This page deals with Wild Mass Guesses for games and species in the Hoenn region. For non-game and non-Hoenn game WMGs, please refer to the appropriate page in the Pokemon WMG Index.
- Well, she is supposedly an angel, and we all know how bizarre they are. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a whole lot of eyes underneath the skin.
- Ralts appears as an adorably Moe / Token Mini-Moe / flat-out Woobie, all tiny and vulnerable and appearing to need a good, loving trainer to protect it.
- Kirlia adds in the Girlish Pigtails and potiential Wholesome Crossdresser vibe to inspire even more of a Big Brother Instinct in its trainer (or a Big Sister Instinct).
- Gardevoir is all about inspiring PSL: a vision of beauty who is completely and utterly devoted to their master.
- Gallade was developed by the line to cater to would-be trainers put off by the possibility of Bridget-drop, and/or those looking for a more action-hero type Pokemon.
Simultaneously, its constant search for bigger pearls to amplify its psychic powers and consumption of mushrooms would imply that it has next to no nervous system, instead moving its body through telekinesis.
- Obviously, it wasn't the same Latios. In the anime, the legendaries aren't unique, just very rare and powerful.
- Who said legendaries in the game are unique? You just met only one of their species. The games could have more than one, but you met only that one.
- Obviously, it wasn't the same Latios. In the anime, the legendaries aren't unique, just very rare and powerful.
After infecting the host, well, the mutation may cause it to mutate the cells after infection instead of merely make them into virus factories. Now, that may not seem too scary, but this would mean that the host is slowly mutated into a Deoxys, its limbs painfully mutating into whips, bizarre legs, etc. It would scream in pain, confused as to what is going on, their last moments being nothing but pain as they slowly lose consciousness, devoured by the Deoxys virus.
Now, that is scary by itself. But what if the virus is unable to infect the brain cells, or does not find them suitable? Well, then the person may be left conscious, watching as their body mutates and becomes a Pokemon, but unable to do anything. The newly mutated body might be able to access the host's brain for information and bring itself to more prey, the host unable to do anything but watch the virus infect their loved ones, perhaps consuming some as food.
If the virus stays dormant, then that's even worse. Imagine being infected and going home to your family, suddenly rapidly mutating into a horrific beast that infects and/or consumes your loved ones, maybe staying dormant in one member and releasing them to infect more people.
Imagine the following scenario: A little girl comes from school and hugs her mommy, daddy, and big brother. Suddenly, she screams in pain. Her father rushes for the phone, but before he can reach it, the girl, with inhuman speed, jumps on him and tears out his jugular vein, devouring him. The mother and brother runs over to stop her, but she bites them as well. The mother screams in pain as she begins to rapidly mutate. Her last words to her son are for him to run away. She then turns to her husband, viciously tearing off chunks of flesh, devouring him to fuel her transformation. The boy runs to his aunts, and so begins the cycle anew.
Tl;dr version: Deoxys mutates you into a horrific beast and causes small towns to become a real life version of Dawn of the Dead as it infects more and more people.
- This reminds me of another Deoxys. I'm scared...
- Pokerus could be a strain of Deoxys. As for Deoxys itself, it could be The Virus and a Galactic Conqueror combined...
- Like Blacklight of [PROTOTYPE]?
- If catching a Yamask wasn't fridge horror enough...
But there's more. In all of Deoxys's appearances in the Anime, it is being afflicted by other illnesses. In the movie alone, it is afflicted by the illness of separation and loneliness; for many, misery spreads like a virus, and as the old saying goes, 'misery loves company'. With that in play, Deoxys is also suffering from its own illnesses, and in an attempt to remedy, them it goes out in search of its friend, another Deoxys. However, they are also burdened with misfortune, as Rayquaza refuses to listen and/or pay attention to the actual actions of the Deoxys and keeps on trying to kill them, more or less acting as the White Blood Cell of the planet.
Now, in the series proper, Deoxys is still going through emotional illness, as well as physical illness, and possibly mental illness. The Deoxys seen in the episode Deoxys Crisis is implied to have the mentality of a child, reminiscent of a mental illness, and to have been conscious during its trek through space, locked up inside of a meteor. In addition, the meteor, that was "meant to be its cradle", is actually causing it pain, apparently due to wavelengths of the sun and meteorite matching together or some other gibberish like that. The pain Deoxys feels comes to such a point that it can't control its own Forme Changes until Solana catches it and has it use Recover to finally cure it. By that point, the rest of the area had been completely messed up, with weather patterns going haywire, and, most notably, the Pokemon Center (i.e. the place where illness is cured) being rendered nigh inoperable, with all of its technology refusing to boot up.
In its third appearance, Cheers on Castaways Isle, it has been rendered powerless and unable to move, the only part visible being its Crystal-Brain. It was on a trip to the aforementioned Isle and was shot down by lightning, but its energy was dispersed into the rocks surrounding the island. The Pokemon that bore witness, a Corphish and a school of Water Pokemon (I can't remember their names at the moment), take it upon themselves to gather up shards of the meteors and cover the Crystal with it, in an attempt to 'cure it'. Pikachu and Piplup add to their efforts, and they all succeed in restoring the Deoxys, who later thanks them all and leaves on its way, with the rocks surrounding the island losing their significance and just becoming another rock formation.
With all that being said, I think that is grounds enough for my Wild Mass Guess to not be so Wild, and perhaps even the slightest bit plausible. Discuss.
- By the same vein, perhaps Banette existed before Shuppet.
- Dusknoir's eye also does some weird movements in its Black and White animations, so this is pretty plausible.
- Problem: Generation III runs cocurrent with Generation I (FR/LG is the same as R/B, and can trade with R/S without the need for a Time Machine.)
- There is no true proof of Gen I and III happening at the same time. Being able to freely trade doesn't mean a thing because both Black and White can freely trade with Black 2 and White 2 without a Time Machine, despite the latter two taking place two years later (same Gen is not the point).
- Excluding the business about disbanding, then, Team Rocket just has their fingers in all the pies.
- The official timeline explicitly says that the events of R/B and R/S happened at the same time.
- There is no true proof of Gen I and III happening at the same time. Being able to freely trade doesn't mean a thing because both Black and White can freely trade with Black 2 and White 2 without a Time Machine, despite the latter two taking place two years later (same Gen is not the point).
- The essay in question mentions Thorton and Gardenia as having multicolored hair. That's not the case; they're wearing a hat and a headband, respectively.
- Sarcasm? If not, where did he get that theory from? Especially with Gardenia.
- ...How does Gardenia have a headband?
