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This trope is about characters who are obviously going without underwear, and that's it. While the description offers several possible meanings, they're rarely used in examples, off-page (didn't check on page) and that's when the trope is being used correctly at all!

The Vapor Wear Wick Check shows that it's a mess of usage, as well. Examples about characters being barely clothed, examples where characters' lack of undergarments has to be revealed to the audience, and even examples where the supposed to be obvious lack of underwear is actively hidden from the audience are included alongside the usual ZC Es, a typo for Vapor Ware (which this trope is obviously a snowclone of) and correct but meaningless examples. Out of the 57 wicks checked, 19 were correct but lacked any explanation for why they go without (and, per the precedent set by Does Not Like Shoes, there needs to be meaning behind an aspect of their appearance for it to be tropable). Another six offered some explanation, but the use on those pages is all over the place, and two of them are from playing with pages, so not exactly proper examples.

I think disambiguating between Stripperiffic, Going Commando, Theiss Titillation Theory, and potentially other tropes is the best option for this page, unless we can find some meaning to coalesce a trope around, and I'm not sure we can.

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  • (Innocent Fanservice Girl) Darkstalkers:
    • Felicia is always naked outside of a fur bikini. It may be providing the absolute minimum coverage where it counts, but that's her own fur, not clothes. However, Felicia's butt is fully exposed, as some animation frames and some character design sheets show that her fur "panties" only cover her front part. This is a specific type of Japanese fanservice called maebari — the use of tape (or, in this case, fur) to cover up the genital region, a relic from when Japan prohibited the display of such in adult media. Contrast "pasties" from US and Carnaval. The designers are well aware of this too, as Felicia's "Dancing Flash" super move involves a barrage of kicks and scratches to her opponent. At one point, she delivers a high kick that leaves her butt fully exposed to the player. Her right hand just so conveniently drops down to her waist in order to censor it for that split second right before she uses it to scratch again.

    Actually Diamonds In The Buff based on context 1/ 57 
  • (Seductive Mummy) Queen's Blade: Antagonist character Menace is based on this trope, and emphasizes the "Seductive" aspect so much that you can easily be ignorant that she's supposed to be a mummy at all unless you paid attention when her backstory came up. She forgoes any semblance of bandages, sexy or otherwise, and just looks like a voluptuous bronze-skinned beauty running around in jewelry-based Vapor Wear. Her backstory is that she's the last ruler of an Egypt-themed fallen nation called Amara, which was overrun by invaders because Menace was too preoccupied with the pleasures of her lesbian harem to pay attention to ruling, something she deeply regretted when she was captured and thrown into her palace's slave pits to be beaten and raped to death. Brought back from the dead by the Swamp Witch, she's determined to rebuild her fallen nation and her harem, in roughly that order.

    Lack of undergarments has to be revealed 9/ 57 

    Kept from the audience 3/ 57 

    Implied 2/ 57 
  • (Anime.Neon Genesis Evangelion) Vapor Wear: Seeing how Rei strips off all of her undergarments before putting on her plugsuit, it seems to imply that none of the pilots wear underwear while wearing their plugsuits in order to boost their synchronization rating. Asuka probably gets to have her panties on in her period, though.
  • (Characters.American Hustle) Vapor Wear: There's a constant implication that Sydney doesn't wear anything under her dresses. Particularly in the stall sequence.

