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Looney Toons: The line
confuses me. An opaque version implies that Aang is normally transparent. Perhaps the contributor got these reversed?
Ununnilium: I think so, yes. "Translucent" might be better, though.
Lale: Choice of wording aside, the Avatar is not a god, as implied in the show and as explicitly stated in the Avatar Escape game. So it's not even an example.
Wiki: Godlike is close enough, not to mention the cosmic element. Eh, though it was surprising interesting, that whole Avatar Escape thingie should'nt be taken all that seriously, its pretty obvious they're making it up as they go along. Good thing they're good at it.
Seth: Avatar doesnt fit the KOAC role, he is a bridge between the spirit realm and the physical thats all.
Harpie Siren: I removed the Avatar entry again. If it doesn't fit, then it doesn't fit, don't try to shoehorn it in.
Wiki: In for a long one. I was just gonna slap it back it, again, but when I saw Seth, I felt like addin some clarification along. M’kay so I was a bit sketchy with "close enough". Basically, though the Avatar and the Avatar Spirit (which the colossal, Celestial thingie personifies) inhabit the same being, they're are two separate entities (nice word there). The Avatar spirit is an powerful, inhuman entity that holds the power of the universe, while the Avatar is the human that it currently inhabits. Its about as King of All Cosmos as "the Truth" in the FMA manga, with the situation between them and the protagonists being similar. And ya’know not like a lose a finger everytime an Avatar thingie gets deleted, but, like with everything else, I feel that reasons be justified. For instance, no matter how manner times I read it over, I still don’t get how Zuko fits in He's Back!. Still don’t know what a shoehorn is.
Seth: A shoehorn is a tool to help you fit into shoes that are too small for you or slightly the wrong shape. We don't use them any more but the phrase now means to put something somewhere it doesn't really fit - coming up with long explanations that dont really work. (The exact definition is "to force objects or people into an insufficient space") I call it reaching and its the reason i went all holocaust on half the Avatar examples. One dedicated user saw Avatar anywhere (I don't blame you its a spectacular show) and whilst reading the catalouge decided to add them).
KOAC is not for gods or god like characters its for a particular eastern depiction of gods as semi bureaucratic humane characters. The avatar spirit is just a very powerful spirit that through millennia of resurrection and rebirth has become god like - but is not a god and definitely not a KOAC.
Wiki: Ya'know I think I've seen one of those things before, wondered what it was. And eh, yeah the show's alright. The Truth kid kinda seems out of place though, and still don't get that He's Back! entry.
Lale: Feel free to delete it, then, but my theory was that the trope covers situations where a character loses faith in himself and wallows in self-doubt for awhile but finally makes a comeback. The Zuko of Season 2 was a drastically different character than the Zuko of Season 1, but his old self re-emerged in that lethal battle in the Crystal Catacombs. I didn't think the character had to be the protagonist- or for the change to be a good thing- to count.
Wiki: The He's Back! trope clearly doesn't apply to just protagonistic characters, I just feel its too soon to call for Zuko. Yes he fought and everything (keep in mind of The Chase), but we have yet to see if he has reverted back to his original character, which his last scene strongly indicated otherwise. Keep in mind, I'm not on of those fans who are all "Its all just an act, he's tricking Azula, he'll join up with the gang in the end, then have lots and lots of babies with Katara....", (you see where I'm going) I'm more of a "Yeah speculation's fun and all, but how bout we just wait and see what happens?" kinda fan, ya'know?
Lale: I agree with the above completely, but I don't see any reason to say a trope doesn't count now just because it may not count in the future.
Prfnoff: I put in a link to Celestial Bureaucracy, and removed various examples of it from here.
slowroasted: God in South Park was Mormon, or so I recall from the episode where Satans two boyfriends kill each other repeatedly. Changing it.
