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Apr 30th 2017 at 11:48:52 AM •••

Ok, so what about his reactions? Trailing off like that conveys no information. Is he shown to react negatively to the extortion? If so, then isn't that a subversion of the trope?

Jun 14th 2015 at 6:31:16 PM •••

Wait, so Boo's first name is Carrie?

As in, Carrie Black?

Feb 26th 2015 at 3:24:30 PM •••


  • Good Adultery, Bad Adultery: Piper hits the obligatory "good adultery" buttons to a mind-boggling extent; she's the protagonist cheating with a woman in order to create the show's veritable One True Pairing with Alex, and she's cheating on Larry because she's lonely and going through a rough spot with him. Her helping Alex cheat on the latter's current girlfriend is painted as romantic and even erotic on the show due to it being part of Piper's identification as a bisexual— In fact, Piper doesn't even seem to care that Alex has a girlfriend since she didn't view them as "soul mates." In a sharp contrast, Larry has the "bad adultery" for sleeping with Polly despite the fact that he and Piper weren't even together anymore and both he and Polly fulfill the "lonely" aspect of good adultery; It's supposed to be a good thing that Piper enlists Neri to leave a burning bag of dog feces on Polly's doorstep. Who cares that Piper isn't the one who's suffering as a result of the affair? Though this might be a case of Protagonist-Centered Morality, where the audience is expected to support Piper despite her blatant hypocrisy, which was vivid due to the episode's juxtaposition of her cheating (again, portrayed in a romantic light) with Larry's."

This entry has a serious case of Portrayal Equals Endorsement. Piper is repeatedly portrayed and outright described as a self-centred manipulator who plays games with both Larry and Alex (neither of whom are saints either), and karma kicks her in the teeth for it. And who says that petty act of revenge was "supposed to be a good thing" or that "the audience is supposed to support Piper"?

I'm thinking that a rewrite might be possible that describes the ways the show plays with this trope without making such a zealous judgement that the show sides one way to "a mind-boggling extent". I'll work on it.

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Sep 7th 2014 at 6:12:48 PM •••

Is "yuppie" really the proper term to describe Piper's lifestyle before she's off to the Litch? Neither she or Larry were permanently employed in a professional-type job and both were living off of their parents' money. But it's a minuscule detail, so I don't know it it warrants scrutiny.

Aug 8th 2014 at 11:54:32 AM •••

It looks like someone is making a point of changing all references to "Crazy Eyes" to "Suzanne." Since the show primarily uses nicknames in place of given names, isn't this just inviting confusion for casual viewers?

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Aug 8th 2014 at 11:57:42 AM •••

People on the show are in the wrong when they call her that though, and it's a big moment when she's upset and asks Piper why that's her nickname.

May 25th 2015 at 5:24:06 PM •••

But she's a fictional character, so we don't need to worry about offending her. Clarity for the readers is the priority.

Jun 27th 2015 at 12:11:07 AM •••

It seems like Season 3 has abandoned the "Crazy Eyes" moniker, so I guess "Suzanne" is more appropriate now.

Jul 11th 2014 at 9:08:39 AM •••

How does Piper Kerman's named being linked to No Celebrities Were Harmed make sense? She's not an Expy of anyone, this is a semi-autobiographical series.

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Jul 11th 2014 at 9:26:15 AM •••

No Celebrities Were Harmed and other tropes of the Expy superfamily are frequently misused. Ditch that entry.

Apr 18th 2014 at 5:34:54 PM •••

Should the Playing Gertrude example be removed? "Aleida is played by a 32 year old actress who mother to Daya who is in early twenties. Although given the kind of life she's led it's not impossible to think Aleida was a very young mother but 12, 13 is a bit of a stretch." First, the ways it's worded is terrible, and second, having a child at 13, while very young, is not the impossibility described by the trope.

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