    Obviously not wearing underwear, no meaning given 19/ 57 

     Used in another example 12/ 57 

    Assumed (?) 1/ 57 

    ZCE 4/ 57 

    Aversion 2/ 57 

    Obviously not wearing underwear, seemingly for a reason 6/ 57 
  • (FinalGirl.Live Action Films Subversions Aversions And Parodies) Maxine in X doesn't just violate every moral rule of slasher movie survival, she does so professionally. She's a literal porn star who habitually uses cocaine and the most scantily-clad female character in the film, spending most of it (when she isn't outright fully nude) wearing overalls with nothing underneath that just barely cover her breasts. The ending also reveals the televangelist we see throughout the film railing against the sins of pornography is her father. She winds up the Sole Survivor who departs the film with a triumphant snort of blow as she drives away, having no doubts or second thoughts about her line of work. Meanwhile, Lorraine, the virginal "church mouse" who does the audio on the porn film that the protagonists are making, is initially presented as Final Girl material, but later decides to star in the film herself (cheating on her boyfriend in the process, while he's filming it) — and sure enough, she's the last of them to die.
  • (PlayingWith.Fidelity Test) Parodied:
    • Alice goes to the bar wearing Vapor Wear as part of her disguise and does everything she can think of to seduce Bob.
  • (PlayingWith.Lingerie Scene Inverted: Vapor Wear - Alice is fully clothed but wears no underwear. Could think of nowhere else to put it
  • (Series.Porridge Vapor Wear: Played for Laughs in "Heartbreak Hotel". When Fletcher's daughter, Ingrid, pays him a visit (in the open-plan visiting room), he is outraged that she's not wearing a bra and all the other prisoners can see it. Next time she visits, she puts a bra on, and just to make sure he knows it, she lifts up her t-shirt to demonstrate. To get a laugh from the audience is a reason, right?
  • (VideoGame.Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns Of The Patriots 1/2) Navel-Deep Neckline:
    • Naomi Hunter also has an unbuttoned blouse and is clearly not wearing a bra. Believe it or not, the lack of a bra turns out to be important, as when you're trying to track Naomi down when she's being carted off by a bunch of soldiers, you find a discarded bra left behind as one of the soldiers' many fake outs. She never bothers to reacquire one later. Stuck it here because it has a gameplay reason
  • (Webcomic.Nineteen Ninety Something) Vaporwear: Denise and Kendra, in true hippie fashion, never wear bras. Though Kendra might've gone back to wearing a bra as she has since decided to give up her hippie lifestyle.

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  • (Funny.Undead Unluck 1/2) The first conversation Nico and Ichico have in the 101st loop mirrors a similar conversation they had in their first meeting the previous loop...where Nico tells her that she should cover up her "unsightly mounds of flesh" and Ichico bluntly replies no. Fuuko panics thinking she's ruined things between the two and apologizes to Mico.

    Misused for Vaporware 1/ 57 
  • (LegFocus.Video Games) The novels indicate that this is what Jim Raynor was thinking about Sarah Kerrigan during the "I finished scouting the area and—you pig!" scene in StarCraft. The player can't actually tell, considering she's a low-detail sprite, but promo shots for the Vaporwear Third-Person Shooter StarCraft: Ghost indicate that Ghost uniforms are practically painted on. Fixed, BTW

    Very little or no clothing 5/ 57 

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 16th 2024 at 6:48:18 AM

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#26: Apr 23rd 2024 at 6:22:56 PM

Do we have enough existing examples for a redefinition to work? Yarding the concept of sexually loose characters obviously not wearing underwear was mentioned earlier in the thread because we don't already have enough examples that specify that detail, so TLP would be needed to gather examples for that definition.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 23rd 2024 at 8:24:13 AM

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#27: Apr 24th 2024 at 1:57:36 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure we have enough examples for such a redefinition.

Or at least not enough meaningful examples.

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#28: Apr 24th 2024 at 2:13:40 AM

[up] && [up][up]: Really? Maybe not in the sense of "wearing no undergarments at all", but I have the impression that there must be tons of examples where women not wearing bras has implications of sexual availability or seductiveness. Or have I misunderstood your point?

Edited by GnomeTitan on Apr 24th 2024 at 11:14:18 AM

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#29: Apr 24th 2024 at 2:43:17 AM

If you can find, or write up, enough examples of such with enough context, we might be able to redefine the trope along tose lines, or start a TLP for such a trope.

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#30: Apr 24th 2024 at 9:55:37 AM

[up][up]I'm saying we need to already have enough examples on the wiki for a redefinition to work. We can't do that based on a hunch that there might already be enough examples.

If there are already enough examples as you've said, sandbox them.

Edit: This thread for Suddenly Sexuality is an example of how not to redefine a trope, and featured the kind of scenario I want to avoid here — the thread tried to redefine the trope to fit examples that didn't already exist on the wiki, so the trope ended up getting cut.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 4:49:38 AM

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#31: Apr 24th 2024 at 10:50:31 AM

Like a TLP could be made if you have examples to share, but the process here requires us to already have such usage on the wiki.

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#33: Apr 25th 2024 at 1:53:36 AM

I see. So that was what the posts above were referring to. I misunderstood them as talking about examples existing in works, rather than already being written up on the wiki. That's why I was a bit confused.

