Meh. It'll pass.
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My explanation on the ice freezing in the Traveling at the Speed of Plot was deleted without comment. I was trying to point out the lake could easily take longer than "a couple days at best" to freeze over depending on the conditions, and that it's therefor very hard to make assumptions over whether there would have been enough time for the rescue. I think this is a personally reasonable comment to make that's based in real science, and I'm not sure why it was deleted.
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Real science being a thing that turns on and turns off as and when the plot demands is precisely why it was deleted...In the previous episode, Jaime survived drowning despite wearing heavy plate armour and being submerged and rescued by Bronn after being underwater for some time.
Now using realistic ice-physics is a bit much to expect...and in either case this needs to have been mentioned within the episode for the main page. Otherwise it belongs on the sub-pages.
And in any case, if that did take a couple of days, you expect audiences to believe that a siege of 5 guys without food and water in the freezing cold somehow stayed alive in the same time period? That just raises too many other can of worms...
Emotional Torque is what the showrunners are going for this season.
Also a second bullet point below an entry is natter, often of the Justifying Edit variety and can be removed on policy, unless it's clearly valid and Repair Dont Respond triggers instead
Having said that, edit reasons are always a must IMO
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"Real science being a thing that turns on and turns off as and when the plot demands is precisely why it was deleted"
You criticize when it's turned off, not when it's turned on.
"In the previous episode, Jaime survived drowning despite wearing heavy plate armour and being submerged and rescued by Bronn after being underwater for some time."
See, this is the problem. There's no evidence that Jaime was underwater for that long. You're just making an unfounded assumption so you have an excuse to criticize. Its the same thing here, people assume the ice must have frozen over very quickly...
"And in any case, if that did take a couple of days, you expect audiences to believe that a siege of 5 guys without food and water in the freezing cold somehow stayed alive in the same time period?"
...Or assume they went beyond the wall for a potentially lengthy trip belong the wall without any provisions.
You guys are right about natter, and I apologize for that. But I fail to see how pointing out that Reality Is Unrealistic is a bad thing.
You are violating the principle of discussion by re-adding your entry before gaining consensus. The consensus right now is 2:1 against you. So I invite you to delete that edit you just made...
You criticize when it's turned off, not when it's turned on.
Nope. I criticize when a show fails to maintain verisimilitude
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- Reality Is Unrealistic: The Night King's choice to aim at the flying Viserion, rather than the nearer and stationary Drogon, does make more sense than it appears. For a javelin, range is not merely the function of distance to target, but also is dependant on whether the launcher (in this case the Night King's arm) can place said projectile on a trajectory where it can intercept the target. Drogon was on the ground, Viserion was flying at some altitude, and the Night King is standing on higher ground than the former. It would be easier for him to hit the distant Viserion with a parabolic arc than throwing at a down angle to hit Drogon. Viserion was also distracted, while Drogon and all those aboard could plainly see the Night King, making Viserion the easier target. Drogon was able to dodge the second shot, which he saw coming, and therefore might have dodged the first, too. Indeed we see this in real life with Air Defence enevlopes (http://www.ausairpower.net/XIMG/pgm0c-1.png) note that the lower the aircraft is, the less the effective range of the system.
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Even after being highly trimmed, it seems like a hard attempt to handwave the thing- To kill Viserion, NK needs some serious computerized telemetry / guidance (magic will do) to Lead the Target and intercept it, the other drac is a sitting duck, the leveled shot/just below at Drogon is not as hard as it's pictured to be, really even a regular human could do it, as has been seen with the Dothraki, Bronn, Ramsay-sue etc, not unlike the Romans throwing their pillums at close range. A fast lob will do. In the end, it's a 2D shot vs a spatial, 3D one
It also relies on speculation, how could Drogon dodge a center of mass shot while he's on the ground, stationary with people mounted on, with no momentum to tilt , wink, pitch or other kind of evasive maneuver like the one he makes in the air?
Come to think of it, as pointed out in one WMG subpage, one could say NK went for the more dangerous active foe to his army of wights at that moment, not for the easier shot, and that's beyond the trope.
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- Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?: The Night King brings down Viserion with a single spear throw.
I'm not sure it qualifies as an example simply due to being unexpected, given that the Night's King is a Humanoid Abomination in his own right. Does it really qualify as an example if the person who punches out Cthulhu is Nyarlathotep?
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Since the laconic description for Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu? is "A mortal character defeats a Physical God, Cosmic Entity, or Eldritch Abomination", I would agree that the Night King killing Viserion is not an example.
Yepper. Not an example. It's be The Worf Effect, I suppose, since it takes the established badass and gets him one-shotted to show that the Night's King is even more badass.
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The Night King is some kind of Godlike being and that's been established...so yeah I agree with Morgenthaler and Larkmarn...
There seems to be some confusion about the title. It was widely rumored to be "Death is the Enemy", and in fact a lot of service providers listed that as the title for the episode. I suggest creating some kind of redirect link so people searching for "Death is the Enemy" can find the episode.
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