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Oct 1st 2011 at 9:31:14 PM •••

Does anyone know the name of the song playing in the Confidential episode, over the bit where Craig busts out of the Cyberman armour? Vocals sound a bit like Florence And The Machine...

Oct 1st 2011 at 3:47:55 AM •••

Is it just me or was anyone else reminded of Vimes in Thud ("THAT! IS!! NOT!!! MY!!!! COW!!!!!" )?

Sep 26th 2011 at 4:44:05 PM •••

I'm extremely new to Doctor Who, having only watched the ones with Matt Smith, but can someone explain to me the whole part with the three kids playing basketball at the end, where the Doctor was wearing the cowboy hat, and you heard their thoughts, or whatever? I can't find anything about it on the main page...D:

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Sep 26th 2011 at 6:58:49 PM •••

That part honestly didn't make a whole lot of sense. Basically, if I understood it properly, River was reading the eyewitness account those three kids gave of The Doctor's last moments. The "thoughts" we were hearing were what they later wrote down.

Sep 27th 2011 at 6:14:12 PM •••

Really? Huh. Well, that's disappointing. I thought i'd be something more.

Sep 28th 2011 at 4:44:45 AM •••

I honestly thought for a moment it were Rose and Micky (and...? another girl? I don't know). They kinda reminded them, didn't they? Maybe it was a very short red herring?

Sep 28th 2011 at 12:52:00 PM •••

^Exactly! That's what I thought too!

Sep 29th 2011 at 1:31:31 AM •••

That wouldn't have made any sense at all...

Sep 29th 2011 at 11:05:38 AM •••

Yeah, but it's not like being well thought-out is Moffat's strong suite.

Oct 1st 2011 at 9:35:16 PM •••

Doesn't entirely make sense that River would have pictures of them as children, but it's plausible enough that she tracked down witnesses and spoke to them. The kids would have watched the TARDIS disappear shortly afterwards, so it's definitely something they would remember for the rest of their lives.

Is it fair to assume that River doesn't have access to time travel technology of her own at this point?

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Sep 26th 2011 at 12:37:46 PM •••

So I'm a little disappointed that they didn't go a bit darker with that episode. As soon as they brought in Alfie, I thought for sure they were going to bring up the idea that the cybermats were made from the brains of infants... a little too Nightmare Fuel, perhaps? Still, would have really added something to Craig's big moment...

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Sep 26th 2011 at 1:36:34 PM •••

Uh, definitely too gruesome for a saturday evening family show methinks :P

Sep 26th 2011 at 3:39:15 PM •••

That's a pretty good idea, story wise...but incredibly dark. Especially for, as Carnivac said, a family show. ;)

Sep 27th 2011 at 7:07:18 AM •••

It was a breather episode. The last three episodes were all dark/upsetting, before that was the River storyline, which is hardly sweetness and light, and before that were the gangers... they most likely decided there should be a bit of a break before the big dramatic finale.

Sep 27th 2011 at 7:12:40 AM •••

And it still had inevitable darkness with the Doctor being so very tired and the return of the Silence.

Oct 1st 2011 at 9:36:44 PM •••

It's basically a rule that kids can't die on this show.

Sep 26th 2011 at 4:25:56 AM •••

The sound the Sonic Screwdriver makes when firing the green laser at the Cybermat is the sound that was an 'easter egg' effect on the toy Sonic Screwdriver by pressing the button a couple times then holding it down. Just thought that was a neat touch. I don't recall ever hearing it in the show before now and wondered what it could be for.

Sep 26th 2011 at 2:41:22 AM •••

Um... didn't the Doctor who got killed in the first episode said he was eleven hundred years old? But isn't the doctor in this episode still around nine hundred? And if "tomorrow" is the day he dies... how does that works? Or am I missing something, did he got two hundred years older at some point during the season? Did two hundred years passed for him between the previous episode and this one? Or is it all going to be explained in the next episode? Moffat, you're driving me crazy! And I love it.

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Sep 26th 2011 at 4:24:21 AM •••

Anytime he's seperated from Amy and Rory for a long while could be any number of years such as before he picks them up again in Let's Kill Hitler or before the events of this episode. Sure gives a big gap where possible stories of the Eleventh Doctor having other companions can be made later on and inserted here much as they do with audio stories of classic Doctors having previously never before mentioned companions.

Sep 26th 2011 at 11:56:43 PM •••

I'm personally convinced that the 200 years or so occurred during the summer break, and is marked by the acquisition of the Doctors new coat.

Sep 27th 2011 at 7:03:10 AM •••

According to Wikipedia's page on this episode it's been over two hundred years (for the Doctor) since the last episode. I don't know how correct that is, but it's kind of sad if it's right.

