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* In fact, all of this can be completely {{Justified}} if the GenreShift(ing) was caused by Ajimu, InUniverse.

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* In fact, all of this can be completely {{Justified}} {{Justified|Trope}} if the GenreShift(ing) was caused by Ajimu, InUniverse.
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* Last, Medaka’s successors we’re originally intended to be the [=OCs=] that follow the Sue around just to prove how awesome she is, and the reason why Ajimu has 700 million humans forming her existence — [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSensePfScale one-tenth of the population of the whole Earth]] — is because Ajimu absentmindedly wrote that her character had that many friends and did not do the research. But after redeeming Kumagawa she needed a new villain, and so, since teenage fanfic writers have no understanding of how bad and messed up sexual assault is, and carelessly include it only as a plot device to make a story DarkerAndEdgier, she created Fukurou, intending to give Medaka more angst and have a character so one-dimensionally vile that none of the readers object to him being killed gruesomely.

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* Last, Medaka’s successors we’re originally intended to be the [=OCs=] that follow the Sue around just to prove how awesome she is, and the reason why Ajimu has 700 million humans forming her existence — [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSensePfScale [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale one-tenth of the population of the whole Earth]] — is because Ajimu absentmindedly wrote that her character had that many friends and did not do the research. But after redeeming Kumagawa she needed a new villain, and so, since teenage fanfic writers have no understanding of how bad and messed up sexual assault is, and carelessly include it only as a plot device to make a story DarkerAndEdgier, she created Fukurou, intending to give Medaka more angst and have a character so one-dimensionally vile that none of the readers object to him being killed gruesomely.

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In the version of the manga that she read, Kumagawa is the BigBad, and a CompleteMonster whose defeat ends the series and obviously never joins the heroes. But Ajimu [[PerverseSexualLust loves]] Kumagawa and as such [[DracoInLeatherPants makes him significantly less evil than in canon]], though she decides to save the redemption arc she thought up for him for later in the story so he is still an ArcVillain for a bit, despite his motives becoming contradictory and nonsensical. On the other hand, she hates and despises Emukae, and as punishment she turns her from [[BadPowersGoodPeople the fifth Student Council member who is part of a love triangle with Zenkichi and Medaka]] into [[RonTheDeathEater a completely insane lunatic unhealthily obsessed with Zenkichi despite now being an enemy, and who can’t control her destructive powers]]. Compare her to Shibuki and Gagamaru, who in the original were psychopaths ''before'' getting their powers and this fact corrupting said powers, which nuance Ajimu did not understand so she just placed Emukae among Kumagawa’s minions and made the distinction between Plus and Minus completely arbitrary.
Shiranui was a MuggleBestFriend for Zenkichi, so Ajimu didn’t much care for her, but she didn’t treat her as badly as Emukae because her brother is also a fan of the series and Shiranui is his favorite character. She would later give him a SelfInsert as well, namely Hanten, and he would collaborate with her later on, causing Hansode to have a power all of a sudden, and Iihiko was his idea, the ultimate InvincibleVillain to close the story off. Before then, Ajimu just invented all of Class 13 as [=OCs=] for her original story arc, the Flask Plan. The desire to make a perfect human is fitting, as if Ajimu could accept human imperfections in the first place, she wouldn’t write unbearably “perfect” Mary Sues. None of these [=OCs=] are remotely relevant after their arc is finished, being just tools to cause conflict. Medaka’s siblings are {{OC Stand In}}s however, as in the “original” they are mentioned but don’t appear, much like their father later.

