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* In answer to the above, the entire second enfuriating season of KaleidoStar is a massive and stupid Xanatos Roulette by all the higher-ups (Carlos, Mr. Kenneth, Sarah, presumably Layla, etc.) to bring out Sora's "full, true potential" and turn her into the "true KaleidoStar". It's utter and complete bullcacky, but that's the explanation. Despite having SINGLE-HANDEDLY saved the KaleidoStage and everyone's hoped and careers, Carlos more than anyone, redeeming half the cast, and hooking Carlos up with Sarah finally, to say nothing of SURPASSING Layla's level of acrobatics and suceeding at the Legendary Act that no one had ever completed before, Carlos and the others decide that by ganging up on her, treating her like crap and demeaning her, demoting her, acting as if she's no better than when she first joined, and letting people like the borderline psychotic and completely disruptive Leon and the insanely jealous and arrogant May simply join and surpass everything that Sora had grittingly earned through hard work, blood, and and sweat despite them not syncing or fitting in at the KaleidoStage at all and standing completely in opposition to everything it itself stands for....That Sora will magically overcome and achieve a level of acrobatic excellence farther than anyone else has before just to spite them.
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* In answer to the above, the entire second enfuriating season of KaleidoStar ''Anime/KaleidoStar'' is a massive and stupid Xanatos Roulette by all the higher-ups (Carlos, Mr. Kenneth, Sarah, presumably Layla, etc.) to bring out Sora's "full, true potential" and turn her into the "true KaleidoStar".Anime/KaleidoStar". It's utter and complete bullcacky, but that's the explanation. Despite having SINGLE-HANDEDLY saved the KaleidoStage and everyone's hoped and careers, Carlos more than anyone, redeeming half the cast, and hooking Carlos up with Sarah finally, to say nothing of SURPASSING Layla's level of acrobatics and suceeding at the Legendary Act that no one had ever completed before, Carlos and the others decide that by ganging up on her, treating her like crap and demeaning her, demoting her, acting as if she's no better than when she first joined, and letting people like the borderline psychotic and completely disruptive Leon and the insanely jealous and arrogant May simply join and surpass everything that Sora had grittingly earned through hard work, blood, and and sweat despite them not syncing or fitting in at the KaleidoStage at all and standing completely in opposition to everything it itself stands for....That Sora will magically overcome and achieve a level of acrobatic excellence farther than anyone else has before just to spite them.
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It bugs me too, especially Leon. He's ruined at least one person's career in the past; he deliberately broke May's shoulder on stage (which is legally assault - it's okay to have accidents in performing or playing sports, but it becomes a crime if someone deliberately hurts someone); and according to his nickname, he might've killed someone in the past. And he doesn't get a redemption arc so much as Sora and everyone else teaming up to give him exactly what he wants on a platter.
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It bugs me too, especially Leon. He's ruined at least one person's career in the past; he deliberately broke May's shoulder on stage (which is legally assault - it's okay to have accidents in performing or playing sports, but it becomes a crime if someone deliberately hurts someone); someone else on purpose); and according to his nickname, he might've killed someone in the past. And he doesn't get a redemption arc so much as Sora and everyone else teaming up to give him exactly what he wants on a platter.
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It bugs me too, especially Leon. He's ruined at least one person's career in the past; he deliberately broke May's shoulder on stage (which is also legally assault too - it's okay to have accidents in performing or playing sports, but it becomes a crime if someone deliberately hurts someone); and according to his nickname, he might've killed someone in the past. And he doesn't get a redemption arc so much as Sora and everyone else teaming up to give him exactly what he wants on a platter.
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It bugs me too, especially Leon. He's ruined at least one person's career in the past; he deliberately broke May's shoulder on stage (which is also legally assault too - it's okay to have accidents in performing or playing sports, but it becomes a crime if someone deliberately hurts someone); and according to his nickname, he might've killed someone in the past. And he doesn't get a redemption arc so much as Sora and everyone else teaming up to give him exactly what he wants on a platter.
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It bugs me too, especially Leon. He's ruined at least one person's career in the past; he deliberately broke May's shoulder on stage (which is also legally assault too - it's okay to have accidents in performing or playing sports, but it becomes a crime if someone deliberately hurts someone); and according to his nickname, he might've killed someone in the past. And he doesn't get a redemption arc so much as Sora and everyone else teaming up to give him exactly what he wants on a platter.
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1. You know May gets called out on a lot of things towards the end of the show, but she isn't called out on two things (this goes for Leon as well). May and Leon are unprofessional, and their unprofessional attitude ruins performances. Season 1 was great in the fact that everyone was a professional and they expected Sora to be the same way, and Sora had to deliver. However come Season 2 they forget about whatever professionalism they ever had as soon as May shows up. They all say she has a bad attitude but no one ever once calls her out of her unprofessionalism. Especially during the Salome in Vegas, where Sora was hired to perform, and May shows up because "it's unfair".
2. The whole conflict of New Wings makes no sense. So okay everyone are rivals and are competing against one another to be the best, alright, but they are also performers. This means that no matter they have to work together despite their own attitudes. This also feeds into a question of why do May and Leon still have jobs, in the performance world if they are unprofessional and cause injuries to their partners to the point that people can't perform with them.
