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Well she wasn't really a target. You kinda just murdered an innocent, non-abusive teacher in front of them...

Go back to assassin school, you get an "F-" in Reconnaissance.

Seriously, observe Grelod's behavior versus the other lady's. The difference between them is crystal clear.

Looking at this years back, I finally realized what I did was wrong and simply my stupid mistake. Note to myself: Never play video games under the effects of alcohol.

Foreign Cuss Word?

I was initially leaning towards Getting Crap Past the Radar or something like that.

This is late, but...

They basically want to kill EVERYONE in Markarth. The feeling I got from talking with the King In Rags is that he wouldn't even want to stop there, if he had the manpower. Though maybe "genocidal" isn't the right term. He's not out to kill any one people, just anyone in and around his territory, be they nord, redguard, elven, kajit, breton, or what have you.

Even in the game, Madanach's crew only went after the Silver-Bloods and their hired thugs whilst breaking out of Cidhna Mine. They're not genocidal racists, they're a resistance group slipping into motiveless banditry.

The Forsworn themselves all but outright say that they're going to kill as many Nords as they can while you're visiting in Cidnha Mine.

They're "stab first, ask questions never" rebels without a cause AT BEST, and bandits in throwback outfits by any lawful measure. The tribal culture they run on is horribly brutal and backwards, and if by some horror they 'won', the Aldmeri Dominion would briefly thank the Forsworn for clearing out Skyrim for them before marching in themselves.

I find it notable that you can't marry a hagraven.

You can have a one night stand with one but you can't make her an honest woman. Tsk Tsk.

uh you can marry the "lizard People" in game with out cheats its the bosmer that you cant marry along with khajits

I know this is late, but you can be an Argonian or Khajit and marry a human. I don't think the "bestiality" issue is why you can't marry any Argonians or Khajits – it's probably just because there are so few characters of those races in the game anyway.

You CAN marry an Argonian. My first-playthrough Dragonborn is happily hitched to Shahvee and has two adopted girls.

My 'sensible' guess is that there was only so much time to get all the recorded lines done.

My semi-WMG guess is that the gamedevs didn't want to attract a horde of crazy catgirl fans if they had an 'official' marriageable Khajit. Seriously.

You can't. Dragons do not spawn at all until you complete Dragon Rising. They won't even appear on the dragon roosts until you've finished that quest.

I have no idea where they're getting this crap from.

No. There's a popular theory that dragons are lesser et'ada, but I have no idea where the skeleton thing came from.

Not the religion; historically. They're pushed off into a ghetto where many of them develop their own racism and culture.

There's more parallels than that. For example: -They were lead out of their homeland by a prophet named Veloth, who led them on an exodus to the promised land of morrowind. (i.e. Moses) -They're homeland was destroyed, which created a huge diaspora of displaced dunmer. -As you mentioned, they now live in ghettos and face a great deal of discrimination.

There's a man with a staff to the right of the guy in the center that might be the hero from Arena. The staff doesn't look much like the Staff of Chaos from Arena but I don't see any other staffs there. And I don't see Red Mountain but I can see Akulakhan right above that to the left of the Oblivion gate.

It took a while to see, but I think Red Mountain is actually in the background between Akulakhan and the Oblivion symbol. You can see the straight lines marking the sides of the mountain, and then curled smoke rising from the top.

Yes it is.

To clarify, if you don't have all the three words of power of the Unrelenting Force shout yet (which you will get some time late in the main quest from one of the Greybeards), or if you use a weak version of the shout (by hitting the shout key quickly instead of holding it), you'll hear "FUSDAH". Use it at full power once you learn all the three words, and you hear "FUSSSSSS ROHDAHHHHHH!" This also applies to every shout.

The full Shout sounds more like Fuus... RODAH! Most Shouts, when you learn all three words tend to hold the first word a little longer, then pause, then Shout the last two words in quick succession.

Never found any Vampire Dust on their corpses and I am on my third playthrough with the Companions. Also they never use the vampire health drain ability (which Vampires often make liberal use of). Carrying vampire dust doesn't make one a vampire necessarily (Case and point, the player).