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* In the version of the manga that she read, Kumagawa is the BigBad, and a CompleteMonster whose defeat ends the series and obviously never joins the heroes. But Ajimu [[PerverseSexualLust loves]] Kumagawa and as such [[DracoInLeatherPants makes him significantly less evil than in canon]], though she decides to save the redemption arc she thought up for him for later in the story so he is still an ArcVillain for a bit, despite his motives becoming contradictory and nonsensical. On the other hand, she hates and despises Emukae, and as punishment she turns her from [[BadPowersGoodPeople the fifth Student Council member who is part of a love triangle with Zenkichi and Medaka]] into [[RonTheDeathEater a completely insane lunatic unhealthily obsessed with Zenkichi despite now being an enemy, and who can’t control her destructive powers]]. Compare her to Shibuki and Gagamaru, who in the original were psychopaths ''before'' getting their powers and this fact corrupting said powers, which nuance Ajimu did not understand so she just placed Emukae among Kumagawa’s minions and made the distinction between Plus and Minus completely arbitrary.
arbitrary, allowing for characters like Kamome later on.
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Shiranui was a MuggleBestFriend for Zenkichi, so Ajimu didn’t much care for her, but she didn’t treat her as badly as Emukae because her brother is also a fan of the series and Shiranui is his favorite character. She would later give him a SelfInsert as well, namely Hanten, and he would collaborate with her later on, causing Hansode to have a power all of a sudden, and Iihiko was his idea, the ultimate InvincibleVillain to close the story off. Before then, Ajimu just invented all of Class 13 as [=OCs=] for her original story arc, the Flask Plan. The desire to make a perfect human is fitting, as if Ajimu could accept human imperfections in the first place, she wouldn’t write unbearably “perfect” Mary Sues. None of these [=OCs=] are remotely relevant after their arc is finished, being just tools to cause conflict. Medaka’s siblings are {{OC Stand In}}s however, as in the “original” they are mentioned but don’t appear, much like their father later.
* Last, Medaka’s successors we’re originally intended to be the [=OCs=] that follow the Sue around just to prove how awesome she is, and the reason why Ajimu has 700 million humans forming her existence — [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSensePfScale one-tenth of the population of the whole Earth]] — is because Ajimu absentmindedly wrote that her character had that many friends and did not do the research. But after redeeming Kumagawa she needed a new villain, and so, since teenage fanfic writers have no understanding of how bad and messed up sexual assault is, and carelessly include it only as a plot device to make a story DarkerAndEdgier, she created Fukurou, intending to give Medaka more angst and have a character so one-dimensionally vile that none of the readers object to him being killed gruesomely.
* But while writing the story, she gets a lot of feedback, pointing out the story’s flaws and offering ways for her to improve it. Unlike many Mary Sue writers, she actually accepts the criticism, realizes they have a point, and tries to improve. This happens at right about the time where she wrote her SelfInsert confronting Kumagawa alone, and though she originally planned for him to turn good [[SwiperNoSwiping just from asking]], she now realizes that Ajimu is a Sue, and the story is going to suffer for it. So instead she has Kumagawa kill Ajimu and has Medaka fight him instead. But this caused the fictional Ajimu to realize her own Sueness, and instead of disappearing, she now knows she is a fictional character created as WishFulfillment. [[GoMadFromTheRevelation This realization broke her.]] Everything she does from here on is a desperate attempt to find something beyond her power in order to “prove” she is not a Sue, and that she and the world are still bound by logic after all, and that the story can still be engaging even with overpowered characters, and that the protagonists are sincerely likable despite being the protagonists. So she abdicates her ill gotten position of “protagonist” and returns it to Medaka, and the story now plays out as it does in canon. Her author, meanwhile, is improving the story and eventually brings the character back as a morally ambiguous but initially antagonistic force, while rewriting the Flask Plan and Medaka’s Successor arcs to deconstruct and question the very idea of overpowered characters.
* The writer is also named Ajimu Najimi, but she is actually American and only knows Fangirl Japanese, so she doesn’t understand that her online handle, “Anshin’in-san”, is nonsensical to a Japanese person, sounding something like [[AsLongAsItSoundsForeign “Miss Relief Attendant”]].
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Shiranui was a MuggleBestFriend for Zenkichi, so Ajimu didn’t much care for her, but she didn’t treat her as badly as Emukae because her brother is also a fan of the series and Shiranui is his favorite character. She would later give him a SelfInsert as well, namely Hanten, and he would collaborate with her later on, causing Hansode to have a power all of a sudden, and Iihiko was his idea, the ultimate InvincibleVillain to close the story off. Before then, Ajimu just invented all of Class 13 as [=OCs=] for her original story arc, the Flask Plan. The desire to make a perfect human is fitting, as if Ajimu could accept human imperfections in the first place, she wouldn’t write unbearably “perfect” Mary Sues. None of these [=OCs=] are remotely relevant after their arc is finished, being just tools to cause conflict. Medaka’s siblings are {{OC Stand In}}s however, as in the “original” they are mentioned but don’t appear, much like their father later.
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This was bound to be proposed considering the comparisons to Mary Sues.