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This troper will also go as far to say that Leon was not justified enough by canon for real redemption. As someone who is involved in the theater, it makes me very angry that he was able to force his directors to change the show and the script and the casting. This is not his decision or his place, and to think it is within his rights to do so is supremely arrogant. Kalos should have fired him. Mia could have fired him, she was the director! Allowing Leon to do what he wanted with no repercussions- abandoning a show in the middle and forcing Sora to play both roles, forcing Sora on stage when she had no part in it, injuring May in a performance!- is absolutely unacceptable, and deteriorated the quality of the shows. They said he was "saving" Kaleido Stage but he was really kind of ruining it. Of course this is some sort of gambit to make Sora into a True Star so it's totally acceptable.
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This troper will also go as far to say that Leon was not justified enough by canon for real redemption. As someone who is involved in the theater, it makes me very angry that he was able to force his directors to change the show and the script and the casting. This is not his decision or his place, and to think it is within his rights to do so is supremely arrogant. Kalos should have fired him. Mia could have fired him, she was the director! Allowing Leon to do what he wanted with no repercussions- abandoning a show in the middle and forcing Sora to play both roles, forcing Sora on stage when she had no part in it, injuring May in a performance!- is absolutely unacceptable, and deteriorated the quality of the shows. They said he was "saving" Kaleido Stage but he was really kind of ruining it. Of course this is some sort of gambit to make Sora into a True Star so it's totally acceptable.okay.
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Sora is totally justified in being afraid of trusting her life to a selfish jackass with a history of injuring people he doesn't like with no repercussions whatsoever, and also happens to dislike her.
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This troper will also go as far to say that Leon was not justified enough by canon for real redemption. As someone who is involved in the theater, it makes me very angry that he was able to force his directors to change the show and the script and the casting. This is not his decision or his place, and to think it is within his rights to do so is supremely arrogant. Kalos should have fired him. Mia could have fired him, she was the director! Allowing Leon to do what he wanted with no repercussions- abandoning a show in the middle and forcing Sora to play both roles, forcing Sora on stage when she had no part in it, injuring May in a performance!- is absolutely unacceptable, and deteriorated the quality of the shows. They said he was "saving" Kaleido Stage but he was really kind of ruining it. Of course this is some sort of gambit to make Sora into a True Star so it's totally acceptable.
His redemption arc doesn't even match up with his terrible arrogance in the beginning of season two. Being unhappy on stage and punishing himself for his sister's death doesn't exactly line up with the "The audience is here for me and my skill and my devilishly handsome good looks, everything is me me me," attitude he had in the first few episodes. Layla and May both had good redemption arcs, but this troper felt that Leon's was pretty much just a handwave to tie up loose ends. HE WAS FAMOUS FOR RUINING PEOPLE'S LIVES. And he shows absolutely no regret or remorse for doing so and that's pretty much bullshit.
This troper will also go as far to say that Leon was not justified enough by canon for real redemption. As someone who is involved in the theater, it makes me very angry that he was able to force his directors to change the show and the script and the casting. This is not his decision or his place, and to think it is within his rights to do so is supremely arrogant. Kalos should have fired him. Mia could have fired him, she was the director! Allowing Leon to do what he wanted with no repercussions- abandoning a show in the middle and forcing Sora to play both roles, forcing Sora on stage when she had no part in it, injuring May in a performance!- is absolutely unacceptable, and deteriorated the quality of the shows. They said he was "saving" Kaleido Stage but he was really kind of ruining it. Of course this is some sort of gambit to make Sora into a True Star so it's totally acceptable.
His redemption arc doesn't even match up with his terrible arrogance in the beginning of season two. Being unhappy on stage and punishing himself for his sister's death doesn't exactly line up with the "The audience is here for me and my skill and my devilishly handsome good looks, everything is me me me," attitude he had in the first few episodes. Layla and May both had good redemption arcs, but this troper felt that Leon's was pretty much just a handwave to tie up loose ends. HE WAS FAMOUS FOR RUINING PEOPLE'S LIVES. And he shows absolutely no regret or remorse for doing so and that's pretty much bullshit.
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1.Sora's Weakness. Okay so you know how in S2 everyone keeps saying that while Sora has alot of natural talent she's hindered because she was not formally trained and therefore lacks all the basics? Well wasn't it stated in season 1 that Sora took Gymnastics for years before coming to Kaleido Stage? Wouldn't she have learned the basics there? Not to mention that all new recruits have to take lessons before being let anywhere near the stage. Then there's May whose initial talent was ice skating NOT acrobatics,I am aware that there is overlap between ice skating,gymnastics,and ballet and while it is likely that May took lessons beforehand like sora,even so shouldn't May also need extra practice for the basics? I mean she attended,what?,one or two lessons at kaleido stage before demanding leading roles right? What gives?
