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Where's Korra? I can't see her portfolio in any of the sub-houses.
I've been thinking of something…I don't know too much of Ma-Ti's power, but I think his "High Priestess" Will has more power than him, perhaps Lesser Goddess power. I think both of them should be Co-Gods.
Oh wait. While Will does represent Heart among the guardians, her power is more of Pure Energy. Still, I think they should share positions.
Ma-Ti and Wilhelmina "Will" Vandom, Co-Gods of Heart
It has been discussed that Ma-Ti should get Heart Is an Awesome Power and that What Kind of Lame Power Is Heart, Anyway? should go to Kazari Uiharu. Also, we are currently looking down on dual gods. Just FYI.
Oh. Sorry. It's just…is there a God/dess representing the concept of the "collection" of Five Elements (which consists of the western four plus one other) or Element Number Five?
E Lement Number Five is taken, but the first thing you mentioned seem sto be free.
Honestly, i'd suggest finding a trope that represents Quintessence (not sure what that would be) and seeing whether that has a god for it yet.
EDIT - Also, I checked, and unless I missed something, I don't think there's are god or goddess for Pure Energy (you might want to check that though, in case there actually is and I've just missed them). If Will was to take that position though, i'd suggest mentioning Zenith as a heightened form (higher deity rank, possibly, whilst in it), since her Zenith form basically is a literal embodiment of pure energy, which is part of my suggestion for her taking up the position.
EDIT 2 - Actually, i'm going to write that up just in case there is actually a free slot.
Just piping for a request to add a member to the nature pantheeooooon. Perhaps the Seven Dwarfelles to take a Lesser God/Demigod position of Magical Underpinningsof Reality, you know, from the Happily Everafter movie. Now it's kind of a rather odd request considering these characters are from a low budget movie trying to sequel off of the Disney's Snow White movie, and not to mention they're quite The Load for the majority of the film. However they do redeem themselves at the end in Mother Nature's eyes, keep their jobs, and have soooomewhat grown in character. And considering there isn't a position filled for this particular trope yet, thought i'd give it a shot on requesting. Oughta hear the opinions from other tropers though, whutcha guys think?
Looking over the opposite coin however, they may be good Disgrace fodder considering their Load...ness, was stretched out for the majority of the film, and really they didn't do much to contribute other than shine a little light and have their powers muted in the Relm of Doom. Only one who did anything was Thunderella. But again, opinions opinions~
I postulate that Cygnus Hyoga should get a higher place at the Nature Pantheon. The guy destroyed the Eternal Wall of Ice at the start of the series, much before he was able to reach the 7th Sense. By the finale, not only he was able to reach Absolute Zero, but also was strong enough to kill a GOD and, in Omega, he Curb-Stomped a man who could control time and make himself immortal. You people are giving too little credit to him.
In... what level? Greater God? Intermediate God? Well... the best I can offer is Intermediate, because usually rank means about Influence. Seeing that in series, he's not immortal or something, probably he can't be a Greater God seeing that there ARE godly beings over there (such as Athena). However, his power, on the other hand, can be noted that if he wants... he'll be able to lay smackdown to any Greater Gods. Because that's what Saints do.
And if Hyoga should get a rank up, so should Shun (in Weapons house) and Ikki (in Life and Death house).
Hey, I wanted to nominate Chomper from the Land Before Time to the nature pantheon. Would this work?
Chomper, God of Species Redemption and Nurture Trumping Nature
Maybe I need to shrink the picture size? Or maybe this would be better in a different house? Please, give your opinions.
I would like to add Flora from Winx Club to the house of Nature.
Can you elaborate a little? What position are you suggesting?
Petition to add Jack Frost (Rise of the Guardians) or Queen Elsa (Disney's Frozen), or both, as God of Ice/Snow? I couldn't find any Snow or Ice gods, only some bits and pieces under Storm, so... is this a reasonable idea? We could even go with the canon "Winter" thing for Jack and "Snow Queen" for Elsa, so that it's Season and Element, rather than having their realms be essentially the same thing. Any suggestions or complaints?
Uh, we already have Cygnus Hyuga for that.
...Why the h*ll didn't that come up when I did a ctrl+F for ice? I went through the entire article and—
My apologies. Apparently, either I or my computer messed up.
