" that appeared on this album is the absolute ''worst'' version of the song ever recorded. |
| 221 | * Much of the Music/{{Japan}} fan base is divided between those who preferred their glam rock era (''Adolescent Sex'', ''Obscure Alternatives'', et. al.) and those who preferred their New Wave/New Romantic era (e.g. ''Gentlemen Take Polaroids'' and ''Tin Drum''). David Sylvian himself considers the debut album (1977's ''Adolescent Sex'') "{{old shame}}" and his whole solo career has been an extension of the musical themes first explored with ''Tin Drum'', from the Eastern musical elements to the esoteric lyrics about such things as inner pain and loneliness. |
| 222 | * Who knew that Music/{{KISS}}, the hottest band in the world, could be so plagued by a long history of bad career decisions? |
| 223 | ** It's often ignored that KISS was pretty obscure in their first year or so. [[DeadHorseGenre Glam rock was on its way out in the United States]] by 1974 (even Music/AliceCooper was moving away from it), and [[Music/KissAlbum KISS's debut album]] was [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff more popular in Japan than in the US.]] They only broke out with ''Music/DressedToKill'', the point where they refined the live theatrics they've become so famous for. |
| 224 | ** By ''Music/LoveGun'', the band realized their [[CashCowFranchise merchandising potential]] and promptly became overexposed, with a comic book series, a pinball machine and a [[SoBadItsGood hilariously bad]] [[Film/KISSMeetsThePhantomOfThePark TV movie]], culminating in ''Music/{{Dynasty|Album}}'', their own failed attempt at cashing in on the disco craze of the late 1970s. |
| 225 | ** In 1981, they tried, of all things, to make a ProgressiveRock ConceptAlbum in ''Music/MusicFromTheElder"'', created as the soundtrack to a movie that never came to light. ''That'' album was forgotten soon enough.[[note]][[VindicatedByHistory However,]] "A World Without Heroes" is in their Creator/{{MTV}} Unplugged live album, and in 2004 they tried to perform "I" but had forgotten the lyrics.[[/note]] |
| 226 | ** Their period without facepaint. It started off well with ''Music/LickItUp'', whose title track is a concert staple. But the band struggled afterwards aside from the odd hit like "Forever", "God Gave Rock 'n' Roll to You II" or "Crazy Crazy Nights", with audiences only embracing KISS again with ''Music/PsychoCircus'', that brought back the classic line-up and the make-up. |
| 227 | * Fans of the Music/DaveMatthewsBand generally hate the albums ''Stand Up'' and ''Everyday'' for leaning towards a mainstream pop sound. |
| 228 | * In a rare case by [[OldShame the band's own admission]], Music/{{Oasis}} had at least one of these. Noel Gallagher writes off much of the late '90s output, and also chunks of the mid '00s. On a greatest hits DVD, he even went so far as to ask why somebody didn't just to tell them to "stop". |
| 229 | * Music/PearlJam fans usually feel that the band had two of them. (which ironically followed an intentional alienation, down to issuing the experimental "Who You Are" as a single to keep the size of the band's audience down) |
| 230 | ** The first one took place from 1998 to 2002 (known as the "black" era because of the album covers), give or take a couple years. For many longtime fans, ''Yield'' was rather structured and post-grungey, ''Binaural'' was spacey and samey, and ''Riot Act'' veered too far into strange genres (folk, punk, Middle Eastern music, et cetera), [[UncommonTime odd time signatures]], and the overly confrontational and mean-spirited UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush criticism piece "Bu$hleaguer". Their self-titled 2006 effort, which largely returned to the band's roots, was better received and spawned more hits. |
| 231 | ** Many fans consider the band to have been in a second one since 2012 or so, with their song "Olé!" considered uncharacteristically derivative and their following album ''Lightning Bolt'' (on which the song did not appear) bland and forgettable, though their 2020 album ''Gigaton'' was better received than ''Lightning Bolt''. |
| 232 | * Being a LongRunner band with several distinct career "phases," it's only inevitable that Music/PinkFloyd would have several periods regarded as this by fans: |
| 233 | ** The period between frontman Syd Barrett's departure in 1968 and the band's release of 1973's ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon'' is sometimes considered one of these. Understandable, since Barrett was responsible for virtually all of the band's material before he left. |