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1.Sora's Weakness. Okay so you know how in S2 everyone keeps saying that while Sora has alot of natural talent she's hindered because she was not formally trained and therefore lacks all the basics? Well wasn't it stated in season 1 that Sora took Gymnastics for years before coming to Kaleido Stage? Wouldn't she have learned the basics there? Not to mention that all new recruits have to take lessons before being let anywhere near the stage. Then there's May whose initial talent was ice skating NOT acrobatics,I am aware that there is overlap between ice skating,gymnastics,and ballet and while it is likely that May took lessons beforehand like sora,even so shouldn't May also need extra practice for the basics? I mean she attended,what?,one or two lessons at kaleido stage before demanding leading roles right? What gives?\n
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3.Layla's shoulder injury. So at the end of the first season much fuss is made about how Layla's injury was so severe she couldn't preform acrobatics anymore,yet at the end of New Wings she returns to challenge Sora for the role of Odette. Let me just say HUH?! I get that she was actually trying to "become a demon" in order to help Sora succeed but how is she able to preform any acrobatics,let alone the Angel's Maneuver,when everyone including Layla herself said she couldn't preform like that anymore? I did notice that during practice,even for the Broadway show, she was wearing some sort of pink sleeve on her shoulder which I assume is some kind of brace but that doesn't really explain anything.
4.NitPicky things. Okay last one I promise. These are just some smaller things that stood out to me:
* Ken can't perform on stage because of his weak heart but the girls,particularly Anna, are allowed to run him ragged and generally abuse him? And why is he suddenly wearing glasses in the Legend Of Phoenix Ova?
* When Sora first finds Jonathan,Sarah says nothing about pets not being allowed in the dorms and encourages Sora to compete for money to feed Jonathan even though performers aren't allowed to have outside jobs. Now Sarah has been with Kaliedo Stage and Kalos since the beginning so she should be well aware of these rules yet she doesn't mention this to Sora. Ever. Now that I think of it Ken should also know these rules and also said nothing but then he's got a monster crush on Sora...
* Just out of curiosity when Yuri is in France is the school he attends for art? And did he initially leave Kaliedo Stage on his own after the legendary Great Maneuver or was he thrown out?
* Why is Sora's mom traveling so far while heavily pregnant? I know she was worried about Sora but it's common knowledge that women in the late stages of pregnancy should not be traveling so far and why did they wait so long to tell Sora that Midori was pregnant?
* In the first episode why doesn't Sora just take a cab to Kaliedo Stage? Did she really think she'd get there just by walking in random directions?
* On the main page under HOT MOM,Pamela(the trapeze artist at circus camp or whatever it was)is said to be the mother of the blonde twins...um WHAT?! Where in the world did that come from?! This is never said in the anime or on the wiki or on Wikipedia,not to mention she doesn't look a thing like the twins(not that this really matters in anime)and she certainly doesn't act like she's their mother. Besides who would the father be? Dios? The Ringmaster??? The Strongman?!Oh wow this ended up being way longer than than I anticipated,oops I guess I started babbling.
4.NitPicky things. Okay last one I promise. These are just some smaller things that stood out to me:
* Ken can't perform on stage because of his weak heart but the girls,particularly Anna, are allowed to run him ragged and generally abuse him? And why is he suddenly wearing glasses in the Legend Of Phoenix Ova?
* When Sora first finds Jonathan,Sarah says nothing about pets not being allowed in the dorms and encourages Sora to compete for money to feed Jonathan even though performers aren't allowed to have outside jobs. Now Sarah has been with Kaliedo Stage and Kalos since the beginning so she should be well aware of these rules yet she doesn't mention this to Sora. Ever. Now that I think of it Ken should also know these rules and also said nothing but then he's got a monster crush on Sora...
* Just out of curiosity when Yuri is in France is the school he attends for art? And did he initially leave Kaliedo Stage on his own after the legendary Great Maneuver or was he thrown out?
* Why is Sora's mom traveling so far while heavily pregnant? I know she was worried about Sora but it's common knowledge that women in the late stages of pregnancy should not be traveling so far and why did they wait so long to tell Sora that Midori was pregnant?
* In the first episode why doesn't Sora just take a cab to Kaliedo Stage? Did she really think she'd get there just by walking in random directions?
* On the main page under HOT MOM,Pamela(the trapeze artist at circus camp or whatever it was)is said to be the mother of the blonde twins...um WHAT?! Where in the world did that come from?! This is never said in the anime or on the wiki or on Wikipedia,not to mention she doesn't look a thing like the twins(not that this really matters in anime)and she certainly doesn't act like she's their mother. Besides who would the father be? Dios? The Ringmaster??? The Strongman?!Oh wow this ended up being way longer than than I anticipated,oops I guess I started babbling.
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3.Layla's shoulder injury. So at the end of the first season much fuss is made about how Layla's injury was so severe she couldn't preform acrobatics anymore,yet at the end of New Wings she returns to challenge Sora for the role of Odette. Let me just say HUH?! I get that she was actually trying to "become a demon" in order to help Sora succeed but how is she able to preform any acrobatics,let alone the Angel's Maneuver,when everyone including Layla herself said she couldn't preform like that anymore? I did notice that during practice,even for the Broadway show, she was wearing some sort of pink sleeve on her shoulder which I assume is some kind of brace but that doesn't really explain anything.
