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From YKTTW Working Title: RapePillageAndBurn
Solarn Nitpicky assertion: "This problem was not resolved until power, money, and land was consolidated into noblemen and kings rich enough..." needs better phrasing, because I am now thinking of vast amounts of power, money and landscape randomly vanishing and leaving nobles in their place.
- Melloncollie: I changed "into" to "under". Is that better?
irateidiotTrue, but concentrating on the grave robbing only covers the 'plunder' part; the 'rape' (and mutilate) and burn parts still happened. A lot. On both sides, although the US Army generally started the tit-for-tat in any given region. Most of Europe and the Asia-Pacific region have great reason to thank US governments and the military for the huge improvements in racial policy between then and WWI and WWII.
- **Nornagest: Although I don't doubt that the American army engaged in some very literal rape and pillage during the Indian wars, I believe this particular complaint would be better placed on a page about grave robbing. We do have a page about grave robbing, don't we?* Although it's a cliche in many Westerns to have Native Americans raiding towns and camps, the United States systematically plundered and destroyed many Native American sacred sites. This practice continued well into the 20th century until it was banned by the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act in 1990.
Melloncollie: I found it on That Other Wiki's article on "plunder", So Yeah. I thought it fit with the Nazis example (pillaging on a large scale), but on second thought they are kind of different. If you think it doesn't fit I'll move it.
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Actually, I can't seem to find a grave robbing article. I'll leave the example on here until we find a more suitable place.We do now.
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irateidiot The trope page header implies that this is an old issue; much of Africa, some of Asia, and a fair bit of eastern Europe still has to cope with this sort of atrocity whenever war breaks out.
Melloncollie: "This is generally a problem in areas without a strong government to keep order." There ya go, buddy. Rape, Pillage, and Burn, in fiction, tends to appear in older time periods, so that's why it's written that way. I haven't seen very many works set in modern Eastern Europe where Rape, Pillage, and Burn appears. However, the sentence I bolded still leaves room for modern examples.