- How can she not? Look at it, it's pretty obviously the same color and texture as the black part of her clothing, and for it to be hair and colored that way is ridiculous even by anime standards. This Bulbagarden post has a bit about it further down the page.
- It's just black hair between orange and in the back of her hair. Nothing odd about it.
- Only in Special, where it's dyed anyway. Again, it's clearly the same material as her black clothing. In the Sugimori artwork, at the very least, it's a headband.
- Wasn't that one of those full-body suits that has an opening at the top of the head for hair? Like ninja and martial art dance-fighters sometimes wear, that are sometimes depicted as having that face-framing padding like boxers use. In the games, anyway.
- Couldn't it just be a shadow in Gardenia's case?
- Pokémon Adventures says the white thing is just a hat and his hair is like Norman's.
- Confirmed in ORAS. Brendan takes off the hat when wearing Contest clothes, and just has normal brown hair.
- ...If May has a Groudon and Brendan has a Kyogre, wouldn't she have to be the hero of Ruby while he's the hero of Sapphire? The legendary Pokémon were version exclusives prior to Emerald and all...
- What dummy data are you talking about here? Also, what extra lines does Brendan have?
- This is WMG, but using their ENGLISH names would not fit in a series of JAPANESE origin. Not likely.
- I believe their Japanese names are the same, at least for Red and Blue. Leaf has no official name, but her most common Japanese name is 'Fuguri', a play on Leaf Green, if I'm not mistaken.
- Red's name in the original Japanese is Red. Blue's name in the original Japanese is Green. Leaf's name was Blue. The real question here is why wasn't Leaf called Green instead in the English version? It would fit with the change that was done in Pokemon Special...
- I believe their Japanese names are the same, at least for Red and Blue. Leaf has no official name, but her most common Japanese name is 'Fuguri', a play on Leaf Green, if I'm not mistaken.
- Also, May is far more well known due to being a main character in the Pokemon Advanced Generation anime.
- Jossed. His hair is silver.
- While this a good theory, Falkner, Bugsy, Gardenia, Fantina, Volkner, Cilan, Chili, Cress, and Wulfric don't really sound like legitimate people names either. His name, like all these other ones, is a pun on something related to their Specified type.
Another thing of interest is how Kyogre/Groudon reacted to each orb - when exposed to the Red/Blue Orb, they pretty much immediately got out of control and started to cause trouble, but when exposed to the other orb, they merely approach the player character and challenge him/her to a battle. My guess is that Kyogre/Groudon, upon getting exposed to the Red/Blue Orb, assumed that its counterpart was awake (It wasn't), got angry and jumped out to get the upper hand in the water vs. land battle.
For more WMG, if Archie and Maxie did not have full knowledge of the legend and thought there was one orb, this could explain why they picked the wrong orb - the couple at Mt. Pyre did it on purpose (By only showing the orb that did not match), to keep the correct orb and give it to someone they could trust.
- And he'll be somewhere on the massive ocean part of the game, in the middle of a massive tornado/waterspout.
- Apparently confirmed.
- Semi-Jossed; you can catch Tornadus, but only in one version (the other has Thundurus) and it's high in the sky, in a cloud.
- Apparently confirmed.
- Think about it, the main plots of the games involve an drought titan and a big storm whale. They stopped rereleasing the RS chapter of Pokemon Special due to the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami for that reason, and the last time Earthquake popped up in the anime it stopped showing up at all due to another earthquake. Alternately, they'll say 'fuck it' and release it anyway to cash in on all of us who are desperate for RSDS.
- They could work around this problem by making a new story set in the region.
- Jossed. Ruby and Sapphire remakes have been confirmed.
- Not necessary jossed as this WMG was made during around the BW era. It might been too soon then, to the point it took one generation later to announce the remake.
- Alternately, we will get normal remakes of them, and then a Black 2 & White 2 styled remake after that. Apart from Cash-Cow Franchise making it totally plausible, that would definitely take "something special" up a notch. To say nothing of the fact that FRLG and even HGSS stuck pretty closely to the games they were remakes of, so many fans are probably expecting regular remakes anyway.
- Also, for trading between the Gen V games, there could be a Time Machine-styled thing, like how Gens I & II traded, with a normal trading room for the other Hoenn remakes. That would allow the "traveled a long way through time" thing to still make sense without neglecting the Gen III games.
- Jossed: Iwata stated they're full on remakes similar to FireRed/LeafGreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver.
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- Pseudo-Jossed: Iwata stated they're full on remakes similar to FireRed/LeafGreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver, but in-game they're implied to take place in an Alternate Universe to the original, making them entirely new games with a similar (but not exactly the same) plot.
Also cue ribbons and contests stats. Cue Feebas rage and Prism Scale not appearing until post-game or not appearing at all. Feebas appearance should be nerfed, though. That was ridiculous! I never found a wild Feebas outside of Unova.
- Jossed: Iwata stated they're full on remakes similar to FireRed/LeafGreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver.
- Comfirmed: They are full remakes.
- Brendan and May, as the rivals, will receive much better teams and be battled more often, with the option of rematches post-League. The whole thing about them quitting as Trainers after being beaten in Lilycove City in the originals will be quietly dropped. Whatever new Pokemon NPC!May gets are anyone's guess, but NPC!Brendan will have to have at least Aggron, Shiftry, and Rhyperior at some point.
- NPC!May could get a team partially based off her anime team, or Pokemon she knew well. These include Beautifly, Glaceon (hey, it could be added to Hoenn) and Altaria (because of that Tear Jerker episode).
- Brendan having a Dustox would be a nice bit of duality/contrast with May's Beautifly.
- Additionally, as Bianca had the starter type you're strong against and Cheren had the one you're weak against, the opposite gender rival will have the former and Wally will have the latter (Ralts can still be his signature Pokemon, but he would at least have the starter in his team in all its forms, and it would fill the conspicuously empty 6th slot on his team from the original R/S/E).
- Jossed, Brendan and May have fixed teams depending on the starter you have. They always have Swellow and Raichu in their final teams, and, depending on who you start with, two of Magcargo, Wailord and Breloom.
- Also, instead of the final battle being at Lilycove City, leaving you unable to see your gender opposite's fully evolved starter, he or she will challenge you to an optional match once you become the champion.
- Semi-confirmed; this one-time battle is mandatory after beating the Pokémon League and after the credits roll.
- NPC!May could get a team partially based off her anime team, or Pokemon she knew well. These include Beautifly, Glaceon (hey, it could be added to Hoenn) and Altaria (because of that Tear Jerker episode).