| 234 | ** A more unanimous consensus among fans is that, like with many 60's and 70's acts, the 80's were not a good time for Pink Floyd, largely due to the escalating inter-band drama during that time that bled into their output, with the [[Music/TheFinalCut two]] [[Music/AMomentaryLapseOfReason albums]] of new material that decade being their most divisive. The audience-alienating era is generally considered to have ended with the release of ''Music/TheDivisionBell'' in 1994, though the band's dissolution shortly after and the release of the similarly hair-splitting finale ''Music/TheEndlessRiver'' in 2014 leaves most fans to regard ''The Division Bell'' as more a brief respite from a creative decline rather than a true age-ender. |
| 235 | ** There is also a vocal part of the fanbase that specifically considers the three albums from after Roger Waters left to be an Audience-Alienating Era, though again, opinions differ considerably (generally, somewhat more bile is spewed at ''Music/AMomentaryLapseOfReason'' than at ''Music/TheDivisionBell''). Waters himself described ''Momentary Lapse'' as a "pretty fair forgery." Then again, Waters accused anything Gilmour did with the Floyd post-1985 as a "forgery" (except ''The Division Bell'', which was instead upgraded to "rubbish" and "nonsense from beginning to end"), given the band's in-fighting and power struggles. Waters' ''Radio KAOS'' from 1987 was equally '80s synth-driven, and later the production values became an OldShame to him. |
| 236 | * Music/ElvisPresley: |
| 237 | ** The peak of Elvis' career ended when he was drafted into the US Army in 1958, but when he completed his service in 1960, he seemed poised for a comeback. Unfortunately, his manager Colonel Tom Parker pushed him into a film career, which saw him star in a long string of StrictlyFormula musical comedies that, while mostly successful at the box office, were almost universally panned by critics. Worse, the heavy production schedule (he was making two or three movies a year for the whole of TheSixties) was cutting into his music career. Most of the hits he had in the '60s came from the soundtracks to his movies, which were met with diminishing returns starting mid-decade as UsefulNotes/TheBritishInvasion caused his style of RockAndRoll, already quite sanitized by then compared to the edge of his GloryDays, to feel increasingly out-of-date. Until his [[Music/ElvisNBCTVSpecial televised comeback special in 1968]], he did not perform live after 1961 and only recorded one album of non-soundtrack music after 1962. By the time his career bottomed out with the failure of the film ''Clambake'' and its soundtrack in 1967, music enthusiasts saw him as a joke and his former fans saw him as a has-been. His comeback special inspired a CareerResurrection, and while he never again enjoyed the mega-stardom he had in TheFifties (Music/JohnLennon, upon Elvis' passing, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoJAdTuFMh0 remarked]] that Elvis "died when he went in the Army" and that the rest of his career was [[FranchiseZombie a "living death"]]), he still found success as a {{country|Music}} and adult contemporary musician. By the time he died in 1977, he had regained his position as pop music royalty and the King of Rock & Roll. |
| 238 | ** That said, the last few years of his life, often derisively referred to as the "Fat Elvis" period (a term [[http://www.recmusicbeatles.com/public/files/bbs/jl_yo.playboy/lennon4.html popularized]] by Lennon), are remembered as a pretty ignoble way for a legend to go out. Starting in 1973, Elvis' health went into decline due to both drug addiction and a very heavy touring and production schedule, and before long, he was stumbling out of limousines high on barbiturates; after Elvis' autopsy, his doctor saw his license to practice medicine suspended for three months due to all the sedatives, amphetamines, and narcotics he had prescribed the singer. His divorce from his wife Priscilla also took a steep toll on his finances, leaving him less able to afford his extravagant lifestyle. A 1976 show in [[UsefulNotes/NewYorkState Syracuse, New York]] went down in history for all the wrong reasons when the ''Syracuse Post-Dispatch'' published [[http://www.syracuse.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/08/fat_puffy_has-been_elvis_panned_in_syracuse_video.html a scathing review]] calling him a "fat, puffy has-been" who [[CreatorsApathy seemed to be going through the motions]], while numerous other shows were canceled outright due to Elvis not being in good enough health to perform. That same year, Elvis' father Vernon, by that point also his ''de facto'' manager, fired three bodyguards who had been members of Elvis' "Memphis Mafia" clique, leading them to co-write a tell-all book called ''Elvis: What Happened?'' that came out shortly before his death in 1977. As [[UndignifiedDeath the final insult]], when Elvis finally died on August 16, it was in one of the bathrooms at his Graceland estate, leading to a popular {{urban legend|s}} claiming that he had died while sitting on the toilet (and many jokes about "the King on his throne"). |
