History Headscratchers / GleeSeason4

** They already did the "gay boy has crush on straight boy with tragic results" storyline with Kurt and Finn. The only difference is that Blaine and Sam have had better chemistry in half a season than Finn and Kurt had ''in the whole series''; it would be stupid to suddenly make things awkward by having Blaine spill his heart to Sam while knowing it would go nowhere. You could even say it's a case of SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome. When you're gay, developing feelings for a straight friend is all but inevitable, and you just have to let it go because nothing good ever comes out of professing your love to someone who can't love you back.

* Remember when Will was the main character? In his own wedding episode he might of had four minutes of screen-time and six lines. After getting left at the altar, the Glee kids proceed to party and be merry. Aside from Finn, nobody at the reception seems to stop to say "Poor Mr. Schue".

* Related to the above: Was the whole identity theft thing supposed to be a joke? We all know that Glee is often unrealistically overdramatic, putting little jokes in that we're probably not supposed to take seriously. Santana's "Mexican third eye" powers, for one thing; I hate to [[DontExplainTheJoke explain the joke]] but we know it's just Glee's particular brand of screwing with us. And I for one enjoy it; [[ActuallyPrettyFunny it's got almost a Far Side-esque quality to it.]] But the thing is, here we are debating Blaine's throwaway line about his family's credit being ruined. Is it supposed to be a joke? Are we taking it too seriously? This is a world where a 19 year old kid can be a thirty-something man's best friend and best man. Is it also a world where a high school cheerleading coach can ruin a family's financial life and get off scott free? Does Sue really have David Boreanaz in her black book? In short, is there a way to tell when the writers are having a laugh with their [[RefugeInAudacity absurdity]] and when they're being serious?

Discuss all issues with ''Series/{{Glee}}'s'' fourth season here.

*** In universe, Adam was probably on YouTube, seen the video, and decided to get the Apples to do it.

** They already did the "gay boy has crush on straight boy with tragic results" storyline with Kurt and Finn. The only difference is that Blaine and Sam have had better chemistry in half a season than Finn and Kurt had ''in the whole series''; it would be stupid to suddenly make things awkward by having Blaine spill his heart to Sam while knowing it would go nowhere. You could even say it's a case of RealityEnsues. When you're gay, developing feelings for a straight friend is all but inevitable, and you just have to let it go because nothing good ever comes out of professing your love to someone who can't love you back.

* Is it just me or does it seem absurdly hypocritical to having most of the glee club dog Chris Brown beating up Rihanna and Rachel swoon over the fact that Finn beat the hell out of Brody, all in the same episode? I mean, give Chris Brown all the hell you want (I'm right there with you), but don't then turn around and glorify violence in another scenario. Or is it somehow okay to beat someone into paste as long as they are the same gender as you?
** Chris beating up Rihanna was domestic abuse. Finn vs Brody was not.
*** So it is okay to beat someone half to death as long as you and they are the same gender, then?
*** No. But are you seriously saying Finn beat Brody half to death? There's a huge difference between Brody's face with the one black eye and Rihanna's face which was bloody, bruised, swollen, swollen eye shut, had contusions, bloody lips.
*** Obviously there's a difference but if you're going to do it by degrees, then where's the line? Is it okay to give someone one black eye but not two? How many bruises is too many? How much swelling is an acceptable level of swelling before you've crossed the line? How much internal bleeding is justified? And what about those who don't bruise as easily as most people, is it okay to beat them more because the damage doesn't show as much? Do you see the issue with condemning violence with one hand and applauding it with the other?
*** That is exactly the point, there are degrees, there are differences. It's not hypocritical that the show did not treat Finn vs Brody and Chris/Rihanna as the same thing, because it ISN'T the same thing. All violence is not created equally.
*** Okay, so as I said above, where's the line? When have you gone too far? And how is trashing a hotel room to pound the hell out of someone who is barely fighting back not considered crossing it?
*** Have you actually seen the fight? Brody put his hands on Finn first, Finn punched Brody. Brody threw a lamp at Finn and tackled him which caused the rolling that caused the damage. Finn punched Brody one more time and then left. It was a total of two punches. Brody was not "barely fighting back". And whatever line Finn crossed with his two punches, it is a far cry from the line Chris Brown crossed when he beat up Rihanna and left her broken, bloody, swollen and bruised
*** How is what Finn did not considered domestic abuse? He confronted Brody to tell him to leave Rachel. Sure, Finn wasn't planning to use violence, but he was still planning to intimidate Brody. I'm pretty sure that trying to scare guys away from your ex-girlfriend is domestic abuse.
*** Domestic abuse is defined as between spouses and their partners. Finn vs Brody was not domestic abuse.
*** Yeah, what Finn did to Brody wasn't domestic abuse, but what about his actions towards Rachel. Finn wasn't trying to get Brody to come clean to Rachel. He was trying to get Brody to disappear from Rachel's life. At the end of their fight, Finn calls Rachel his future wife. This is clearly possessive behavior. I think a court of law would consider this to be domestic abuse, if not stalking.
*** If Finn went to Rachel and threatened her to stop seeing Brody, you might have a case. But he did not. AGAIN Domestic abuse is between a spouses/partner and their spouse/partner. Finn made zero contact with Rachel in the episode. While there was an altercation between Finn and Brody, they are NOT partners. There is NO CASE OF DOMESTIC ABUSE.
** Plus, it can't be said that they were "glorifying" violence with the Finn and Brody thing. It seems to me that they did it fairly neutrally, leaning to Finn being the bad guy just by his sheer brutality and stupid words, but ultimately leaving it to the viewer to decide.
*** Did anyone ever condemn his actions? No. Did Rachel apologize to Brody after he told her what happened? No. Did the show in any way ever say that Brody ''didn't'' have that beating coming to him? No. Did Rachel swoon at the fact that Finn beat Brody senseless? Yes, she did. Did Rachel thank Santana for calling Finn in to "defend her honor"? Yes, she did. So we as an audience are free to feel whatever we feel about it (like we are with everything on the show), but the show ''wants'' us to feel like it was a good/romantic thing and a reason for Finn and Rachel's inevitable reunion.
*** Glorifying probably isn't the right word, but was definitely painted in a positive light.