- The idea of both Magma and Aqua being evil and both Legendaries being awakened will carry over from Emerald, with the change between versions being in regards to which Team awakens their Legendary first. Rayquaza will still play a part in the final battle.
- Alternately, the change between versions would be which team you go after in the near-endgame, with the NPC going after the other one. The one going after Magma would get an assist from Steven while the one going after Aqua would get an assist from Wallace. This would lead to the Lilycove fight being a Fight Then Team Up scenario, as Brendan and May would honestly believe that each is working for the team the other is trying to take down. After the battle, regardless of who wins, Wally demonstrates Cutscene Power to the Max knocking out the winner and making the Player Characters realize that both teams are Evil.note The Route 119 fight could be moved to the Weather Center on that same route to set this up.note The Team you go after would be the one you helped out in the past, which would be the opposite of the one implied by the Box Art.
- Jossed, while both Magma and Aqua are antagonistic towards the player, both are still rivals, with one outdoing the other depending on the game.
- Alternately, the change between versions would be which team you go after in the near-endgame, with the NPC going after the other one. The one going after Magma would get an assist from Steven while the one going after Aqua would get an assist from Wallace. This would lead to the Lilycove fight being a Fight Then Team Up scenario, as Brendan and May would honestly believe that each is working for the team the other is trying to take down. After the battle, regardless of who wins, Wally demonstrates Cutscene Power to the Max knocking out the winner and making the Player Characters realize that both teams are Evil.note The Route 119 fight could be moved to the Weather Center on that same route to set this up.note The Team you go after would be the one you helped out in the past, which would be the opposite of the one implied by the Box Art.
- Gym Leader rematches will return, probably with a Battleground/Fighting Dojo-like place to facilitate them like in HGSS.
- Jossed, the only Gym Leader you get to have a rematch with is against Wallace, and it's only once in the Delta Episode.
- There will be a way to catch Dialga in one version and Palkia in the other, while bringing both together will make Giratina available (much like the Weather Trio in HG/SS).
- Pretty much confirmed.
- Whether Wallace or Juan is the Sootopolis Gym Leader will vary between versions, like Iris and Drayden in Black/White.
- Alternately, both cases will result in a double battle in Gen III remakes and Grey respectively.
- Alternately alternately, Juan would merely be the Senior Assistant to Wallace.
- Jossed, Wallace remains as the sole Sootopolis Gym Leader.
- Steven will only be Champion the first time you battle the Elite Four, with Wallace taking his place in subsequent battles. Steven himself will relocate to Meteor Falls afterward for rematches.
- Another thought, the Champion will be neither Steven nor Wallace... it will be both of them, as the first double Champion battle. Otherwise, Steven will be the champ in the Ruby remake and Wallace will be it in the Sapphire remake; you meet the other in Meteor Falls.
- If the double Champion battle thing comes to pass, May/Brendan's belated appearance in the Champion's chamber could instead lead to them teaming up with you as your doubles partner in the final fight.
- And maybe the other who isn't the champion will help you against the team? Or maybe if Steven helps and he's the champion, his mons are higher level and make it seem like a Crutch Character but it's really Gameplay and Story Integration.
- I'd say that Steven would be taking on Team Magma and Wallace would be taking on Team Aqua, regardless of Version. It would just so happen that the one that teams up with you (as opposed to Prof. Birch's child) is the Champion of the Version.
- All Jossed; Steven remains as Champion, even during rematches. However, in the Delta Episode's conclusion, he says he's considering giving his Champion status to Wallace.
- Cynthia will appear somewhere; her presence seems almost obligatory by now. Bonus points if she meets Steven.
- Jossed, Cynthia is nowhere to be found
- Something from Pokémon Adventures will attain Canon Immigrant status, like how Silver being Giovanni's son was made manifest in FR/LG and HG/SS years after first appearing in Special. It might take the form of, for example: your player character having a stormy relationship with Norman, Wallace being the true Champion and Steven only a runner-up, Wallace and Winona having some sort of relationship, etc...
- Actually, Silver being Giovanni's son was implied in FR/LG before Special did it, as one of the Rockets in the post-game references Giovanni having a kid with red hair. Though it doesn't automatically make the "kid" Silver, there really aren't any other candidates, especially since even in the original G/S/C Silver's hair color is referenced quite a bit as a defining trait.
- Really? Ah; my bad, then. My knowledge in that area was a tad hazy. Still, there is some precedent for overlap between Special and game canon these days, regardless of which came first, so the suggestion isn't totally out of the question.
- Actually, Silver being Giovanni's son was implied in FR/LG before Special did it, as one of the Rockets in the post-game references Giovanni having a kid with red hair. Though it doesn't automatically make the "kid" Silver, there really aren't any other candidates, especially since even in the original G/S/C Silver's hair color is referenced quite a bit as a defining trait.
- Walking Pokemon will return, and Wally's Ralts will routinely be seen following him in the overworld view.
- Wally's Ralts will become a Gallade instead of Gardevoir.
- Or maybe the Ralts's gender is randomized and if it's a male, it becomes Gallade. If it's female, it becomes Gardevoir.
- Do Not Want, male Gardevoir are great.
- He will somehow manage to have a female Gallade.
- All Jossed, the walking mechanic didn't return and Wally's Ralts will eventually evolve into a Mega-Evolving Gallade.
- How about he has both a male Gallade and female Gardevoir?
- Jossed, he only has Gallade.
- Wally's Ralts will become a Gallade instead of Gardevoir.
- Speaking of Wally, his whole team could be based off "green Pokemon", much like in Special. Aside from the above, these could include Roserade, Kecleon, Dustox and Flygon.
- Semi-Jossed; he has a team of varying types and the only green Pokémon he has out of the list is Roserade.
- A large area to explore post-game will be created, seeing as the original version of Hoenn was severely lacking in such things. The Battle Frontier (whether with the same Brains or new ones) might be relocated here.
- Or the land where the Battle Frontier is located will be expanded upon.
- Jossed, the Battle Resort takes the place of the Battle Frontier, even though there are signs that the Battle Frontier is being built.
- Or the land where the Battle Frontier is located will be expanded upon.
- The rematches will include Gen IV and V Pokés and will be a lot harder.
- Semi-confirmed; this only applies to the Elite 4.
- The Gyms and trainers themselves will make for a difficulty spike because they have access to Gen IV and V moves.
- The battle music will change on a Gym Leader's last Pokemon, as in Black and White. Because why not?
- Jossed, the music remains the same when the Gym Leader is in a pinch.
- Add more depth to the characters' personalities, especially the Elite Four and May's.