| 239 | * Music/{{Queen|Band}}: The one-two punch of ''Flash Gordon'' and ''Music/HotSpace'' drove away many listeners thanks to how different they were than their predecessors. The former was a mostly {{instrumental|s}}, synth-driven film soundtrack that got billed as a canon Queen album, while the latter made a hard shift into {{disco}}, which particularly hurt their American standing in light of the country's massive backlash against the genre. Queen would recover in Europe after their UsefulNotes/LiveAid performance in 1985, but further PR blunders ensured that their American standing would remain low until just before Music/FreddieMercury died. ''Flash Gordon'' and ''Hot Space'' would also cast a large pall on the band's following albums: even today, many fans rank ''Music/{{The Game|Queen}}'' as either the last truly great Queen album or the end of the band's golden age before a last-minute rebound with ''Music/{{Innuendo}}''. |
| 240 | * [[Music/TheRamones Dee Dee Ramone]]'s 1989 rap album ''Standing in the Spotlight'', recorded as "Dee Dee King". The only thing of value to come from it was the song "The Crusher", which was revived for the Ramones' last studio album, ''Adios Amigos.'' |
| 241 | * Though opinions on Music/{{REM}}'s Creator/WarnerBrosRecords output repeatedly shifted with time, the period after Bill Berry's departure in 1997 is still regarded as a step down compared to earlier material. As the band were a democratic unit who had everyone contribute to the songwriting, losing a member was, in their own words, like cutting off a dog's leg. While the first "trio" album, ''Music/{{Up|REMAlbum}}'', got VindicatedByHistory, ''Music/{{Reveal}}'' remains somewhat divisive and ''Music/AroundTheSun'' is widely seen as R.E.M.'s nadir by fans, critics, and the band themselves. Fans tend to list ''Music/{{Accelerate}}'' and ''Music/CollapseIntoNow'', the band's last two albums, as what broke them out of the audience-alienating era. |
| 242 | * Music/{{The Rolling Stones|Band}}: On the whole, the group's output in TheEighties is seen as this. After starting the decade strong with 1980's ''Music/EmotionalRescue'' and 1981's ''Music/TattooYou'', their next two albums, 1983's ''Music/{{Undercover}}'' and 1986's ''Music/DirtyWork'', got mixed reviews. ''Dirty Work'', while producing a top-5 novelty with a cover of Bob & Earl's "Harlem Shuffle", was recorded during [[HostilityOnTheSet a bitter strain in the]] Music/MickJagger[=/=]Music/KeithRichards [[HostilityOnTheSet partnership]], with Keith disapproving so highly of Mick's interest on solo efforts coupled with his refusal to tour with the Stones that the strain nearly led to the group's breakup. Three years later, in 1989, Mick and Keith finally buried the hatchet, quickly reuniting the band to record a new album, ''Music/SteelWheels'', which debuted at #3 and produced both a successful tour and the band's final major U.S. hit in "Mixed Emotions". |
| 243 | * Some fans of Music/{{Rush|Band}} look at their mid '80s[[note]]from ''Signals'', to ''Hold Your Fire''[[/note]] output as this due to the increased use of synthesizers, shorter song lengths, and lyrical subject matter focusing more on contemporary social commentary as opposed to the more philosophical themes of their earlier albums. Many fans do acknowledge [[VindicatedByHistory in retrospect]] that the band produced plenty of solid music during this period, but most fans still view their late 70's to early 80's work[[note]]from ''2112'', to ''Moving Pictures''[[/note]] with the highest esteem. |