4.NitPicky things. Okay last one I promise. These are just some smaller things that stood out to me:
* Ken can't perform on stage because of his weak heart but the girls,particularly Anna, are allowed to run him ragged and generally abuse him? And why is he suddenly wearing glasses in the Legend Of Phoenix Ova?
* When Sora first finds Jonathan,Sarah says nothing about pets not being allowed in the dorms and encourages Sora to compete for money to feed Jonathan even though performers aren't allowed to have outside jobs. Now Sarah has been with Kaliedo Stage and Kalos since the beginning so she should be well aware of these rules yet she doesn't mention this to Sora. Ever. Now that I think of it Ken should also know these rules and also said nothing but then he's got a monster crush on Sora...
* Just out of curiosity when Yuri is in France is the school he attends for art? And did he initially leave Kaliedo Stage on his own after the legendary Great Maneuver or was he thrown out?
* Why is Sora's mom traveling so far while heavily pregnant? I know she was worried about Sora but it's common knowledge that women in the late stages of pregnancy should not be traveling so far and why did they wait so long to tell Sora that Midori was pregnant?
* In the first episode why doesn't Sora just take a cab to Kaliedo Stage? Did she really think she'd get there just by walking in random directions?
* On the main page under HOT MOM,Pamela(the trapeze artist at circus camp or whatever it was)is said to be the mother of the blonde twins...um WHAT?! Where in the world did that come from?! This is never said in the anime or on the wiki or on Wikipedia,not to mention she doesn't look a thing like the twins(not that this really matters in anime)and she certainly doesn't act like she's their mother. Besides who would the father be? Dios? The Ringmaster??? The Strongman?!Ohanything.Oh wow this ended up being way longer than than I anticipated,oops I guess I started babbling.
4.NitPicky things. Okay last one I promise. These are just some smaller things that stood out to me:
* Ken can't perform on stage because of his weak heart but the girls,particularly Anna, are allowed to run him ragged and generally abuse him? And why is he suddenly wearing glasses in the Legend Of Phoenix Ova?
* When Sora first finds Jonathan,Sarah says nothing about pets not being allowed in the dorms and encourages Sora to compete for money to feed Jonathan even though performers aren't allowed to have outside jobs. Now Sarah has been with Kaliedo Stage and Kalos since the beginning so she should be well aware of these rules yet she doesn't mention this to Sora. Ever. Now that I think of it Ken should also know these rules and also said nothing but then he's got a monster crush on Sora...
* Just out of curiosity when Yuri is in France is the school he attends for art? And did he initially leave Kaliedo Stage on his own after the legendary Great Maneuver or was he thrown out?
* Why is Sora's mom traveling so far while heavily pregnant? I know she was worried about Sora but it's common knowledge that women in the late stages of pregnancy should not be traveling so far and why did they wait so long to tell Sora that Midori was pregnant?
* In the first episode why doesn't Sora just take a cab to Kaliedo Stage? Did she really think she'd get there just by walking in random directions?
* On the main page under HOT MOM,Pamela(the trapeze artist at circus camp or whatever it was)is said to be the mother of the blonde twins...um WHAT?! Where in the world did that come from?! This is never said in the anime or on the wiki or on Wikipedia,not to mention she doesn't look a thing like the twins(not that this really matters in anime)and she certainly doesn't act like she's their mother. Besides who would the father be? Dios? The Ringmaster??? The Strongman?!Oh
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4.Screwed up time. Seriously time is totally and completely screwy on this show. Oddly most of the problems have to do with Sophie. Not including the fact that no one seems to actually age,here are several things that don't really seem to match up:
* How much time has actually passed between the beginning of season 1 and the ending of New Wings? Yes I know the main page says roughly two years but that is frustratingly vague and only serves to make other details more murky.
* In New Wings Sora states that it has been year since Yume's birth. Shouldn't that mean that Sora and friends(Anna,Mia,Ken) are 17 in New Wings(with Layla and Yuri being 19)in New Wings? And wouldn't this make May(16)a year younger than sora and Leon(18) a year younger than Yuri and Layla?
* Does the circus Festival in France take place once every year or once every three years? The wiki(and Leon in one flashback) says once every year but I could've sworn other characters in the anime said it was once every three years. This alone plays major havoc with Sophie's age.
5.NitPicky things. Okay last one I promise. These are just some smaller things that stood out to me:
* How much time has actually passed between the beginning of season 1 and the ending of New Wings? Yes I know the main page says roughly two years but that is frustratingly vague and only serves to make other details more murky.
* In New Wings Sora states that it has been year since Yume's birth. Shouldn't that mean that Sora and friends(Anna,Mia,Ken) are 17 in New Wings(with Layla and Yuri being 19)in New Wings? And wouldn't this make May(16)a year younger than sora and Leon(18) a year younger than Yuri and Layla?
* Does the circus Festival in France take place once every year or once every three years? The wiki(and Leon in one flashback) says once every year but I could've sworn other characters in the anime said it was once every three years. This alone plays major havoc with Sophie's age.