- May's personality evolution could go hand in hand with the guess all the way up about her becoming a much stronger Trainer when she's the rival.
- Confirmed; May's personality is more akin to a Genki Girl.
- Also confirmed with the personalities and motives of Teams Magma and Aqua being expanded on.
- May's personality evolution could go hand in hand with the guess all the way up about her becoming a much stronger Trainer when she's the rival.
- If the new CoroCoroleaks are anything to go by, May's hair color is brown. I also am seeing that May and Brendan both have grey eyes.(Maybe purpleish?)
- Confirmed, both Brendan and May have gray eyes.
- Red Ruby, Blue Sapphire, and Green Emerald
- Earth Ruby, Ocean Sapphire, and Sky Emerald
- Or they may go viceversa; as in Ruby Earth and Sapphire Ocean
- Magma Ruby and Sea Sapphire
- Magma Ruby, Aqua Sapphire and Sky Emerald
- Ruby Blaze and Storm Sapphire.
- Magma Ruby and Aqua Sapphire.
- Sun Ruby and Rain Sapphire.
- Scarlet Ruby and Indigo Sapphire
- Dawn Ruby and Dusk Sapphire (or vice versa)
- Branching off of that, Sunrise Ruby and Sunset Sapphire.
- Drought Ruby and Storm Sapphire
- Combining some earlier predictions: Earth Ruby and Sea Sapphire.
- ForeverRuby and EternalSapphire. Those HAVE to be the names!
- ShinyRuby and TidalSapphire. I was going for Shaking Ruby, but thanks to recent events, I don't think so.
- CarnelianRuby and TurquoiseSapphire.
- Crimson Ruby and Navy Sapphire.
- Roaring Ruby and Silent Sapphire.
- Or, Roaring Ruby and Soaring Sapphire. Whatever floats your boat!
- TerraRuby and OceanSapphire.
- RagingRuby and SurgingSapphire.
- Inverse: RainstormRuby and SolarSapphire
- RubyRage and SapphireSplash
- The official names of the remakes are Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.
- Jossed: Heatran is found.
- All evolutions/pre-evolutions of Pokemon found in Hoenn that were introduced in Generation IV. These would include Rhyperior, Froslass, Budew, Roserade, Magnezone, Probopass, Dusknoir, Probopass and Chingling.
- More Ice types. The original game was severly lacking in Ice Pokemon, so a few more of them would help out. These could include Sneasel/Weavile, Snover/Abomasnow(by having it appear at winter) and Cloyster(its pre-evolution is caught underwater.)
- A few other Generation IV, V, and VI Pokemon.
- As well as an expansion to some fire and water Pokemon. That way, the teams aren't stuck using things like Zubat, Mightyena, and such.
- Considering that 250 is small compared to the massive Kalos dex, I'm expecting more then 50 additions. So in addition to most of the above, it might also include:
- Emerald's Safari Zone expansion being available from the start with no need to unlock it.
- Non-Hoenn dex Pokemon that are catchable in Emerald: This would include Meowth, Ditto, Smeargle and Sudowoodo.
- The Jotho starters (available to the player in the same way the Kanto starters were in X and Y).
- The Sinnoh starters (not actually a part of the Hoenn dex, but as a reward for completing it, or just beating the game).
- All the Non-starter/Non-Legendary Pokemon that are currently only availabe through the Poketransfer.
- All the Pokemon that are currently only available through X and Y's Friend Safari.
- A gift Eevee, most likely from Lanette.
- Semi-confirmed: There's indeed Pokémon retconned into the Hoenn Pokédex. However, they're mainly Pokémon who had their evolution lines expanded in future generations. In other words, Probopass, Magnezone, Budew, Roserade, Gallade, Chingling, Rhyperior, Froslass and Dusknoir are the only Pokémon added to the regional dex.
- Also, the Johto, Unova and Sinnoh starters are available from Birch after beating the Pokémon League the first time, after the Delta Episode and after beating the League a second time, respectively.
- The Emerald Safari Zone isn't available in any way, even though Kakuna, Pidgeotto and Buneary become available there via the Dex Nav post-Cave of Origin.
- Eevee is a Dex Nav-exclusive to Route 117.
- Phenomenona (A wild Huntail have appeared!), plus dark grass.
- Semi-Jossed. Overworld Dex Nav encounters play similarly to phenomena, though trade- and stone-exclusive Pokémon won't be available with this method.
- Seasons, though not as much as Unova games.
- Seasons seem to have been dropped in Kalos.
- Time will be properly added, and Lunatone and Solrock will no longer be version-exclusive. They'll be time-exclusive!
- Jossed. Still version exclusives
- Proper time implementation confirmed; it has been carried over from Gen IV.
- HM will be all relocated, as Badges are no more a requirement.
- HMs link to Badges again in Gen VI.
- The three Rods will be relocated to be later; Old Rod around 3rd gym, Good Rood around 6th or 7th gym, and Super Rod being post-game.
- Jossed. Same as before.
- Jossed. It's still event-exclusive.
- Half-jossed. Their plans are more different between the two teams, but the difficulty is the same, only differences in the boss teams are Maxie with a Weezing and Archie with a Muk, and Tabitha is still named Tabitha.
- Confirmed. Plus, it will be capable of Mega Evolution.
- Also, he'll either use the rival battle theme or use a slight remix of it for a more unique theme.
- Bianca can have an Emboar or Simisear alongside her Chandelure, so Wally having both Sceptile and Roselia probably won't be a problem.
- Jossed. It's been confirmed that he still has his Ralts, but in his endgame fight he has an extremely powerful team, the kind you'd usually see on an irl competitive player.
- Jossed - he still uses a Zigzagoon.
- Or they have both. Better yet, the ability to convert some Grottos into secret bases!
- If this happens, it would likely be with the tree bases (or maybe the bush ones).
- Jossed: Secret bases are back, and better than ever!
- If this happens, it would likely be with the tree bases (or maybe the bush ones).
- Confirmed: You'll not only be able to obtain the Sinnoh starters, you'll also be able to obtain the Johto starters and the Unova starters.
- Ice Rock would make a lot of sense in Shoal Cave, and Mossy Rock would likely be in Petalburg Woods. As for Magnezone and Probopass, I could see New Mauville being Retconed into being the designated "magnetic" area.
- Confirmed: They're in the most logical locations (ie, the Mossy Rock's in Petalburg Woods, Ice Rock in the lowest floor of Shoal Cave and the Mt. Coronet equivalent being New Mauville.)
