Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
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maybe split his two personas (Saul and Jimmy) into separate page?
Anna and Elsa should be merged together under a new page (like Snow Sisters?)
- The Nostalgia Critic: The Critic (1,161 bytes)
- The Nostalgia Critic: The Critic: Tropes A-E (66,498 bytes)
- The Nostalgia Critic: The Critic: Tropes F-M (50,680 bytes)
- The Nostalgia Critic: The Critic: Tropes N-Z (76,626 bytes)
Total is 194,965. Merge?
He/Him
Yes
Jogo
Anybody want to give input on the Miraculous Ladybug merges suggested here? I'll do the heroes pages at a later time btw.
Animu
Merge Lila and Chloe, not sure about changing the name of Moth's page
Memetic Loser Mother
I'd say merge Lila and Chloe, but keep Hawk Moth (atleast for now)
Animu
Someone split off Characters.Miraculous Ladybug Heroes without discussion into Characters.Miraculous Ladybug Luka Couffaine and Characters.Miraculous Ladybug Kagami Tsurugi, each having less thank 40k character length. Paging ~Strix Obscuro here, they should check out the policy.
Characters.Rick And Morty is as follows:
- Rick and Morty: The Smith-Sanchez Family (38,974 bytes, already below 40k bytes)
- Rick and Morty: Rick Sanchez (177,652 bytes)
- Rick and Morty: Morty Smith (70,641 bytes)
- Rick and Morty: Jerry Smith (57,239 bytes)
- Rick and Morty: Beth Smith (64,157 bytes)
- Rick And Morty: Summer Smith (53,739 bytes)
- Rick and Morty: Variants (69,051 bytes)
- Rick and Morty: The Citadel (54,367 bytes)
- Rick and Morty: Evil Morty (65,670 bytes)
Should I go ahead with the proposed merges or any other suggestions?
Edited by kuchiki222 on Apr 13th 2024 at 8:02:56 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Memetic Loser Mother
What about Beth and Jerry variants ? Should they go on Rick and Morty: Variants ?
Perhaps I could move them to the Variants page under separate heading, or merge them to the Smith-Sanchez family, but not sure what to do. Any suggestions?
Edited by kuchiki222 on Apr 13th 2024 at 10:34:46 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Animu
Memetic Loser Mother
3x Maybe like this on Rick and Morty: Variants:
Rick and Morty Variants
Beth Variants
Jerry Variants
Edited by StalkerGamer on Apr 13th 2024 at 3:34:23 PM
Sure thing, will do that.
For The Simpsons
- The Simpson Family (50,683 characters)
- Homer Simpson (114,330 characters)
- Marge Simpson (44,908 characters)
- Bart Simpson (68,249 characters)
- Lisa Simpson (63,091 characters)
Marge can easily be added back. Adding back Lisa would make it 158,682 characters. Adding back Bart would push it to 226,931, which is closer to limit, but not over. Other thoughts?
Animu
Only merge Lisa and Marge for now. It's a long runner and all of these characters can gain tropes in the future.
Memetic Loser Mother
Merge only Marge and Lisa (for now)
Characters.Fullmetal Alchemist
Easy merge
Scar and Mustang can both be merged
- Fullmetal Alchemist: Homunculi (236k)
- Fullmetal Alchemist: Father (67k)
- Fullmetal Alchemist: Envy (56k)
The Homunculi page is getting the too long warning, so Father's page isn't going anywhere. Not sure what to do with Envy's page or how to split the Homunculi page.
- Lust (23k)
- Gluttony (13k)
- Both Greeds (40k)
- Wrath (32k)
- Sloth (14k)
- Pride (32k)
- Affiliates (52k)
The Greeds could get their own page. Given that the three of them are introduced together, Lust and Gluttony could share a page with Envy. Wrath and Pride could theoretically share a page. Personal preference is to split off the affiliates into their own page.
What do you think?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'd say split off the affiliates.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
In regards to Wraith you could merge his page with his King Bradly persona from under Military and make them a single page that could be split off.
Another option would be to merge Wriath, Pride and their respective King Brady and Selim Bradley persona’s from the Military page along with Ms Bradly (the latter of whom is also under the military page) and merge them into a collective family group page instead.
Edited by Will426 on Apr 13th 2024 at 5:40:59 AM
Though a lot of the Bradley tropes are redundant to ones in Wrath's folder. Might need to clean that up, actually. Given that it's probably better to split affiliates since the page is getting the warning right now. Sounds like a good option in the future though.
Going to merge Ed, Scar and Mustang, splitting Homunculi Affiliates, leaving Father and Envy alone.
Edited by Malginel on Apr 13th 2024 at 5:47:59 AM
Can we keep Rick and Morty: The Citadel separate? Being an established society it could probably use the space.
Sounds like a good idea. I also just wanted to point out that I checked Bradly’s page and only about half his tropes are shared with Wraith’s Page, so in the future (obviously not right now) it would be a good idea to clean up Bradly’s page by removing the duplicates and then merge his page with Wraiths since the two of them are the same person.