Lastly, there could be a simple In-Universe reason for them to carry vampire dust. It's one of the ingredients for "Cure Disease" and since some strains of Lycantropy, (like the ones from Daggerfall, and there's other references to Daggerfall-type Lycanthropy in the game like the re-appearance of Glenmoril witches and their ties to the cure) are communicable as a disease, them having liberal caches of the potion and its ingredients make sense.

They carry random alchemy ingredients that cure disease. One of these is Vampire Dust.

Plus it's not that far of a stretch to assume that The Silver Hand hunts vampires in addition to werewolves, which also explains why they have Vampire Dust. I once found Vampire Dust on a pile of ash in a locked cage in one of their strongholds, but even the implication of vampire prisoners is debatable since you don't actually see any locked up vampires as you do werewolves. Or, at least I never did.

Point being, the in-game evidence is vague at best and I don't think there's enough there to conclusively state that The Silver Hand is the vampire equivalent of The Companions. For that reason, it should be in WMG.

Plus it's not that far of a stretch to assume that The Silver Hand hunts vampires in addition to werewolves, which also explains why they have Vampire Dust. I once found Vampire Dust on a pile of ash in a locked cage in one of their strongholds, but even the implication of vampire prisoners is debatable since you don't actually see any locked up vampires as you do werewolves. Or, at least I never did.

Point being, the in-game evidence is vague at best and I don't think there's enough there to conclusively state that The Silver Hand is the vampire equivalent of The Companions. For that reason, it should be in WMG.

You cannot contract sanguinare vampiris (the Skyrim version of porphyric hemophilia, the disease that all vampires carry and can communicate to the PC, which turns them into a vampire) from Silver Hand members. Moreover, silver hand members can be encountered outdoors in daytime and are not significantly weaker than they would be at night or indoors. From that, it can be safely assumed silver hand members aren't vampires.

Also, they show up if you use detect life. Vampires don't.

Is there really any difference? The PC is both a player and the hero.

It's the difference between it being directed at the player and being directed at the player's character. It's a fourth wall thing.

Probably because if you actually pay close attention, he's SUPPOSED to be dead and the fact that the World-Eater is alive is supposed to be a surprise... but if you don't read any books or listen to random people, then it's no big deal. It's just "oh, another dragon. Okay, when can I kill it?"

Though the surprise was already ruined for everyone who uses subtitles.

Wow, I was tired when I wrote that, no wonder it doesn't make sense.

What I meant was that under Anthropomorphic Personification it says that the skills are controlled by the constellations/ guardian nebula. I was under the impression this was a combination of astrology and finding constellations like the ancient Greeks did, but this is Tamriel, so they could be actual Anthropomorphic Personifications. Any info one way or another?

Nope, they're little holes through oblivion that seep magic into the world of mortals.

"Stop that! I will not be violated by some...half-Septim magician!"

How could the Dwemer fit under Author Existence Failure? They didn't create the universe, they just (probably) tried to recreate themselves and winked out of existence. Might qualify but I'd hesitate to include it.

The Redguards? Well I can't say for sure that they were moors (if anything their culture seems more Arabic/Persian to me). But they were from a lost continent, Yokuda. And it was destroyed (in fact the Redguards hold themselves responsible). And since all other humans came from Atmora in the north and not Yokuda in the west, they are different from the other races of men (even though they are still considered man). http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Redguard Happy studying and do keep your temper in check.

"Formed jointly" at the end of a sword. The bosmer were basically conquered by the Thalmor. There's a good reason it's called the Aldmeri Dominion.

I don't know if it is clear that the 4th Era Aldmeri dominion is the result of the Altmer (under Thalmor leadership) conquering the Bosmer (I don't think there is any question that the earlier Aldmeri Dominion conquered the Bosmer, but it fell long before the events of Skyrim).