5.NitPicky things. Okay last one I promise. These are just some smaller things that stood out to me:
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4.Screwed up time. Seriously time is totally and completely screwy on this show. Oddly most of the problems have to do with Sophie. Not including the fact that no one seems to actually age,here are several things that don't really seem to match up:
* How much time has actually passed between the beginning of season 1 and the ending of New Wings? Yes I know the main page says roughly two years but that is frustratingly vague and only serves to make other details more murky.
* In New Wings Sora states that it has been year since Yume's birth. Shouldn't that mean that Sora and friends(Anna,Mia,Ken) are 17 in New Wings(with Layla and Yuri being 19)in New Wings? And wouldn't this make May(16)a year younger than sora and Leon(18) a year younger than Yuri and Layla?
* Does the circus Festival in France take place once every year or once every three years? The wiki(and Leon in one flashback) says once every year but I could've sworn other characters in the anime said it was once every three years. This alone plays major havoc with Sophie's age.
5.NitPicky things. Okay last one I promise. These are just some smaller things that stood out to me:
* How much time has actually passed between the beginning of season 1 and the ending of New Wings? Yes I know the main page says roughly two years but that is frustratingly vague and only serves to make other details more murky.
* In New Wings Sora states that it has been year since Yume's birth. Shouldn't that mean that Sora and friends(Anna,Mia,Ken) are 17 in New Wings(with Layla and Yuri being 19)in New Wings? And wouldn't this make May(16)a year younger than sora and Leon(18) a year younger than Yuri and Layla?
* Does the circus Festival in France take place once every year or once every three years? The wiki(and Leon in one flashback) says once every year but I could've sworn other characters in the anime said it was once every three years. This alone plays major havoc with Sophie's age.
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4.Screwed up time. Seriously time is totally and completely screwy on this show. Oddly most of the problems have to do with Sophie. Not including the fact that no one seems to actually age,here are several things that don't really seem to match up:
* How much time has actually passed between the beginning of season 1 and the ending of New Wings? Yes I know the main page says roughly two years but that is frustratingly vague and only serves to make other details more murky.
*In New Wings Sora states that it has been year since Yume's birth. Shouldn't that mean that Sora and friends(Anna,Mia,Ken) are 17 in New Wings(with Layla and Yuri being 19)in New Wings? And wouldn't this make May(16)a year younger than sora and Leon(18) a year younger than Yuri and Layla?
* Does the circus Festival in France take place once every year or once every three years? The wiki(and Leon in one flashback) says once every year but I could've sworn other characters in the anime said it was once every three years. This alone plays major havoc with Sophie's age.
5.NitPicky things. Okay last one I promise. These are just some smaller things that stood out to me:
* How much time has actually passed between the beginning of season 1 and the ending of New Wings? Yes I know the main page says roughly two years but that is frustratingly vague and only serves to make other details more murky.
*In New Wings Sora states that it has been year since Yume's birth. Shouldn't that mean that Sora and friends(Anna,Mia,Ken) are 17 in New Wings(with Layla and Yuri being 19)in New Wings? And wouldn't this make May(16)a year younger than sora and Leon(18) a year younger than Yuri and Layla?
* Does the circus Festival in France take place once every year or once every three years? The wiki(and Leon in one flashback) says once every year but I could've sworn other characters in the anime said it was once every three years. This alone plays major havoc with Sophie's age.
5.NitPicky things. Okay last one I promise. These are just some smaller things that stood out to me:
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* I am i the only one who thinks that Leon's test for Sora and May was rather unfair to Sora? I mean first May hogs the swing so Sora is forced to practice outside in the rain and as a result Sora gets a fever that prevents her from swinging properly(then May has the gall to assume this means she automatically wins!)then there was the skating thing. Sure it happened because May wanted to show off and yes Sora wanted to try skating too BUT May has been skating for years while Sora only started three days prior. HOW was that at all fair?!
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Oh wow this ended up being way longer than than I anticipated,oops I guess I started babbling.
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* Is it me or is the flow of time really wonky in this show? No one is really seen aging but according to Sora it's been at least a year since Yume was born,the characters can apparently take plane rides between Japan,Cape Mery,and France in the blink of an eye,not to mention that many of the main characters don't look or act their age(Layla,Yuri,Leon,Rosetta in the beginning). Then there's Sophie. She's drawn to look about the same age as Sora and is thought to have died at age 15 or 16 but if Leon is supposed to be 18 during present day then he would've been 16 or so when Sophie died making her about 13 or 14 at the time(I think)and...Arrgh!! This is too confusing! Admittedly I am terrible at math but this should be case of simple addition so why doesn't it add up?!*Takes a deep breath to calm down*
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* Why doesn't anybody ever tell Leon that there's more to performing than technical perfection? I mean this is something several other characters had to learn this,hell Rosetta got fired for being a "Diablo Machine" but no one(except Cathy)ever gets on Leon's case about this!