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[[WMG: Ajimu is a MarySue who gained self-awareness.]]
* And the manga as we know it is just fanfiction. Ajimu is a SelfInsert character who was written into the story during a “middle school arc” that we never get to see because [[AlternateUniverseFic her presence fundamentally warped canon and made divergence inevitable]]. Her author, a preteen girl, fantasized about being friends with Medaka and Zenkichi and so let her AuthorAvatar go to her school. (Indeed, even in the real-life story, Medaka never talks to Ajimu as anything but a friend.) But being an inexperienced writer, Ajimu failed to properly replicate the characters, and intentionally changed them in some cases. Medaka is TheHero, so she made her [[InvincibleHero skilled at everything]], but since the canon characters cannot outshine the Sue, Ajimu received far more than the SuperpowerLottery to ensure she would always be above Medaka. Zenkichi is [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands suddenly revealed]] [[SuddenlyAlwaysKnewThat to be a skilled martial artist with no foreshadowing]] because the author doesn’t understand the necessity of foreshadowing, but likes Zenkichi too much to make him TheLoad once her OriginalCharacter villains show up. She is neutral toward Akune and Mogana so they gradually lose importance as she bores of writing them.
In the version of the manga that she read, Kumagawa is the BigBad, and a CompleteMonster whose defeat ends the series and obviously never joins the heroes. But Ajimu [[PerverseSexualLust loves]] Kumagawa and as such [[DracoInLeatherPants makes him significantly less evil than in canon]], though she decides to save the redemption arc she thought up for him for later in the story so he is still an ArcVillain for a bit, despite his motives becoming contradictory and nonsensical. On the other hand, she hates and despises Emukae, and as punishment she turns her from [[BadPowersGoodPeople the fifth Student Council member who is part of a love triangle with Zenkichi and Medaka]] into [[RonTheDeathEater a completely insane lunatic unhealthily obsessed with Zenkichi despite now being an enemy, and who can’t control her destructive powers]]. Compare her to Shibuki and Gagamaru, who in the original were psychopaths ''before'' getting their powers and this fact corrupting said powers, which nuance Ajimu did not understand so she just placed Emukae among Kumagawa’s minions and made the distinction between Plus and Minus completely arbitrary.
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[[WMG: Ajimi is a personification of the [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Void]]]]

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[[WMG: Ajimi is a personification of the [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners [[Literature/TheGardenOfSinners Void]]]]



* This seems to be a theme in Nisio's works. ''LightNovel/{{Bakemonogatari}}'', ''LightNovel/{{Katanagatari}}''...fighting is ultimately meaningless in them too.

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* This seems to be a theme in Nisio's works. ''LightNovel/{{Bakemonogatari}}'', ''LightNovel/{{Katanagatari}}''...''Literature/{{Bakemonogatari}}'', ''Literature/{{Katanagatari}}''...fighting is ultimately meaningless in them too.



[[WMG: Ajimu is a future version of LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya.]]

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[[WMG: Ajimu is a future version of LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya.Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya.]]

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** Confirmed. He starts out as a normal but then becomes a zer0 later on after acquiring the skill [[spoiler: devil style which nullifies plot armor]] from Hanten.

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** Confirmed. He starts out as a normal but then becomes a zer0 later on after acquiring the skill [[spoiler: devil style which nullifies plot armor]] armor from Hanten.



* could possibly be the current BiggerBad

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* could possibly be the current BiggerBad
a GreaterScopeVillain



** Confirmed as of Chapter 115. [[spoiler: He doesn't seem to take being in last place well, and now he may be recruited by Ajimu]]

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** Confirmed as of Chapter 115. [[spoiler: He doesn't seem to take being in last place well, and now he may be recruited by Ajimu]]
Ajimu.



