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- The Federation in ''Blake's 7 is very very corrupt and oppressive, but this should not be taken as a subversion of the trope.
...why not? O I was wondering about that. I think maybe it’s because it is really The Empire in all but name. I think it’s still a subversion myself -joeyjojo
thatother1dude: does the World Government from One Piece count? It's an actual Federation (autonomous nations and they just use the Navy to provide global stability), and is corrupted in many different places.
DonBoy: isn't the logo of B7's Federation the same as the Star Trek Federation, but turned on its side? Probably not a co-incidence.
Nobodymuch: How is this a villain trope?