I looked briefly through some of the lore and couldn't find anything. The name does not indicate anything. The Aldmeri dominion is not named for the High Elves (Altmer), but for the First/Elder Folk (Aldmer), from whom all "Mer" are descended. Granted, the Altmer are the descendants most similar to the Aldmer, but a union of all "Mer" people could reasonably be termed the Aldmeri Dominion whether formed by Altmer, Bosmer, or Dunmer.

According to the elder scrolls wiki, the Thalmor gained power during and after the oblivion crisis. The timeline for when exactly the seceded is unclear, but several years after they did, sympathizers in Valenwood overthrew the ruling Imperial administration, sparking a small war between the Dominion and its bosmer allies and the Empire and its bosmer allies. The Dominion itself existed before allying with Valenwood, it purged all resistance in Valenwood, and given what we know about hidden agents, its not unreasonable to think that it created the sympathizers. Additionally, there are no non-Altmer thalmor in skyrim as anything other than servants, and the seat of power was always in Summerset.

(I was referring to the Dominion part of Aldmeri Dominion, not the Aldmeri part.)

The original Aldmeri dominion was a joint alliance by the Bosmer and Altmer, so this may be where the confusion is coming from.

Is there any evidence that the Thalmor created the sympathizers in Valenwood or is that purely speculation on your part? While it seems clear that the Dominion started in Summerset, is there any reason to think that many Bosmer would not want to overthrow the Imperial control of Valenwood (i.e., the Imperial Dominion over mer and beast races)? There is a long history of dislike/distrust of Imperial domination (by those in Valenwood as well as many other parts of the Empire). It seems much more likely to me that many Bosmer in Valenwood would prefer to be allied with the Altmer than be a colony of the Empire, although I'm sure some in Valenwood would have preferred to remain allied with the Empire (just as some Nords prefer that).

Also, even if all those in Valenwood loved their Imperial overlords and wanted them to remain in control, that doesn't address the question of whether there's any evidence that the Bosmer are slaves/indentured servants of the Altmer. I have seen no evidence of that. That would show that Valenwood (and, presumably, Elsweyr) is essentially a colony of the Altmer, like it was a colony of Cyrodil before the Imperials were run out, not that they are slaves of the Altmer.

Is there good evidence that the Bosmer were enslaved by the Altmer, as the Elder Scrolls V Skyrim page claims? If not, shouldn't the page be changed?

related Qs: the same paragraph on the page says re all Altmer: "Also, if you kill one of their kind, just one, even if he just tried to destroy the world, they'll put out a hit out on you." This is not true. You can kill Altmer who are not members of the Thalmor without any greater consequences than killing any other NPC. You can sometimes even kill Thalmor without triggering an Order of Execution. I've killed many and don't have an order against me. (Quote from UESP Wiki: The Thalmor may write an Order of Execution for the player if you act against them (though the exact trigger is unknown).) That sentence about the Altmer/Thalmor should be changed as well.

Later in the page, it says "The High Elves have formed their own Empire and aim for nothing less than conquering all of Tamriel and enslaving everyone else (they've already done so with the Khajiit)." Is there any evidence that the Altmer conquered the Khajiit? Is there any evidence that they've enslaved the Khajiit?

No there is not. What's supposed to have happened is the two moons, which the Khajiit consider very important, just disappeared. They came back later and the Aldmeri Dominion claimed responsibility for bringing them back and the Khajiit willingly joined.

It was replaced by Death by Genre Savviness, which seems a more fitting trope.

Read "The Monomyth" and "Varieties of Faith in the Empire" Found in Morrowind. Akatosh / Auriel is one of two gods all religions on Tamriel (the other is Lorkhan)

Yeah, but the entry states that the Cyrodylic idea of Akatosh resulted from mixing the ideas of Alduin and Auriel, and those books say no such thing.

There's also "Alduin is Real" and I think there's one along the lines of "The Alduin/Akatosh Dichotomy". The second one supports the that viewpoint, while the first says they're different entities.