* When they post the list with the New Directions members for the 2012-2013 term, you can see there's only nine members. Were't twelve members required to compete?

* Why wouldn't Sam tell the group that Brittany's lip-syncing demand was her channelling Britney? One could say it was because they had an hour to fill, but what did they fill it with? Brittany had no growth from the episode, she's still on a low point and the entire thing will be forgotten by the next episode.

** Yes. [[WritersCannotDoMath The writers can't use a calender]] apparently.

*** Hm I think he said it was a "semi-honourable" discharge. That might actually mean "general discharge" or "entry level separation" instead of "honourable discharge", I suppose. That said, I am perplexed over why 1.) a live round got left in his rifle; 2.) he didn't clear his rifle before cleaning; and 3.) he didn't put the safety on. Guess you could put it down to recruit mistakes, but it's still a mistake.

* I don't know how it is in highschools, but when we book a room in our college, and the room isn't occupied for 15 minutes, someone else can take over that time slot, if Sue's really booking time in the auditorium, she needs to use it or lose it.

*** Umm, being PC is a ''good thing.'' Sure, you run the risk of trying too hard and making people roll their eyes at your overpoliteness, but that's infinitely better than offending people.

*** Not necessarily. Artie wasn't the only original to be bullied, and wasn't even the one who had it the worst, that honor belongs to Kurt, and Finn could have ust as easily joined if he witnessed Kurt being thrown in a dumpster, or any of the girls getting slushied or bullied in another form.

* Isn't Puck over 18? How old is Kitty supposed to be? That's pushing some stautory rape laws.

*** In universe, Adam was probably on youtube, seen the video, and decided to get the Apples to do it.

*** Or she could be channelling Santana

*** That part of the episode actually made sense to me. Finn had been dating the emotional, melodramatic, engenue for two and half years, he's used to solving panics with the shut up kiss. The situation with Emma sparked the impulse.

*** Did you even ''watch'' the show? In season one, after giving birth to Beth she flat-out asks Puck if he ever loved her, in season two when she first starts dating Sam she does make a concentrated effort to like him beyond simple popularity and accepts his promise ring but still ends up sleeping with Finn behind his back (which had ''nothing to do with popularity'' because both Finn and Sam were on pretty equal footing at that time) because of their history and attraction to him. She very obviously has feelings for Joe towards the end of season three but ends up breaking it off because she's going off to college and long-distance relationships rarely work. It's true that Quinn might indeed be bisexual and just never realized it, but don't go claiming that she never cared about or wasn't sexually interested in any of the guys she dated just to fuel your own little lesbian fantasies.

* It's Season Four; can we for once hear who won the damn Mash-Up compition?! I know who I assume won (Boys, Girls, Troubletones, Boys), but it would be nice to actually have confirmation on this.

** Better question, why din't the Anderson's pool what's left of their money and hire someone to "shoot her?"

* What was the deal with whatever Kitty whispered to Britney on ''Fondue For Two''? Was that just her admitting to liking the Spice Girls, or does it seem like a setup for something further on (or even, was it shown but my family and I missed it)? Britney's expression seemed to me to be more like "Oh my god... should I call the cops?" than ""Oh, wow, that is ''horrifying'' taste in music!" but I would probably be one of the first to admit that I'm not good at reading facial expressions.

* I don't understand what of Rachel's alleged honour Brody was impugning with his entrepreneurial activities. Nor do I see how a random ex of hers taking a plane across the country to Scre4m his way out of a closet and attacking Brody for something he's already ashamed of having to do to survive defends her honour.