| 244 | * Music/{{Slade}}'s Audience-Alienating Era started with the 1976 album "Nobody's Fools", a calculated attempt to appeal to American tastes (inspired by soul, blues rock and folk rock) which completely backfired, not only failing to find an audience in the States, but also all but destroying their career in the UK and Europe. The next four years would see a succession of desperate and often bizarre attempts at re-engaging the mainstream audience-- Elvis covers, a football record, even notoriously the "Okey Cokey"-- before their set at the 1980 Reading Festival brought them to a new hard rock / metal audience and a career resurrection that lasted into the mid-80s. |
| 245 | * Some fans of Music/SleepingWithSirens hold ''Gossip'' in lower regard than their previous albums, largely due to straying away from the band's PostHardcore roots into a much more pop-inspired sound. To the delight of these fans, their next album, ''How It Feels To Be Lost'', would take a sharp swerve in the other direction. |
| 246 | * Most fans of Music/TheSmashingPumpkins, despite differences in opinion on the later material, would like to pretend that ''Zeitgeist'' [[FanonDiscontinuity never happened]]. ''Teargarden by Kaleidyscope'' appeared to be shaping up to be one until it was canceled. |
| 247 | * Music/{{Supertramp}} and former co-leader Roger Hodgson tried desperately to update their sound in the mid-to-late '80s with then-modern synthesizers, drum machines, and '80s production techniques, with not always successful results. In Hodgson's case, not long after he released his synth-heavy, L.A. session musician-laden 1987 solo album ''Hai Hai'', he sadly [[CareerEndingInjury fell out of a hammock and broke both his wrists, with doctors telling him that he would not be able to play music again]]. With therapy and determination, Hodgson got better, and returned to performing and recording by 1997, more fully embracing his classic styles and sounds. |
| 248 | * Fans tend to hold Music/TalkingHeads' latter-day albums in lower regard than their predecessors. In the case of ''Music/TrueStories'', this is attributable to its relatively straightforward rock sound far-removed from their other, more eclectic albums (not to mention that it was solely the product of ExecutiveMeddling). ''Music/{{Naked}}'' meanwhile is better-regarded, but still divisive due to a belief that it's still aimless compared to the band's best works, with the single "(Nothing But) Flowers" being the only well-remembered song off of it (and even then it had to be VindicatedByHistory). Finally, ''No Talking, Just Head'' is even less popular than the above two with fans, critics, and the band themselves thanks to it being a TheBandMinusTheFace album with even less of a sense of direction. |
| 249 | * Music/TearsForFears suffered a one-album Audience-Alienating Era in the form of 1995's ''Raoul and the Kings of Spain''. While Roland Orzabal managed to score a hit album minus Curt Smith with the preceding release, 1993's ''Elemental'', and the 1995 album contained solidly good music, ''Raoul'' was a little bit too conceptual for some people and it basically flew under the radar. The band's next album (which featured the return of Smith), however, 2004's ''Everybody Loves a Happy Ending'', was much better regarded. |
| 250 | * Opinions differ on whether this applies to Music/TheyMightBeGiants and their move away from their classic backing tape sound into a full band during the mid-90s. After the critical and commercial success of the albums ''Flood'' and ''Apollo 18'' they recruited live backing musicians for the release of 94's ''John Henry'' and 96's ''Factory Showroom.'' Fan and critical opinions of the records were muted at the time of their release, and due to their label Elektra's inability to market the albums they were not commercial successes. ([[VindicatedByHistory As time has gone by both albums have gained increased respect from TMBG's fanbase]], with guitarist John Flansburgh going on record to state that ''Factory Showroom'' is his favorite band release.) By the early 00's the band had worked the kinks out of their new sound, and went on to new acclaim from critics and fans, culminating in their first Billboard Top 40-charting album, 2012's ''Join Us.'' |
| 251 | * Music/TokioHotel with the Humanoid Album. Arguably, that is. The band both lost and gained fans with this album, though it seems to be more on the lost side. |
| 252 | * Music/{{U2}} has had three notable cases of this: |