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* Is it me or is the flow of time really wonky in this show? No one is really seen aging but according to Sora it's been at least a year since Yume was born,the characters can apparently take plane rides between Japan,Cape Mery,and France in the blink of an eye,not to mention that many of the main characters don't look or act their age(Layla,Yuri,Leon,Rosetta in the beginning). Then there's Sophie. She's drawn to look about the same age as Sora and is thought to have died at age 15 or 16 but if Leon is supposed to be 18 during present day then he would've been 16 or so when Sophie died making her about 13 or 14 at the time(I think)and...Arrgh!! This is too confusing! Admittedly I am terrible math but this should be case of simple addition so why doesn't it add up?!*Takes a deep breath to calm down*
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* Is it me or is the flow of time really wonky in this show? No one is really seen aging but according to Sora it's been at least a year since Yume was born,the characters can apparently take plane rides between Japan,Cape Mery,and France in the blink of an eye,not to mention that many of the main characters don't look or act their age(Layla,Yuri,Leon,Rosetta in the beginning). Then there's Sophie. She's drawn to look about the same age as Sora and is thought to have died at age 15 or 16 but if Leon is supposed to be 18 during present day then he would've been 16 or so when Sophie died making her about 13 or 14 at the time(I think)and...Arrgh!! This is too confusing! Admittedly I am terrible at math but this should be case of simple addition so why doesn't it add up?!*Takes a deep breath to calm down*
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*I am i the only one who thinks that Leon's test for Sora and May was rather unfair to Sora? I mean first May hogs the swing so Sora is forced to practice outside in the rain and as a result Sora gets a fever that prevents her from swinging properly(then May has the gall to assume this means she automatically wins!)then there was the skating thing. Sure it happened because May wanted to show off and yes Sora wanted to try skating too BUT May has been skating for years while Sora only started three days prior. HOW was that at all fair?!
*Why doesn't anybody ever tell Leon that there's more to performing than technical perfection? I mean this is something several other characters had to learn this,hell Rosetta got fired for being a "Diablo Machine" but no one(except Cathy)ever gets on Leon's case about this!
*Why doesn't anybody ever tell Leon that there's more to performing than technical perfection? I mean this is something several other characters had to learn this,hell Rosetta got fired for being a "Diablo Machine" but no one(except Cathy)ever gets on Leon's case about this!
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* When Sora first finds Jonathan,Sarah says nothing about pets not being allowed in the dorms and encourages Sora to compete for money to feed Jonathan even though performers aren't allowed to have outside jobs. Now Sarah has been with Kaliedo Stage and Kalos since the beginning so she should be well aware of these rules yet she doesn't mention this to Sora. Ever.
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* When Sora first finds Jonathan,Sarah says nothing about pets not being allowed in the dorms and encourages Sora to compete for money to feed Jonathan even though performers aren't allowed to have outside jobs. Now Sarah has been with Kaliedo Stage and Kalos since the beginning so she should be well aware of these rules yet she doesn't mention this to Sora. Ever. Now that I think of it Ken should also know these rules and also said nothing but then he's got a monster crush on Sora...
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* Okay I know New Wings was essentially Kalos and Mr.Kenneth pulling a giant Xanatos Roulette on Sora in order to make her a true Star but does that justify allowing Leon and May act like total bitches to everyone? Speaking of Leon, the guy is a total glacier and refuses to thaw until shortly before the finale,so how exactly was he an asset to Kaleido stage? Oh sure he challenges Sora and he's great on the trapeze but if he hasn't got any emotion how can anyone enjoy his performance? Cathy even calls Leon and May out on the fact that they don't even remotely resemble the star crossed lovers they are supposed to be playing and Kalos once kicked Rosetta out for giving an emotionless performance yet he says nothing to Leon? There is one conversation where Kalos and Mr.Kenneth imply that they hoped Sora could also help Leon with his issues(which she eventually did)but that that doesn't quite seem to justify keeping Leon around when all he's really done is a be a pain in the behind(and yet despite everything he did I still ship Sora and Leon).
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* Okay I know New Wings was essentially Kalos and Mr.Kenneth pulling a giant Xanatos Roulette on Sora in order to make her a true Star but does that justify allowing Leon and May act like total bitches to everyone? Speaking of Leon, the guy is a total glacier and refuses to thaw until shortly before the finale,so how exactly was he an asset to Kaleido stage? Oh sure he challenges Sora and he's great on the trapeze but if he hasn't got any emotion how can anyone enjoy his performance? Cathy even calls Leon and May out on the fact that they don't even remotely resemble the star crossed lovers they are supposed to be playing and Kalos once kicked Rosetta out for giving an emotionless performance yet he says nothing to Leon? There is one conversation where Kalos and Mr.Kenneth imply that they hoped Sora could also help Leon with his issues(which she eventually did)but that that doesn't quite seem to justify keeping Leon around when all he's really done is a be a pain in the behind(and yet despite everything he did I still ship SoraxLeon).
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* Okay I know New Wings was essentially Kalos and Mr.Kenneth pulling a giant Xanatos Roulette on Sora in order to make her a true Star but does that justify allowing Leon and May act like total bitches to everyone? Speaking of Leon, the guy is a total glacier and refuses to thaw until shortly before the finale,so how exactly was he an asset to Kaleido stage? Oh sure he challenges Sora and he's great on the trapeze but if he hasn't got any emotion how can anyone enjoy his performance? Cathy even calls Leon and May out on the fact that they don't even remotely resemble the star crossed lovers they are supposed to be playing and Kalos once kicked Rosetta out for giving an emotionless performance yet he says nothing to Leon? There is one conversation where Kalos and Mr.Kenneth imply that they hoped Sora could also help Leon with his issues(which she eventually did)but that that doesn't quite seem to justify keeping Leon around when all he's really done is a be a pain in the behind(and yet despite everything he did I still ship SoraxLeon).
