Opened. Personally, I'd prefer Media Notes over definition-only since this is tied to platforms and not works, in contrast to how Definition-Only Pages tied to video games, such as Speedrun, are tied to games and not systems.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 1st 2024 at 12:30:21 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I don't think "a console system has support after the next-gen comes out" is even noteworthy becuase it's a given, the general "end of life of support" time is about 7 years after the release of the next system. If there's anything of note on the topic, those can be mentioned at respective consoles' descriptions, which they normally should be there already.
Some examples are misused as "a game recieves updates / new content after the sequel cames out", which is worth yarding as Trivia.
Edited by Amonimus on May 2nd 2024 at 12:04:24 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupAll points are valid and the proposal is sound.
"As long as I have my comrades with me, I can do anything!" (She/Her) (Current Focus: Cleaning Hell Is That Noise misuse)Agreed.
It's time the Daddy System retires.
Edited by Nen_desharu on May 2nd 2024 at 11:15:59 AM
Kirby is awesome.Yeah, I'm gonna say cut for this, not worth keeping.
Either turn into Media Notes or the proposal in 3.
Cutting (as opposed to redirecting or disambiguating) is on the table if that's what's preferred. This has 954 inbounds since 2012 despite existing since 2008, so it's not doing too well in that department.
Yarding is a free action, so we can just sandbox the examples Amonimus mentioned if we strip this of its trope status (whether it's by cutting or moving to Media Notes).
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 2nd 2024 at 12:10:31 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.For the record, I've voted for a cut, while yarding is just a nice suggestion anyone can pick up.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanupto cutting and yarding.
Edited by BlackMage43 on May 2nd 2024 at 2:12:40 AM
I would only support a Media Notes move, at least without a rename, if this is a pre-existing term; as it stands it feels more like the intention is to trope game systems as if they were works themselves, and punting that sort of thing to Media Notes feels like a bad precedent. But it looks like consensus is leaning towards cutting anyway, so...
It doesn't seem like a pre-existing term by the Google results. They come up with nothing about consoles but the TV Tropes page.
I'd go for turning to Media Notes.
Oo oo ah ahShould we holler for a crowner?
Silver and gold, silver and goldCrowner hooked since it seems to just be between either moving to Media Notes or cutting.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I changed my mind and voted to move it to Media Notes.
If moved to Media Notes, I'm in favour of renaming the trope as nowhere else uses the term "Daddy System" to refer to predecessor consoles concurrently released with successor consoles.
Edited by Nen_desharu on May 12th 2024 at 11:40:25 AM
Kirby is awesome.Calling in favor of moving to Media Notes, but since renaming was suggested, I'll hook a crowner regarding whether to choose a clearer name.
Edit: Hooked.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 13th 2024 at 3:06:30 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.We should come up with new names.
I propose the name Cross-Generation Console or Cross-Generation Video Game Console or similar to mirror Cross-Generation Video Game.
Edited by Nen_desharu on May 13th 2024 at 6:42:46 AM
Kirby is awesome.Calling in favor of renaming. We'll need a list of names, and probably also more time to come up with names.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 16th 2024 at 6:43:13 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Crown Description:
Consensus was to move Daddy System (which refers to predecessor consoles concurrently released with successor consoles) to Media Notes since it's a concept related to Platforms instead of works, but renaming the page during the move was suggested because few (if any) other places use the term "Daddy System". Should it be renamed?
Daddy System is defined as “a situation in which both a ‘next-gen’ console and its predecessor are both still being made, sold, and developed for concurrently.” Many examples on the page attempt to apply the trope to Platforms, even though platform pages don’t allow examples of tropes, or Creators, even though the Real Life Troping page would frown upon this. There are also examples on the page that attempt to apply the trope to specific Video Games. These examples would be a better fit for Cross-Generation Video Game.
In my Wick Check, I checked all 25 wicks. Only 6 of these are examples of Daddy System in trope lists. Of these, 2 attempt to apply the trope to creators, and 4 attempt to apply the trope to specific video games.
My suggestion is to make this page a Media Note. Another option would be to make this page a Definition-Only Page, since I’ve seen wicks to this page in the forums. A third option would be to add fictional examples of “next-gen” consoles and their predecessors being developed for concurrently and put everything else in the Real Life folder, but I highly doubt we would be able to find enough fictional examples.
Wick Check
The Original Sin was Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s, a poorly-received sequel to the excellent Guitar Hero II, made by Harmonix under contract after Activision bought the series. Neversoft (under Activision) made Guitar Hero III and onward, with Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, Guitar Hero: Metallica, Guitar Hero: Smash Hits, Guitar Hero: Van Halen, Guitar Hero: On Tour — Decades, Guitar Hero: On Tour — Modern Hits, and two different versions of Band Hero (one for DS and one for consoles).
Harmonix themselves would continue this trend on their own with Rock Band Track Packs (bare-bones game discs with songs taken from the game's vast DLC library, for players stuck on consoles with no DLC or who want to get the songs for slightly cheaper), a LEGO Adaptation Game, and band-specific sequels.