*** I'm sorry, but I don't understand that, how can you defend someone's honour when you don't have any yourself?

*** But was Finn defending her honour or was that a "side effect" of his need to assert his ownership of her?

** There is a difference between taking off your jacket during a performance and deliberatly flashing your boobs on your album cover to rack up sales, mainly because the former doesn't involve usin your body as a marketing ploy. I think what the show was trying to say was that Mercedes was worried about this being the slippery slope and her integrety being eroded away. Of couyrse, this being Glee, the message was delivered with the subtetly of a sledgehammer and wrapped up in a nauseatingly wholesome package, but what can you do?

** The age of consent is 16 in Ohio, and Kitty may or not be 16. However, in most TV shows the age of consent is 18 [[SoCalization regardless of where the show takes place.]]

** I'd dispute that she had no growth. She's trying harder in school. She has a friend (Sam) that she can turn to about her loneliness, someone that understands her, at least a little bit. True, not all of her problems are solved but that's life. As to why Sam didn't tell the group, possibly he didn't put things together until after the fact, maybe he felt that it was more important for Brittany to go on her emotional journey than worry about some stupid pep rally. (I'm assuming that the kids didn't know about the "no lip syncing" rule beforehand, none of them seemed to when Shue told them.)

*** Marley hasn't apparently been spreading it around though, except to stand up for her on that occasiona, so it wouldn't make anything worse for Marley. She also should have been reporting it at every school.

* Odd question but: did the cat actually join a gang or did someone simply put him in the outfit and Britanny assumed he did? It funny either way, I'm just curious.

** Well, it's a very emotional song and the way Santana sung it was sad. And I think she said it because it was just easier to blame her tears on the song than to aknwoledge what was going on (the break up).
* Did Klaine actually break up? Last thing Blaine said was that he didn't know what their status was and just Kurt was ignoring him. Knowing Glee, the two of them will just forgive each other in a sickenly sweet music number coupled with lots of apologies a few episodes don the line.

* How is Jake half-black, half-white, AND half-Jewish? Three halves dont make a whole.

* Isn't Sam's "I've always been totally into you" to Britanny seems like a HUGE AssPull? I mean, as far as I remember, he was totally into Quinn, then into Santana, then into Mercedes.

* Was it supposed to be a joke that Bieste thinks that all the Mayans were wiped out by the Conquistadors, or did the writers not know that, a) there are still Mayans alive today and, b) The Conquistadors attacked the ''Aztecs''. I also believe that the Mayans were The Conquistadors' allies, but I could be confusing them with another group.

* Did the girls really never think of asking guys to a dance before? I can understand this being an issue back when Coach Bieste was in high school, but modern schools are a bit more socially progressive than that.

** Emma mentionned having a brother in Showmance.

* Remember when Will was the main character? In his own wedding episode he might of had four minutes of screen-time and six lines. After getting left at the altar, the Glee kids proceed to party and be merry. Aside from Finn, nobody at the reception seems to stop to say "Poor Mr. Shue".

*** Yeah, what Finn did to Brody wasn't domestic abuse, but what about his actions towards Rachel. Finn wasn't trying to get Brody to come clean to Rachel. He was trying to get Brody to disappear from Rachel's life. At the end of their fight, Finn calls Rachel his future wife. This is clearly posessive behavior. I think a court of law would consider this to be domestic abuse, if not stalking.

** IIRC, it was a week of Kurt bitching about wanting to sing Britney and the kids hallucinating while getting their teeth fixed because...oh dear gods why DID they dredge up the single worst episode of the second season?
*** Hey now they didn't even mention [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck Furt.]]
*** Or Rocky Horror! *shudders*

* Does Tina even know what an [[HedwigAndTheAngryInch Angry Inch]] is or was that the only transgender movie she could think of? Because anyone who had seen the movie would tell you that Wade/Unique sure as hell doesn't have one.

*** That would be because the song is the acoustic rock cover done by JonathanCoulton, despite him not being credited in any way.

*** {{Jossed}} (in a sense). When the plot hole was brought up on Twitter, instead of using this explanation, [[WordOfGod Ryan Murphy]] responded more along the lines of "Yeah, but it's a TV show so get over it." In other words, TheyJustDidntCare.

** This is true for a lot of American television. For some reason, "bitch" is not as bad as "shit", where as in British television (take Television/{{Sherlock}} for example) where John says "shit" multiple times throughout the series.

** This is true for a lot of American television. For some reason, "bitch" is not as bad as "shit", where as in British television (take Television/{{Sherock}} for example) where John says "shit" multiple times throughout the series.

* So it's establish both before and after this episode that Finn hasn't been in contact with anyone since leaving for boot camp. So how did he know where Kurt and Rachel lived? He probably just called his mom, who's married to Kurt's dad--they don't have to show every boring detail, you know.

** It's implied that he is some form of IntellectualAnimal judging by the amount of things he is seen or said to be doing over the series (e.g; chores, smoking, being addicted to ecstasy, reading Scientology). Plus according to Marley when she used her animal physic powers thing he's trying to lose weight and apparently has a gambling addiction.