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Mariofan99 Since: Jun, 2021
Jun 6th 2021 at 5:26:31 PM •••

Do you think we should make a section or even subpage on base breaking characters?

Pheonix, Apollo, Trucy, Athena, Kristoph, Larry, Wendy, Maya and basically every prosecutor minus Simon and Edgeworth

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MayIncon Since: Jan, 2014
Jun 6th 2021 at 6:56:30 PM •••

Is it that extensive

Get Out of Our Home.
Mariofan99 Since: Jun, 2021
Jun 8th 2021 at 11:24:08 AM •••

I'd say so. if you consider all the base breakings mentioned on indiviudal pages and ones that i KNOW are base brekaing yet not listed

NNinja Since: Sep, 2015
Jul 4th 2017 at 1:53:30 AM •••

  • Ship Mates: People who prefer Phoenix/Maya over Phoenix/Edgeworth often pair Edgeworth with Gumshoe instead.
Don't think that's true. As far as i can tell Dick is routinely paired up with Maggey and people's shipping preferences are generally all over the place, it's hard to pinpoint any proup of pairings specific to group of people. Also entry said "Phoenix/Maya over Phoenix/Edgeworth" as if this were only two popular pairings involving Phoenix which is not true as Phoenix/Iris also has plenty of fans.

NNinja Since: Sep, 2015
May 9th 2016 at 9:21:23 AM •••

  • Critical Research Failure: Three words: Statute of Limitations. It's used as a major plot point in several instances and always incorrectly. It's a pretty glaring error given that the statute of limitations is used to galvanize a character who is also an attorney and should know that it's not the statute that's the problem.
    • In Case 1-4, the statute of limitations has no bearing on DL-6, as Yogi was put on trial and found not guilty by reason of temporary insanity. The case is not "unsolved," but an instance of "I don't believe the resolution," which is an entirely different problem. In order to establish that someone else killed Gregory Edgeworth, Yogi's conviction would have to be vacated and a new defendant put on trial. In other words, there were no limits to DL-6 aside from the three day maximum.
    • In Case 1-5, SL-9 repeats the above and speeds up the death penalty process, while most nations exempt murder from the statute of limitations. Overturning a conviction is a lengthy, painful, expensive, and incredibly difficult process — ask The Innocence Project — and, in the United States, innocence alone is not sufficient grounds for an appeal, meaning a confession from a newly-discovered guilty party won't save the wrongfully convicted.
    • This also extends beyond statute of limitations, as the game is very frivolous towards false accusations and contempt of court. While discrediting a testimony against your client is a fundamental requirement of the game, Phoenix/Apollo has a habit of instigating an entire Courtroom Antic, sometimes with an Empty Cop Threat; often they drag out some form of Wrongful Accusation Insurance (e.g. a witness giving lying to build a false alibi, when they were really doing something questionable or illegal elsewhere), but characters never get reprimanded for making accusations of murder and major crimes at witnesses to get the truth from them.
    • The concept of "perjury" appears to be lost on the Ace Attorney universe. With only a handful of exceptions, lying (oftentimes repeatedly) while under oath seemingly carries no punishment beyond the judge shaking his head disappointedly at you.
    • The prosecution almost never bears the burden of proof nor is establishing reasonable doubt enough to earn an acquittal. The prosecution will almost always demand that the defense explain every detail of the crime and have hard evidence to back up their claims. Meanwhile, watch as the court accepts all of the prosecution's theories, despite the fact they are often flimsy and full of conjecture.
All of this imight be true, but in terms of this specific trope there is a huge problem. How many casual players know enough about japaneese law and court system to notice how much the game strays from reality? I don't know details of Statute of Limitations in my own country, let alone foreign one, i don't think there are that many players who'd notice, and smaller instances go under Artistic Licence or in this case Hollywood Law.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
May 9th 2016 at 9:46:12 AM •••

Yeah, that needs to go. The laws are obviously very different in the games than the real world. That's like "Critical Research Failure: Human beings can't cast fireballs" showing up in a Final Fantasy page.

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NNinja Since: Sep, 2015
Sep 4th 2016 at 4:18:05 AM •••

That's... uhhh... not quite what i've said but yeah, that too.

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