This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Cold Sniper launched as ColdSniperDiscussion: From YKTTW
Working Title: Cold Sniper: From YKTTW
Unknown Troper: Removed 40K under-examples for being a debate issue and because I feel vindicares are a non-example; they're trained to be that way, whereas most army snipers most definitively are not (not to mention that vindicares aren't army snipers, they're assassins).
Koveras: I have moved the article from War Tropes index to Military Tropes because that's where character articles actually belong...
Fast Eddie: Too many quotes. Please see Administrative Policy
Bob: The middle one fits the article, so I'm putting it back.
Fast Eddie: Not so much if suits the article or not, as it is too long. We want to get to the actual article on the page as quickly as possible. I moved it to one side. You might consider using it as an example.
// Later: What we have to say on a subject is more important than some quote.
(random passer-by): I'm looking over the main article and I do not feel competent to make changes to it, but I would say, based mainly on being from a family where military service is very common, and also on reading too much military history, that there may be, in Real World terms, more similarity than you might expect between the sniper and an ordinary rifleman. Both use weapons designed for work at a distance against specific targets, even if one has an optical sight and one doesn't. I would also say that in most Western militaries the sniper is a very highly trained specialist, trained not only in marksmanship but also in camouflage, with a particular job. They may operate in two-man teams, one shooter and one spotter, and may spend more time observing enemy units and talking on the radio as they do engaging the enemy directly. A battalion may have a scout-sniper platoon of eight or ten such two-man teams as part of its battlefield reconnaisance capability. And at squad level there are now "designated marksmen" using rifles equipped with optical sights, who have a rather different job, that of providing precise long-range support fire for the rest of the rifle squad as a supplement to the LMG or SAW team. And yes, in Eastern armies organized along Soviet lines, they tend to have a sniper team at platoon level who stays close to the platoon, and whose job is similar to that of a US DM team: to supplement the firepower of the rifle platoon with precise long-range fire, rather than operating independently in a reconnaisance role (and Soviet military doctrine tended to favor using the radio or field phone to call for an artillery bombardment when the infantrymen spot the enemy too far away to engage efficiently with assault rifles, rather than spend money training specialist long-range marksmen for that role). What any of this has to do with the fictional depiction of such men is problematic, but I would look at the article on The Stoic as I think there may be some overlap here. Thanks.
Madrugada: I removed the "Not Truth in Television" natter from the Real Life Examples, since that point is made in the description. It doesn't need to be repeated. If it's replaced, there better be a very convincing reason for saying the same thing twice in the explanation line..