(Remember not to start with "Um," or "Uh," though. It makes you sound a little snobby.)
Come to think of it, though, does the Nature House HAVE any Gods of Seasons? I couldn't find any (though after this recent accident, I wouldn't trust myself).
Doesn't seem like there is any. Then again, are there any seasonal tropes to really apply (I have been thinking removing Namuzan since his position isn't even a trope)?
I checked the Namazu entry (I think that's what you were referring to, because it was the closest thing I could find to "Namuzan"), and I don't quite understand what it particularly is that he's representing.
(Also, if you don't mind me asking, how powerful are Cygnus' ice powers? I tried to look it up to see how much of his character could be wrapped up in the Pantheon listing because I haven't seen Saint Seiya, but I couldn't get an accurate read on them.)
Installing Gods for the individual seasons would be a bit problematic due to not having any really representations for Spring, Summer, or Fall that I know of. Should I go ahead with the God of Winter thing, or just give up on getting Jack installed in the Nature Pantheon (no promise on others)?
He is ment to resepent natural disasters (mainly earthquakes) but really, I am not even sure why he was added in the first place (he is just a dream after Meiling though that a shadowly figure in the sky was some disaster god). I am a Touhou fan (which is why I suggest Lily White from it as the Avatar of Spring if we are going that route) but not even I can defent him.
Alright. I think it would make sense to remove Namazu, then, if he's just a dream character that's ill-defined as a god. I'm not sure whether we're supposed to send him somewhere (the Fallen? Purgatory?), but taking him off the list seems like a good plan.
You have an idea for a Goddess of Spring? Well, if we have two of the four already (others can come up with Gods for the other Seasons, I guess?), then we can probably install Seasonal Gods.
(I also saw that you were the one inquiring about removing Amaterasu as Goddess of the Moon. I answered that, but I guess that went unnoticed?)
I would remove him outright. But then again, I am not sure how does everythinggo when it comes to removing gods. That is bit of a problem with thediscussion pages of specific houses. There are only few who actually visit them (that would be reason why the God of Moon topic was ignored). Its rather irritating.
Given how little expansion he has, and the fact that we have suitable grounds to claim that he isn't deserving of godhood (or whatever), I don't think many people would protest if you simply removed him.
So, should we switch out Amaterasu for Tsar Lunar? Or some other Moon-related character, like the Moon from Soul Eater, or the Sage of the Six Paths from Naruto? I... can't really think of any more than those three examples.
Okay, I removed him.
And I don't really have good idea. I mean, if Tsar Lunar can control the moon, yeah, he would be good enough to replace her on that part.
It's not so much that he controls the moon as it is that he is heavily associated with it (he's Rise of the Guardian's "Man in the Moon"), lives on it, can see everything the moonlight touches (due to numerous telescopes of his on the moon's surfaces, as mentioned in the books), and may possibly draw power from it.
You people think we should maybe give the title of God of the Moon to some one else? Amaterasu in mythology was only the goddess of the sun and Amaterasu in Ōkami didn't even have the power to control the moon before meeting up with Yumigami.
Er... Tsar Lunar (the Man in the Moon)? Rise of the Guardians is pretty popular, so it would be a relatively well-understood.
Cole MacGrath, God of Extremely Multi-Purpose Electricity (The Devil, Electric Man, The Patron Saint of New Marias, The Demon of Empire City, Kessler)
Just wanna double check here and make sure everything's ok.
I like it! Well organized, lots of trivia. Good stuff!
Oh, one thing. Could you add in Azula (avatar) as an enemy? As a lightning/electricity wielder herself, I think a match between the two would be...interesting. Especially considering Cole's good/bad issues and Azula's manipulative tendencies.
However, Azula is squarely on The Fallen.
Maybe it's time to add in Gaara
Gaara, Good God of Sand (Gaara of the Sand, Gaara of the Sand Waterfall, Fifth Kazekage)
... Dune, damn it. Gaara waas known to plan over his 'takeover' or 'be the Good Counterpart' for Dune. Where's that?
Well I added him in. Now can I add him.
To be honest, I think Crocodile would make a better sand god compared to Gaara, just on the fact that he doesn't have Gaara's limitations.