Another elephant in the room is the series' timeline. Since the series was rebooted after Gen 2, Game Freak only released games that were either contemporaneous with, alternate versions of, or sequels to the games that came before. RSE and RBY/FRLG happen at the same time, DPPt and GSC/HGSS happen three years later. Judging from the Rocket Grunt's son, BW take place at least six or seven years after DPPt and GSC/HGSS, and B2W2 happen two years later. In this context, releasing a RSE remake implies one of two things: either the timeline in Pokémon world is looping, or the series is getting a second reboot. Considering all the memorable characters and events the games love to reference, that would be lost, there's serious doubt GF will reboot the series again.
- Remake =/= reboot
- Jossed: The remakes are happening, alright. And they are indeed a timeline reboot of a sort.
- Jossed: Iwata stated they're full on remakes similar to FireRed/LeafGreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver.
- Jossed: Same old Regigigas.
- Jossed, box arts have been shown in every trailer since the very first. While they are obtainable in the eShop, they're not eShop exclusives.
- Jossed: Only the Hoenn region's featured within the games.
- Jossed: The remakes are comfirmed for the 3DS.
- Alternatively, they'll do like they did for N's Pokemon and just prevent them from being Shiny.
- Semi-confrimed; the Ralts that Wally encounters is shiny-locked.
- Jossed: The remakes really are of Ruby/Sapphire, and are called "Omega Ruby" and "Alpha Sapphire".
As an addendum, his Elite Four would be Steven, Wallace, Brendan, and May. Either two or all four would have been former champions. You would also choose the order in which you face them, similar to later generations. In this case, Brendan would have Sceptile to keep Wallace's team water-based; Wallace would get Swampert. Also, one of the Previous Players would have the Ruby & Sapphire Rival team while the other would have the Emerald Rival team.
- Jossed. Steven is confirmed as the returning Champion, and the games aren't even sequels.
- Both of them will have the starter you are weak to
- Both of them will have the Tropius from the originals or have three different Pokemon depending on their starter: if you get Treecko May/Brendan gets Pelipper, if you get Torchic May/Brendan gets Magcargo and if you get Mudkip May/Brendan gets Tropius/Ludicolo
- If different genders get different Pokemon, Brendan will get Aggron, Shiftry and Rhyperior because he had them in the movie. It's obscure, but all Gamefreak has to do for the ideas is check out Bulbapedia
- If different genders get different Pokemon, May will get Snorlax(assuming the New Hoenn Pokedex includes him), Glaceon(ditto) and Delcatty/Beautifly. This is based off the anime.
- If different genders get the same Pokemon, May/Brendan could have a mix of their anime Pokemon.
- Both of them will have one or more of Ash's Pokemon he caught in during Hoenn. This would include Swellow, Torkoal and Glalie.
- Jossed. Same teams as before, but the Fire Pokémon is Magcargo instead of Numel, starter is fully evolved at Lilycove and an extra match is added where they also get a Raichu.
- The "explore a new world" bit in the trailer sounded like standard commercial speak. It's essentially a stock phrase they use in every Pokemon commercial. However, it is pretty likely that there will be many new areas or islands added into the remakes. Areas possibly created by Groudon and Kyogre.
- Jossed: Iwata stated they're full on remakes similar to FireRed/LeafGreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver.
- Jossed: Only one Mega Evolution.
- Confirmed: They appear in a side plot involving Team Aqua/Magma attempting to steal their Mega Stones.
- Mega Starters confirmed per CoroCoro leaks.
- Jossed: Wally still captures his Ralts in the wild.
- Or, just like in X and Y, updated versions of Brendan's and May's classic looks will be the default outfits, but you'll be able to customize them. And because Pokémon seems to have a thing for not making you play as a young kid anymore, their designs will have a Vague Age like Calem and Serena, which can be customized to look older or younger just like in XY.
- May and Brendan remain the player characters in the remakes according to CoroCoro leaks.
- These are most likely what they are on the boxart, or possibly simple alternate formes (there are very subtle design differences from their regular forms). The Japanese logos actually show red and blue stones (possibly the Red and Blue Orbs) with an "omega" and "alpha" in them. These stones are probably either their Mega Stones or form-changing held items a la Griseous Orb.
- Jossed: They get "Primal Reversions", something related to, but not exactly the same as, Mega Evolutions.
- Jossed. Delta Episode is the postgame.
- Confirmed with the Delta Episode.
- Jossed. The starters keep their X/Y cries.
Notably, it is not a key item, but a regular item, meaning it can be held by a Pokemon ... and thus potentially traded to other games. Perhaps the region he is referring to is one which will appear alongside Hoenn in OR/AS, a la the Sevii Islands in FireRed and LeafGreen, but closer in scale to Kanto in Gold/Silver/Crystal/HeartGold/SoulSilver. This statue will either grant the player access to that region in that game (sort of a bonus for those who own both X/Y and OR/AS) or the region will be open to all players, with the Strange Souvenir doing something of significance within it (again as a bonus for those who also own X or Y).
- Jossed: The only region the games cover is Hoenn like the original games.
- Jossed: While Steven does indeed have a Mega Stone, his Mega evolution Pokémon is revealed to be a Mega Charizard X according to the CoroCoro leaks.
- The leaks never claim that the Charizard is Steven's. They don't even refer to it by name. They simply use it as an example of Mega Evolution, which Steven is said to be investigating. Plus, it's Lv 100 (so it's pretty obviously a demonstrational Pokémon in a Wi-Fi battle), and the English ORAS site includes that very same picture under the Mega Evolution page, and not under Steven's section on the Characters page.
- Still Jossed with the reveal that his Mega Evolution is Mega Metagross.
- The leaks never claim that the Charizard is Steven's. They don't even refer to it by name. They simply use it as an example of Mega Evolution, which Steven is said to be investigating. Plus, it's Lv 100 (so it's pretty obviously a demonstrational Pokémon in a Wi-Fi battle), and the English ORAS site includes that very same picture under the Mega Evolution page, and not under Steven's section on the Characters page.
- Jossed: She's still in the game if the CoroCoro leaks are anything to go by.
- Unlikely: In a case of Developer's Foresight, if you give a Feebas full beauty stats in Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond, Pearl or Platinum, then importing said Feebas into Black, White, Black 2, White 2, X or Y, said Feebas would still be able to evolve into Milotic when it levels up.
- Jossed. You can't find Prism Scales in Hoenn (but you can get them by trading from X/Y) and the Beauty evolution is back.
- Jossed: They're as prominent to Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire as they are to X and Y (in other words, won't be featured in normal gameplay except in one spot).
- Jossed: It's a regular single battle.