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Oh wow this ended up being way longer than than I anticipated,oops I guess I started babbling.
Oh wow this ended up being way longer than than I anticipated,oops I guess I started babbling.
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*Okay I know New Wings was essentially Kalos and Mr.Kenneth pulling a giant Xanatos Roulette on Sora in order to make her a true Star but does that justify allowing Leon and May act like total bitches to everyone? Speaking of Leon, the guy is a total glacier and refuses to thaw until shortly before the finale,so how exactly was he an asset to Kaleido stage? Oh sure he challenges Sora and he's great on the trapeze but if he hasn't got any emotion how can anyone enjoy his performance? Cathy even calls Leon and May out on the fact that they don't even remotely resemble the star crossed lovers they are supposed to be playing and Kalos once kicked Rosetta out for giving an emotionless performance yet he says nothing to Leon? There is one conversation where Kalos and Mr.Kenneth imply that they hoped Sora could also help Leon with his issues(which she eventually did)but that that doesn't quite seem to justify keeping Leon around when all he's really done is a be a pain in the behind(and yet despite everything he did I still ship SoraxLeon).
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* Is it me or is the flow of time really wonky in this show? No one is really seen aging but according to Sora it's been at least a year since Yume was born,the characters can apparently take plane rides between Japan,Cape Mery,and France in the blink of an eye,not to mention that many of the main characters don't look or act their age
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* Is it me or is the flow of time really wonky in this show? No one is really seen aging but according to Sora it's been at least a year since Yume was born,the characters can apparently take plane rides between Japan,Cape Mery,and France in the blink of an eye,not to mention that many of the main characters don't look or act their age
age(Layla,Yuri,Leon,Rosetta in the beginning). Then there's Sophie. She's drawn to look about the same age as Sora and is thought to have died at age 15 or 16 but if Leon is supposed to be 18 during present day then he would've been 16 or so when Sophie died making her about 13 or 14 at the time(I think)and...Arrgh!! This is too confusing! Admittedly I am terrible math but this should be case of simple addition so why doesn't it add up?!*Takes a deep breath to calm down*
*Just out of curiosity when Yuri is in France is the school he attends for art? And did he initially leave Kaliedo Stage on his own after the legendary Great Maneuver or was he thrown out?
*Why is Sora's mom traveling so far while heavily pregnant? I know she was worried about Sora but it's common knowledge that women in the late stages of pregnancy should not be traveling so far and why did they wait so long to tell Sora that Midori was pregnant?
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*Just out of curiosity when Yuri is in France is the school he attends for art? And did he initially leave Kaliedo Stage on his own after the legendary Great Maneuver or was he thrown out?
*Why is Sora's mom traveling so far while heavily pregnant? I know she was worried about Sora but it's common knowledge that women in the late stages of pregnancy should not be traveling so far and why did they wait so long to tell Sora that Midori was pregnant?
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4.NitPicky things. Okay last one I promise. These are just some smaller things that stood out to me:
*Ken can't perform on stage because of his weak heart but the girls,particularly Anna, are allowed to run him ragged and generally abuse him? And why is he suddenly wearing glasses in the Legend Of Phoenix Ova?
*When Sora first finds Jonathan,Sarah says nothing about pets not being allowed in the dorms and encourages Sora to compete for money to feed Jonathan even though performers aren't allowed to have outside jobs. Now Sarah has been with Kaliedo Stage and Kalos since the beginning so she should be well aware of these rules yet she doesn't mention this to Sora. Ever.
*Is it me or is the flow of time really wonky in this show? No one is really seen aging but according to Sora it's been at least a year since Yume was born,the characters can apparently take plane rides between Japan,Cape Mery,and France in the blink of an eye,not to mention that many of the main characters don't look or act their age
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3.Layla's shoulder injury. So at the end of the first season much fuss is made about how Layla's injury was so severe she couldn't preform acrobatics anymore,yet at the end of New Wings she returns to challenge Sora for the role of Odette. Let me just say HUH?! I get that she was actually trying to "become a demon" in order to help Sora succeed but how is she able to preform any acrobatics,let alone the Angel's Maneuver,when everyone including Layla herself said she couldn't preform like that anymore? I did notice that during practice,even for the Broadway show
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3.Layla's shoulder injury. So at the end of the first season much fuss is made about how Layla's injury was so severe she couldn't preform acrobatics anymore,yet at the end of New Wings she returns to challenge Sora for the role of Odette. Let me just say HUH?! I get that she was actually trying to "become a demon" in order to help Sora succeed but how is she able to preform any acrobatics,let alone the Angel's Maneuver,when everyone including Layla herself said she couldn't preform like that anymore? I did notice that during practice,even for the Broadway show show, she was wearing some sort of pink sleeve on her shoulder which I assume is some kind of brace but that doesn't really explain anything.