How come we have two gods of fire and two gods of water? I don't see a real difference between the abilities as listed. (Hydrokinesis is just trying to be clever)
As the guy who created the Percy Jackson, God of Hyrdokinesis post, I can say that I created it after seeing a complaint that Aquaman didn't really have water powers, per se, and giving it some thought. Here's my reasoning behind it.
-Aquaman is the God of Water in that Water is His domain. He is the Lord of all that lives within the seas, even if (like Davy Jones) they don't acknowledge His Lordship. We're taking control over legendary beasts who are normally defined by being uncontrollable, such as the Kraken and the Leviathan. He is also supremely empowered by water and water has no ill effects upon him. Thus, he is the Supreme God of Water. However, except for one small incarnation that only lasted a short period, he has never had any real 'control' over the element of water itself.
-Percy Jackson, on the other hand, was chosen as God of Hydrokinesis because in addition to limited command of sea life (normal sea life treats him like their master, and as a son of the Sea God Poseidon, he technically is. Monstrous sea life, however, is a different matter,) he has a supreme control of the element of Water itself. That is, he can control water in a variety of ways with his sheer force of will can do incredible things. Examples include stopping the tides, creating a personal hurricane around himself, and causing enough steam to pressurize within Mt. St. Helens that it caused a massive eruption that blanketed much of Western America.
Hope this explains the Water thing a bit. As to the fire...yeah, no idea.
The only explanation I had about the Fire one is that Yamamoto is pretty much Deader Than Dead in the Bleach-verse. I dunno about Toriko, but... this is more about replacement stuffs. I am not sure if there are better candidates than Starjun, but I'm both fine with him, and also fine if anyone thinks there's a better replacement.
So far, it's pretty fine. Hell in the House of Beasts, both Bloodhoof Taurens are still there, despite Baine being the current God and Cairne the former God (who died).
Hmmm... I'd like to propose one thing here. Since we haven't gotten a Four-Element Ensemble representatitve, I was considering in giving the title to... The Elemental Lords/Masou Kishin Heralds, Masaki Andoh, Huang Yang Long, Tyutti Noorbuck and Mio Sasuga. Yes, this means pulling Masaki out of the Otherness house (and it was unfitting for him anyway), and the fact that the Masou Kishin sub-series have been getting their stories continued and the third game has one-time become Japan's top-selling game (which is considerably well since they're not Alpha/Z Original Generation guys), and add up the fact that all four have access to Possession, which shoots their power level to basically Godlike level amongst SRW standards... I think they deserve a place here.
However, aside of publication problems... there's some problems, we also have Aang, who also had the portfolio of Elemental Power and he is one person taking all of them at once. How do we differentiate Aang and the Heralds this way?
Let's hear your thoughts if the Masou Kishin deserve to be in the Pantheon or not, before I start up a portfolio.
Why not create a post for the four of them, listing them as the 'Elemental Lord' and then their respective elements, thus signifying that they are part of a particular class of Elementals? So, rather than listing them as 'God of', list them as 'Elemental Lord of' and their element.
Aang...ehhh. I dunno. I feel that he's less of an Avatar of the Elements and more of an Avatar of the World itself. I even think that's explicitly stated somewhere in the Avatar Series. It's also been shown that, sans the Avatar State, certain masters of their Elements can out power Aang in that specific Element. I.E. If Iroh were to battle Aang in an Agni Kai with Aang just using firebending and no Avatar State, Iroh would likely win.
Just some food for thought :)
Four-Element Ensemble isn't like that though, it's what happens when the four elements were working together in an ensemble instead of solo.
It is not necessary to add Main/ to trope names.
I must ask, Why is Zorc even the God Of Darkness, really?
I honestly don't see why he's even in the pantheon either, to be honest, as no one has done anything with his character here, editing wise, and his abridged series personality makes him hard to take seriously.
I'd say Badlez/ The second Dark King fits it better.
There is a bit of wrongness in what Zorc encompasses. Darkness here refers to The Dark Side, not actual 'attacking things with Dark element'. We need to clear this thing up, whether one of those tropes already got a God for it or not.
Is there a god of Casting a Shadow?
If not, I'll make one fore Baldez:
Baldez, God of Casting a Shadow and Darkness ( The Dark King)
Well I'll fix some typos and such. But I believe that it'll be beneficial if you can add more than just 3 portfolios.