- Focus Punch - Route 115 where the TM was in the originals or Battle Frontier
- Water Pulse - Battle Frontier
- Bullet Seed - Route 104 where the TM was in the originals.
- Giga Drain - Battle Frontier
- Iron Tail - Lilycove City or Battle Frontier
- Shock Wave - New Mauville where you received Thunder Bolt in the originals.
- Skill Swap - Battle Frontier
- Snatch - Battle Frontier
- Though it's also a decommissioned TM, Secret Power was only useful in making Secret Bases so it can be replaced with another mechanic.
- Semi-confirmed; Focus Punch, Water Pulse, Giga Drain, Iron Tail, Shock Wave and Snatch are tutor moves in the Battle Resort, while Secret Power regains its TM status.
Other Moves
For Juan: Rain Dance. There is precedent for this back in Heart Gold / Soul Silver where Pryce awarded Hail. The only other possibility is Scald. That TM will be on the abandoned ship where Rain Dance was in the originals.
- Jossed: Wattson's TM is Volt Switch while Wallace's "TM" is the Waterfall HM.
- Jossed.
- Confirmed; if CoroCoro leaks are anything to go by, she's still in.
- ...Or they do what they did in Origins. Have a character like Mr. Fuji who just so happens to have a Mega Stone and Ring imported from Kalos to give to the player for plot reasons.
- Jossed: They appear during the middle of the story.
- Barring Magnezone and Probopass, all new Pokemon are related to those in current, original Hoenn dex need new items. And the Coronet expy can be located postgame. Or not be there at all, cuing even more rage.
- Jossed; the Coronet expy is New Mauville, and it's accessible just before the final badge.
- Jossed: You'd be able to communicate with X and Y as soon as you're able to use the Player Search System, which is when Wally gives you the PlayNav.
- Actually you could always transfer Firered/Leafgreen Pokemon upon starting a new save in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, and battle with them, it just wouldn't register on the Pokedex.
- Implying it's not the same Regigigas moving around. Hoenn happens before Sinnoh which happens before Unova.
- Confirmed. Encountering it, however, is no easy task. Albeit you can actually get him as soon as you catch Groudon/Kyogre.
- Confirmed by CoroCoro leaks.
- Jossed: The only region covered in the game is Hoenn.
- Jossed: Not only is Rayquaza still solo, its "super mode" is available in both games.
- Jossed: The only region covered in the game is Hoenn.
- Eevee rocks - Petalburg Woods and Shoal Cave, respectively.
- Mt. Coronet expy - New Mauville. It's a power plant... even if you turn it off in a side quest.
- Deoxys meteors - Meteor Falls.
- Rotom boxes - Again, New Mauville, except it's the original room.
- Gracidea - Show Shaymin to the person in the flower shop by Rustboro.
- Kami mirror - Show one of the genies to guy on Route 113. (Guy makes glass items from ash. Mirror is made of glass.)
- DNA Splicers - Show Kyurem to person in the Sootopolis City.
- Relic Song - Show Meloetta to the person in the Lilycove Museum.
- Drives - Show Genesect to scientist in Devon building.
- Several corrections:
- Deoxys meteors are fount in Professor Cosmos' house in Fallarbor Town.
- DNA Splicers are found as hidden item within the Gnarled Den, where you fight Kyurem.
- Relic Song can be taught by a guy in Mauville City.
- "Rotom Boxes" can be found in Professor Birch's lab.
- You have to go to the berry master's house on Route 123 in order to gain the Gracidea flower.
- For the Reveal Glass, you have to go to the mirror shop in Mauville City.
- Or hopefully, it will be able to evolve into Sylveon, but through other means; kind of like how Feebas can now evolve into Milotic by way of trading with an item.
- Jossed, Pokemon-Amie is confirmed
- Jossed. Mauville Game Corner is closed down, though its closing is explained in-game.
- Jossed: The Game Corner's still there, albeit closed down by the time you get to Mauville City.
- Jossed: Poké Marts are once again, in their own separate buildings.
- Jossed, both May and Brendan wear predominantly red clothes in both versions.
- Confirmed: If you talk to the game director in Lilycove with the first Pokemon in your party being from the original games, he'll give you special furniture for your base.
- Sharpedo/Camerupt
- As Team Aqua and Team Magma's signature mons, while it sounds like a rehash of Lysandre's battle, it would be cool to see something like this.
- Confirmed that both are getting Mega Evolutions and being used by their respective team's leader.
- As Team Aqua and Team Magma's signature mons, while it sounds like a rehash of Lysandre's battle, it would be cool to see something like this.
- Wailord and/or Relicanth
- As the two Pokémon involved in the summoning of the Regi trio, something would likely come from this.
- Jossed.
- As the two Pokémon involved in the summoning of the Regi trio, something would likely come from this.
- Sableye
- Mawile got a Mega Evolution. Sableye didn't. Maybe this is a chance for it to gain some new power, and an ability that makes it immune to the Fairy-type.
- Confirmed.
- Salamence/Metagross
- Just about every pseudo-legendary has received a Mega Evolution, barring Hydreigon. Drake and/or Steven could potentially bust them out.
- Confirmed for both Metagross and Salamence.
- Jynx
- Her "brothers" Electabuzz and Magmar got evolutions, so a Mega Evolution for Jynx would be a nice payoff.
- Jossed.
- Her "brothers" Electabuzz and Magmar got evolutions, so a Mega Evolution for Jynx would be a nice payoff.
- Dragonite
- To complete the Pseudo-Legendary Mega Evolution thing.
- Jossed.
- To complete the Pseudo-Legendary Mega Evolution thing.
- The Johto and Sinnoh Starters
- The other Starters all have Mega Evolutions, so maybe these can be available post-game.
- Jossed.
- The other Starters all have Mega Evolutions, so maybe these can be available post-game.
- Xatu
- It's a fairly underused Pokemon.
- Jossed.
- It's a fairly underused Pokemon.
- Sudowoodo
- Once again, fairly underused, and it can finally gain the grass type.
- Jossed.
- Donphan
- Making it a Steel type would be interesting.
- Jossed.
- Girafarig
- It's practically begging for a boost.
- Jossed.
- Celebi
- So one Mew-clone can have a Mega Evolution.
- Jossed.
- Luxray
- To counter Manectric.
- Jossed.
- Drifblim
- Fairly underused.
- Jossed.
- Drapion
- Fairly underused.
- Jossed.
- Carnivine
- Fairly underused.
- Jossed.
- Gallade
- To match Gardevoir.
- Confirmed by a CoroCoro issue.
- Heatran
- Maybe it can be used with some relation to Volcanion.