* Zenkichi as a child generally seemed extremely cheerful and optimistic. While you could dismiss it as simple maturity, he still seems to advocate the ideals that he once gave to Medaka. Knowing Isin, it may connect with this current [[spoiler: Zenkichi vs Medaka arc]]

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* Zenkichi as a child generally seemed extremely cheerful and optimistic. While you could dismiss it as simple maturity, he still seems to advocate the ideals that he once gave to Medaka. Knowing Isin, it may connect with this current [[spoiler: Zenkichi vs Medaka arc]]
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* Seems like that.Sukinasaki is a downright CreepyChild who has proved to be somewhat evil and manipulative in the one-shot already, and seems to be an old enemy to Kumagawa himself, who was, by the time they met, the pre-BigBad. Would that make her a BiggerBad character? Well, about this, I don't know. Also, she's got a quite broken Abnormality, as she can brainwash and control everyone by using her cards(except, of course, Medaka and Najimu).

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* Seems like that.Sukinasaki is a downright CreepyChild who has proved to be somewhat evil and manipulative in the one-shot already, and seems to be an old enemy to Kumagawa himself, who was, by the time they met, the pre-BigBad. Would that make her a BiggerBad character? GreaterScopeVillain? Well, about this, I don't know. Also, she's got a quite broken Abnormality, as she can brainwash and control everyone by using her cards(except, of course, Medaka and Najimu).



* Partly Jossed, as Sukinasaki is revealed to be quite a nice individual by the end of her chapters, completely averting the image of ManipulativeBastard she has created in the one shot. [[spoiler: Najimi really ends as TheUnfought antagonist. She wins in the end, but in the end "resigns" her victory, deciding to leave [[GoOutWithABang in a pretty]] [[SeenItAllSuicide bombastic fashion]] ]]

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* Partly Jossed, as Sukinasaki is revealed to be quite a nice individual by the end of her chapters, completely averting the image of ManipulativeBastard she has created in the one shot. [[spoiler: Najimi really ends as TheUnfought antagonist. She wins in the end, but in the end "resigns" her victory, deciding to leave [[GoOutWithABang in a pretty]] [[SeenItAllSuicide bombastic fashion]] ]]fashion]].
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This [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/medaka_box/v08/c066/12.html page]] states that she "swallows" people. This might be hinting to her ability to eat emotions especially negative emotions since she also states that Zenkichi is too sweet to swallow. There is also the {{Big Eater}} aspect of her character.
* Chapter 85 reveals the name of Shiranui's abnormality is [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/medaka_box/v09/c084/20.html "Real Eater"]], the actual effects of her "eating" Hinokage has yet to be determined.

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This [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/medaka_box/v08/c066/12.html page]] One page states that she "swallows" people. This might be hinting to her ability to eat emotions especially negative emotions since she also states that Zenkichi is too sweet to swallow. There is also the {{Big Eater}} aspect of her character.
* Chapter 85 reveals the name of Shiranui's abnormality is [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/medaka_box/v09/c084/20.html "Real Eater"]], Eater", the actual effects of her "eating" Hinokage has yet to be determined.
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* ...It's because they were erased by Kumagawa, who wanted to do one last, ultimate '''fuck you''' to Ajimu, before he felt like everyone should become more relaxed and move one with their lives as he and everyone else enjoys their life as ordinary people who can actually feel like they can make friends. The reason why some powers took longer to vanish than the rest and while some stayed was because Kumagawa doesn't want to make any mistakes and is erasing them one by one. There are probably some abilities that he doesn't care about also, so he leaves them be. Alternatively, he only erased the Abnormalities of the people he knew, and feels as though that it's his job as student council president to do so.

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* ...It's because they were erased by Kumagawa, who wanted to do one last, ultimate '''fuck you''' to Ajimu, before he felt like everyone should become more relaxed and move one with their lives as he and everyone else enjoys their life as ordinary people who can actually feel like they can make friends. The reason why some powers took longer to vanish than the rest and while some stayed was because Kumagawa doesn't want to make any mistakes and is erasing them one by one. There are probably some abilities that he doesn't care about also, so he leaves them be. Alternatively, he only erased the Abnormalities of the people he knew, and feels as though that it's his job as student council president to do so.
so. This also explains why Handsode's ability never went away.

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