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Feb 14th 2012 at 6:27:41 AM •••

It's a good thing that they didn't explicitly keep the same family relations from previous generations, or it'd be Scootaloo's sister with Apple Bloom's brother, which may have given more pause to the whole scheme, and the episode might've never "gone anywhere".

Feb 13th 2012 at 6:47:34 AM •••

I'm not sure the Dogged Nice Girl entry is a good fit for either the episode or Cheerilee. The trope is specifically about a character who's in love with another character and keeps trying to win their love. There's no denying Cheerilee isn't happy about being single (or at least being asked about it), but doesn't Christmas Cake cover that better? Or have I missed something?

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Feb 13th 2012 at 8:27:26 AM •••

You're right, Dogged Nice Girl doesn't apply here because Cheerilee has no evident love interest before the CMC decide to set her up. She may be interested in Big Mac by the end, but she also lacks the persistent and repeated attempts associated with the trope. Old Maid would fit the CMC's reaction towards Cheerilee, probably a bit more than Christmas Cake since this is a Western show and all.

Feb 12th 2012 at 6:19:18 PM •••

[copied to an existing thread]

Edited by lisamariefan
Feb 12th 2012 at 5:51:45 PM •••

Okay, is there a trope for when the lyrics of a given song and the animation that goes with it don't line up? I mean, when they're hopping up the bales of hay, they've got great smiles and grins on their faces, but the lyrics to go with:

Sweetie Belle: I really feel that at this rate
We'll never find the perfect date

Much more downbeat.

I'd put it as Lyrical Dissonance, but that seems to be strictly for when the lyrics don't match the backing music, and has nothing to do with visuals.

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Feb 13th 2012 at 8:10:55 AM •••

Who's to say it isn't Lyrical Dissonance? The music is still upbeat at that point. Though if you're just considering lyrics and animation, perhaps Soundtrack Dissonance would fit.

Feb 11th 2012 at 4:18:50 PM •••

The name of the episode and the holiday seems to be a reference to the way that people bury famous racehorses: only the head, heart and hooves are buried. (It also references 4H clubs.) I don't think that it's a coincidence that there's a funeral service on screen in this episode, either. Given the origin of St. Valentine's Day for us (horrific execution and martyring -> buy chocolates for sweetie over the course of centuries) that'd be very clever on the part of the writer.

I'm not sure how to incorporate this information into the article. What tropes related to episode names fit? Is this fridge brilliance?

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Feb 11th 2012 at 8:40:09 PM •••

There are lots of Title Tropes, but I'm not exactly sure which ones would apply to this knowledge. Perhaps Double-Meaning Title? It kind of makes Scootaloo's Title Drop a little morbid because we've seen racehorses in "Sweet And Elite".

Feb 11th 2012 at 2:48:31 PM •••

Why were these put to YMMV?

  • Fandom Nod:
    • In overhead establishing shots of Ponyville (at start and during song), not only can popular pairing Bon-Bon and Lyra be seen together, but also Doctor Whooves and Derpy.
    • Debatable, since Bon-Bon is copy-pasted into at least one other place in that shot.
  • Take That!: This comic suggests that this episode is one to the rampant shipping in the fandom.

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Feb 11th 2012 at 3:36:33 PM •••

Because most viewers might not think like the rest of us, hence Your Mileage May Vary.

Feb 11th 2012 at 11:04:29 AM •••

So according to the love poison recipe, if the ponies under its spell don't look at each other's eyes for an hour, the spell is broken. ... Couldn't the CMC have waited until Cheerilee and Big Mac fell asleep? Or is insomnia a rather horrifying side effect of this potion?

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Feb 11th 2012 at 11:07:33 AM •••

In the state they were in, I don't think Cheerilee or Big Mac could fall asleep. I wouldn't call it insomnia though, just too pre-occupied.

Feb 11th 2012 at 12:13:27 PM •••

Well they weren't under the spell for all that long so I can't be sure, but assuming the original prince and princess were under the same spell, the royals must have been awake for weeks while the kingdom was doomed. That is certainly insomnia, albeit of an enchanted sort.

Feb 12th 2012 at 6:21:30 PM •••

So I've seen a few people say that the hour requirement makes the spell too easy to break, listing sleep as one of the means. Now being a troper, I just thought of something that may be Fridge Horror.

What if the poison has such a strong effect that it causes you to ignore important things like eating and sleeping? That is to say, what if the poison causes you to be so infatuated that there's the serious threat of dying from starvation/thirst or exhaustion?

Edited by lisamariefan
Feb 13th 2012 at 8:05:20 AM •••

Well we did see Cheerilee and Big Mac sharing a milkshake, though they were too busy being insufferable to do much with it. I think it can be inferred that the potion affects sleep in some way, since the historical account would have taken a few weeks at the VERY least. Not sure about the eating part, and that doesn't have much to do with the antidote since you could easily look into another pony's eyes while eating.

Jan 20th 2012 at 4:28:32 PM •••

An episode where a trio of grade-schoolers pair up their teacher and a family member? Where have we seen that before?

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Jan 20th 2012 at 7:25:26 PM •••

Go ahead and put it in the ep as Recycled Script. It's not the first time Faust has used PPG stuff in MLPFIM.

Jan 23rd 2012 at 5:12:45 AM •••

Too much prejudgement. It could be nothing like PPG episode. Especially since synopsis says "make them fall in love", not trying to match them...

Jan 23rd 2012 at 5:13:35 AM •••

It could be a "love potion" accident for all we know.

Jan 23rd 2012 at 7:55:56 AM •••

↑ If that's plausible, then that means more possible screentime for Zecora.

Edited by GoldenFootballPlayer
Feb 1st 2012 at 6:29:49 PM •••

Nice guess. Confirmed as of the screenshots.

Feb 8th 2012 at 7:02:28 PM •••

Episode was just leaked onto iTunes. Suggesting the page be locked to avoid spoilers.

Feb 8th 2012 at 7:20:28 PM •••

And I third the notion on the lock, let's not spoil the fun for the patient tropers.

Feb 8th 2012 at 7:32:25 PM •••

Well, let's just lock it until the after the episode airs, just in case.

Feb 8th 2012 at 8:51:03 PM •••

↑ Or warning people of spoilers works, too, I guess.

Feb 10th 2012 at 12:26:25 AM •••

I vote locking. It's only a couple days til the episode airs for real.

Feb 11th 2012 at 8:32:32 AM •••

Moot point at this point, at least.

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