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Sep 25th 2011 at 3:16:17 PM •••

Wait, the Doctor has no reason to go there. Am I missing something I should know, does he have a cunning plan, or has he gotten suicidal for some reason? And remember the old man from the first episode? I don't recall him being mentioned since.

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Sep 25th 2011 at 8:57:32 PM •••

He's getting tired of living. (or at least, that's what they're making it look like)

Jan 16th 2014 at 1:17:13 AM •••

He was in the 2nd episode too, then grew old, and received a letter.... what's the confusing part about him?

Sep 24th 2011 at 3:58:41 PM •••

My GOD! The Astronaut was River Song all alon-oh, wait, we already knew that. Not a very big reveal, truth be told. Almost disappointing, I admit. Who else was expecting it to happen the way it did? Please raise your hands.

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Sep 24th 2011 at 9:46:08 PM •••

Figured River was the astronaut ever since the astronaut's first scene in "The Impossible Astronaut," when she shoots it, fails to kill it and knowingly mutters "No, of course not." Kind of The Un Twist there. I didn't predict the way it happened, as I try to think of River Song as little as possible.

Sep 25th 2011 at 1:54:36 AM •••

It wasn't much of a Reveal, really, remember how 'Let's Kill Hitler' had that character that hunted her down for killing The Doctor?

Sep 25th 2011 at 3:41:00 AM •••

The suspect pool has always been pretty small, and we've known since "Let's Kill Hitler" that the Silence and Madame Kovarian are using River as their personal Doctor assassin. What's interesting isn't *who* the astronaut is, it's the final bridge between the end of Closing Time and the start of Impossible Astronaut, and how this whole situation will resolve. Besides, like with the "A Good Man Goes To War" cliffhanger, the fact that they're giving us the reveal at the end of 6x12 indicates that there's much more to the story — possibly even an entirely different outcome — than we think.

Sep 25th 2011 at 12:55:28 PM •••

It could equally have been the Doctor, given the similarities between Eleven's conversation with the astronaut and Four's conversation with the Watcher in Logopolis. Could still be - remember who entered and who left the Pandorica.

Sep 26th 2011 at 5:37:52 AM •••

I for one didn't see it coming at all, but that's because all along we've been lead to believe that it's Young River in the space suit, not older River! And now I can't wait for the finale, as Bronzethumb noted, "the fact that they're giving us the reveal at the end of 6x12 indicates that there's much to the story - possibly an entirely different outcome - than we think" And I for one can't wait to see it!!! I am so excited!!! :D

Sep 28th 2011 at 4:47:29 AM •••

OK, that makes much more sense than River trying to kill the Doctor after Melody already did it as a child... But does that mean it's ending? no more Doctor Who? that'll be really hard to accept for me :(

Sep 28th 2011 at 5:26:54 AM •••

Of course it's not ending! The Doctor will either change time, trick out time, or simply death will not be The End (ala the Master).

Besides, the Christmas episode casting and theme has already been announced!

Jan 16th 2014 at 1:18:19 AM •••

"I for one didn't see it coming at all, but that's because all along we've been lead to believe that it's Young River in the space suit, not older River! "

That was a pretty good twist even though it never made any sense it had to be River at all. There's nothing special about her, any idiot in the suit could have pulled the trigger...

Jan 16th 2014 at 5:32:11 AM •••

^ Technically true, but making it hot Time Lord on Time Lord action made it far more likely for it to become a fixed point in time, thus drastically decreasing the odds that the Doctor could do some timey-wimey stuff and save himself.

Jan 16th 2014 at 9:51:29 AM •••

River is part Timelord, or at least part Timelord-ish.

Jan 16th 2014 at 1:56:58 PM •••

^^ Making the killer a Time Lord (or the closest they could approximate) increases the odds that the Doctor's death be a fixed point in time, that cannot be undone. It's really quite Dangerously Genre Savvy; if it weren't a fixed point in time, then the Doctor would've found a way to Take a Third Option (as he always does) and undo it. This way he can't do that without, you know, destroying time.

Jan 26th 2014 at 10:27:38 PM •••

"^ Technically true, but making it hot Time Lord on Time Lord action made it far more likely for it to become a fixed point in time, thus drastically decreasing the odds that the Doctor could do some timey-wimey stuff and save himself. "

Thank you Larkman you just plugged up what felt like a huge plot hole to me - felt like River's superpower was being the only person to invoke Why Don't You Just Shoot Him? until I read that.

Sep 24th 2011 at 2:51:58 PM •••

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