| 253 | ** After a run of growing popularity in The80s that culminated in the towering critical and commercial success of their 1987 album ''Music/TheJoshuaTree'', the band followed it up with 1988's ''Music/RattleAndHum'', a live/studio album that served as a tribute to Americana music and was accompanied by the documentary of the same name. Unfortunately, despite selling well, critics and fans ridiculed the album and documentary and felt that the band, by putting out a project of this sort so early in their careers, were brashly attempting to put themselves among the ranks of the very legends they were paying tribute to, thus earning them an image as vapid, pretentious, and egotistical. Fortunately, they followed up ''Rattle and Hum'' with 1991's ''Music/AchtungBaby'', a NewSoundAlbum rooted in AlternativeDance that, despite a very TroubledProduction that nearly broke up the band, did much better with critics and fans and is widely considered one of their best (if not their best) albums, thus serving as their CareerResurrection. |
| 254 | ** Following the success of ''Achtung Baby'' as well as the moderate success of 1993's ''Music/{{Zooropa}}'', the band suffered another era with the releases of 1995's ''Original Soundtracks 1'' and 1997's ''Music/{{Pop|Album}}''. The former, a collaboration album with longtime producer Music/BrianEno as Passengers, went ignored by critics and fans due to it being released under a pseudonym, while the latter was an electronic-heavy NewSoundAlbum that suffered a huge TroubledProduction and was ultimately delayed due to drummer Larry Mullen Jr.'s back problems and the departure of producer Nellee Hooper. Worse, the tour plans were booked by their manager Paul [=McGuinness=] before the album was finished, forcing them to rush it to completion. ''Pop'' divided critics and was seen as a disappointment, with the lead single "Discotheque" seen as trying too hard to stay relevant by critics. For their subsequent album, 2000's ''Music/AllThatYouCantLeaveBehind'', the band went back to their classic sound and successfully [[WinBackTheCrowd won back the crowd]]. Bono and the Edge have both expressed regret over the state that ''Pop'' was released in, calling it unfinished and rushed, and the band later rerecorded many of the singles from it. |
| 255 | ** After another run of success with ''All That You Can't Leave Behind'' and 2004's ''Music/HowToDismantleAnAtomicBomb'', 2009's ''Music/NoLineOnTheHorizon'' was considered a slight disappointment by the band themselves, even if it did spawn the very successful ''U2 360⁰'' tour. Unfortunately, the band's sense that they needed to regain their relevance led to their 2014 album ''Music/SongsOfInnocence'', which wound up OvershadowedByControversy thanks to a release strategy that saw it automatically given away to all iTunes users for free, prompting a major backlash to the point that Apple introduced a tool to remove the album for those who didn't want it. What's more, the actual music met a lukewarm reception from critics and fans, and it became their lowest selling album in years. The following album, 2017's ''Music/SongsOfExperience'', was seen as a slight improvement, though not enough to end said age. |
| 256 | * Ween's ''12 Golden Country Greats'' was probably a deliberate attempt to create one. After three albums of lo-fi genre-blending weirdness, no one could have predicted that the duo would recruit a full band and make a country record that, while still tongue-in-cheek, showed a lot of reverence for the genre. |
| 257 | ** A less deliberate example came with their 2003 album ''Quebec.'' The album has a fairly serious, downbeat tone (caused by frontman Gene Ween going through a divorce and drummer Claude Coleman Jr. recovering from a major car accident) and lacks a lot of the humor and genre experimentation that Ween is known for. Fans at the time were conflicted by the idea of "serious Ween". In the years since,''Quebec'' has undergone a lot of re-evaluation and some now call it Ween's best work because of its emotional intensity. |
| 258 | * Because of Music/{{Weezer}}'s notorious BrokenBase (summed up in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab5WvwfLuLM this sketch]] from ''Series/SaturdayNightLive''), a proper Audience-Alienating Era is hard to nail down and agree on. The only thing that all fans can agree on is that their first two albums, 1994's ''[[Music/WeezerTheBlueAlbum The Blue Album]]'' and 1996's ''Music/{{Pinkerton}}'', are near-untouchable and essential listening even for casual fans, but after that, things get sketchy. |
| 259 | ** Oddly enough, for the longest time Rivers Cuomo treated ''Pinkerton'' as the band's Audience-Alienating Era. It was an extremely personal record for him, and while it's [[VindicatedByHistory now recognized]] as one of the greatest {{emo|Music}} albums ever made, at the time of its release it was rejected by both critics and fans, a humiliation that drove Cuomo into a CreatorBreakdown. It would be years before Cuomo warmed up to it again. |
