Discussion Wrestling / MichaelCole

Absolutely. The reason for it being locked before was confusion over YMMV tropes as well as a refusal to move them rather than just delete them. Since then those issues should well have been resolved.

See below, I tried before and Fighteer flatly refused and said the page should be red linked.

I've added some stuff in the Character page for WWE commentators since he's listed there including his Heel–Face Turn, less of a hassle, might as well add Mean Character, Nice Actor.

I hope the mods will open the page for him, they did for Cena, as the edit war that was didn't continue over there, and might not happen for this page either now that he has turned face, and are more neutral in his commentating.

It's never going to happen, far as I understand. The mods even had to be convinced to not redlink it based on earlier edit requests. Still you could appeal to have the page unlocked.

I don't think it ever will be, as I suggested several positive edits (such as Mean Character, Nice Actor) and was turned down cold. Given the hatred the site staff have for the page I even suggested it be moved to the Permanent Redlink Club.

Actually, he's reverted to his Pre-TLC Heel persona. It's a pretty drastic change he's gone through over the past few months, isn't it?

Should add easily forgiven as a sub trope considering the King accepted his apology the next night on Raw.

Not quite, whil King did accept it, he continued to humiliate him the rest of the night and it continued to the next Smackdown. I say yeah.

If it were John Cena I'd have already requested it. King...yeah, with his world champion shots this would qualify. Discuss it here.

Perhaps we should add his snapping on Jack Swagger as this. Because Jack was literally his Dragon and it backfired majorly.

There's half a dozen tropes that would fit at the moment, from Growing the Beard to Seven-Year Rule to Big Bad. Fighter however hates the page, he'd love to add it to the permanent redlink group, and there'd been a recent edit made. I say let's wait until after Wrestle Mania, then we can add Austin's or maybe John Cena's Face–Heel Turn or whatever transpires in one neat little package.

I realize that it's under Fridge Brilliance and Author Avatar, but I think it'd also be a good idea to put Expy under there, since WWE's obviously trying to turn Cole into the next Mr. Mc Mahon character, no matter how bad it's failing.

However, I think that his reaction to Jerry defeating Jack Swagger defiantly counts as a Villainous Breakdown. He pretty much goes from a Smug Snake straight to dumbstruck shock (though that might be more like a Villainous BSoD) to blowing up on Jack Swagger, at the moment his only supporter, and slapping him (which comes back to hunt him severely).

At the very least, the moment should go under Oh, Crap!, as his face in both the realization Jack lost and that Jack, who he just infuriated, is going to be his tag partner in the match are very good examples of Oh, Crap!.

I agree. There's also some arguments and a link in favour of Cole, but the page still seems like a one-way argument.

I deleted majority of the bashing and added things like "Your Mileage May Vary" and the Picture caption to show that he is still divisive figure. Hopefully this is a good middle ground.

Well, at least you're better then that guy on the Cena page who deletes the stuff without any comprising. I still don't like Cole though and wished that Edge speared him into next week.

Me? I don't know if any of this is directed at me but I'm just calling it as I see it. I see Cole as The Wesley because it does seem like the WWE are pushing him precisely because of the X-Pac Heat he has.

Remove the lock. NOW. He just beat up JR. He deserves everything the Fan Hate can deal out. At the very least, give him a damn Kick the Dog like he deserves.

There's something ironically hilarious about his page being locked. It's like the TV Tropes equivelant to the Cole Mine. Cole himself wouldn't have it any other way.

Yeah. We want to keep it neutral and warts & all, if Michael Cole lovers don't mind. Lying about moving subjective tropes was the last straw, thus the entries that were deleted were moved and the page locked.

You're the one who kept putting subjective tropes back in the main page when you weren't supposed to. Also, "lying"? I wasn't lying about moving subjective tropes, I was TELLING people to move them.

At any rate, the subjective tropes are where they belong. So the page and the matter are closed for now.

You couldn't move them to YMMV because...why, exactly?

Dude, just drop it already.

I'm just wondering why if it bothered you to the point where you deleted negative tropes from the YMMV page and lied about moving tropes from the main page why you couldn't have fixed it yourself? Why did someone else had to do it?

