This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
I changed Phlebotinum Breakdown, from "trapping him in near-lightspeed" to "trapping him in constant high-speed". Clock Up is nowhere near that. Remember it matches up with Faiz Axel's mach 50, not to mention the many instances of things moving in slow motion as they fight.
SynjoDeonecros: I dunno who keeps on deleting my entry for Power-Up Letdown, but it's getting annoying, since it is true; when Tsukasa used them, the Den-O Attack Ride cards were useless — all they did were to turn him into one of Den-O's alternate modes and strike a pose, that's it. Even Tsukasa admitted they were useless to him when he tried them.
Midonin: That was me. They were already covered on the page under Joke Item, which I think fits better, but I suppose both could be allowed.
Arrow: We could just combine them; I've seen other articles do that. Have it listed as "Joke Item/Power-Up Letdown" in one spot.
Midonin: I'll do that now. Sounds like a good compromise.
SynjoDeonecros: I got rid of the part in Dark World that says it was Tsukasa's home world, because it's not; it was created specifically to fool Tsukasa into thinking it was his world, and therefore stay.
Alessar: Also, Natsumi's friends didn't turn evil — they were killed and replaced by Dark Rider imposters. I think the whole bit under a spoiler tag should just be deleted.
Tokuiten: TMR, please stop changing Diend to DiEnd. It looks fugly in text and even fuglier in code. So far, Pikawil has reverted you twice, and I've reverted you twice. Please don't try and start a fight over this.
TMR: but that's how it's supposed to be spelled, and the way it looks is simply a matter of opinions, and mine is just as good as yours
Arrow: Considering every source I can find, most especially his page on the official website
, spell it with all capitals, I don't know how you can tell that's supposed to be official anyways.
Triassicranger: Before anyone says it again, the Den-O World was not the same world from the tv show. The Other Wiki fluffed. Just because most of the cast returned, it doesn't mean it was the same world. It just means most of the cast returned.
Arrow: I hate to even bring that argument over here, but didn't Cho Den-O just provide a concrete reason for Ryotaro still being a kid that removes the major claim people use of why it's not the same world out of the running?
Tokuiten: Hmm—I think the main piece of evidence is that the interior of the DenLiner is completely different. Granted, it's a pretty minor difference, but you have to wonder why they did that...
arromdee: In the Final Countdown movie, which introduces the same interior later seen in the Decade crossover:
Got it, it's at around 14 minutes.
- It's new!It smells new!This is amazing.Naomi-chan, what happened?No idea. Owner suddenly did this.
So the redecoration of the interior is clearly an in-story change and is noticed as new by the characters. The Decade crossover uses the same interior, so this doesn't mean that it's a different world at all.
They did change the exterior of the train (the train seen in Final Countdown is blue, but it's not in the Decade crossover) but considering that everything else is the same, including the two supposed differences, I'm more inclined to say that the train was painted than to call it a different world. So I'm changing the entry again,
Midonin: It's listed on a page for "Alternate Rider Worlds" on the official site. Every single other Rider World in the series is alternate. Den-O is not an exception to this.
arromdee: If you are referring to http://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/decade/arworld/index.html, those are alternate worlds in the sense of being other Earths than the one Decade comes from, not being other Earths than their original series. It includes the Nega-world and Shinkenger, and we know that Shinkenger is the same as the original series.
Midonin: It also links to the show's official website. Den-O doesn't do that.
Pikawil: Because the Shinkenger World is an Intercontinuity Crossover, whereas Den-O's world is merely a Bat Family Crossover? Well, that's my farfetched, utterly stretched reasoning here, so pardon me.
arromdee: I suspect there is no reason except that the guy who created the page didn't happen to think of putting it in. Saying "It doesn't link to the show's official website, so it's not in continuity" is really strained.
Midonin: I had to go for that because the basic logic of "It's a Rider series in Decade and is not immune to being an Alternate Universe" was already ignored.
Triassicranger: I regret bringing the debate over here, I was under the impression this had been resolved months ago. Although with the sub of Cho Den-O and Decade being released I was made aware of this debate again.
This is something that someone on another forum raised. Decade's mission was to kill the duplicate riders (the ones from the A.R. Worlds). If Den-O world was the same one from the show, that means he'd have to kill the real Ryotaro.
arromdee: I don't recall any dialog which stated that the riders from the worlds were duplicates in the sense of not being ones from the original series. Do you have a reference?
Triassicranger: Well chibi-Wataru and Kazuma (Decade) certainly weren't their originals.
arromdee: It's obvious that most are, but there's a big difference between most and all, and I don't think "all" was ever said.