| 260 | ** The most vocal and famous part of the fanbase are those who write off everything from 2001's ''The Green Album'' until 2014's ''Everything Will Be Alright in the End'', which [[WinBackTheCrowd won back even the most jaded fans]]. To them, Cuomo's CreatorBreakdown after ''Pinkerton''[='=]s initial failure scarred Weezer's subsequent albums, causing the band to retreat into a gutless pop-rock shell that it would take over a decade to break out of. |
| 261 | ** Others think that the band didn't really fly off the rails until 2005's ''Make Believe'', arguing that ''The Green Album'' and 2002's ''Maladroit'' were both fun, well-made pop-rock records and that it wasn't until ''Make Believe'' that the band truly entered its trend-chasing SellOut period. |
| 262 | ** There's another part of the fandom that believe that just ''The Green Album'' was a minor AudienceAlienatingEra for the band due to its incredibly generic, formulaic music (down to the guitar solos following the vocal melodies note for note) and that ''Maladroit'' put the band back on track because it was more willing to be experimental and unconventional. |
| 263 | ** There are also those who see ''The Green Album'' and ''Maladroit'' as an Audience-Alienating Era but think that ''Make Believe'' actually ended it, arguing that leaning more in a pop direction was a welcome change from just trying to copy ''The Blue Album'' again. For what it's worth, ''Make Believe'' was a commercial success, handily outselling ''Maladroit'' and producing singles that still get regular radio airplay. |
| 264 | ** There's also another subset that see ''Raditude'' as the true SellOut period, and argue that ''Make Believe'' and ''The Red Album'' are actually underrated classics, save for some underwhelming songs from the period. |
| 265 | ** The band themselves seems to regard 2009's ''Raditude'' and 2010's ''Hurley'', at the very least, as an Audience-Alienating Era, directly apologizing for the dance-rock tracks on those albums in the single "Back to the Shack" off of ''Everything Will Be Alright in the End''. To quote the lyrics: |
| 266 | --->"I'm sorry guys I didn't realize\ |
| 267 | That I needed you so much\ |
| 268 | I thought I'd get a new audience\ |
| 269 | I forgot that {{Disco sucks}}." |
| 270 | ** Then some fans argued that they slipped into ''another'' Audience-Alienating Era with ''Pacific Daydream'', which gleefully and completely abandoned the crunchy guitars of past records in favor of a new keyboard-heavy pop sound not unlike many hits on the radio. To many fans, this was a complete betrayal of the themeing they've established on their past two albums and was seen as yet another attempt to fit with the mainstream. This sound carried over to ''The Black Album'', ''The Teal Album'', and to a lesser extent, ''OK Human'', the latter of which ended the new Audience-Alienating Era, and is cited as an example by fans on what the last three albums ''should've'' sounded like. While it does retain elements of the poppy sound established on their previous three albums, it eschewed keyboards and synthesizers in favor of a live orchestra, and it was the first Weezer album in over a decade where Rivers wrote the majority of the material with no outside co-writers (the exception being the lead single, "All My Favorite Songs"). It also contains some of Rivers' most emotional lyrics since ''Everything Will Be Alright in the End''. Their follow-up, ''Van Weezer'', promised a return to big guitar sounds with the lead single "The End of the Game", and was actually intended to come out first and may have been set to end the Audience-Alienating Era instead. However, when the COVID-19 pandemic delayed the accompanying Hella Mega Tour, their label delayed the album for a year. |
| 271 | * Many fans consider everything Music/TheWho did after Keith Moon's death to be an extended Audience-Alienating Era. Even more will agree that it started with John Entwistle's death in 2002. |
| 272 | * To most fans of the British [[PostPunk post-punk]] outfit Music/{{Wire}}, their early '90s output almost certainly qualifies. |
