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This is a long post, but I suggest reading everything. Basically, I don't think Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! needs to be on the page, because it reads like an Audience Reaction trying call the other characters out for not believing Twilight (which is unnecessary since the show does it already), while at the same time not really being an example of the trope itself.
Also, there's apparently conflict over whether or not the others are totally unjustified or not, but all I really care about is this entry. If no one can make a consensus, it needs to be deleted, because not every trope needs to be listed if it can't be applied properly. I also want to know if we need to remove all instances of bias for or against Twilight or the other characters regarding the former's accusations and their reaction to said accusations.
And the re-edit I made after it was added back read like this:
From what I understand, NJBIH requires for a hero to perform an action that causes the plot to go south, whether by ignorance (thought they were doing the right thing or following orders) or on purpose (made things worse because of pride or other personal feelings).
The other ponies ignoring Twilight's accusations don't strike me as counting for this: Chrysalis's plans were already set in motion before any of the Mane Six got there; all the others did was allow her to get away with it for a while longer. Now, they may have been remiss in not straight up believing their trusted friend, but they had several reasons (not excuses, actual reasons; some of which were given by Shining Armor — who, despite him being under mind control at that point, was being reasonable in his angry rant — in the previous episode) not to believe her this time, and any reasonable person in their shoes would probably side with them over Twilight. Keep in mind that the only real hints Twilight had to Cadence not being herself (or evil) was Cadence seemingly not knowing who Twilight was and then witnessing Cadence do something to Armor later. The rest of the cues were for the audience's benefit (remember, the intended audience is still kids).
The ponies not believing Twilight didn't do anything as far as making things worse, since Chrysalis had caught on to Twilight already by that point. In fact, they ended up helping the villain fix everything by becoming arrogant enough to try to actually get rid of Twilight (who, being already aware that Twilight was suspicious of her, was more than likely going to do this anyway even if Twilight didn't cause everyone to leave her alone) and leading her to the real Cadence. "Stopping an evil plot sooner than anticipated" isn't what this trope means, and it's also not a hypothetical "well if this didn't happen, then this could have happened". The only way for the trope to apply was if Chrysalis's plan was going to fail then and there had everyone not believe Twilight.
The show itself also goes out of its way to show why everyone else would have trouble believing Twilight, who's usually much better about this sort of thing. Now remember to assume that the other Manes A) don't know Cadence personally, but B) knows that Twilight is very protective of her brother. Also keep in mind that Twilight was trying to accuse Cadence of being evil, rather than being a fraud, which is a more plausible accusation.
The rest of this is either mentioned straight out in the episode or heavily implied:
Now, I can't really think of too many reasons that shows the others are unjustified in their disbelief of Twilight's behavior, except one:
However, everything else happens reasonably, as far as the episode is concerned.
To summarize my purpose, I just need a consensus on whether or not we can keep the Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! entry, as well as whether or not we need to edit out obvious bias for or against the other characters' behavior towards Twilight.
My take on it is that it doesn't apply. Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! is when the protagonist's actions make things worse than they would have been than if they hadn't acted at all. In this case for it to qualify, The cast's actions would have had to have inadvertently furthered Chrysalis' scheme somehow. And simply put, I don't think they do. At worst, their failure to believe Twilight simply allows Chrysalis' plan to proceed unimpeded, just as it would have if they hadn't done anything.
TL;DR whatever you think about Twilight's friends actions (I'm not going to touch that argument), I think it's fairly self-evident that whether or not they were being insensitive or whatever, their failure to believe Twilight didn't make the situation worse than it already was. As such the trope doesn't apply.
I second this. Twilight getting sent to the mines and the subsequent invasion were not the direct result of any action taken by the mane cast. One could argue that Twilight accusing fake!Cadence directly resulted in her imprisonment, but that doesn't fit the trope either, since the trope is more about accidentally empowering or enabling some malevolent force rather than just walking into the villain's trap.
Alright, I edited out Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! and went through both parts of the two-parter to make it more neutral/get rid of unnecessary bias and Justifying Edits. What any one troper thinks of Twilight's actions or her friends is irrelevant on the main page.
The story not contradicts any forgiveness moral neither said forgiveness contradicts the moral of the episode.
I agree. At least with Celestia, the stuff she said can be made to contradict what she and Twilight did and that was the moral that the episode gives according to the wikia, since its lumped together with the letters.
I removed the Forgot I Could Fly entry. Twilight uses her teleportation and Cadance uses her wings. Additional discussion on the page would have turned into a debate about the limits of Twilight's teleportation, which should be addressed elsewhere.
That's the part I removed. Since both of them used the abilities mentioned, it didn't really fit.
Removed the following as Square Peg, Round Trope:
The debatable point (I don't agree, for one) that we should have heard about them would not make this Giant Space Flea from Nowhere even if it were completely uncontestable. The episodes are about the Changelings from the start, even if they're only an unknown threat at first. It would be GSFFN if they didn't appear at all fist and then appeared with little or no explanation right at the end. Or if a dragon appeared for no reason at the end of this story with Changelings. You know, that sort of thing. This is just a regular Monster of the Week plot.
Can the spoiler tags on the page be removed? Not only has it been more than a week since the episode aired (and those avoiding it will likely be avoiding MLP:FIM's TV Tropes pages anyway), the spoilers are there in the recap as well. It's odd reading about Chrysalis and her changeling army then seeing it all covered in the tropes list.
Is there a specific trope for when Chrysalis quips "You do know the reception has been canceled, don't you?" when the Mane Six are brought to her after they've been captured? I haven't seen anything that's a perfect fit on the One-Liner index.
I'd say Crowning Moment Of Funny?
What's the best trope for the moment where Shining Armor and Cadence begin to activate their spell and Cadence's injuries and tattered hair are restored to health?
It kind of reminds me of Mega Man X recharging his health out of nowhere in his debut game, which would be 11th-Hour Superpower. However that doesn't seem like it would apply here since Cadance's health isn't all that integral to the spell. Probably just chalk it up to The Power of Love... again.
Why is everyone hating on Luna for not being in the episode and/or fighting against the Changelings?
I don't think people are hating on her, I think they're more angry at Studio B for not giving Luna more presence in the finale. I had just assumed she was nocturnal, and naturally wouldn't be awake for the battle. But of course Luna is one of the biggest darkhorses in the fandom, so if she's not in a scene where she could conceivably be, there will be fans complaining.
Luna would have been a Plot Breaker if she'd been there. Celestia vs. Chrysalis: FIGHT! KO! Chrysalis wins! A NEW CHALLENGER HAS ARRIVED! Chrysalis vs. Luna: FIGHT! KO! Luna wins!
Wedding goes on, end of episode. Time elapsed - two minutes.
Luna also would've been PISSED, because she was, in her last major appearance, still stinging at feeling unloved by the ponies of Equestria. To see Chrysalis acting like love is nothing more than a source of sustenance, otherwise worth mockery? It would have been ON.
I personally think they were pissed at more of the fact that they played the scene for laughs and it caused this weird Mood Whiplash where they just made the Changeling attack so dramatic, and thus Luna's scene left a bad taste in people's mouths.
bronycurious has a theory of why luna doesn't show up
minute 28 onwards
epileptic trees, maybe?
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How well does it match the trope?