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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#168101: Apr 29th 2024 at 11:46:47 AM

I want goofy robo speak Sentinals and edgy 90's looking Sabertooth. I just think humans being dumb enough to make killer robots having them programmed to say stuff like I AM STILL PLUGGED IN works for me.

Edited by Mizerous on Apr 29th 2024 at 2:51:21 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#168102: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:30:00 PM

Alright. Found that clip I was talking about before.

Man. The Sentinels can see what the rest of humanity refuses to, even if they're still murder machines.

And in the comics, they're becoming sentient enough to start hating both humans and mutants.

One Strip! One Strip!
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#168103: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:40:35 PM

I could see Bastion emerging in the mainline MCU from the aborted DOFP timeline as a mashup of his own character and the Fury - the echoes of the timeline eventually managed to gain sentience and build a body, and now Bastion exists as some kind of machine messiah trying to retroactively seed the construction of the Sentinels in the mainline MCU. I suspect that they'll go with "DOFP was only possible because of Loki's meddling", so that could be a natural consequence.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#168104: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:52:17 PM

I feel Master Mold in the mcu is unlikely. Bastion was created spefically because Mold as a concept of giant talking robot wasnt great in a modern context. Plus a soft spoken Psychopath is way more interesting

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#168105: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:56:46 PM

Doesn't have to be Mold, it could be the manifestation of the will driving the Singerverse Sentinels made form. There's gotta be consequences to temporal meddling, you can't just erase an entire timeline.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#168106: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:37:03 PM

Just the other day I was wondering if there ever was a storyline in which Ultron takes control of the Sentinels.

It would be cool to see a storyline where that happens. Maybe his algorithm tells him that he will never wipe out humanity unless he eliminates the next step in human evolution first.

During Annihilation: Conquest he did took over the Kree Sentries, so there's a sort of precedent.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#168107: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:38:39 PM

He took over the Phalanx in that same storyline too. But that didn't pan out since Ultron didn't really give a shit about them either.

Ultron just doesn't really play well with others, including other AI.

Edited by M84 on Apr 29th 2024 at 11:39:06 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KRider Since: Feb, 2021
#168108: Apr 29th 2024 at 10:49:55 PM

[up][up]Ultron taking over the Sentinels is pretty much how the comics Age of Ultron happened.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#168109: Apr 30th 2024 at 3:11:47 AM

Master Mold is interesting because like... why is he a giant human shaped robot exactly? Does he stand up and fight himself?

i feel like you could have a sentient moving factory that creates Sentinels and call it M Aster Mold. It doesn't have to be a Beeg Sentinel, does it?

Kaze ni Nare!
KRider Since: Feb, 2021
#168110: Apr 30th 2024 at 3:39:21 AM

[up]He did try to stand up and either flee or fight in the animated series twice. First attempt was where you get the now-tired joke about him being plugged to his chair while his lair gets flooded and the second attempt was more successful but Xavier rams a Blackbird full of explosives onto him. They could choose to use Mother Mold from Krakoa Age instead of Classic Master Mold where the former is instead a giant Sentinel head that forms the core of a circular space station that spits out near-endless waves of Sentinels.

Edited by KRider on Apr 30th 2024 at 3:40:39 AM

CheapMarzipan A Low Cost Confection Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
A Low Cost Confection
#168111: Apr 30th 2024 at 5:04:19 AM

Classic Master Mold was always a bit too silly for me but I loved the version from episode 5 of X-Men 97’. Something like that could be absolutely terrifying in live action.

Edited by CheapMarzipan on Apr 30th 2024 at 7:04:28 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#168112: Apr 30th 2024 at 6:02:52 AM

Master Mold's thing is that he's a battle factory. He can constantly create new Sentinels and because he's a giant robot that means he can easily defend himself from attacks.

Also I just remembered in other Mutant villains done well, the Shadow King has a fantastic portrayal in the Legion TV show, being the shows primary antag.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#168113: Apr 30th 2024 at 6:50:21 AM

Master Mold is interesting because like... why is he a giant human shaped robot exactly? Does he stand up and fight himself?

I figured that he's the main schematic that the other sentinels are based on. You need a mold to base them off of, and he's the master copy.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#168114: Apr 30th 2024 at 6:53:17 AM

[up] Given his name, that's probably exactly what the intention is.

But like... thats not how molds work. XD Car factories aren't shaped like giant cars (unfortunately)

Kaze ni Nare!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#168115: Apr 30th 2024 at 7:02:18 AM

Its impressive how Legion finally gave us our first true live-actioj rendition of a battle between 2 Omega Level mutants, between David and the Shadow King.

Even more so since it was done a TV shows budget, meaning it accomplished something not even a big budget movie like Dark Phoenix was ever able to do.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#168117: Apr 30th 2024 at 7:33:11 AM

Master Mold as an inscrutable god-machine using Nimrod as an avatar is kinda what I had in mind.

MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
The Man Outside Reality
#168118: Apr 30th 2024 at 7:41:26 AM

[up][up] I'm of the opinion that Love and Thunder is the worst MCU film by a mile, and I definitely agree that Thor and his supporting cast feel like SNL versions of themselves.

Say what you will about Dark World, but at least that movie took what was happening seriously, even if the material itself wasn't very interesting.

Trust no one.
MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#168119: Apr 30th 2024 at 7:41:57 AM

I don't think they can get away with Nimrod. The connotations around that name... like, it's too silly. I don't like playing the "too silly" card because the MCU has proven it can make silly work, but Nimrod is too far over the line. It's too serious of a character with too stupid of a name.

Yes I do know he's named after a Biblical hunter. That's not what that name sounds like, though.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#168120: Apr 30th 2024 at 7:52:29 AM

[up] As someone who's never read an X-Men comic, that was my exact reaction to the name.

I asked on this forum a few days ago: "Who in the actual hell is Bastion? I've never read a comic, help." and the response I got was "He's a fusion of Master Mold and Nimrod" as if A. That would clear anything up, and B. it just made me think "A fusion of Master Mold and an idiot?" xD

Edited by GNinja on Apr 30th 2024 at 3:13:54 PM

Kaze ni Nare!
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#168121: Apr 30th 2024 at 8:10:34 AM

Easiest way to do it is to change Nimrod's name a bit. Namrud would suffice.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#168122: Apr 30th 2024 at 8:17:11 AM

It’s hilarious how Bugs Bunny single handedly changed the perception of a word

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#168125: Apr 30th 2024 at 8:28:01 AM

One thing they can do is use the character without ever giving his name. Like, Gargantos wasn't named in MoM outside of promotional material, and Man-Thing was never said in Werewolf by Night.


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