Old Magnificent Bastard thread
Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List
Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM
Lizzid people!
Keep Burrell
Keep Burrell.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Switching to keep Burrell.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Ultimate Moral Compass
Keep Burrell and yeah, that cut post sounded very petty (among other things)
Edited by therealjackieboy on May 1st 2024 at 1:32:26 AM
"No running in the halls!"
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Right I never got around to doing this since Lighty was banned from the forums but with The Continental happenings, I've got two tweaks to two of the writeups on the John Wick page. Might be worth putting them in a franchise wide section at the top?
Originals
- Winston Scott, the cultured and erudite master of the New York Continental Hotel, possesses an encyclopedic knowledge of the underworld and enforces the neutrality of his territory with ruthless efficiency. When the assassin Ms. Perkins violates the rules of hospitality, Winston summarily has her lured into a trap and unceremoniously gunned down. Acting as an arbiter, Winston tries to caution John himself against revenge on Santino D'antonio, only to delay John's execution as long as he can when it fails. Engaging the High Table in open war, Winston then brokers a deal that results in him trying to kill John and barely failing. Upon the ascension of the Marquis de Gramont and death of his concierge and beloved friend Charon, a vengeful Winston concocts a scheme so John can duel the Marquis and regain his freedom along with Winston's status. Entrusting his life to John in the duel, Winston takes no small satisfaction in distracting the Marquis for John's final blow and graciously honors his word to "bring John home", ensuring his friend's tombstone bears his chosen epitaph.
- Charon is the ever-professional concierge for the Continental and Winston's closest friend and ally. Running the Continental with immaculate prestige, Charon provides all sorts of services for any member of the assassin underworld who wish to use the hotel's facilities. When under threat from the High Table's forces, Charon effortlessly disposes of the invading foes with tactical ruthlessness. Loyal to Winston to the end, Charon defends him from the the vile Marquis Vincent de Gramont and dies peacefully when fatally wounded, remarking to his closest friend "It Has Been an Honor".
Additions
- Winston Scott, the cultured and erudite master of the New York Continental Hotel, possesses an encyclopedic knowledge of the underworld and enforces the neutrality of his territory with ruthless efficiency. Having risen from the slums to a life of wealth, Winston enacts a complicated scheme to get revenge on the vile head of the Continental, Conrad — later declaring the Continental to be his towards the High Table in which he shapes it to his image of sophistication. When the assassin Ms. Perkins violates the rules of hospitality, Winston summarily has her lured into a trap and unceremoniously gunned down. Acting as an arbiter, Winston tries to caution John himself against revenge on Santino D'antonio, only to delay John's execution as long as he can when it fails. Engaging the High Table in open war, Winston then brokers a deal that results in him trying to kill John and barely failing. Upon the ascension of the Marquis de Gramont and death of his concierge and beloved friend Charon, a vengeful Winston concocts a scheme so John can duel the Marquis and regain his freedom along with Winston's status. Entrusting his life to John in the duel, Winston takes no small satisfaction in distracting the Marquis for John's final blow and graciously honors his word to "bring John home", ensuring his friend's tombstone bears his chosen epitaph.
- Charon is the ever-professional concierge for the Continental and Winston's closest friend and ally. Formerly the butler of Conrad who became disgusted with his master's savage possessiveness, Charon aids Winston with the takedown of Conrad and the reworking of the Continental. Running the Continental with immaculate prestige, Charon provides all sorts of services for any member of the assassin underworld who wish to use the hotel's facilities. When under threat from the High Table's forces, Charon effortlessly disposes of the invading foes with tactical ruthlessness. Loyal to Winston to the end, Charon defends him from the the vile Marquis Vincent de Gramont and when fatally wounded for his loyalties to Winston, remarks to his closest friend "It Has Been an Honor".
Edited by WetFlannels on May 1st 2024 at 9:43:34 AM
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
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for the expansions, and yeah I'd say they could be put in a Franchise-Wide section.
Keep Burrell.
Dude, not cool.
Edited by DukeNukem4ever on May 1st 2024 at 3:13:50 AM
Ok, so this was pushed to the previous page... but alright, redacting my cut proposal, I guess I went somewhat overboard, mea culpa
Also redacted the A-word from the suggested cut post if its really offensive (even if it's somewhat backlogged)... I swear, I do not have any beef against autism or anything, it's just a descriptive word
Edited by RobertTYL on May 1st 2024 at 7:21:22 PM
You’re not understanding the points of criticism.
A nice swimmer
I opened a thread on image pickin' for MagnificentBastard.One Piece, check it out and post examples for it, if you wanna.
Showtime!
Yeah, the word autism is not offensive. You constantly referring to a major character as just the autistic boy and presenting him getting one over on the villain as absolutely ridiculous and a complete humiliation for the villain
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
Ok, got carried away a little yesterday. Sorry
Burrell can go or stay, no issues either way
Edited by RobertTYL on May 1st 2024 at 7:51:03 PM
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
This example was just added to YMMV.Warframe:
- Magnificent Bastard: Parvos Granum, the Founder of the Corpus Empire. Once a lowly grain farmer, after stealing from the Orokin an incredibly valuable gem after being convinced by a mysterious voice to do so, he started to give loans to his fellow farmers and started new businesses until he had so much money that he created the Corpus Empire. After surviving two assassination attempts, the first one being from a Warframe hit-squad and a second one from failed sabotage from his Board of Directors, he returns to the Origin System to bring back the Corpus into its old glory of self-reliance. Smart, resourceful and charismatic, Parvos shows time after time when he shows up that he is always two steps ahead of everyone.
From what I can tell, the example is not approved (the example has grammar issues that should have been caught in the draft stage, and a Google search doesn't give me an effort post), but I was actually strongly considering proposing him, so this is a good sign to do that.
Edited by Zuxtron on May 1st 2024 at 8:01:18 AM
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Speaking as an autistic person myself... would it be rude to ask for this discussion to move to PMs? I 100% understand it was not a good thing to say, but I really do not want this thread to be sidetracked by drama, and would rather just move on.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
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Good job and I support a franchise wide section. Would John himself be moved there?
Jogo
Keep Burrel and to the John Wick Expansions
Miraculous Ladybug: Marinette Dupain-Cheng, Miraculous Ladybug: Adrien Agreste and Miraculous Ladybug Felix Fathom have been remerged into Miraculous Ladybug: Paris' Champions and Miraculous Ladybug: Team Miraculous.
Because to that I've changed the header of the page to this:
In the world of Miraculous Ladybug, Marinette "Ladybug" Dupain-Cheng, Adrien "Cat Noir" Agreste and the other Miraculous heroes face a litany of Akumatized villains and their leaders. Below are the most captivating by way of charm and brilliance.
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
That looks great, good job.
Goku Black
Switch to keep durrell.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Anymore final opinions on this before I add to drafts?
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
John Wick Rewrites
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Yeah sorry, tiny buttons 
Edited by LarryT on May 3rd 2024 at 4:16:53 AM
In honor of Akira Toriyama
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Was that a typo?
Officially fliping to keeping Burrell and yeah, I don’t like how post sounds either.