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2.Show canceled. Okay so this has happened a couple of times throughout the series and it's always for the same reason,someone gets hurt before or during the show(and once a certain pissy acrobat leaving in the middle of the show)and then it's all oh no we have to cancel the shows for awhile. Okay fine that's a legitimate reason but shouldn't they have understudies ready to to go for this very reason? On a somewhat unrelated note how in the world did Leon not break his neck when he fell during Romeo and Juliet?
3.Layla's shoulder injury. So at the end of the first season much fuss is made about how Layla's injury was so severe she couldn't preform acrobatics anymore,yet at the end of New Wings she returns to challenge Sora for the role of Odette. Let me just say HUH?! I get that she was actually trying to "become a demon" in order to help Sora succeed but how is she able to preform any acrobatics,let alone the Angel's Maneuver,when everyone including Layla herself said she couldn't preform like that anymore? I did notice that during practice,even for the Broadway show
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Okay I have a couple so i apologize if this gets a little long.
1.Sora's Weakness. Okay so you know how in S2 everyone keeps saying that while Sora has alot of natural talent she's hindered because she was not formally trained and therefore lacks all the basics? Well wasn't it stated in season 1 that Sora took Gymnastics for years before coming to Kaleido Stage? Wouldn't she have learned the basics there? Not to mention that all new recruits have to take lessons before being let anywhere near the stage. Then there's May whose initial talent was ice skating NOT acrobatics,I am aware that there is overlap between ice skating,gymnastics,and ballet and while it is likely that May took lessons beforehand like sora,even so shouldn't May also need extra practice for the basics? I mean she attended,what?,one or two lessons at kaleido stage before demanding leading roles right? What gives?
Okay I have a couple so i apologize if this gets a little long.
1.Sora's Weakness. Okay so you know how in S2 everyone keeps saying that while Sora has alot of natural talent she's hindered because she was not formally trained and therefore lacks all the basics? Well wasn't it stated in season 1 that Sora took Gymnastics for years before coming to Kaleido Stage? Wouldn't she have learned the basics there? Not to mention that all new recruits have to take lessons before being let anywhere near the stage. Then there's May whose initial talent was ice skating NOT acrobatics,I am aware that there is overlap between ice skating,gymnastics,and ballet and while it is likely that May took lessons beforehand like sora,even so shouldn't May also need extra practice for the basics? I mean she attended,what?,one or two lessons at kaleido stage before demanding leading roles right? What gives?
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*[[FridgeBrilliance My...just...BWAH!]] [[TearJerker This somehow makes]] [[TruthInTelevision sense...]]
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I do think that Sora's choice deserved more credit than she got for it. She took the risk in the Legendary Great Maneuver out of SELFLESS motives: to save the Stage, to be with Layla, to give the audience a true show. And she doesn't want to take a similar risk for the SELFISH reason of participating in a competition. (And it's mentioned later that Leon wanted her to fail because HE was afraid of SORA.) It was perfectly in character for Sora not to value a competition as much as saving the Stage, but it does show in contrast with May that May IS willing to risk her life to take part in the Festival, and that's why May got in as Leon's partner. But in the end, May's motives are selfish, Leon's self-absorbed by his own issues and his behaviour is extremely selfish and abusive, and Sora's the one who's truly willing to give of herself to help the audience and her fellow cast memories.
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I do think that Sora's choice deserved more credit than she got for it. She took the risk in the Legendary Great Maneuver out of SELFLESS motives: to save the Stage, to be with Layla, to give the audience a true show. And she doesn't want to take a similar risk for the SELFISH reason of participating in a competition. (And it's mentioned later that Leon wanted her to fail because HE was afraid of SORA.) It was perfectly in character for Sora not to value a competition as much as saving the Stage, but it does show in contrast with May that May IS willing to risk her life to take part in the Festival, and that's why May got in as Leon's partner. But in the end, May's motives are selfish, Leon's self-absorbed by his own issues and his behaviour is extremely selfish and abusive, and Sora's the one who's truly willing to give of herself to help the audience and her fellow cast memories.
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-- Agreed re: Leon's despicable behaviour, but some discussion about it:
The test was if Sora was willing to die in order to compete at the Circus Festival/to be Leon's partner. Now, previously, Sora WAS willing to risk death in the Legendary Great Maneuver with Layla to rescue the Kaleido Stage. It's one of the principles of the show's ethos: a good performer HAS to be willing to take risks. And the Circus Festival is also one without a net.
I do think that Sora's choice deserved more credit than she got for it. She took the risk in the Legendary Great Maneuver out of SELFLESS motives: to save the Stage, to be with Layla, to give the audience a true show. And she doesn't want to take a similar risk for the SELFISH reason of participating in a competition. (And it's mentioned later that Leon wanted her to fail because HE was afraid of SORA.) It was perfectly in character for Sora not to value a competition as much as saving the Stage, but it does show in contrast with May that May IS willing to risk her life to take part in the Festival, and that's why May got in as Leon's partner. But in the end, May's motives are selfish, Leon's self-absorbed by his own issues and his behaviour is extremely selfish and abusive, and Sora's the one who's truly willing to give of herself to help the audience and her fellow cast memories.