- Jossed.
- Cresselia
- A Mega Cresselia would look cool.
- Jossed.
- Masquerain
- Maybe it could even become a Bug/Water type because Masquerain's Bug/Flying type is really unpopular compared to Surskit's typing.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. His signature Pokémon had changed into a Gallade that can Mega Evolve.
- Jossed. Rayquaza's getting a Mega Evo instead of a Primal Reversion.
- Another point: it would be very odd for Kyogre to be the only member of its trio not to be dual-typed.
- Seems to be Jossed, as the official site says it's a pure Water-type. But then again, it didn't reveal their new Abilities.
- Jossed, Primal Kyogre remains pure Water and has Primordial Sea as its ability.
- Seems to be Jossed, as the official site says it's a pure Water-type. But then again, it didn't reveal their new Abilities.
- Confirmed; Altaria, Salamence, Metagross, Sceptile, Swampert, Camerupt, and Sharpedo gained Mega Evolutions
- Sadly confirmed.
- Jossed due to there being no customization options.
- Jossed due to there being no customization options.
- Confirmed: He appears post game as the NPC who gives you the Audinite.
- Jossed due to there being no customization options.
- Jossed due to there being no customization options.
- Semi-confirmed: While the Beldum he gives you doesn't come with the Mega Stone, he'll hand it to you after you rematch him.
- There's no reason for Flash to be back as a HM. Also, there are some new TM numbers since G4. Although, there are changes, as Rock Smash is back to being a HM.
- Jossed: The only changes to the HM/TM list is Dive regaining its HM status, Rock Smash becoming a HM move and Secret Power taking up Rock Smash's old TM slot.
- This only applies to the english version. In the japanese version, Primal Dialga is Called Dark Dialga. Anyways, Primal Reversion for other Pokémon would be nice.
- Jossed: Only regular old Dialga appears in the games, and even then, it's version exclusive to Alpha Sapphire.
- Confirmed and Jossed at the same time: While ORAS has been confirmed to freely interact with XY, it has been confirmed that XY will not be patched to support the new moves and items introduced in ORAS.
- Jossed.
- If not younger; she could simply be younger than she looks, like some of the protagonists.
- Any younger than 14 would seem like a big stretch, but she'd have to be 9 or younger to be the right age to be Wallace's daughter, he looks to be 25-30.
- If she's Wallace's daughter (and related to him at all, of course). She could be around the same age as the protagonists and be Wallace's sister.
- Any younger than 14 would seem like a big stretch, but she'd have to be 9 or younger to be the right age to be Wallace's daughter, he looks to be 25-30.
- Jossed: While related, Lisia is actually Wallace's niece. She is however the daughter of Wallace's older sister.
- Jossed: He still resembles Liza in terms of appearance.
- Close enough....he has green buttons, while Liza has red buttons.
- Yes and no. They last forever like Drought and Drizzle did prior to being nerfed, but they also cause Water-type or Fire-type moves and abilities to be ineffective (And they are named, now: Desolate Land and Primordial Sea). They also are only active while the user is in battle; switching it out will remove the weather.
Additionally, what type would Groudon's currently unnamed signature move shown in trailers be - Ground, to allow Groudon to use it to its complete potential, or Fire so it can be boosted by Primal Reversion and Drought? Would the legendaries' new signature moves work similarly to Fusion Flame/Bolt, in which they power up eachother, or in order to give Groudon an equal advantage over Kyogre, would they make its new move super effective against Water-types a la Freeze-Dry?
- Jossed, Groudon's signature move is Precipice Blades, which has no additional effects other than hitting multiple targets in multi-battles.
- Absolite
- Gardevoirite
- Mawilite
- Aggronite
- Medichamite
- Manetricite
- Banettite
- Gyaradosite
- Confirmed alongside all the other Mega Stones.
- near the Pokemon Center just south of Victory Road - An [[i.imgur.com/U Mcwb IM.jpg HD Map of Hoenn]] (warning: Very large image) indicates an odd yellow-to=purple gradient object just south of the Victory Road Pokemon Center
- Mossdeep City - It could act as a replacement for the White Stone, assuming they don't do something connecting it to Jirachi. Alternatively, they could Hand Wave it as the White Rock itself being the source of the Mega Stones' power in Hoenn.
- Near the Scorched Slab - To go along with the whole sun thing.
- In Lilycove City - Lilycove already has a lot going on.
- at the peak of Mount Pyre - The Red and Blue orbs are already found at the peak of Mount Pyre. They are most likely the triggers for the Primal Evolutions for Groudon and Kyogre, so it could work.
- Sootopolis City - Sootopolis also happens to have a connection to Groudon and Kyogre. The map that has been revealed also shows a small island just southwest of the city that can only be reached by surf.
- The Battle Frontier - Clouds can be seen over where the Battle Frontier would be located, a-la how they were used to obscure the Eastern half of Unova in the pre-release maps for Black and White 2.
- Rustboro City - Devon would probably have some interest in it.
- All jossed: There's no equivalent to the Anistar Sundial within the game.
- Jossed, he wears plain sandals that don't show his toes.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. You go to space as part of the post-game, but you'll get there on Mega Rayuaza.
- Jossed: It's the result of them absorbing the then-thriving energy of the land.
- Pikachu Rock Star gains Steel Type (Meteor Mash)
- Pikachu Ph.D is either pure Electric type or gains an unspecified second type (Electric Terrain)
- Pikachu Pop Star gains Fairy Type (Draining Kiss)
- Pikachu Belle gains Ice Type (Icicle Crash)
- Pikachu Libre gains Fighting Type (Flying Press)
- Jossed: The only change other than appearance is the fact that it can learn various different moves depending on her costume.
- Jossed: Rayquaza has a single Mega Evolution in both games.
- Semi-Jossed: The games are as easy as X/Y with the EXP Share enabled and has hard as the original R/S with it off. And this is assuming you're not using the DexNav to grind for Pokémon with ideal stats.
- Semi-Jossed: If anything, they're actually made easier since there's now no more restrictions on the amount of Pokéblocks one can give to the Pokémon. That, and the Pokéblock-making process was simplified so that it's easier. However, beating all five contest categories, followed by Lisia, is required to obtain the Lucarionite.
- Semi-confirmed: It's possible to dress up Cosplay Pikachu and have it so that said Pikachu's costumes can be used outside of battles, but it's not possible to dress up the other Pokémon.
- Confirmed.
