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07/09/2019 09:27:16 •••

Almost quintessential Spidey, but amped up. (Spoiler warning)

Spider-man has been one of the most popular Marvel character because he's the most relatable. Sure, he's got superpowers and fights supervillains, but he's still trying to get through high school and figure out how to ask a girl out on a date or get his homework finished while he does that other stuff.

And this movie is all about that, maybe even more so than Homecoming. Take everything about that and amp it up to eleven.


So now, not only does Peter have to manage being Spider-man, he also has to manage basically becoming the heir to Iron Man's mantle. Those are some big shoes to fill. And all the while he's trying to ask MJ out.

Then there's the standard "oh no I'm a superhero and that might put my friends/family in danger." And in this movie they raise the bar even more. His classmates, especially his best friend and crush, are DIRECTLY brought into the line of fire in two ways - Nick Fury hijacks his school trip and redirects him into the cities where an attack is expected, because he didn't want his friends to notice that he'd "disappeared" from the trip if he helps out. Then when they find out Mysterio's secret, they are specifically put on the a kill list.

What results is, well, the relatable feelings of being a teenager who is under way too much pressure to perform up to all the expectations of all the adults around him. He makes some bad choices and mistakes, which again are understandable given the situation. One of his first instincts is to run away from his problems, leave them behind, or hand it off to someone else. But it never works. Which makes it all the more fulfilling to see him regain his confidence and decide to do what needs to be done, and fix his mistakes.

Mysterio is excellent. His backstory is explained sort of in an infodump, but it's integrated into the previous films so well that, while it's an obvious infodump, it was reasonably acceptable for how it happened in the film. The actual technology and use of Mysterio's powers works really well and leads to some amazing (though intentionally confusing) scenes in the movie.

As for the mid-credits scene - again, back to the beginning, classic spider-man problems have been amped up to 11. Not only is JJ Jameson back, he's got (fake) video evidence of Spider-man being evil, AND his secret identity is now out. Nice. I'm not sure where the MCU is going to from here but so far, I haven't been let down by Marvel Studio's writers when they make huge decisions like this.

9/10, just about everything I wanted out of a Spider-Man story. I just hope Mysterio makes a comeback, maybe as a quasi-hero. Because he was great in this movie, and the MCU needs another Loki-level villain/hero.

07/08/2019 00:00:00

Call me old-fashioned, but I think the Homecoming reboot films deviate too much from the established lore for me to enjoy them.

Since when is Petey beholden to Stark, when the one he's supposed to take orders from is J Jonah? Why is he involved in any way with SHIELD? None of that sounds like it belongs in a Spiderman film.

The McGuire films did a better job of capturing the spirit of the comics. We had Petey working at the Bugle while still in highschool. Aunt May looked and sounded the way she did in the comics. So did Flash, Harry Osborne, and MJ. And Pete still dealt with the anxieties of juggling his personal life with his responsibilities as a crime fighter.

I really don't get what they're going for with this new series.

07/08/2019 00:00:00


It\'s a small detail, but in the first Spider-Man movie, Peter got the Bugle job while he was in college.

Personally, while Spider-Man 2 is still my favorite Spider-Man movie, I appreciate that Homecoming and Far From Home are willing to try new things, in keeping with the times. For example, it\'s obviously more difficult for Peter to make a living as a freelance photographer or for JJJ to smear Spider-Man\'s reputation with newspapers on the decline. The Amazing films did try to do some things differently, but the first film felt like a bit too much of a retread of the first Sam Raimi film\'s origin story.

In any case, I mostly agree with the review, although I probably wouldn\'t have included the spoilers, even with a warning.

07/08/2019 00:00:00

For example, it's obviously more difficult for Peter to make a living as a freelance photographer or for JJJ to smear Spiderman's reputation with newspapers on the decline.

Easily solved by reworking Peter as a blogger or a YouTuber, who happens to contribute photos and video of Spidey to the Bugle. It'd modernize his profession while keeping him at his old workplace, so to speak.

Peter could potentially make millions from home by simply uploading video of himself crimefighting, which would be exclusive to his channel. Imagine the followers and ad revenue he'd get for that.

