This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Forced Fit launched as Compressed Vice: From YKTTW
Ununnilium: The Back To The Future example doesn't really fit - for one thing, it wasn't something that was just used once, but cropped up repeatedly.
Andyzero: I agree. I think the emphasis is more that this vice comes out of nowhere then that it vanishes, unless someone has multiple examples of that. If we just remove that part, it should be fine.
Ununnilium: Pulling out the ones that don't go away afterward:
- In the movie Back to the Future Part II, we learn that suddenly Marty can't turn down a dare (this was added when the writers realized that Marty wouldn't have any flaws otherwise).
- The 1970's Green Lantern/Green Arrow series, widely praised at the time for introducing "realistic" issues to comics, was full of these. For instance, Green Arrow's ward Speedy became a junkie in a single story solely to get across an anti-drug point.
Umptyscope: Marge Simpson's gambling addiction. Homer's flower-eating addiction ("My secret shame!")
osh:: IIRC, Marge's addiction did come up again, only to get interrupted and chastised by Comic Book Guy bitching about them reusing an old episode idea.
Dimensio: Could this be expanded to include one-off quirks that are not necessarily vices or flaws? For example, some habit of a character that prompts others to know what they're thinking. Ie; "I know you're nervous/not telling us everything/excited/etc because you're doing X and you always do X in those situations" where the character has never done X before and is never seen doing it outside of that episode? For example, in the Voyager episode Dark Frontier, Chakotay comments that Janeway fiddles with her comm badge when she is about to "drop a bombshell", even though she's never been shown doing that before or since.
Jefepato: Kind of similar, although a Compressed Vice tends to be a larger part of the episode than that.
Lale: That Avatar paragraph made no sense. Use adverbs sparingly and prepositions correctly. I'd have corrected it, but... I couldn't make head or tail out of what they were going for. Her bipolarism is covered elsewhere.
Wiki: K, Grammar fetishes aside, the thing still fits Compressed Vice to pin or plug or somethin, hence why your reasoning against it isn't all that, I don't know, convincing. I'll make the neccessary changes or whatever, but like I said, it really fits, especially in comparison to a good 300 other examples.
Lale: I didn't argue against it! How could I when I didn't understand it?
Wiki: Ok wow, sorry. I retract the comment. I mean you're not giving me all that much to go on when you just go ahead and delete it and then give loose reasons. God you replied to that one real fast.
—- igordebraga: Removed
- In this 1950s cartoon, Goofy is shown to be heavily addicted to nicotine, despite never showing much addiction before (and maybe not showing him smoking before).
Because those Goofy shorts were mostly unrelated (such as the "How to" series). Two similar ones come to mind: one where he is a maniacal driver, and another were he is having sleep problems.
—- Korval: Removed this:
- A species-wide example comes up in the Babylon 5 episode There All the Honor Lies, with the extreme Minbari beliefs about honour and honesty that drive that episode's plot; Not only are they never mentioned again, even where they would be extremely relevant, but they seem very much at odds with the actual behaviour of most Minbari characters in other episodes. It's particularly out of character (and hypocritical) for Delenn to be so concerned about it in this episode.
- It's not true that the Minbari never lying is not mentioned again; it is, in fact, mentioned several times. Right off the top of her head, this troper can think of the examples of the captain believing Lennier after he and Londo got in the bar fight because "minbari do not lie" and Delenn telling Sheridan during some of their romantic byplay that "Minbari do not lie." There are probably a few more as well... one thing Strazcynski was good at was continuity over the course of five seasons and mulitple episodes.
The explanation shows that it simply isn't an example of this. And it doesn't even mention other cases where this comes up. Like where Lennier tells a little lie to get an annoying guy to go away, and immediately thereafter says that he will do penance later. And, if one wishes to look at it like this, Karma decides he'll do penance right now, as he get grievously wounded almost immediately thereafter.
