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Jul 13th 2013 at 1:09:12 PM •••

Mr Death, you're the one who should check the trope description. It says nothing about "hiding the material", which is pretty much the summary of your argument. What it says is this:
"Sometimes you notice something that is so shockingly, inappropriately out of place, you're left wondering "How did they get away with that?" Surely, someone be it a producer, an oversight board or other Radar Systems would have said "You've crossed the line!" Getting Crap Past the Radar refers to instances when a writer, artist or other creator place inappropriate content inside their material that that it is shocking not only to the Media Watchdogs and Moral Guardians, but to everyone else. Often, what makes it shocking is not the specific content, but that it is out of keeping with its context. As such, most examples are found in materials aimed at children or shows alleging to be family-friendly (i.e., G or PG-rated)."
While the show never shyed away from showing killing, it mostly did keep to Bloodless Carnage. So these two instances are breaking from the context, by their sheer brutality, so they're instances of Getting Crap Past the Radar. If you don't respond, or can't rebuff my argument, I'll readd the example.

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Jul 13th 2013 at 10:26:13 PM •••

The origin and purpose of the trope has always been the writers sneaking in content under the radar—not putting things front and center in obvious ways. The trope is, and always has been, about sneaking in content.

The Clone Wars has big obvious warnings that this kind of content is going to be in it. It comes back from commercials outright saying that mature stuff is about to go down. That's not getting crap past the radar. That's just the show showing mature content.

To be Getting Crap Past the Radar, there has to be that element of them getting things on the show that were somehow missed by the censors or otherwise are things that serve to imply things that otherwise would not be allowed to be in the show at all. Death happening right on-screen in an obvious way after the content warning by the network outright tells people, "Look, people are gonna die," isn't this trope anymore than someone getting killed in a movie would be.

The Clone Wars has always been very, very obvious about killing people on screen. There isn't much of a "radar" to get past. The key to Getting Crap Past the Radar is that the things are something implied, or otherwise slipped past the censors—something that's clearly shown on-screen just does not count.

Jul 14th 2013 at 12:39:55 AM •••

The problem with this argument is that, this example is not about the murder itself, but about it's brutality. Yes, TCW was always obvious about killing, even I admitted it. But it was always Bloodless Carnage, to keep it as toned down as possible. In fact from the same arc, the decapitated corpses of the Black Sun leaders and Vizsla's head were cut for this very reason. So the show did have a radar. It put the bar higher than for most shows, but it was there. So anything of similar brutality to those scenes, that were left in can be considered getting crap past it.
If you insist to the "sneaking it in" part -which is not in the current description- at least the blood drenched tunic still counts, because it was shown so briefly, that it borders on Freeze-Frame Bonus.

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Jul 16th 2013 at 12:25:57 PM •••

The sneaking it in part has always been part of the trope—hell, it's in the name, and it used to be part of the longer description that delineated all the things Getting Crap Past the Radar didn't.

The show does have a radar, but it's clearly permitting mature things through the rating—the crap isn't sneaking in, it's checking in at the front desk, giving its ID card to the guard, and being knowingly allowed in. The idea behind the trope was that it was things that had to be implied because showing or stating them would not be allowed to go to air—and in this case, it's just blatantly showing the results of actions on screen.

Jul 16th 2013 at 1:16:20 PM •••

The show almost always kept to Bloodless Carnage. Regardless of how much killing went on, they never showed blood and gore, except in these two scenes and when Riff Tamson was blowing up some guys and he himself was blown up. The avoidance of blood was precisely to keep the show safe from the censors, so any deviation upwards on the brutality scale is getting crap past the censors. Again, it's not scenes of the killing and the cutting of the arm, themselves that got past the radar. That as you said it "just the show being mature". It's the blood, and the visible cut end of the wound, with the bone in the middle. And since both were shown very briefly, they even fulfill the "sneaked in" criteria you insist to -which I assume was removed from the description for a reason, and tus no longer a criteria.

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Jul 18th 2013 at 8:07:19 AM •••

"When creators make no attempt to hide the material and might as well be wearing a sandwich board with those Christmas lights that play "Jingle Bells" on it that reads, "Inappropriate content here!" you have a case of Refuge in Audacity (and if it's done excessively, then it Crosses the Line Twice)."

I think this line is relevant—there is no attempt to "hide" something that's being shown directly on the screen, ergo it's not this trope. Even if it's being shown briefly, it's still clear what it is and shown directly.

I just checked the TRS thread about this page that led to its current description. If you check the page history, "sneak in" was specifically in the trope description when it was rewritten. It was only removed later, without an edit reason, by someone who appears to have not been part of that discussion. So the fact it does not currently say sneak in is, as far as I can tell, a mistake on someone's part, and not what the TRS thread agreed on, so I'm going to put that back.

Jul 18th 2013 at 8:45:37 AM •••

Okay, so it's relevant, my bad. However I still don't get how's the blood drenched tunic, that's shown in a way, that it's very easy to miss, does not count as "sneaked in". Especaily in case of a show, that previously always censored blood?

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Jul 18th 2013 at 9:57:16 AM •••

How has it censored blood before? I just feel like if it's shown on screen, even briefly, it should count as something else.

I won't take it off again if you want to add it, but I feel like maybe it's a better example of What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? than this.

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