07/08/2019 00:00:00

i disagree. The \"spirit\" of Spider-Man is not specifics like Aunt May being old, or working as a photographer for JJ Jameson. The essence of Spider-Man is a young hero, trying to balance hero responsibilities with personal life responsibilities. Everything else is secondary.

Stark plays a huge part simply because this is the MCU. So far, the MCU is basically defined by Tony Stark, right from the very first Iron Man with his \"I am Iron Man\" line at the end. In the MCU, superheroes are not secret, they are highly public, and easily identified.

In a standalone spider-man film, it would be possible. But not in the MCU. Dr. Strange is in New York. Stark Tower is in New York. SHIELD headquarters is in New York. Spider-man simply can\'t just ignore the Avengers and the Avengers can\'t just ignore him. The comics basically just ignore it and people just accept that it\'s one of those silly comic things. But the MCU so far has been designed to be more cohesive and interconnected than that, so any Spider-Man in the MCU can\'t avoid the Avengers unless he gives up heroing altogether.

07/09/2019 00:00:00

Dr. Strange is in New York. Stark Tower is in New York. SHIELD headquarters is in New York. Spiderman can't just ignore the Avengers and the Avengers can't just ignore him.

Which means nothing. Living in the same city doesn't mean having to work with each other. The SNK universe is basically the same:

Terry Bogard lives in South town. So does Ryo Sakazai, Robert Garcia, and many of the KOF Tournament's most prolific martial artists. But they're not a "group", they operate independently of each other and only meet during the tournament.

When they aren't competing at the tournament, Terry travels the globe on his own, Ryo runs his family's dojo, and Robert flies back to Italy to manage his father's business. They only meet outside of the tournament on occasion.

So who says Peter has to involve himself with Stark or the Avengers just because they happen to live in the same city?

And yes, Peter working at the Bugle is both an established and an intrinsic part of his character. It's his cover identity and it's how he makes a living.

07/09/2019 00:00:00

Since when is Petey beholden to Stark, when the one he's supposed to take orders from is J Jonah?

If by "taking order", you mean "provide pictures as mean to get money and not go beyond that". The comparison with Stark doesn't feel right somehow.

Why is he involved in any way with SHIELD?

Uh... that's hardly something new from Homecoming. Spider-Man interacted with SHIELD all the time in both the mainstream comics, the Ultimate Spider-Man comics and the 90s animated series. They weren't quite as omnipresent as they were in that stupid Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, but they are featured on regular basis in the classic Spider-Man mythos, long before the Raimi movies even went into production.

I do have some problems with these MCU Spider-Man movies, mind you, but Spider-Man interacting with SHIELD isn't exactly out of place.

07/09/2019 00:00:00

@Theokal3: The only animated Spiderman series I'm familiar with are Spiderman & His Amazing Friends (aired Saturday mornings from mid-late 80s) and The Amazing Spiderman (weekday afternoons during the 90's). I don't recall seeing the Avengers in either one, aside from two episodes in the latter that featured Capt. America and, even then, it was only a temporary team-up. In the Amazing Friends series, Peter had his own team.

In the comics (back when I was still reading them), I recall him briefly considering an offer to join the X-Men, which he declined.

So admittedly, my recollection is spotty since I only followed Spiderman comics and cartoon series between the mid 80s/late 90s period, which is around the time that my interests shifted from comics to anime.

07/09/2019 00:00:00

Neither of these show was entirely accurate to the comic (Amazing Friends is pretty much the only version where he has this team), and Spider-Man: The Animated Series featured several appearances of SHIELD, with them even playing an important role in Chameleon\'s first appearance. It also had plenty of cameos of only only Captain America, but also the Fantastic Four, Iron Man, the X-Men and War Machine, though admittedly I do prefer when they are kept to the minimum. And comic book Spider-Man has now been a member of the Avengers for several decades, with his mentor relationship with Stark developping around the New Avengers run (albeit not as much as in the MCU). In fact, in the comic he acquired the Symbiot during a crossover events with both the X-Men and Avengers. Literally all of this stuff is either from the comic or the animated series. I do personally prefer when Spider-Man is mostly of his own living his separate adventures and only joins the Avengers for big occasions, but his connexions with the rest of the Marvel universe are something faithful to the Spider-Man mythos.

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