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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#168076: Apr 29th 2024 at 6:15:05 AM

They preferred the bulky looking killer robots from the 90s I expect

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#168077: Apr 29th 2024 at 6:17:32 AM

The biggest scary thing about the Future Sentinels is that their heads open up like furnaces whenever they are about to kill people.

It's been 3000 years…
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#168078: Apr 29th 2024 at 6:23:26 AM

@Tobiasdrake

"Iceman? Cool. We have ice powers now. Pyro? Gives us fire powers"

No, in that clip you see the Sentinel facing Sunspot (the fire guy) turning itself into ice to counter him. The Sentinel that fights Iceman turns into fire.

The Sentinel Colossus fights doesn't seem to just be copying his metal form, but turning itself into an even stronger metal.

Edited by M84 on Apr 29th 2024 at 9:26:03 PM

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#168079: Apr 29th 2024 at 6:24:42 AM

Wifi powers. The Sentinals traded data on Sunspot and Iceman to counter each other.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#168080: Apr 29th 2024 at 6:26:37 AM

The general idea is that the Future Sentinels are using whatever power is best suited to counter their targets.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#168081: Apr 29th 2024 at 6:34:29 AM

Interestingly the Sentinels must be able to pump their powers up to higher levels than the originals they're copying from. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to both counter Iceman with Sunspot and Sunspot with Iceman.

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#168082: Apr 29th 2024 at 6:35:48 AM

Yeah, hence my idea that the Sentinel fighting Colossus didn't just copy his metal form but turned itself into an even harder metal.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#168083: Apr 29th 2024 at 7:02:36 AM

The Sentinels really are the perfect manifestation of mutants conflict with humanity.

To hate another group so much you design machines made for nothing more than the purpose of killing them, and to constantly refine weapons until they become nothing more than monsters born from your own hatred and malice.

They even begun attacking humans as well, showcasing that they've also lost control of the monsters they've made and have turned against them.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 29th 2024 at 7:03:15 AM

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#168084: Apr 29th 2024 at 7:21:50 AM

[up] That’s because the Sentinels understand something that their creators always forget:

Mutants ‘’’ARE’’’ humans.

So they were built to protect mankind from themselves.

Mastermold said as much, word for word in the original X-men cartoon.

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#168085: Apr 29th 2024 at 7:26:16 AM

The Sentinels never not turn against their human masters.

You'd think humans would learn but we're not learning machines.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#168086: Apr 29th 2024 at 7:32:26 AM

Reminds me of the line from Inferno 2021 where the Omega Sentinel reveals the machines are playing Orchis, went something along this line.

"The secret they don't know, we hate them as much as we hate you."

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 29th 2024 at 7:32:36 AM

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#168087: Apr 29th 2024 at 7:35:02 AM

Yeah, the future Sentinels are just as awesome as they are terrifying. And to think that they dominated the world in 2023 of all years...

Weird, I must've missed the robot apocalypse last year.

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#168088: Apr 29th 2024 at 7:58:35 AM

that was from the Bad Timeline which was thankfully erased when I went back in time and punched this one guy so the sentinel program never happened

your're welcome

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#168089: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:16:16 AM

Thank you very much

We may live in a slow burn AI capitalist nightmare but it’s still better than Days of Future Past.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#168090: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:19:56 AM

So we're in Logan slowburn discreet genocide rather than Days Of Future Past direct action genocide?

Edited by dcutter2 on Apr 29th 2024 at 4:20:03 PM

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#168091: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:21:08 AM

Sentinels have always been one of my favourite X-Men things. Conceptually they're just so cool. And you don't need to dedicate much time to characterizing them if you don't want to because of how they work.

I'm not sure if there's a name for this, but I sometimes feel like a lot of superheroes have this issue where adaptations can only write ONE of their villains competently. In the case of the X-Men, it's M Agneto. Have the movies written any good X-Men villains who aren't Magneto?

Edited by GNinja on Apr 29th 2024 at 3:22:17 PM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#168092: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:37:27 AM

Schreiber's Sabretooth was the best part of an otherwise Goatse-sized shit movie. Just a perfect encapsulation of everything Creed is about.

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#168093: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:38:51 AM

He looked weirdly comic book accurate,which baffled me to end when everthing was clearly not

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#168094: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:40:30 AM

Sebastion Shaw was pretty underrated in First Class.

Plus he's portrayed by Kevin Bacon.

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#168095: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:47:23 AM

[up][up] Actually, it's the other way around. Sabretooth was redesigned in the comics to look more like Liev Schreiber. Prior to X-Men Origins he had a lion mane.

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#168097: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:57:27 AM

Give me yellow spandex, not 2000s leather. I would literally clap if they get James Marsden back as Cyclops then do him justice in Deadpool 3

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#168098: Apr 29th 2024 at 8:59:28 AM

Tyler Mane had the look and the intimidation, but was a barely-verbal brute with no personality. Schreiber didn't have the look, but his body language gave him the intimidation factor and he had a laser-accurate take on Creed's personality and character. The malice and contempt he could convey with his lines more than made up for not being a massive dude (and Schreiber is still a pretty big guy, just not a behemoth like Mane).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#168099: Apr 29th 2024 at 9:02:35 AM

Man I hope Sabretooth returns in DP 3.

Be a perfect way to finally settle their rivalry.

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#168100: Apr 29th 2024 at 9:10:28 AM

If he gets an MCU version, I vote Kevin Durand. Honestly, Pablo Schreiber would be great too if you can overlook his half-brother having already played him.


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