As I asked above, is there any evidence beyond in-universe books stating that worship of Akatosh came from mixing Nordic Alduin and Mer Auriel? Because those books are notorious for being only partially reliable. When Alduin himself declares that he is the firstborn of Akatosh, and does so right before a battle in the tone of voice one would use when boasting rather than trying to downplay themselves, it seems pretty clear what the truth is. Paarthurnax told us the same thing independently, and while he's not exactly impartial, he's still a good alternate source of information.

To ask this more simply, is there any reason to doubt the stated words of people who would know the truth, if the only opposing evidence is from books that are notoriously unreliable?

No, but a) the unreliability varies, b) it isn't so opposing as it seems. Firstborn does not necessarily mean son, not when the series has a precedent of complicated relations between avatars, mirror-twins and the like (indeed, one of MK's - and therefore of non-canon but not-quite-so-non-canon status - new texts refers to Alduin as aspect Ald to Aka-Tusk (implied to be Akatosh in a similar manner to Alkosh being Akatosh) and "Do not forget that it was Heaven itself that shed you from me").

As for which book is the source, Shezarr and the Divines is a source for the Eight Divines, as a whole, being a "well-researched synthesis of both pantheons, Nordic and Aldmeri", but its reliability can be argued against by the fact that it refers to the Aldmeri Dragon God of time as Akatosh. It seems the other source is... Kirkbridge, back when he was at Bethesda and not just a freelancer writing lore for Bethesda - it is from a longer version Where were you when the Dragon Broke that adds an intro that explains what the heck Corax was referring to he when spoke of the Selectives dancing on that tower, explaining the Middle Dawn as coming from an attempt by a group of religious radicals to remove those aspects of Imperial Akatosh (the Cyrodiilic idea of Akatosh, if not necessarily Borhamu/the Dragon idea of Akatosh) that indisputably was the Elven Auri-El.

Yeah they do go there.

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Although it is late, they should probably not go on Skyrim's main page if they have been shared with more than other game in the series. Certainly, the ones that have been around since Daggerfall would fit better with the dedicated Tropes page for In-Game Elder Scrolls Books.

Necromage boosts the damage that Destruction spells do to undead, but it doesn't affect Illusion spells or the paralyzing Alteration spells. And of course, it affects the Turn Undead spells in the Restoration tree.

In this particular quest, Bitch in Sheep's Clothing is subjective. Personally, I think that she was lying and that she did do what she was being accused of, but it's important to remember that the information that's used against her on the talk pages of the elder scroll wikis are fan speculation because the game never tells you what the "correct" choice is. It is up to the player to decide who is telling the truth and, for all we know, she was innocent all along and the other guy is just very good at manipulating others.

In this particular quest, Bitch in Sheep's Clothing is subjective. Personally, I think that she was lying and that she did do what she was being accused of, but it's important to remember that the information that's used against her on the talk pages of the elder scroll wikis are fan speculation because the game never tells you what the "correct" choice is. It is up to the player to decide who is telling the truth and, for all we know, she was innocent all along and the other guy is just very good at manipulating others.

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I came here to ask the same question when I noticed some trope entries calling Alduin the "northern aspect of Akatosh". The only book I found which described him as such was one that did so due to lacking evidence of Alduin being a separate entity from Akatosh, and that book was obviously written before the dragons returned. We have more than enough evidence to conclude that Alduin and Akatosh are not one and the same at all, so the entries should be changed.

If you have general subs off, it doesn't say anything so spoiler it.

If you look at him when he's close it still says Alduin in the hover text.

If you look at him when he's close it still says Alduin in the hover text.

I always took "child king" to mean that he wasn't officially a man in nord culture. Maybe you need to kill a bear before they stop calling you boy.

You can actually meet him in sovengarde and he's no kid.

All the character gender/race combinations have seperate voice files for their vocalisations.

Yes, I know that after watching the video. But that's not the question I was asking. I wanted to know if a Nord make makes the same shout Dovakiin does in the trailer?

As far as I can see, even the Nords say "Fuus... RO-DAH!"

Which annoys me. But I don't have a Nord character.