Because not everyone has all the time in the world to spend on their computer. And again, it was YOU who decided to keep shoving subjective tropes back on the main page, so don't talk to me about lying. I deleted and put in the edit notes which should be moved, I was not lying about moving them.

You couldn't take five seconds to move them to the YMMV page? I find that curious since you seem to have a vested interest in removing anything negative about Cole, even if it is on the YMMV page.

Because I have spent plenty of that other time trying to edit out other subjective tropes from other pages here on TV Tropes. Like I said, I don't get that much time on here, so I make do with the time I have.

I personally find it curious that you had a vested interest in stuffing subjective tropes back in when you're not supposed to. As well as you squatting on this page. Like I said, the issue is over now. Drop. It.

Look, um, clearly the fact the page is not a shrine to Cole upsets you. It's apparent to me that it bothers you if you see fit to continue this edit war on other pages. Would you like me to make a fan site for him? Would that make up for the page being locked enough for you?

It's apparent to me that you have a problem with objectivity. How about we put all the subjective tropes on the main page again so it can be as biased as possible. Would that make you happy?

I was talking about other pages such as trope lists and show pages. I have never said one way or the other that I am a fan or anti-fan of him. So nice of you to make baseless assumptions. You're not supposed to put subjective tropes on the main page. It's the same thing with all the other pages on TV Tropes, some of which I've already edited.

I've done the same thing with other pages, but because I hurt your street cred by taking off the subjective tropes you insisted belong on this page, despite the YMMV edict, that means I want the page to be a shrine? Get over yourself.

Now, for the last time, just drop it. This isn't going anywhere.

Part of the problem lay in initially having difficulty understanding the new YMMV guidelines, so I'm sorry if that offends you. I'm also sorry if for some reason you are offended by the notion that subjctive tropes are to be moved, not deleted. Doing so is just as bad as leaving them on the main page, if not worse.

For the record, I have been on a rampage against subjective tropes on the main page. If you care to look I have also been discussing which tropes would go on Cole's page.

If you can find it post it here. If it's not too much of a Take That! on Cole then we'd be happy to have it up.

Edit: Found what you were talking about. It's funny, and it shows Cole's character well. However I think this would be more befitting a Crowning Moment Of AwesomeCrowning Moment O Funny entry for Dwayne Johnson.

Deleted Dethroning Moment of Suck and the Wesley. Come on, where's the YMMV page?

Wild Mass Guessing is that Cole is Vince Mcmahon's Author Avatar, thus he is being pushed as a heel. If fans hate the egotism, the Daniel Bryan bashing, then Cole will be flanderizd into that role. Thus, WWE are shilling heel Cole because the fans hate him.

Which still belongs on a YMMV page, because it's a subjective trope.

Cole, I know you might be upset about some of the tropes about you. I understand that you may feel offended about the way your character is portrayed, or that the WWE universe is not throwing themselves at your feet because of how brilliant, how inspired, how utterly groundbreaking your current angle is. However there are some aspects of your gimmick that not only spring forth tropes that are seemingly negative, not everybody is going to enjoy your act. Now we have shifted some of the tropes about you to YMMV, but please Cole. For the sake of this wiki this is not a fan page. It's an honest and accurate portrayal of what we see on TV.

Read the guidlines again, dude. It doesn't matter if that's how his "character" is. This is supposed to be a neutral page. That's why there are YMMV pages.

1. There's zero tolerance on editing other people's posts. Absolutely zilch. Zip. None. It's pretty much an autoban.

2. ''There are certain characters who receive a lot of hatred from the majority of the fanbase for one reason or another. Most often, when their creators pick up on the hate, it's either ignored, results in the character being changed for the better, or sometimes, played into. There are times, however, when it becomes obvious that at least one writer has become attached to a hated character, writing them into more and more scenes, giving them more — and more important — things to do, having the other characters rave about how awesome they are and sometimes even making them the proxy voice of the author, all while blissfully ignoring the fact that the fans absolutely goddamned hate this character.''

This seems rather accurate for Cole.

3. I've taken the issue to Ask The Tropers, the issue can be resolved there.

Don't edit each other's posts, and The Wesley does not belong on the main page no matter how appropriate you think it is. Subjective tropes go on the YMMV page and The Wesley is YMMV.

Yes, thank you, we know now. All subjective tropes have been moved, and will be moved if any are posted in the future, thanks.