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#34: Apr 25th 2024 at 9:53:19 AM

Yeah, I do think modifying the trope to define it as "outfit with areas in it that give away that there's obviously no underwear being used as Fanservice" could work. This is because this kind of outfit already does show up in other instances of clothing tropes where clothing with holes in it that do show that there couldn't be underwear underneath are used as Fanservice, such as the Navel-Deep Neckline trope or variants of the Sexy Slit Dress where the slit in the dress is so high up that it's obvious that the character isn't wearing underwear. (funny enough, this redefinition of the trope could make it a super-trope to the tropes previous listed)

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#35: Apr 25th 2024 at 6:58:00 PM

[up]Are there enough on-wiki examples to make such a change worthwhile?

I still think yarding that concept is the best idea, unless someone wants to scare up enough examples to run it through TLP themselves.

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#36: Apr 26th 2024 at 9:28:38 AM

I managed to gather (with help from all of you) a few tropes that could be considered Vapor Wear. I think that instead of making it a disambiguation, it would be better to make it a super trope because there are nine tropes that show exactly where a character does not wear underwear (bra and panties in the case of women). The tropes are these:

Now to complete, there are two tropes left that have not yet been created that I think could enhance this trope.

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#37: Apr 26th 2024 at 9:35:57 AM

[up]Going Commando is definitely not a subtrope of Vapor Wear, because it covers all cases where somebody doesn't wear underwear, while Vapor Wear only covers the cases where you can see that they aren't.

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#38: Apr 26th 2024 at 2:41:58 PM

Just because there are numerous tropes that can be tied to this in some way (I would also throw in Naked in Mink and Diamonds in the Buff) doesn't mean that we can't disambig, and I still doubt there's enough to the "trope" to make a supertrope worthwhile. If it got really big, like say 20 tropes, I would say maybe consider converting to an index, but as is, I still say disambiguate.

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#39: Apr 26th 2024 at 5:12:27 PM

No, I do think Grandefarao's got a point in that this trope could have its definition reworked into a supertrope to various other Fanservice outfit tropes. A list of said tropes could look something like this:

- Cleavage Window (if the window is large enough to show that there couldn't be a bra underneath

- Diamonds in the Buff

- Impossibly-Low Neckline (unless in cases that the character is wearing a strapless undergarment underneath)

- Intimate Open Shirt (if there's nothing underneath the shirt)

- Navel-Deep Neckline

- Naked in Mink

- Sexy Backless Outfit

- Sexy Slit Dress (if the slit is high enough to the point that there's obviously no underwear underneath

- Sideboob

- Underboobs

These tropes listed do have something uniting them- these tropes do feature the fact that there's obviousl no undergarments underneath the outer clothes, and that aspect adds the Fanservice. Therefore, Vapor Wear still holds tropable value, and even then, there are some other stuff that hasn't been made into its own trope already that could be listed here (such as clothes with slits in the hips, or clothing that is transparent, in the case that there's no undergarments underneath)

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#40: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:29:31 AM

I'm thinking. This is in line with the topic of Vapor Wear; as I have an interest with fashion and fashion history, and with the concept of "underwear as outerwear" that started with Marie Antoinette's chemise dress that lead to Regency era women wearing high-waisted white dresses; men in the '50s wearing white t-shirts, and now the t-shirt is everywhere; and now there are talks of women wearing sports bras in the streets, and men wearing short shorts again, which trope would be best use the "underwear as outerwear", and underwear evolving into outerwear, be placed? Or should "underwear as outerwear" be a trope on its own?

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Apr 27th 2024 at 6:02:31 PM

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#41: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:57:25 AM

That sounds like it would be a sister tope or subtrope of Lingerie Scene, and best off as its own trope, as wearing underwear as outerwear and not wearing underwear at all are two distinct concepts

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#42: Apr 27th 2024 at 2:09:51 AM

Lingerie as outerwear sounds like a missing sister trope to Walking Swimsuit Scene and Walking Shirtless Scene. I guess it's off-topic for this conversation but perhaps a TLP proposal should be made.

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#43: Apr 27th 2024 at 3:54:25 AM

Going back to post 39, a supertrope still has to be meaningful in itself, and I don't really see this working as a supertrope, because I don't see enough meaning in and of itself.