- The story goes that he visits Regice often, explaining why he can be found in Island Cave. This could also explain the requirements to encounter him within the game, as the things you have to do to get him to appear involves, treating Regice with "love" (in other words, nicknaming it and giving it a "frozen desert"note ) in addition to having the other two Regi on your team.
- On the other hand, it could be that Regigigas simply prefers cold environments. Going to extra lengths with its ice-based child is an ancient way of showing respect for Regigigas' preferred climate (or something similar), and it will notice this and appear. Might also explain why Regigigas was found in Sinnoh, the cold region, and not in Hoenn, a place with a more tropical climate.
- Not just "in Sinnoh"—Regigigas was found in Snowpoint Temple, an ice-filled dungeon in the coldest part of Sinnoh. It seems likely that Regigigas's habitat is in the cold.
- On the other hand, it could be that Regigigas simply prefers cold environments. Going to extra lengths with its ice-based child is an ancient way of showing respect for Regigigas' preferred climate (or something similar), and it will notice this and appear. Might also explain why Regigigas was found in Sinnoh, the cold region, and not in Hoenn, a place with a more tropical climate.
- Rather, that was supposed to be the original Aster—likely her twin sister, given the mirrored meanings of their Japanese names. However, no thanks to Aster's death, the responsibility was quickly foisted upon Zinnia. Of course, this meant that Zinnia had to take the equivalent of a crash course in preparations to be the Lorekeeper, when she'd originally had no expectation of that ever happening. This was likely stressful like nothing else, with the death of her twin already blasting her soul. End result: someone who takes her duties far more zealously than intended, determined not to let the deaths of Aster and any other Draconids who preceded her be in vain. Which unfortunately resulted in Zinnia's going-it-alone, the-end-justifies-the-means attitude towards summoning Rayquaza.
- Zinnia's model is young-looking, maybe 18, but her official art looks adult. There's a line in the Team M/aqua Hideout:Zinnia: Aren't you a happy girl, Aster? ♪ Just what I'd expect of my daughter!
- Emphasis mine. Lots of people treat their Pokemon as friends, but I don't think anyone has used familial terms for them. It's possible that the original Aster was Zinnia's daughter and Aster the Whismur is named for her. This puts a new spin on her behavior during the game.
- We already know that Zinnia is aware of the Pokemon world having alternate universes for the original games and the remakes. This could also mean she's aware of how defeated champions historically hang onto their thrones infinitely, because Playable Epilogue wasn't a thing yet. In other words, Steven is a symbol for status quo. Meanwhile, Zinnia is doing all she can to avert disaster, changing her attire, changing her plans on the spot, and accepting that her role has changed from the chosen one to just The Chooser of the One. Therefore, Zinnia sees Steven to be everyone she isn't, which is why she keeps reminding him that he is a former champion and not a current one: because if Steven didn't keep that in mind, then he'd just continuously challenge the player character without end.
- Zinnia constantly uses hypocorisms towards Aster the Whismur, in particular she outright refers to the Whismur as her daughter.
- Their appearances are incredibly similar. The remakes makes this even more notable as they have nearly the same color scheme, hair and eye color. It also helps that their names are actually incredibly similarnote . Perhaps Wally is named after Wallace because they look similar?
- If you look at those portals the Pokemon appear from, they look almost identical to the ones that Hoopa is supposedly able to generate.
- In the backstory for Hoopa and the Clash of the Ages, it's revealed that Hoopa would summon increasingly powerful Pokémon and beat the crap out of them as a form of entertainment. When it started summoning dangerous legendaries, its unbound forme was locked away in the prison bottle. So while not directly confirmed, it's still pretty strongly implied.
- It's a throwback to Gen III when Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire were released along with Pokemon FireRed and Pokemon LeafGreen. While there was a fancier remake of Ruby and Sapphire known as Pokemon Emerald, there was no remake of Pokemon Yellow. Since this is Gen VI, with Pokemon X and Y are released as the main game and Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire as the cool remake, I believe that Pokemon Yellow will return to start a new pattern to Nintendo's Pokemon algorithm.
Speculated Formula:Main Games (ex: X and Y)Fancy Remake (ex: OR and AS)Fandom Rejoice (ex: Pokemon Yellow ver 2.0)
Meanwhile, in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team, the natural disasters rocking the planet are signs of an impending meteor. The protagonist was brought to this world and turned into a Pokémon to resolve this crisis, which they accomplish by getting Rayquaza to blow up the meteor. Furthermore, the remains of the meteor end up impacting the planet elsewhere (presumably, Rayquaza wasn't able to destroy the meteor as thoroughly since it didn't have the added power boost of a Mega Evolution), creating Meteor Cave, a dungeon populated solely by transparent Deoxys mirages with the real Deoxys at the bottom.
Given that alternate timelines are officially a thing in the Pokémon canon (RSE vs ORAS, Black vs White, etc.), what if the meteor in the Rescue Team games came from an alternate version of ORAS, where Zinnia failed or wasn't around to prevent the scientists from following through?
There are two possible explanations: The first is that every individual save file of Pokemon could take place in an alternate universe from one another and the owners of multiple games can weld the continuity of their games together in any way they choose (e.g. connecting the events of their X or Y file with their Omega Ruby or Alpha Sapphire file). The result is many, rather than just two, alternate timelines where Mega Evolution may or may not exist or simply hasn't been discovered in a given time or region.The second is that every game prior to the release of their remakes (e.g. Ruby and Sapphire before their Gen VI remakes) is a condensed or fabricated version of what actually happened and we are only told what the player character remembers or wants to tell us (e.g. Gen III's Brendan or May may not want to talk about Zinnia because she scared them with her unnerving behavior.
In addition, it is never explicitly made clear whether the two timelines involving Mega Evolution or lack thereof is actually canon. We know that Zinnia isn't an entirely honest or trustworthy person, considering that she goes around the region stealing from people and talking to them in a mischievous manner during the Delta Episode, so it's entirely possible that she made the already very conjectural theory up. After all, she probably couldn't have known about the existence of any alternate timelines unless she had somehow managed to travel to such a dimension in the past, and evidence is provided that she has an active imagination (such as having imaginary conversations with her Whismur in a rather Calvin And Hobbes-esque manner in that she seems to "hear" her speak when no one else can).We also know that Zinn isn't fond of Steven or the Devon Corporation for whatever reason, so her destroying the device meant to warp the meteoroid away and justifying the act with the timeline theory may well have been done so that they wouldn't be taking credit for saving the world.
- Alternately, she may not actually know if such a universe exists or not, but is merely citing a theoretical example to explain why they can't just warp the meteoroid to another universe. It simply wouldn't be fair to the other universe, especially if they have no means to stop it themselves.