Oh well, fixings included.
I think that Dune should be added as the evil god of the desert.
Dune, Evil God Of Deserts (King of the desert)
If any one doesn't object, I'll add him here and at the demonic legion as well.
There should be the respective reactions from two Cures that's in the Pantheon (Tsubomi and Yuri). Also, there's also need a mention of the process of how he kinda achieved that: Heart Flowers and turning people into Desertrians based on their problems.
I myself probably couldn't figure out how they would react. I'm sure you could probably come up with seemthing for both. I put him in in on the page and someone could do that for me.
Should we make an own for lava/magma, or is that incorporated in fire? If we do, I suggest Akainu/Sakazuki for the position.
Just a question, would Toph's Earth title cover sand as well? I know she demonstrated sand-bending a little towards the end of the series, but I'm wondering if it should go to someone more experienced in it. There's at least three names that come to mind right away.
List those three names?
Sir Crocodile, Gaara of the Sand, and Flint Marko.
Was thinking to add Ororo Munroe AKA Storm. As obviously the Goddess for Weather. However...
I just noticed that in canon, Thor probably held that place in a bigger capacity than Storm. So does Storm deserve to be in this Pantheon with Weather (while Thor retains Thunder), or should Thor expand into the whole weather business?
Gods are not necessarily chosen by power, they should be iconic. Thor may control all kinds of weather, but he is really known for his thunder, while Storm is really known for controlling and creating any kind of weather. I'd say go with Storm as Goddess of Weather.
Very well. I'll give it a go.
Where's Swamp Thing? Shouldn't he have a place too?
Got any suggestions for what he would be the god of? I don't know much about him, so I am just making a general comment.
He could replace Swampert... I have no idea which of them is more focused for the position for "Swamps and Marshes" (note that it links to Bubblegloop Swamp )
In either case, the other one should probably be added to the god's followers or allies.
Now that Kid Icarus: Uprising has come out, how about we add some characters from the game, like Viridi as the Goddess of all living things?
I was thinking of Goddess of Nature's Brutality, since she tried to kill all the humans, and Pit called her the Goddess of Brutality at one point.
I guess I'll go ahead and make a prototype entry, though I don't know how well it will come out.
Viridi, Goddess of Natures Brutality (Goddess of Nature and Mother to All Living Things)
Now all I have to do is embed hyperlinks and find a good place to put spoiler tags.
Edit: Oh right, just say if anything should be added or changed, but I doubt I need to say that.
This looks like a good start,
Not that I'm really a huge fan of hers, but is there a reason Elmyra was deleted?
Elmyra is a scrappy as well as the fact that she's been annoying to every animal, so she's to be sent to the disgraces.
We could say Fluttershy snapping at her had something to do with it, lol.
No. The Court of the gods are going to deal with her.
She's infamous for being one of the arch-scrappies of Western Animation. It takes something truly special to be hated in not one but two fandoms. Then there's also the fact that she single-handedly caused PinkyAndTheBrain (one of the greatest cartoons of the mid 90s, even being aired PRIME TIME at its peak) to get cancelled within 5 episodes of her being shoe horned in.
BTW, her punishment is ironic, karmic, and full of Nightmare Fuel, hur hur.
I can't believe it took that long for her to finally be thrown into the Disgraces.
Personally, I'm kind of skeptical about Aquaman being the God of Water. Maybe he could be the God of Aquatic Life or even the ocean, but wouldn't someone who actually has control over the element itself be more suitable?
Aquaman does have control over the element through water sorcery.
So, while Aquaman is in fact the God of Water, being one of the few truly iconic characters to fit the role, I added Percy Jackson as the God of Hydrokinesis (the manipulation of water,) as Auqaman doesn't actually have that particular ability. His wife Mera does, but I think that Percy tends to use it in a wider variety of ways, and can even summon water if there is none in his immediate surroundings.
We seem to have duplicate representation of two tropes here in this house.
1. Light Is Not Good. By the Light of Destruction and Mithos.
2. Dark Is Not Evil. By Midna and Riku.
Which one stays and which one goes?
I added Riku and the Light, I'll take them out, I hadn't noticed the other two. Sorry.
No problem. I do however suspect that their posistion in the House of Otherness might have been a cause for all of this.
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