This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Working Title: One/Two Musicals Trope(s): From YKTTW
Camacan: Thanks, Tzintzuntzan, for posting Dark Reprise on KYTTW. It is a excellent and notable music trope. We need more musical tropes! :-)
The Defenestrator: Would the part of Westside Story where the gangs are getting ready to fight and it cuts between them and Maria singing Tonight count as a sarcastic echo?
Well, it's not really the same song, so I say it'd be more of a sarcastic ...juxtaposition? Man, I hate it when I can't think of the word. Just my two cents.
Camcan: @The Defenestrator. It has to be an example, doesn't it? A quintet that constrasts plans for love with plans for violence? Gotta be an example of this trope. It's not quite a sarcastic echo though: more ... um ... tragic juxtaposition.
Kizor: Trope and discussion page restored from Google cache following the Crash of '08. YKTTW apparently lost. Trope examples not formatted as I was on the last line when I accidentally clicked on the ad bar and TV Tropes ate my edit. someone else do it, pleeeease?
Ununnilium: So why isn't Sarcastic Echo an entirely separate trope?
Daibhid C: The Muppets' Christmas Carol has a "Light Reprise": "The Love Is Gone" sung by Belle becomes "The Love We've Found" in the closing scene. "Thank You Very Much" from Scrooge might qualify as well, although the original version is rather jolly for a song about how you're glad someone's dead...
Prfnoff: I'd argue that this is not a reprise:
- "What's the Use of Wondering" from Carousel—Julie first sings it to encourage and comfort Carrie after the latter has a very public argument with her fiance, Enoch Snow. Right afterward, Julie catches Billy sneaking away to pull off a robbery. She doesn't quite know what's going on, but she clearly sees through Billy's excuse that he and Jigger want to start the treasure hunt. She offers to go with him instead, but when her pleas fail, the girls sing it in an ensemble version that foreshadows Billy's death. "What's the use of wondering if the ending will be sad?"
The article mentions that "A Little Priest" is given a Dark Reprise in Sweeney Todd. Since my brain has apparently died on me, what song is it reprised in?
Carterboy: Towards the end, just before Todd kills Mrs. Lovett. The latter reprises virtually every song she sang in the musical, including A Little Priest. She starts off with a reprise of Poor Thing. Once Todd joins in, though, they're right into reprising A Little Priest. It's not obviously darker A Little Priest, unless you know the context and what's to immediately follow.
Prfnoff: Corrected the Carousel example on when the reprise was added.
