Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
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I believe we should wait before discussing the MCU pages. It will be a hell of cleanup.
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Same thing with the Arrowverse pages. Like there are so many that it is just going to be overwhelming
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We may have to change the Arrowverse Navi to have a similar format to MCU, where each Navi only contains the related pages, or at least only pages related to each specific show.
Cleanup of Arrowverse pages is just far too much of a pain in the ass otherwise when a new page is added or cut.
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I believe pages should only be merged back if they have no variant folders below. Fisk, Dex, and Harrow can be merged back but the other pages need to stay because their variant folders cause pages like MCU: Multiverse to have too many bytes. Other than that, I agree to hold off this discussion and I think it should take place in the MCU Character Pages forum so this forum is free to discuss other franchises
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Apr 15th 2024 at 2:41:09 AM
Bumping to leave a link here regarding what can be done about the many God of War CSP's and character pages.
Going through Characters.Rick And Morty The Citadel according to this suggestion, it also has several people in various sub-headings, and I think re-merging them to the Variants page (with Evil Morty) might push it to Too Long. So, should I just merge Evil Morty's page to the Citadel while keeping the Citadel's page itself?
Edited by kuchiki222 on Apr 15th 2024 at 3:28:40 AM
Also, in Characters.Grand Theft Auto V, Grand Theft Auto V - Protagonists is 70,805 bytes Grand Theft Auto V – Michael De Santa is 56,804 bytes whereas Grand Theft Auto V – Trevor Philips is 104,621 bytes. Combining all of them would result in less than 230k bytes. Michael's page could be merged back, but should I merge Trevor's page or keep him?
Edited by kuchiki222 on Apr 15th 2024 at 3:47:08 AM
Animu
Merge Michael only
Merging both citadel and evil morty will only push it to 210k character, which won't give the too long warning.
Edited by animuacid on Apr 15th 2024 at 1:01:44 PM
Question, how accurate is the counter that is shown when editing a page?
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3x Merge Michael only
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I don't know how accurate it is for bytes, but for characters I'd say it's pretty accurate. I use it to approximate bytes.
Also, I merged that Triceraton page into Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012): Other Villains.
Edited by ACW on Apr 15th 2024 at 8:16:07 AM
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Going over Yandere Simulator:
- Characters.Yandere Simulator Main Characters (113,546)
- Characters.Yandere Simulator Female Students (142,951)
- Characters.Yandere Simulator Male Students (62,402)
- Characters.Yandere Simulator Other Characters (119,687)
- Characters.Yandere Simulator1980s Mode (117,136)
Ayano is an easy merge back to the main characters folder. Is it safe to also merge the male and female students in a new folder?
Any suggestions on how to split the Main Character sections of Characters.Final Fantasy VII Remake? The pages were already split by Games the characters were introduced in but that didn't help much since Remake has more characters with bigger entries, so it's already over 300k and giving a length warning.
Breakdown:
- Characters.Final Fantasy VII Remake Main Characters (23,478)
- Only a General Group folder
- Characters.Final Fantasy VII Remake Main Characters (316,692)
- Cloud: 88,412
- Barret: 39,667
- Tifa: 64,270
- Aerith: 63,981
- Red XIII: 24,451
- Yuffie: 35,284
- Characters.Final Fantasy VII Remake Rebirth Main Characters (56,024)
- Cait Sith: 18,431
- Cid: 3,375
- Vincent: 13,762
- Zack: 19,831
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Maybe it's worth considering giving Cloud a page given how big he is. Otherwise splitting by entry was the sensible option.
Edited by IkeaHan on Apr 15th 2024 at 3:07:17 AM
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Yeah. Recreating Cloud's page seems like the simplest option.
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Yeah I think giving Cloud his own page is the best idea.
So, what are we going to do with the Ghostface page? Masterminds/Accomplishes or Old/New generation?
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I say the former, because both generations share a continuity, don't they?
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Speaking of Final Fantasy VII, anybody have comments about merging Sephiroth as I stated here
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Edited by StalkerGamer on Apr 15th 2024 at 11:12:11 AM
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I will say, given the status of FFVII (and by extension, VIIR) in the fandom, it's probably worth giving the folders a skim looking for walls of text and non-character tropes.
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Don’t Forget about the Wayfinder trio!
Both Characters.Grand Theft Auto IV and Characters.Grand Theft Auto V have a lot of small character pages (especially IV). For GTA V,
- Grand Theft Auto V - Friends, Family, and Associates (137,415 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto V - Heist Crew Members (36,007 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto V - Characters from Grand Theft Auto IV (34,126 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto V - Other Characters (34,027 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto V DJs (19,392 bytes)
Perhaps I could merge Heist Crew Members to Friends, Family and Associates page and D Js to other characters, but returning characters may be kept separate due to being a separate category altogether.
For GTA IV,
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Protagonists (69,368 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Associates of Niko Bellic (34,747 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - The Lost MC (36,767 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Maisonette 9 (15,107 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Hillside Posse (6,237 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Russian Mafia (45,939 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Spanish Lords (8,439 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - McReary Crime Family (39,313 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - North Holland Hustlers (16,570 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - United Liberty Paper (9,004 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Pegorino Family (32,448 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Ancelotti Crime Family (8,015 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Gambetti Crime Family (3,645 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers (5,006 bytes)
- Grand Theft Auto IV - Other Characters (37,542 bytes)
Perhaps I can make a separate page combining the protagonists' allies in lieu of GTA V above (The Lost MC, Niko's Associates, Maisonette 9 and Hillside Posse), as well as merging United Liberty Paper to Other Characters. The other criminal pages perhaps could be merged in a new page altogether, such as Crime Families and Other Criminal Organizations or something.
Should I go ahead with the proposed merges? Or anything else needed to be done?
Edited by kuchiki222 on Apr 16th 2024 at 12:23:34 PM
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Can we halt on merging until we discuss things with the people involved with the MCU CSP forum? Part of the reason we created those CSP pages is because we wanted to take out space from the MCU: Multiverse page, and the inclusion of the Variants folders in said character pages also makes re-merging much more complicated.
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