| 273 | ** ''The Drill'', made up entirely of variations on the band's revolutionary 1985 track "Drill", is interesting in concept but tedious in execution, generally being regarded as a poor man's ''[[Creator/GraceJones Slave to the Rhythm]]''; ''Manscape'', on the other hand, is a continuation of the band's explorations in MIDI technology and programmed rhythm. The latter is notable for being the album that prompted long-standing drummer Robert Gotobed to leave the group, thinking that he had been rendered obsolete, which led to the band changing their name and not releasing another album as Wire until 2000. Both [=LPs=] have their defenders, and few will say that ''Manscape'' is completely devoid of good material-- "Torch It!", "Children Of Groceries", and "You Hung Your Lights In The Trees" are all fairly popular among fans of the band-- but likewise even fewer will call them flawless or deny that they are extremely dated (a rare quality in Wire's output). |
| 274 | ** Depending upon who you ask, Wire's post-Gotobed tenure as Wir (roughly 1991-1996) may qualify, although most agree that ''The First Letter'' was a massive step up from ''Manscape''. (It even got them a minor hit with "So and Slow It Grows".) More controversially, some fans of the band's earlier and later work will dismiss their entire '80s/'90s output as this, citing the excess of digital synths and slicker production. |
| 275 | * Music/XJapan has been in one since 2008 according to the part of the fandom that believes they stopped being good in 1992 or 1996. Other fans think they were in a short one that ended around the 2010 Yokohama show or Lollapalooza, and others don't think they were ever in one. |
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| 279 | * Whether Music/WeirdAlYankovic has ever had one of these is up to the individual fan (many fans like to joke that his losing the glasses, growing out his hair, and shaving his mustache is the closest he's come), but there are a sizable number who are seriously willing to dismiss everything from between ''Poodle Hat'' to ''Mandatory Fun'', when the parody songs became increasingly built around flash-in-the-pan singles ("Another Tattoo", for example, is a parody of the now-forgotten [[Music/BoBRapper B.o.B]][=/=]Music/BrunoMars song "Nothing on You"). Not that this wasn't a problem before, but by ''MFT'', Al himself admitted he couldn't keep up with modern music on an album-recording schedule and abandoned albums entirely. |
| 280 | * ClassicalMusic fell into a major one around the middle of the 20th century, the repercussions of which are still felt to this day. Modernist composers like the Second Viennese School[[note]]most famously, [[Music/ArnoldSchoenberg Arnold Schönberg]], Music/AlbanBerg, and Music/AntonWebern[[/note]], Music/KarlheinzStockhausen, and Music/PierreBoulez set out to write music that challenged the system of [[{{Scales}} tonality]] itself, which music had relied on for many centuries. UsefulNotes/WorldWarI in particular convinced these composers that traditional harmonies were a relic of the past. The result was ''a''tonality, a musical system that sounds otherworldly in a way that audiences by and large did not receive warmly. While several modernist composers [[VindicatedByHistory have since been reevaluated and recognized as influential]] (if no easier to listen to), and there were still composers writing tonal music that were and still are loved by audiences (e.g. Music/DmitriShostakovich, Music/AaronCopland, Music/SamuelBarber, etc.), the increasing divide between avant-garde composers and music consumers caused many audiences to migrate to [[{{Pop}} Popular Music]], which stuck to tonality.\ |
| 281 | The Audience-Alienating Era wound down in TheSeventies thanks to two factors. First, [[{{Minimalism}} minimalist]] composers like Music/SteveReich and Music/PhilipGlass proved that classical music didn't have to abandon tonality to move forward. Second, Hollywood embraced classical music as the booming score of choice for {{summer blockbuster}}s and {{epic movie}}s thanks to composers like Music/JohnWilliams (whose score for 1977's ''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars]]'' was pivotal in this regard) and Music/JerryGoldsmith, demonstrating that there still existed a large mainstream audience for it, albeit in the multiplex rather than the concert hall. However, the divide between classical music and mainstream audiences has never fully recovered. Pop music has generally replaced classical music in the hearts of audiences, and classical music has never managed to fully regain the prestige it held at the beginning of the 20th century. |