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#44: Apr 27th 2024 at 1:48:41 PM

As for post #43, there IS meaning in there. It's about something that connects all of those tropes together- it's about clothes that show there's obviously no underwear underneath being used as Fanservice. Heck, most of the tropes that I could consider Vapor Wear to be the supertrope to have really only remained tropeworthy by virtue of BEING Fanservice tropes. If it weren't for their Fanservice value, it's unlikely that they could remain tropeworthy.

If the tropes I listed have managed to remain afloat due to their Fanservice value, then Vapor Wear does deserve to stay to cover instances of Fanservice-y costume design where it's obvious there's no underwear underneath, but the exact manner of how the skin is exposed is not covered by any of the previous tropes listed.

Edited by DeadlyEspresso on Apr 27th 2024 at 1:48:54 AM

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#45: Apr 27th 2024 at 5:30:11 PM

To that, I go back to the precedent of Does Not Like Shoes. There it was determined that even though there are multiple tropes about going barefoot, there wasn't enough tying them together to make a supertrope about them make sense. It was ultimately turned into a trope about explicitly preferring to go barefoot, which is not called a supertrope to the other tropes. Just because there's a concept tying a bunch of tropes together doesn't mean that said concept is actually tropeworthy, especially if there isn't a unifying reason for said concept.

To also quote People Sit on Chairs:

Indeed, people sitting in chairs can be a trope if there's that added element of a meaningful connection or pattern to recognize. For instance, the chair may be impossibly awesome, which gives you an idea of who might be sitting in it. Or the chair might be a more functional Super Wheelchair. Or the first time we encounter the character, their back may be to the audience until they swivel around in their chair. Or they may be sitting in a chair that's claimed by someone else. Or the Big Bad might be slouching in the chair and showing off their badness. Or the chair might be conspicuous by its emptiness. These are all real tropes involving a chair and somebody sitting (or not sitting) in it. But what makes them tropes is that there's something meaningful to the characters in the story using the chair in such a way.

Just "going visibly without underwear" doesn't have any extra unifying theme that isn't already covered by Going Commando, while the tropes proposed as subtropes to it, do. If anything, I would propose they becomes subtropes of Going Commando and not Vaporwear.

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#46: Apr 27th 2024 at 11:37:28 PM

[up]I’m a bit dubious about making those tropes subtropes of Going Commando, mainly because they are all appearance tropes, while Going Commando doesn’t have to be visible at all. In fact, the way Going Commando is often played in fiction is that it’s somehow revealed that a character is doing it, and it comes as a surprise to others, because their clothing wasn’t revealing.

As for having Vapour Wear as a supertrope, I’m not at all sure that we need a supertrope to those fashion tropes. Or maybe, if we need one, it should be more general, a trope for revealing clothing in general (and that trope’s not Stripperiffic, because that carries sexual connotations and has a somewhat disparaging name).

Edited by GnomeTitan on Apr 27th 2024 at 8:38:16 PM

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#47: Apr 28th 2024 at 8:30:16 AM

[up]

they are all appearance tropes, while Going Commando doesn’t have to be visible at all.
A subtrope doesn't have to conform to all aspects of the supertrope.

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#48: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:22:40 AM

[up]Maybe not all aspects, but all of a subtrope's examples still have to fit the supertrope as well, which means all of a subtrope's aspects have to be covered by the supertrope as well. If they don't all fit the supertrope, then the subtrope isn't actually a subtrope.

Edit: Reworded because I misread at first and then reread it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 28th 2024 at 12:33:11 PM

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#49: Apr 28th 2024 at 10:24:03 AM

Yes, it's supertropes that don't need to conform to subtropes, not the other way around.

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#50: Apr 28th 2024 at 4:52:23 PM

Part of the point of a supertrope is that, if you don't know what subtrope an example goes under (or it doesn't exist yet), you can put the example in the supertrope and call it a day. So yeah, they don't work as subtropes of Going Commando.

There are already a few supertropes for those tropes anyway, though it doesn't look like all of them currently fit under a single supertrope. Not sure they need one. On the other hand, usage stats:

Found in 1177 articles, excluding discussions.

Since January 1, 2012 this article has brought 19,377 people to the wiki from non-search engine links.

Clearly people like the trope name, and I'd like to find something to do with it besides just disambiguating. Unfortunately, the usage is so all over the place I don't see anything better.

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