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01/17/2018 22:24:21

Star Wars fans don't know how movies work. Flagged

If you didn't like The Last Jedi, you're wrong.

Okay not really. There's nothing wrong with not liking a movie. You like what you like and you don't like what you don't like.

The Last Jedi is a magnificent film. One that deftly blends action spectacle and thematic contemplation together. It's a funny, dramatic, humanist tale that manages to evolve the Star Wars franchise. It does have its problems, a slow second act and the occasional joke that doesn't really work, but Leia floating through space is not one of them.

Y'see, you can *not like* the various ways the force is used in the film, but that's actually not a problem with the movie itself. Complaining about how the force is used here purely because it was never used the same way in previous films is like complaining about the Emperor's force lightning in Rot J. It's the exact. same. thing.

Even beyond that, most of the complaints against this film seem to come down to They Changed It, So It Sucks. "Luke is different here than he was 30 years ago"! Yeah, it's almost like time and bearing the guilt of the mistake he made has worn him down or something. "Rey turns out to be a nobody!" Yeah, the film is showing that anyone can be a Jedi, like with the boy at the end. "Snoke dies and we never learned who he was!" Who Snoke actually was, didn't really matter. What he represented did. He represented the struggle in Kylo's mind. If killing Han represented Ben Solo's turn from the light then Snoke's death represented Kylo Ren's turn from the dark. It ties into the film's themes of everything not being clear cut black and white, as presented by the Canto Bight sequence.

Speaking of, the Canto Bight scene was actually one of my favourites in the movie. Yes it's a bit slow at times, but it is so important in referencing the themes of the movie. Rose's "fight for what we love, not what we hate" spiel at the end is justified by the release of the animals here. Kindness over cruelty.

People have been comparing things to ' 'The Empire Strikes Back' ' forever, but this is the first film that really deserves he comparison. It may be divisive now, but someday it will be seen as something truly special.

This film is amazing, and if you don't agree...well, you're not wrong, but I would suggest you reevaluate ' 'why' ' you say you don't like it.

12/19/2017 00:00:00

If you didn't like The Last Jedi, you're wrong. Okay not really.

That's still the message one gets from the review. I'm not a fan of Star Wars and even I see the misshaps of the movie, as a movie (since the title says fans don't know how movies work).

It's the exact. same. thing.

No it's not. One's the 3rd film, with a character and side that was shown very sparingly and another was the 8th one on the opposite situation.

Yeah, the film is showing that anyone can be a Jedi

The problem with that bait and switch is that in turn, it makes a lot of scenes and lines from TFA stupid, weird and baseless. Things people gave a pass because they would make sense only if one assumed she wasn't an unrelated nobody.

What's green and has wheels? Grass, I lied about the wheels.

Who Snoke actually was, didn't really matter

That's...just creating a smokescreen. Of course it matters, you can't just say it doesn't because it would be inconveninent to your argument. The Sith were wiped out, both master and aprentice taken out. Introducing Snoke, a new sith lord master and leader of the new empire. Saying he doesn't matter propagates the future of the series as "stuff just happened and now we're here again, shut up".

12/19/2017 00:00:00

You are correct in that the Star Wars fandom are a bunch of muppets.

12/24/2017 00:00:00

This review isn\'t necessarily wrong about the movie, but it\'s a bit too dismissive of people who don\'t like it. Reviews are meant to provide a judgment on the quality of a work (ideally more to help readers decide whether it\'s worth their than as an expression of the reviewer\'s opinion), not to comment on the people who disagree.

Part of the problem is that when the review talks about the movie, a lot of it is either generic statements about the quality (third paragraph), or overly specific, if not spoileriffic comments about specific scenes without much context (particularly bringing up Canto Bight, and spoiling the fact that Kylo Ren kills Snoke). I can\'t imagine many people who are considering viewing the movie getting many valuable insights from either- only plot spoilers from the latter.

Perhaps some viewers may not have good reasons for disliking TLJ, but this review is not a very compelling argument in favor of the movie, and I say that as someone who liked TLJ.

12/24/2017 00:00:00

It\'s an attempt to deconstruct and subvert what made the original trilogy work in order to \"play with\" audience expectations and bring it into the new, far more cynical current generation.

It ain\'t that deep, dude.

But for what it\'s worth - still didn\'t make me like it. I like my subversions when it\'s clear the writer loves the material s/he\'s playing with, such as Edgar Wright or even Mel Brooks and Blazing Saddles. It\'s incredibly hard for even super-talented people to throw in a deconstruction right in the middle of a story and make it work and this one fell flat.

01/14/2018 00:00:00

You're absolutely correct that the fandom backlash against this film is absolutely moronic, a bunch of entitled crybaby manchildren (and womenchildren, let's be fair) upset that they didn't get what exactly what they wanted. This is what's wrong with modern fandoms; they evaluate things based not on their quality but on whether or not they're what they would have done if they were writing it. Seriously, there are (incredibly stupid) people decrying this film as the worst movie of 2017. Maybe you don't AGREE with this movie, but it's not even bad, let along "the worst". Flawed, maybe, but calling it an outright terrible film only shows one thing: that the person decrying it doesn't know anything about films.

01/14/2018 00:00:00

The people who call The Last Jedi the \"worst movie of 2017\" or whatnot are the same as the prequel haters, the Ewok haters, and the ones who disliked The Empire Strikes Back...i.e. gatekeepers who claim that they and they alone know what is best for everyone and so claim Star Wars isn\'t for kids, Star Wars aren\'t B-Movie pulp, and so on and so forth. The problem is that this mentality is common even among the people who like it, who claim that somehow they and they alone see the truth about this film, and somehow this means that they have the true light and so on.

People have been comparing things to \' \'The Empire Strikes Back\' \' forever, but this is the first film that really deserves he comparison. It may be divisive now, but someday it will be seen as something truly special.

The Last Jedi isn\'t similar to The Empire Strikes Back at all.

Lucas during pre-production of Empire compared it to The Exorcist because he wanted the film to be a Genre Shift to Horror, and have horror elements (you have the Wampa Attack, the Asteroid Worm, the Dagobah Swamp intro, the Carbonite Room, and Vader attack), whereas there aren\'t really any scary elements in this film. And indeed despite the fact that the Resistance keep dying in the hundreds as Red Shirt, the film still plays their triumph at the end as a great moment. EMPIRE is smaller in scale to A New Hope which was a big war movie in space. THE LAST JEDI is an even bigger war movie than Force Awakens. It\'s basically The Siege in Space.

More importantly, the Empire is about defeat and setbacks and loss. The heroes lose one of their friends in captivity, The Hero gets his arm chopped off and so on. No such personal defeat and loss happens in this film to any of the main characters. And indeed, overall, the Last Jedi has characters start and end the film in the same way.

And you know, in Force Awakens, Finn the Ex-Stormtrooper was established as the male lead...he had most of the screentime in that film and had more lines than Rey did, and in the sequel he gets Demoted to Extra. So not proper use of ensemble cast, which Empire avoided by limiting the scope so that Han, Leia, and Luke, all had moments to shine.

01/17/2018 00:00:00

The backlash comes in many forms and it would be wise not to generalize those who do not like it. If experience was anything to go by, the generalizing the people who hate this film will only harden their beliefs that this film is a bad Star Wars film.

01/17/2018 00:00:00

The backlash comes in many forms and it would be wise not to generalize those who do not like it. If experience was anything to go by, the generalizing the people who hate this film will only harden their beliefs that this film is a bad Star Wars film.


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