| 282 | * Beyond music and into award shows, there are the UsefulNotes/{{Grammy Award}}s in the 2010s. The voters for the Grammys, generally comprised of older music industry veterans, have long been joked about as being out of touch with the tastes of both mainstream listeners and critics, but in the 2010s, a time when the pop music world was in flux, it reached a crisis point that had many questioning whether the Grammys were even still relevant. Many of the biggest and most influential artists of the decade often found themselves consigned to the "genre" categories and [[AwardSnub locked out]] of the "Big Four" awards (Album of the Year, Song of the Year, Record of the Year, and Best New Artist), which often went instead to [[GenreThrowback retro-tinged]] artists whose music could at times be defiant in its rejection of mainstream trends. The fact that these Grammy-winning artists were overwhelmingly white and male also led to accusations of pushing non-white and female musicians into the MinorityShowGhetto and the GirlShowGhetto, with the likes of Music/{{Drake}}, Music/FrankOcean, Music/{{Lorde}}, and Music/KanyeWest all criticizing them for such. The mounting criticism of the Grammys came to a head in 2020 when Deborah Dugan, the CEO of the Recording Academy, was put on administrative leave just ten days before the 62nd Annual Grammy Awards, and proceeded to claim that the organization was institutionally corrupt and that the awards were rigged and plagued by conflicts of interest. |
| 283 | * Music/JeanMichelJarre almost certainly had at least one AudienceAlienatingEra, but when it was depends on whom you ask. |
| 284 | ** Most fans agree that Jarre had one after ''Metamorphoses''. It started when he fell out with his publisher, Francis Dreyfus. He tried to get out of his contract, but he still had to deliver three albums, so he churned out ''Sessions 2000'', an electronic jazz improvisation album that saw him in a genre and a way of playing that wasn't his, the mediocre-at-best ''Geometry Of Love'' and finally the more-than-controversial ''Téo & Téa'', most of which he didn't even make himself, but which at least delivered two tracks that work well live. His concerts went from nice to behold but weird to listen to straight to way too obvious miming fests. He eventually got out of it when he took the re-recorded and expanded ''Music/{{Oxygene}}'' to live stages from 2007 on. |
| 285 | ** Some older fans who had the chance to listen to ''Music/{{Oxygene}}'' or at least ''Music/{{Equinoxe}}'' when it was new see [[NewSoundAlbum everything after these two albums]] [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks as Jarre's Audience-Alienating Era]]. Maybe they're willing to accept ''Magnetic Fields'' and/or ''Oxygène 7-13'' as well. |
| 286 | * Apoptygma Berserk, one of the TropeMakers of the "[[{{Industrial}} Futurepop]]" subgenre, experienced this with their sudden GenreShift to electro-IndieRock in the mid-2000s. They eventually exited it with the appropriately named ''Exit Popularity Contest'' in 2016. |
| 287 | * Laserdance went through this from ''Technological Mind'' to ''The Guardian of Forever'', during which their production became increasingly homogenized and bland, and ''Guardian'' alienated audiences further with its UnexpectedGenreChange from spacesynth to progressive trance halfway through. In 2000, despite being TheBandMinusTheFace at this time, [[RevisitingTheRoots they returned to their roots]] with ''Laserdance Strikes Back'', and they stuck to their guns when Erik van Vliet and Michiel van der Kuy properly reunited in 2016. |
| 288 | * In the US, the Telecommunications Act of 1996 that deregulated the radio and television industries is often cited as a negative turning point in the history of radio, one that allowed national conglomerates like [[Creator/IHeartMedia Clear Channel]] to [[PredatoryBusiness buy up many community radio stations]] and thus impose a growing homogenization on American music. With that, it became much more difficult for independent musicians from local scenes, especially those of a more countercultural bent, to break through nationally on the basis of organic radio airplay, as growing numbers of stations were increasingly pushing local [=DJs=] aside and running programming from centralized playlists that favored the most commercially successful musicians. By the 2000s, this left radio completely unprepared for the internet revolution, as it quickly started bleeding listeners to online alternatives (both legal and [[DigitalPiracyIsEvil otherwise]]) that offered music listeners far more variety than an increasingly sanitized radio landscape. |
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